Differences

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You are definately not alone. Most kids are totally different in a school setting. I guess its because of the strict rules & routines. I have many problems with Whit at home & going out by ourselves. But the school, and other people who take her places without me, dont have the problems I do, except occasionally. Of course I believe our problem is that we dont have any kids on our end of the street, so I have always been Whits playmate, and thats how our relationship is.

Also some kids can hold themeselves together long enough to get through the school day, but when they get home all hell breaks loose. Home is generally where they feel the safest, and they know they can let loose all the tension & stress and still be loved.

Hope this helps,

Robin, mom to Whitney 9

P.S. Where the school is concerned. You will ALWAYS have to prove everything to them. They like to play word games, & try to confuse you. They hate to give anything but the bare minamun of services. If you dont know whats available, they wont tell you, even when they know your child desperatly needs it.

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> can barely even remember is classmates names and hates school with

>a passion( did I mention he hates school!!)>>>>>>>>>>>>

I am sorry that you are having such a hard time. Maybe you should

consider homeschooling him. Does he have an IEP and could you

see about getting him in the resource room, or is he already in

there, can't remember if you said that????

Children like ours can do so much better when they are homeschooled.

Marj

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> Also some kids can hold themeselves together long enough to get

>through the school day, but when they get home all hell breaks

>loose.>>>>>>>>>>>>

This could be due to Sensory Integration problems. Have you had

her tested by an OT to see if this is the problem????

> P.S. Where the school is concerned. You will ALWAYS have to prove

>everything to them.....They hate to give anything but the bare

>minamun of services.>>>>>>>>>>>>

I guess I am pretty lucky because our school is bending over

backwards to make sure that my son has all that he needs to

succeed. I guess that is because I have done my homework and know

my rights as far as IEP's goes so they know that they can't put

anything over on me. I even had the speech teacher tell me that

she was impressed that I knew so much about what my son needs and

how to get it.

Marj

[Guest guest]

does anybody out there

> have a child who is totally different in school and totally

> different at home as well as any other place other than school. i

> feel very alone. thanks>>

Don't feel alone at all. It seems whether bipolar or autistic, some kids

will be great at school--prefect little students--and then they get home and

tear the place apart.

BETTY ANN-62 yo, possibly undx'd Bipolar

grandma and guardian to

ANDREW - 12 yo-- Bipolar/ADHD, Homeschooled

EVAN - 10 yo-- nonverbal autism

DAVID 7 yo Bipolar/ADHD

and mother to ANDREA -33 yo, their mom -Bipolar/ADHD

wife to BOB - 72 yo, a very tired grandpa

[Guest guest]

does anybody out there

> have a child who is totally different in school and totally

> different at home as well as any other place other than school. i

> feel very alone. thanks>>

Don't feel alone at all. It seems whether bipolar or autistic, some kids

will be great at school--prefect little students--and then they get home and

tear the place apart. It certainly makes it hard on the mother for sure.

BETTY ANN-62 yo, possibly undx'd Bipolar

grandma and guardian to

ANDREW - 12 yo-- Bipolar/ADHD, Homeschooled

EVAN - 10 yo-- nonverbal autism

DAVID 7 yo Bipolar/ADHD

and mother to ANDREA -33 yo, their mom -Bipolar/ADHD

wife to BOB - 72 yo, a very tired grandpa

[Guest guest]

Absolutely! Especially before we started medication.

School is very routine oriented and I believe that's one reason why you see such a difference at school. They have a schedule, see the same people, have the same teachers, etc.

Penny

~Accept what nature provides and celebrate the differences~

April is Autism Awareness Month

Quoted from a person with Aspergers - "We're fine if you put us into the right environment. But when the person and the environment don't match, we seem disabled" - Newsweek, Sept. 8, 2003

-----Original Message-----From: Betty [mailto:gk37@...]Sent: Friday, April 09, 2004 8:00 PMautism Subject: Re: differencesdoes anybody out there> have a child who is totally different in school and totally> different at home as well as any other place other than school. i> feel very alone. thanks>>Don't feel alone at all. It seems whether bipolar or autistic, some kidswill be great at school--prefect little students--and then they get home andtear the place apart.BETTY ANN-62 yo, possibly undx'd Bipolargrandma and guardian toANDREW - 12 yo-- Bipolar/ADHD, HomeschooledEVAN - 10 yo-- nonverbal autismDAVID 7 yo Bipolar/ADHDand mother to ANDREA -33 yo, their mom -Bipolar/ADHDwife to BOB - 72 yo, a very tired grandpa

