Re: lack of sleep/joint deterioration

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My sleep disorder started in 1997, when my mother died. I didn't sleep for weeks. I thought it would go away on its own, but it didn't. My doctor told me trauma can take away your ability to sleep. Your body learns that new behavior and "forgets" how to sleep. We both suffer from anxiety, and I'm sure it's connected. When my doctor convinced me to take sleeping pills, he was every bit as concerned about my arthritis as he was about my mental well being. When I don't get enough rest, I hurt. Lindy, if you renter the workplace, you might find you will function with much more clarity and physical energy if you are rested. During the work week, that's my mission: work, land or water physical therapy and a good night's rest. Boring -- but what I need to do right now. When my knees are healed, I'll increase the intensity of my workouts and hope that improves my

sleep. I Donna lindy <everyothername.istaken@...> wrote: donna, i noticed you said you have a sleep disorder. so do i. i've had it all my life, even as a baby. i went all through school never sleeping more than a couple hours per night. then when i entered the work world, same thing. i would get so totally burned out it was horrible, and it's why i always

missed so much work and could never hold any one job for long, because i would either quit out of disgust for myself for having missed so much (thinking, okay i'll get a new job, start over and THIS time, i won't miss any days) or, in a few cases, was fired due to missing so much work. i'm wondering what if any effect lack of proper sleep over the course of a lifetime can have on someone's joints -- perhaps make them deteriorate quicker, since proper sleep is necessary for our bodies -- it's when our body repair itself. just wondering. lindy lou I have a sleep disorder anyway. Donna

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My sleep disorder started in 1997, when my mother died. I didn't sleep for weeks. I thought it would go away on its own, but it didn't. My doctor told me trauma can take away your ability to sleep. Your body learns that new behavior and "forgets" how to sleep. We both suffer from anxiety, and I'm sure it's connected. When my doctor convinced me to take sleeping pills, he was every bit as concerned about my arthritis as he was about my mental well being. When I don't get enough rest, I hurt. There is obviously more inflammation, so my uneducated guess would be yes, that would cause more deterioration. Lindy, if you renter the workplace, you might find you will function with much more clarity and physical energy if you are rested. During the work week, that's my mission: work, land or water physical therapy and a good night's rest. Booooring -- but what I need to do right

now. When my knees are healed, I'll increase the intensity of my workouts and hope that improves my sleep. I have a new career for you, Lindy. After your surgery, you can become a joint replacement consultant or counselor. You have great empathy for others and no one I know is as well researched and prepared as you for surgery. You've asked every question and then some that would never have occurred to me. You go, girl! Donna lindy <everyothername.istaken@...> wrote: donna, i noticed you said you have a sleep disorder. so do i. i've had it all my life, even as a baby. i went all through school never sleeping more than a couple hours per night. then when i entered the work world, same thing. i would get so totally burned out it was horrible, and it's why i always missed so much work and could never hold any one job for long, because i would either quit out of disgust for myself for having missed so much (thinking, okay i'll get a new job, start over and THIS time, i won't miss any days) or, in a few cases, was fired due to missing so much work. i'm wondering what if any effect lack of proper sleep over the course of a lifetime can have on someone's joints -- perhaps make them deteriorate quicker, since proper sleep is necessary for our

bodies -- it's when our body repair itself. just wondering. lindy lou I have a sleep disorder anyway. Donna

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Hi Donna, That was nice what you said about Lindy but you helped people also :-) I have a hard time sleeping also but its my feet and my legs and the one hip I had replace and shouldn't have I think it bothers me because after my Dr did the Hip replacement he said my Hip bone wasn't that bad and he knew I didn't want my Hip replace I let him talked me into it I didn't know about this group I didn't know anyone to talked too whats funny my Dr never said that much about my knee replacement . Well I'm glad I have this group to talked to .I take two Tylenol PM before I go to bed they help me :-) I lost my Mom when I was 26 and I'm 63 and I still miss my Mom :-( Well you take care and have a nice day:-) Susie Donna Hart <ohdonna_68@...> wrote: My sleep disorder started in 1997, when my mother died. I didn't

sleep for weeks. I thought it would go away on its own, but it didn't. My doctor told me trauma can take away your ability to sleep. Your body learns that new behavior and "forgets" how to sleep. We both suffer from anxiety, and I'm sure it's connected. When my doctor convinced me to take sleeping pills, he was every bit as concerned about my arthritis as he was about my mental well being. When I don't get enough rest, I hurt. There is obviously more inflammation, so my uneducated guess would be yes, that would cause more deterioration. Lindy, if you renter the workplace, you might find you will function with much more clarity and physical energy if you are rested. During the work week, that's my mission: work, land or water physical therapy and a good night's rest. Booooring -- but what I need to do right now. When my knees are healed, I'll increase the intensity of my

