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Lynn,

If you are asking how you get tested for celiac disease, your doctor

should be able to do that or refer you.

> boy, I sure hope it's not celiac...that's the one thing I'm hoping

these

> enzymes help us with!!! how does one get that tested?

>

> lynn

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It is very complicated, and there is some disagreement in the medical

community over what is required for a definitive diagnosis. My wife is

undergoing the testing now.

There is a blood test, which can help spot some things that might

indicate celiac disease. But the blood test is not a definitive

indicator.

My wife has had a colonoscopy, to rule out other causes for her

diarrhea.

This Friday, she is having an upper endoscopy and another blood test.

She has had to stop her GF diet for the last 3 weeks so that the blood

test and the upper endoscopy will show " valid " results. (We have had a

lot of fun going off the GF diet... wait till she see what she's getting

tonight!)

During the upper endoscopy, they will take sampless of the villi from

her small intestine. If those samples show damage from celiac disease

and if the blood test confirms it, they will make an official diagnosis.

The disagreement in the medical community surrounds whether the

endoscopy is necessary. My wife's diarrhea stopped when she went GF, and

the celiac blood test was positive (mixed positive, actually, since the

test looks for about 5 different things). This would be enough for some

doctors to make the diagnosis, I think.

-eric

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Lynn,

If you are asking how you get tested for celiac disease, your doctor

should be able to do that or refer you.

> boy, I sure hope it's not celiac...that's the one thing I'm hoping

these

> enzymes help us with!!! how does one get that tested?

>

> lynn

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yeah, I just started talking with my husband about going into a more in

depth evaluation to see if there is anyhting more physiological that we

should be looking at...thanks for your answers...

lynn

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> Lynn,

>

> If you are asking how you get tested for celiac disease, your doctor

> should be able to do that or refer you.

>

>

>

>

> > boy, I sure hope it's not celiac...that's the one thing I'm hoping

> these

> > enzymes help us with!!! how does one get that tested?

> >

> > lynn

>

>

>

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--- In @y..., " Dan & " <creativespark@e...>

wrote:

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> Every time someone posts the site re: celiac, I look at the pictures

of DH

> and say, " Nope, that's not what 's rash looks like... " But

now

> folks seem to be saying that symptoms vary...

My rash when I was younger looked very much like a few of the photos.

My son's rash now when he eats gluten looks very much like a few of

the photos, but different photos than my rash looked.

Now, my rash does not look like any of the photos. And my son's rash

looks like the photos but does not itch. So it is confusing to me

also, but the other symptoms are very clear to me.

> I guess my question is, do we need to do more testing?

If you would feel better doing more testing, then I think you should

pursue it. Otherwise, you can just do what I am doing, assume your

son is celiac, and treat him as such.

Dana

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From what I read the other day, the tests are not always indicative

of celiac because a biopsy may be taken from part of the intestines

that are not showing damage or lesions at the moment. The damage may

be present in other areas not hit. The biopsy is a very good test,

but not absolute. The recommendation was to try the gluten free diet

for up to 6 weeks and see if you see improvements. Then reintroduce

gluten and see if there is regression. If so, then stick to a gluten-

free diet. One area of research is looking for a antigen test to

definitely test for celiac.

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>

>

>

>Heidi (and/or some other expert). someone sent me this info when

>i posted that i was going gluten free as an experiment to see if i

>am gluten intolerant. this is what she replied. it seems to

>differ from what i have been reading in this group: thanks, diana

>

>She wrote:

>

>The only time that gluten is not good for anyone is if they

>have Celiac disease.

>

>Also, with Celiac disease the person is gluten intolerant

>and if you are concerned about allergies to wheat and rye

>(example) you need to find out for sure if you have Celiac.

>

>Celiac disease is a very serious issue and needs to be

>diagnosed by a dr not by experimenting long term to see if that's

>your problem.

>

>Also, most healthy things have gluten in it but like I say the

>only time it's not good for anyone is if they have Celiac

>Disease.