[Guest guest]

Karac is better at school, and at my house than he is at home, but aren't we all like that? Home is the one place we don't have to put on a good face. LOL, Pat K

[Guest guest]

hello, hope u still get on here. My son is 5 and is the model child to. can u give me some suggestions on what to do I feel like I'm about to lose my mind. Yes he hates school to. I hate haveing to wake him up from not wanting to change clothes to brushing hair and teeth some mornings I have to hold him down just to put his clothes on him. I don't want to do it but that is the only way. I ask the Dr's everyone keeps telling me to look on the computer well this is my only hope for figureing out how to handle my son. PLEASE HELP I'm about to lose my mind. if anyone has any suggustions please email me lilbillyf@... everything u said about your son sounds just like my son please needing help.

>> My son is ASD and according to the school is almost the model child > there. He is in resource and ICS and is suppose to be in 2nd grade > and is testing in a Kindergarten level. I have had him tested by the > school, a neurologist and physchiatrist, behavorialist, and he is > presently having visual and audio assessments. At home he is > unmanagable at times, he is repetitive, mimics, has so many rages > about so many things that it is hard to keep track, he is not > social, can barely even remember is classmates names and hates > school with a passion( did I mention he hates school!!) yet when > he's there the CST say he is a totally different child then what I, > his OT, his neuro, physc., and almost everyone else who knows him > sees. I feel like i am going crazy. I am so tired of having to prove > things to get him the help he so desperately needs, especially in > the school setting. All the above (the OT, etc., ) even his > behaviourlist feel that he needs a placement change, but the school > says that he is acting, doing just dandy. does anybody out there > have a child who is totally different in school and totally > different at home as well as any other place other than school. i > feel very alone. thanks>

[Guest guest]

At the end of last year i had problems with caleb wanting to go to school. I would have to literally carry him on the bus. Once he got to school he would go to the bathroom and try to make himself throw up. This all started after he had a relapse of his asthma. I went threw this for the lasf two months of school. Did he just start doing this or did something happen to start this behavior?Sent from my iPhoneGwen HebertOn Aug 30, 2009, at 3:28 PM, "lilbillyf" <lilbillyf@...> wrote:

hello, hope u still get on here. My son is 5 and is the model child to. can u give me some suggestions on what to do I feel like I'm about to lose my mind. Yes he hates school to. I hate haveing to wake him up from not wanting to change clothes to brushing hair and teeth some mornings I have to hold him down just to put his clothes on him. I don't want to do it but that is the only way. I ask the Dr's everyone keeps telling me to look on the computer well this is my only hope for figureing out how to handle my son. PLEASE HELP I'm about to lose my mind. if anyone has any suggustions please email me lilbillyf everything u said about your son sounds just like my son please needing help.

>> My son is ASD and according to the school is almost the model child > there. He is in resource and ICS and is suppose to be in 2nd grade > and is testing in a Kindergarten level. I have had him tested by the > school, a neurologist and physchiatrist, behavorialist, and he is > presently having visual and audio assessments. At home he is > unmanagable at times, he is repetitive, mimics, has so many rages > about so many things that it is hard to keep track, he is not > social, can barely even remember is classmates names and hates > school with a passion( did I mention he hates school!!) yet when > he's there the CST say he is a totally different child then what I, > his OT, his neuro, physc., and almost everyone else who knows him > sees. I feel like i am going crazy. I am so tired of having to prove > things to get him the help he so desperately needs, especially in > the school setting. All the above (the OT, etc., ) even his > behaviourlist feel that he needs a placement change, but the school > says that he is acting, doing just dandy. does anybody out there > have a child who is totally different in school and totally > different at home as well as any other place other than school. i > feel very alone. thanks>

[Guest guest]

hello Gwen 's behavor has been on going since about 2 or 3 he is 5 now and just was dignoeses with Autism and spd so now there is a name to what is going on with him I just need to know what to do at my end when these tanturms (or what ever they r) happen the Dr.s just look and me and say deal with it. there has to be a way to handle them. The teachers think I crazy because they see a whole different side of him at school but trying to get him up and ready is a challenge he wakes everyone up in the house I have two more a 2 yrold and 10 month old. I feel like I'm about to brake all I want to do is hide in a corner and cry. They say something is wrong with my son they it seem like there just like ok you should know what to do. Maybe I need to find

different Dr.s any suggestions? I like in Dalton Georgia. anyone know a good Dr here that can help me?