workouts and hope that improves my sleep. I have a new career for you, Lindy. After your surgery, you can become a joint replacement consultant or counselor. You have great empathy for others and no one I know is as well researched and prepared as you for surgery. You've asked every question and then some that would never have occurred to me. You go, girl! Donna lindy <everyothername.istakencenturytel (DOT) net> wrote: donna, i noticed you said you have a sleep disorder. so do i. i've had it all my life, even as a baby. i went all through school never sleeping more than a couple hours per night. then when i entered the work world, same thing. i would get so totally burned

out it was horrible, and it's why i always missed so much work and could never hold any one job for long, because i would either quit out of disgust for myself for having missed so much (thinking, okay i'll get a new job, start over and THIS time, i won't miss any days) or, in a few cases, was fired due to missing so much work. i'm wondering what if any effect lack of proper sleep over the course of a lifetime can have on someone's joints -- perhaps make them deteriorate quicker, since proper sleep is necessary for our bodies -- it's when our body repair itself. just wondering. lindy lou I have a sleep disorder anyway. Donna Cheap Talk? Check out Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates.

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Donna,

I'm sorry after your mother passed on you had so much trouble sleeping. That is a traumatic time, the death of a loved one. My mom passed on Sept. 05 and I flew down to Toledo for her funeral. I got through everything alright, but when I returned I fell a part -- from flying -- walking through the airports -- didn't think to ask for help -- standing all day at the funeral home, being "up" (emotionally -- for everyone else), I just fell a part. Then my husband's brother drowned, my husband crashed his 99 Corvette, totalled it -- came out with only a scratch on his face, and at the time, we were separated. All this happened just after I returned from Toledo. When he got into the wreck, I felt sorry for him and told him to come on home. But you know what -- something happened to him then, because he's changed, really changed. Sometimes it takes tragic things to change a person . . .

Me too, when I don't sleep well, I always hurt so much worse. I can always tell the quality of my sleep by how I feel when I wake up each morning.

When I worked, I never slept well during the week, but on Friday's I would crash. I'd be so exhausted by then, I'd come home from work, grab something to eat, sit down to watch TV and fall a sleep in my recliner and I'd either wake up and go to bed or stay there all night and then I'd have to sleep most the day on Saturday to try to catch up. Then Sunday got up early for church -- sang in the choir at the early service. On Monday the whole cycle would start all over. Sometimes I think my lack of sleep is pychological to an extent because when I know I have to wake up early, forget sleep, I just can't sleep. However, I'm sure when I was a baby and didn't sleep, I had no clue, or maybe I did, that I'd have to wake up soon to eat. LOL

Donna, you say the sweetest things. I never thought of being a joint replacement consultant, but it sounds like it'd sure be interesting. Years ago I began college with the intentions of becoming a counselor, but then dropped out and went to school to become a Travel Agent. ;-)

Hugs,

LindyLou

My sleep disorder started in 1997, when my mother died. I didn't sleep for weeks. I thought it would go away on its own, but it didn't. My doctor told me trauma can take away your ability to sleep. Your body learns that new behavior and "forgets" how to sleep.

We both suffer from anxiety, and I'm sure it's connected.

When my doctor convinced me to take sleeping pills, he was every bit as concerned about my arthritis as he was about my mental well being. When I don't get enough rest, I hurt. There is obviously more inflammation, so my uneducated guess would be yes, that would cause more deterioration.

Lindy, if you renter the workplace, you might find you will function with much more clarity and physical energy if you are rested. During the work week, that's my mission: work, land or water physical therapy and a good night's rest. Booooring -- but what I need to do right now. When my knees are healed, I'll increase the intensity of my workouts and hope that improves my sleep.

I have a new career for you, Lindy. After your surgery, you can become a joint replacement consultant or counselor. You have great empathy for others and no one I know is as well researched and prepared as you for surgery. You've asked every question and then some that would never have occurred to me. You go, girl!

Donna

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Hi LindyLou,

Boy this seems to be the year for tragedy. I lost my Father in

February and my mother in March. I guess they couldn't live without

each other. What made it worse is that I had to act as executor of

the estate through my surgery preparation and even from the hospital

afterwards. You are right, it is very stressful and does cause some

sleep loss. However, in all fairness, I think most of my sleep loss

since surgery is due to my not being able to lay comfortably on my

side which is my favorite position.