>

,

I'm no expert, but I can assure you this is total misinformation. Celiac is

just *one* form of gluten intolerance, albeit the most severe. You can most

certainly be gluten intolerant but not have Celiac Sprue, yet suffer quite a

bit of damage from gluten.

And " most healthy things have gluten in it " ?????? Sheesh....this person

really has no clue!

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At 07:13 AM 5/26/2004, you wrote:

>>Heidi (and/or some other expert). someone sent me this info when

>>i posted that i was going gluten free as an experiment to see if i

>>am gluten intolerant. this is what she replied. it seems to

>>differ from what i have been reading in this group: thanks, diana

>>

I'm with Katja. What the person posted is " the party line " (along with

the food pyramid, avoid fats etc.) but not at all what the

researchers think. " Celiac " is the " end game " like grangrene

is to diabetes ... it's nice to avoid that much damage if

possible. Have her read " Before the Villi are gone " (link below).

Going GF doesn't always show whether or not a person is gluten

intolerant though ... there really is no foolproof test at this

point (tho Dr. Fine's test comes close). A lot of people do feel

better when they go GF, which is great ... me I felt worse, but then

got slowly better and got REALLY sick when I tried to eat gluten

again. YMMV!

-- Heidi Jean

http://www.enterolab.com/Essay/

Even though recent research has shown that celiac disease is much more common

than previously suspected, affecting 1 in 100-200 Americans and Europeans, past

and emerging evidence indicates that it accounts for only a small portion of the

broader gluten sensitive clinical spectrum (often referred to as the " Tip of the

Gluten Sensitive Iceberg " ). With better understanding of how gluten triggers

immune and autoimmune reactions in the body under the control of various genes,

and advancing techniques of detecting these reactions, it is becoming apparent

that the majority of the gluten sensitive population (the submerged “mass of the

iceberg”) do not manifest villous atrophy in its classic, complete form and

therefore do not have celiac disease. In these non-celiac, gluten sensitive

individuals, the brunt of the immune reaction either affects the function of the

intestine, causing symptoms without structural damage, affects other tissues of

the body (and virtually all tissues have been affected in different

individuals), or both. This is important because the commonly used diagnostic

tests of clinically important gluten sensitivity (blood tests for certain

antibodies and intestinal biopsies) are only positive when villous atrophy of

the small intestine is present. But if only a small minority of gluten sensitive

individuals actually develop celiac disease, the majority, who have not yet or

may never develop villous atrophy, with or without symptoms, can remain

undiagnosed and untreated for years. This can result in significant immune and

nutritional consequences, many of which are irreversible even after treatment

with a gluten-free diet.

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I went gluten free as an experiment and the improved results to my health

proved it right. Wheather I have or had celiac, don't know or need someone

to tell me so. Leaky gut, IBD, multiple food,environmental allergies,

deficiencies due to malabsorption and incorrect for me prior diet seems a

more accurate diagnosis. Other factors that put experimentation ahead of

getting a diagnosis first as a you have to go gluten free is no insurance,

the general medical world separate of specialists who'd rather give a

prescription than listen to a patient wanting a specific test, the last

mainstream doctor I went to 15 years ago who could find nothing wrong even

though I had severe gastrointestinal issues and money is better spent on the

quality foods that do make me feel well. Going gluten free looks like one of

the few things in life you can actually do if it makes you feel good and not

suffer any consequences of having made a wrong choice later. Choosing to do

it yourself from research and you knowing how you feel without being told

you must to me puts you more than halfway there.

Wanita

> Heidi (and/or some other expert). someone sent me this info when i posted

that i was going gluten free as an experiment to see if i am gluten

intolerant. this is what she replied. it seems to differ from what i have

been reading in this group: thanks, diana

>

> She wrote:

>

> The only time that gluten is not good for anyone is if they

> have Celiac disease.

>

> Also, with Celiac disease the person is gluten intolerant

> and if you are concerned about allergies to wheat and rye

> (example) you need to find out for sure if you have Celiac.

>

> Celiac disease is a very serious issue and needs to be

> diagnosed by a dr not by experimenting long term to see if that's

> your problem.

>

> Also, most healthy things have gluten in it but like I say the

> only time it's not good for anyone is if they have Celiac

> Disease.