From: Gwen Hebert <gwenhebert@...>"autism " <autism >Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 7:28:58 PMSubject: Re: Re: differences

At the end of last year i had problems with caleb wanting to go to school. I would have to literally carry him on the bus. Once he got to school he would go to the bathroom and try to make himself throw up. This all started after he had a relapse of his asthma. I went threw this for the lasf two months of school. Did he just start doing this or did something happen to start this behavior?Sent from my iPhone

Gwen Hebert

On Aug 30, 2009, at 3:28 PM, "lilbillyf" <lilbillyf (DOT) com> wrote:

hello, hope u still get on here. My son is 5 and is the model child to. can u give me some suggestions on what to do I feel like I'm about to lose my mind. Yes he hates school to. I hate haveing to wake him up from not wanting to change clothes to brushing hair and teeth some mornings I have to hold him down just to put his clothes on him. I don't want to do it but that is the only way. I ask the Dr's everyone keeps telling me to look on the computer well this is my only hope for figureing out how to handle my son. PLEASE HELP I'm about to lose my mind. if anyone has any suggustions please email me lilbillyf (DOT) com everything u said about your son sounds just like my son please needing help.

>> My son is ASD and according to the school is almost the model child > there. He is in resource and ICS and is suppose to be in 2nd grade > and is testing in a Kindergarten level. I have had him tested by the > school, a neurologist and physchiatrist, behavorialist, and he is > presently having visual and audio assessments. At home he is > unmanagable at times, he is repetitive, mimics, has so many rages > about so many things that it is hard to keep track, he is not > social, can barely even remember is classmates names and hates > school with a passion( did I mention he hates school!!) yet when > he's there the CST say he is a totally different child then what I, > his OT, his neuro, physc., and almost everyone else who knows him > sees. I feel like i am going crazy.

I am so tired of having to prove > things to get him the help he so desperately needs, especially in > the school setting. All the above (the OT, etc., ) even his > behaviourlist feel that he needs a placement change, but the school > says that he is acting, doing just dandy. does anybody out there > have a child who is totally different in school and totally > different at home as well as any other place other than school. i > feel very alone. thanks>

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You need to find you a pediatric OT. I understand. I got the diagonosis and then that was it. No one told me what to do. You may need to put him on meds. Talk to your pediatrician first and see what he says. I take Caleb to a psychiatrist. I was referred by his pediatrician. Caleb is on risperdal. It is a medication for kids with autism who have behavioral problems. You are not alone. The sensory integration is a hard one I know. It is trial and error. Caleb requires a lot of deep pressure. When he is having a meltdown I try to queeze his arm or massage his shoulders. It doesn't always work. You need to find a good support group. The ASA has several support groups. These are not online support groups but face to face ones. They can also give you local resources. I don't know if y'all have a program called families helping families. They can give you local resources too. Also go sign up with OCDD. You will be on a waiting list for years but your name will come up one day. Also you need to see your dr and tell him what you are going through. You may need meds for now too.Sorry it took me so long to respond. Calebhas been sick. Sent from my iPhoneGwen HebertOn Aug 31, 2009, at 5:48 AM, lachelle faulkner <lilbillyf@...> wrote:

hello Gwen 's behavor has been on going since about 2 or 3 he is 5 now and just was dignoeses with Autism and spd so now there is a name to what is going on with him I just need to know what to do at my end when these tanturms (or what ever they r) happen the Dr.s just look and me and say deal with it. there has to be a way to handle them. The teachers think I crazy because they see a whole different side of him at school but trying to get him up and ready is a challenge he wakes everyone up in the house I have two more a 2 yrold and 10 month old. I feel like I'm about to brake all I want to do is hide in a corner and cry. They say something is wrong with my son they it seem like there just like ok you should know what to do. Maybe I need to find

different Dr.s any suggestions? I like in Dalton Georgia. anyone know a good Dr here that can help me?

From: Gwen Hebert <gwenhebertlive>"autism " <autism >Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 7:28:58 PMSubject: Re: Re: differences

At the end of last year i had problems with caleb wanting to go to school. I would have to literally carry him on the bus. Once he got to school he would go to the bathroom and try to make himself throw up. This all started after he had a relapse of his asthma. I went threw this for the lasf two months of school. Did he just start doing this or did something happen to start this behavior?Sent from my iPhone

Gwen Hebert

On Aug 30, 2009, at 3:28 PM, "lilbillyf" <lilbillyf (DOT) com> wrote:

hello, hope u still get on here. My son is 5 and is the model child to. can u give me some suggestions on what to do I feel like I'm about to lose my mind. Yes he hates school to. I hate haveing to wake him up from not wanting to change clothes to brushing hair and teeth some mornings I have to hold him down just to put his clothes on him. I don't want to do it but that is the only way. I ask the Dr's everyone keeps telling me to look on the computer well this is my only hope for figureing out how to handle my son. PLEASE HELP I'm about to lose my mind. if anyone has any suggustions please email me lilbillyf (DOT) com everything u said about your son sounds just like my son please needing help.