I've also noticed that my back is giving me some trouble, I guess it's

the way I'm walking after my double TKR. How are you doing progress

wise? I'm back to 110 degrees flex after some busy days and a missed

day of exercise at home. I was a bad boy. Condolences on everybody's

losses I know they are all in a better place.

Best Regards,

Alan B.

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> Donna,

> I'm sorry after your mother passed on you had so much trouble

sleeping. That is a traumatic time, the death of a loved one. My mom

passed on Sept. 05 and I flew down to Toledo for her funeral. I got

through everything alright, but when I returned I fell a part -- from

flying -- walking through the airports -- didn't think to ask for help

-- standing all day at the funeral home, being " up " (emotionally --

for everyone else), I just fell a part. Then my husband's brother

drowned, my husband crashed his 99 Corvette, totalled it -- came out

with only a scratch on his face, and at the time, we were separated.

All this happened just after I returned from Toledo. When he got into

the wreck, I felt sorry for him and told him to come on home. But you

know what -- something happened to him then, because he's changed,

really changed. Sometimes it takes tragic things to change a person . . .

> Me too, when I don't sleep well, I always hurt so much worse. I can

always tell the quality of my sleep by how I feel when I wake up each

morning.

> When I worked, I never slept well during the week, but on Friday's I

would crash. I'd be so exhausted by then, I'd come home from work,

grab something to eat, sit down to watch TV and fall a sleep in my

recliner and I'd either wake up and go to bed or stay there all night

and then I'd have to sleep most the day on Saturday to try to catch

up. Then Sunday got up early for church -- sang in the choir at the

early service. On Monday the whole cycle would start all over.

Sometimes I think my lack of sleep is pychological to an extent

because when I know I have to wake up early, forget sleep, I just

can't sleep. However, I'm sure when I was a baby and didn't sleep, I

had no clue, or maybe I did, that I'd have to wake up soon to eat. LOL

> Donna, you say the sweetest things. I never thought of being a

joint replacement consultant, but it sounds like it'd sure be

interesting. Years ago I began college with the intentions of

becoming a counselor, but then dropped out and went to school to

become a Travel Agent. ;-)

> Hugs,

> LindyLou

>

>

> My sleep disorder started in 1997, when my mother died. I didn't

sleep for weeks. I thought it would go away on its own, but it didn't.

My doctor told me trauma can take away your ability to sleep. Your

body learns that new behavior and " forgets " how to sleep.

>

> We both suffer from anxiety, and I'm sure it's connected.

>

> When my doctor convinced me to take sleeping pills, he was every

bit as concerned about my arthritis as he was about my mental well

being. When I don't get enough rest, I hurt. There is obviously more

inflammation, so my uneducated guess would be yes, that would cause

more deterioration.

>

> Lindy, if you renter the workplace, you might find you will

function with much more clarity and physical energy if you are rested.

During the work week, that's my mission: work, land or water physical

therapy and a good night's rest. Booooring -- but what I need to do

right now. When my knees are healed, I'll increase the intensity of my

workouts and hope that improves my sleep.

>

> I have a new career for you, Lindy. After your surgery, you can

become a joint replacement consultant or counselor. You have great

empathy for others and no one I know is as well researched and

prepared as you for surgery. You've asked every question and then some

that would never have occurred to me. You go, girl!

>

> Donna

>

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Lindy, Thank you for your sympathy. I wanted to tell you the same thing. Losing a parent can be devastating. And the drowning -- how heartbreaking. You and your husband both must be in the throes of grief. And Alan also. Wow, you two are so brave to be going through/planning surgeries during this time. Warm regards, Donnambwebman <mbwebman@...> wrote: Hi LindyLou,Boy this

seems to be the year for tragedy. I lost my Father inFebruary and my mother in March. I guess they couldn't live withouteach other. What made it worse is that I had to act as executor ofthe estate through my surgery preparation and even from the hospitalafterwards. You are right, it is very stressful and does cause somesleep loss. However, in all fairness, I think most of my sleep losssince surgery is due to my not being able to lay comfortably on myside which is my favorite position.I've also noticed that my back is giving me some trouble, I guess it'sthe way I'm walking after my double TKR. How are you doing progresswise? I'm back to 110 degrees flex after some busy days and a missedday of exercise at home. I was a bad boy. Condolences on everybody'slosses I know they are all in a better place.Best Regards,Alan B.>> Donna,> I'm sorry after your mother passed on you had so much troublesleeping. That is a traumatic time, the death of a loved one. My mompassed on Sept. 05 and I flew down to Toledo for her funeral. I gotthrough everything alright, but when I returned I fell a part -- fromflying -- walking through the airports -- didn't think to ask for help-- standing all day at the funeral home, being "up" (emotionally --for everyone else), I just fell a part. Then my husband's brotherdrowned, my husband crashed his 99 Corvette, totalled it -- came outwith only a scratch on his face, and at the time, we were separated. All this happened just after I returned from Toledo. When he got intothe wreck, I felt sorry for him and told him to come on home.

