Re: Re: The NEW BREED Pharmacist

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I have to admit too that the NB'ers do know their stuff when it comes

to clinical pharmacy. And I will admit that many go on to become great overall

pharmacists. But way too many do NOT have a clue even after rotations etc what

supervision means, TEAM work means, making of IV's, aseptic technique AND

formulations and recipes! Most could not find a special filter if you needed

their help. Most do not know how to jump in and help the tech when he/she gets

swamped when census is high. Most would not even if they did know how.

The NEW BREEDERS graduated school in the last 15 years or so. Before that we had

the Intermediates that I have spoken about. These people CAN do clinical

pharmacy and were trained by the OLD TIMERS (RPh) and techs like , Anne

and myself who have been in the biz at least 15 yrs or longer. The

INTERMEDIATES will help out and know how and make it their business to know what

you are up to and check on you even thought they do not feel they have to if

they trust you, but understand it is their job/license and therefore they do.

They are ALL for techs but make sure the techs do not do anything that is out

of scope of practice. NEW BREEDERS tend to look at an US and THEM - the techs do

this and that and I leave them alone cuz they know what they are doing. JUST as

you described. The fact is they do not know what we are doing. So how the HELL

are we supposed to trust them to supervise techs? Especially new techs? and

TRAIN them? That is precisely why we need schools in

addition to the MANY reasons sited before by others and myself. Again this

should NOT be. Techs may know where items are kept or moved to because they are

working with them more often, but ALL pharmacists should be required to get

their roll up their sleeves and work along side the techs at least once a week

to keep in the KNOW. HELL to GET in the KNOW nowadays.

I have to agree with you many will become great supervisors, clinical

pharmacists WITH TIME, and only IF they had a good prof who instilled in them

the need to know and learn all that the techs do. But I think way too many do

and will not. Currently MANY colleges are/have been removing the requirement to

work under the tech (in rotations) and LEARN all that they can because they will

not be doing that work. EXCUSE me! NO you may not be physically doing the work,

but technically by law it is the work of the RPh and it is being delegated by

the RPh to a tech, whom they MUST be able to supervise and trust meaning that

they understand and have done and can do the work. It is evident when a NEW

BREEDERS have no clue how to make/get a recipe or chemical formula to make a

NEW IV or PO Syringe, from SCRATCH. Unless they were a chemistry major in the BS

program that they took, they probably will ask the tech who should have NO CLUE

what to do in this case, since they have no such

education for this (even if he/she was is chem major). Diriong all of this we

see NEW BREEDERS supervising NEWLY TRAINED TECHS worse yet TRAIN new techs!

, sounds like you have been VERY lucky!

MUCH here also depends upon the CORE of the individual.

I have not even begun to talk about the NBers who are in the KNOW but are LAZY!~

Your 2 CENTS is INVALUABLE! and I am so very glad that you wrote about the

GREAT and Wonderful NEW BREEDERS that exist among the TERRIBLE ones.

We do need to recognize them.

Thank you again for your participation in this discussion,

Jeanetta Mastron CPhT BS

F/O

K <kates_island_adventure@...> wrote:

Hi, Jeanetta!

Would have to agree with you about the NEW BREEDers out there... they

do exist & I've worked with (and lost my patience with) some of them

over the years.

I've noticed one thing about the NEW BREEDers... they may be new and

may not know their way around the hospital pharmacy without the techs,

but the ones who, IMNSHO, succeed and go on to become great Clinical

and PharmD's are the ones who a) admit that, in the dispensary at

least, it's the techs who run the dispensary and openly

accept/embrace point a) and are ALWAYS willing to let the techs offer

in their input/show them how things are done in the pharmacy -- i.e.

they're very much " in " to the concept continual learning and letting

the techs teach them a thing or two about pharmacy.

, one of my three all time favourite-to-work-for hospital

pharmacists, was a NEW BREEDer of sorts when we first started to work

together (she was a year or two out of a clinical RPh program) but she

was fun to work with, admitted that the techs do a lot of work grunt

work behind the scenes (her exact words were " the techs run the show " )

and asked us (the techs) for advice on how to do things or show her

how to do them (i.e. CIVA proceedures) when she didn't know how to do

them herself.

is now in the middle of doing the PharmD program and I believe

that she WILL succeed at it and will be a great asset to any pharmacy

and (unlike some other PharmD's I know) will still very likely be a

fun pharmacist to know and work with.

Just my 0.02$ worth.

Have a good weekend!

-K

> >

> > Have you worked with a new Pharmacist - just out of school that

> did all

> > their rotations in a clinical setting???? Some of them have NO

> CLUE on the

> > function of a pharmacy. Many schools have removed the " practice "

> of pharmacy from

> > the curriculum in order to incorporate more clinical didactic

> materials.

> > Everyone must have " training " to acclimate them to their work

> environment.

> > It honestly scares me - I've " trained " new graduates in the IV

> room that

> > have thought because they were the pharmacist and I was the tech,

> they didn't

> > have to pay attention when I trained them on proper aseptic

> technique. I've

> > encountered that twice from graduates, and twice from pharmacy

> students.

> > Anne

> >

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