>> My son is ASD and according to the school is almost the model child > there. He is in resource and ICS and is suppose to be in 2nd grade > and is testing in a Kindergarten level. I have had him tested by the > school, a neurologist and physchiatrist, behavorialist, and he is > presently having visual and audio assessments. At home he is > unmanagable at times, he is repetitive, mimics, has so many rages > about so many things that it is hard to keep track, he is not > social, can barely even remember is classmates names and hates > school with a passion( did I mention he hates school!!) yet when > he's there the CST say he is a totally different child then what I, > his OT, his neuro, physc., and almost everyone else who knows him > sees. I feel like i am going crazy.

I am so tired of having to prove > things to get him the help he so desperately needs, especially in > the school setting. All the above (the OT, etc., ) even his > behaviourlist feel that he needs a placement change, but the school > says that he is acting, doing just dandy. does anybody out there > have a child who is totally different in school and totally > different at home as well as any other place other than school. i > feel very alone. thanks>

[Guest guest]

Hello, what would be the main difference between a vertical hood and horizontal

hood? Is really important to wipe in a specific direction or pattern? if so why?

I thought if you wipe it properly it would not matter.

[Guest guest]

a vertical hood has the air going down, and a horizontal one has it going

towards you. so you would hold and arrange your items/self so as not to disrupt

airflow.

Differences

Hello, what would be the main difference between a vertical hood and horizontal

hood? Is really important to wipe in a specific direction or pattern? if so why?

I thought if you wipe it properly it would not matter.

[Guest guest]

In addition to the direction of flow of air that Karin wrote about:

A verticle hood is used when doing sterile compounding or preparation of

hazardous drugs such as chemotherapy.

A horizontal hood is used when making IVPB's, LVP's and TPN's.

As per usual the Tutorials that I have are complete with the information that

one needs. Here is the directory to get you to a tutorial on this subject:

From the home page and logged in use the yellow menu to the left or your screen

to get to the Files section:

Click on " Files " >

Files > 5- Tutorial-1 & Study Information

> S10- IV, Hospital and Home Infusion Pharmacy

> Tutorial- Hospital Drug Distribution 1

Scroll to the following document:

Tutorial - Flow Hoods.doc

Aseptic technique of cleaning a hood as well as the various parts of a hood and

it function.

Here is a link that may take you there if you have to copy and paste ALL of it

in your browser if it is not working:

Tutorial on Flow Hoods

http://f1.grp.fs.com/v1/MA3RS4zbV5WN2mrnlutUHleo-igCAfx1Emf54b2gP7l-nAFbn3n\

lKr4sF-E_ASRSEbFdHgfKmsiVUr8HYSwj/5-%20Tutorial-1%20%26%20Study%20Information/S1\

0-%20IV%2C%20Hospital%20and%20Home%20Infusion%20Pharmacy/Tutorial-%20%20Hospital\

%20Drug%20Distribution%201/Tutorial%20-%20Flow%20Hoods.doc

Now Aseptic Technique has changed over the years and this document is a 2008

update of USP 797 with garbing and gowning. I actually forgot I had it (Karin

are you reading this!

Click on " Files " >

Files > 5- Tutorial-1 & Study Information > S10- IV, Hospital and Home Infusion

Pharmacy > USP 797 2008 Updates

USP 797 Changes in Aseptic Technique.doc

2008 Updates to USP 797

Here is a link that may work but if not copy and paste ALL of it in your

browser. Remember you must be logged in for it to work.

http://f1.grp.fs.com/v1/MA3RS3AAWaqN2mrnRFAzkjtDtqdv4MO1l1IeHudvrIJ2rqhE3Nm\

PLoDrvBNqPhKVtycQbL1oGoRophrQJCOR/5-%20Tutorial-1%20%26%20Study%20Information/S1\

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tes/USP%20797%20Changes%20in%20Aseptic%20Technique.doc

Hope this helps,

Respectfully,

Jeanetta Mastron CPhT BS

Founder/Owner

>

> Hello, what would be the main difference between a vertical hood and

horizontal hood? Is really important to wipe in a specific direction or pattern?

if so why? I thought if you wipe it properly it would not matter.