But youknow what -- something happened to him then, because he's changed,really changed. Sometimes it takes tragic things to change a person . . .> Me too, when I don't sleep well, I always hurt so much worse. I canalways tell the quality of my sleep by how I feel when I wake up eachmorning.> When I worked, I never slept well during the week, but on Friday's Iwould crash. I'd be so exhausted by then, I'd come home from work,grab something to eat, sit down to watch TV and fall a sleep in myrecliner and I'd either wake up and go to bed or stay there all nightand then I'd have to sleep most the day on Saturday to try to catchup. Then Sunday got up early for church -- sang in the choir at theearly service. On Monday the whole cycle would start all over. Sometimes I think my lack of sleep is pychological to an extentbecause when I know I have to wake up early, forget sleep, I justcan't sleep. However, I'm sure

when I was a baby and didn't sleep, Ihad no clue, or maybe I did, that I'd have to wake up soon to eat. LOL> Donna, you say the sweetest things. I never thought of being ajoint replacement consultant, but it sounds like it'd sure beinteresting. Years ago I began college with the intentions ofbecoming a counselor, but then dropped out and went to school tobecome a Travel Agent. ;-)> Hugs,> LindyLou> > > My sleep disorder started in 1997, when my mother died. I didn'tsleep for weeks. I thought it would go away on its own, but it didn't.My doctor told me trauma can take away your ability to sleep. Yourbody learns that new behavior and "forgets" how to sleep. > > We both suffer from anxiety, and I'm sure it's connected. > > When my doctor convinced me to take sleeping pills, he was everybit as concerned about my arthritis as he was about my mental wellbeing. When I

don't get enough rest, I hurt. There is obviously moreinflammation, so my uneducated guess would be yes, that would causemore deterioration.> > Lindy, if you renter the workplace, you might find you willfunction with much more clarity and physical energy if you are rested.During the work week, that's my mission: work, land or water physicaltherapy and a good night's rest. Booooring -- but what I need to doright now. When my knees are healed, I'll increase the intensity of myworkouts and hope that improves my sleep.> > I have a new career for you, Lindy. After your surgery, you canbecome a joint replacement consultant or counselor. You have greatempathy for others and no one I know is as well researched andprepared as you for surgery. You've asked every question and then somethat would never have occurred to me. You go, girl!> >

Donna>

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Alan,

I'm so sorry you lost your mother and father in such a short span of time. I really do think that in a lot of cases, spouse really can't live w/o one another.

That was a lot of stress on you, as executor during an already stressful time, with your surgery to deal with, and your loss as well. That was a lot to handle all at once.

hugs,linDUHlouTRHR 1/22/2007

Hi LindyLou,Boy this seems to be the year for tragedy. I lost my Father inFebruary and my mother in March. I guess they couldn't live withouteach other. What made it worse is that I had to act as executor ofthe estate through my surgery preparation and even from the hospitalafterwards. You are right, it is very stressful and does cause somesleep loss. However, in all fairness, I think most of my sleep losssince surgery is due to my not being able to lay comfortably on myside which is my favorite position.I've also noticed that my back is giving me some trouble, I guess it'sthe way I'm walking after my double TKR. How are you doing progresswise? I'm back to 110 degrees flex after some busy days and a missedday of exercise at home. I was a bad boy. Condolences on everybody'slosses I know they are all in a better place.Best Regards,Alan B.

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my husband's mom lost her mother, her husband and her son all in less than one year. and she's the kind that will not/does not show any emotion -- she keeps it all in. i'm waiting for her to explode one of these days. i have to let it out and i don't care, if someone thinks i'm a weak person because i cry when i hurt, OH WELL!

hugs,linDUHlouTRHR 1/22/2007

Lindy,

Thank you for your sympathy. I wanted to tell you the same thing. Losing a parent can be devastating. And the drowning -- how heartbreaking. You and your husband both must be in the throes of grief.

And Alan also. Wow, you two are so brave to be going through/planning surgeries during this time.

Warm regards,

Donna