>

[Guest guest]

a horizantal flow hood deals with making sterile or parenterals product mixtues

such as tpn's...tpn (total parentaral nutrition) is very common to make on the

horizantal flow hood.

vertical flow hood is for chemotherapuetic agents . this flow hood requires to

wear gown, gloves, no jewlry, hair tied back..of course both hoods require the

aseptic technique to prevent contamination.

hoods should be cleaned back to front, side to side hand motions with (70%

isopropyl alcohol) to wipe/kill every bit of dust or bacteria...this type of

hand motion cleaning is accurate to kill bacteria than to wipe circular, or zig

zag hand motions.

crystal

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From: " ElectraKizz - Love, Peace " <electrakizz@...>

Sent: Wed, April 21, 2010 7:33:21 PM

Subject: Differences

Hello, what would be the main difference between a vertical hood and horizontal

hood? Is really important to wipe in a specific direction or pattern? if so why?

I thought if you wipe it properly it would not matter.

[Guest guest]

Thankjs for tellint me Karin!

I have removed the links and am reposting the directions to find the tutorial in

the Files section.

>

>

>

> Hello, what would be the main difference between a vertical hood and

horizontal hood? Is really important to wipe in a specific direction or pattern?

if so why? I thought if you wipe it properly it would not matter.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Crystal,

While I agree with your basic discription, I can not agree with the way that you

discusssed garbing and gloving. I think most people would interpret what you

wrote to mean that one does not need to garb/glove when making TPN's or other

sterile parenterals.

So I feel the need to clarify fo9r everyone sake especially our patients:

USP 797

You must garb/glove for all sterile products, whether it is an IVPB or chemo.

Aseptic technique INCLUDES washing ones hands or sterilizin them properly, at

the right time, and frequency.

Hoods need to be cleaned Back to Front as you said, but also Top to bottom, side

to side and no zig zag mothions as you said.

Hand motion does not " KILL " the bacteria, but it does remove it rather than

schmoosh it around and leave it there. It also prevents the 'return' of

'schmooshed' particles or bacteria (and other pathogens) to previously cleaned

surfaces. The procedure is VERY specific for this very reason.

Again the direction of the air flow is very important in the DIFFERENCE of the

flow hoods. This also determinew WHAT types of products you can make and those

products are those which must be sterial. All products that go into the vein

must be made in a Flow hood. It it is hazardous it is made in a vertical hooed

so that the air does not flow towards you and carry the aerosols to your face or

body. It also has a trough that has holes in it and a 'vaccum-like' suction

thing going on so that the fumes that would escape where your arms are at do not

but rather are 'sucked' down into the hood and recycled and up to a " scrubber "

and cleaned (as much as possible) to go out into the environment.

The tutorials also have diagrams and some photos. Barrier Isolators are another

option, but they are uncomfortable for many techs to use and some hospitals that

had purchased them are going back to the Flow hoods and makeing the IV'rooms USP

797 compliant even if it is more expensive.

Hope this helps,

Jeanetta Mastron CPhT BS

Pharmacy Technician Educator

Founder/Owner

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> a horizantal flow hood deals with making sterile or parenterals product

mixtues such as tpn's...tpn (total parentaral nutrition) is very common to make

on the horizantal flow hood.

>

> vertical flow hood is for chemotherapuetic agents . this flow hood requires to

wear gown, gloves, no jewlry, hair tied back..of course both hoods require the

aseptic technique to prevent contamination.

>

> hoods should be cleaned back to front, side to side hand motions with (70%

isopropyl alcohol) to wipe/kill every bit of dust or bacteria...this type of

hand motion cleaning is accurate to kill bacteria than to wipe circular, or zig

zag hand motions.

>

>

> crystal

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: " ElectraKizz - Love, Peace " <electrakizz@...>

>

> Sent: Wed, April 21, 2010 7:33:21 PM

> Subject: Differences

>

>

> Hello, what would be the main difference between a vertical hood and

horizontal hood? Is really important to wipe in a specific direction or pattern?

if so why? I thought if you wipe it properly it would not matter.

>

[Guest guest]

Typos! Darn those long fingernails again!

Jeanetta

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> Thanks for telling me Karin!

>

> I have removed the links and am reposting the directions to find the tutorial

in the Files section.

>