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If someone with celiac disease or has any glutan intolerance, their

symptoms will always persist until they remove glutan from their

diet !!!!!

Check this page out for some help http://www.gflinks.com/

For those with MS , I'd advice them to save this page too as glutan

is best avoided in MS

Rep. Ireland

> i have a question about celiac symptoms.

> some one with celiac ingests a gluyein diet - how long

> will the symptoms persist - like diarrhea e.t.c.

>

>

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Thanks Sue.

On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 5:05 PM, Sue <marysue@...> wrote:

> Heidi,

>

> I'm sorry that you have another disease to contend with. Actually, the

> gluten-free diet would be good for your diabetes, since grains raise

> our blood glucose. I don't know what the IC diet is.

>

> Since I have diabetes, I eat very few grain products. I eat lots of

> vegetables, especially green ones, and lots of salads, too. Meat,

> cheese, and other forms of protein are okay on a diabetic diet. I try

> not to eat anything white because white foods are all high carb except

> for cauliflower, LOL.

>

> You can probably find substitutes for gluten, for example, soy flour,

> which is relatively low carb.

>

> Good luck with this new challenge!

>

> Sue

>

> On Tuesday, November 11, 2008, at 04:56 PM, Heidi Mendelsohn wrote:

>

> > It seems to me that between the Gluten

> > free diet, the IC diet and the Diabetic diet I can't eat much except

> > the box

> > the food comes in but only if it has not contained something that has

> > gluten. LOL

>

>

>

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Heidi,

I have two friends with Celiac, both eat quite well. I lived at one

of their houses after surgery, and except for craving bread, I would

not have noticed any changes to what I normally eat. I live in

Southern California so your area will be different, we even have

restaurants that have menus with celiac items. With the advent of

Atkin's diet, you can even eat at fast food places with celiac. One

of the ladies was two young children, both inherited celias. She had

them tested when they turned One, they just will not know any other

way of eating. She has also done a lot of research on Celiac. There

is a strong genetic link. Apparently celiac predominates in Northern

Italians, and Scandanavians (she is of Finnish descent). There are

also other cultural groups with a lot of Celiac. So it might be

interesting for you to do a bit of research in your family to

determine the nationalities of the people in your family with

Celiac. A group of my friends get together for Thanksgiving and we

have three different types of stuffing to cover all the different

types of diet needs. lol

About not having grains, what you are actually avoiding is grains

that make gluten. So you can still have rice, millet, sesame, etc.

But you still have to watch out for 'gluten-free' mixes, and ready

made food items as they can have some of the grains you should not

eat in them still. You will become a champion label reader! Would

you believe soy sauce is mainly made of wheat! Luckily, there are

wheat-free soy sauces. Ask your doctor to refer you to a dietitian

or nutritionist to help you with changing to a gluten free diet. Is

there a Whole Foods market near you? They mark the items they carry

as okay for a Celiac diet, Vegitarion, etc. It makes it much easier

to find things okay for your diet. There are also a couple of Celiac

groups on groups to help you.

The endoscope procedure is to determine the amount of damage to your

intestines. I believe that most of the time a small biopsy will be

taken, but it will not cause you any pain.

Good luck, and now that you know about the celiac you ARE going to

feel better. You might want to set your husband to the Celiac

contest of making the best tasting Pizza crust without wheat or

gluten.

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On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 6:01 PM, cynthiadew1 <cynthiadew1@...> wrote:

>

> Heidi,

>

> I have two friends with Celiac, both eat quite well. I lived at one

> of their houses after surgery, and except for craving bread, I would

> not have noticed any changes to what I normally eat. I live in

> Southern California so your area will be different, we even have

> restaurants that have menus with celiac items. With the advent of

> Atkin's diet, you can even eat at fast food places with celiac. One

> of the ladies was two young children, both inherited celias. She had

> them tested when they turned One, they just will not know any other

> way of eating. She has also done a lot of research on Celiac. There

> is a strong genetic link. Apparently celiac predominates in Northern

> Italians, and Scandanavians (she is of Finnish descent). There are

> also other cultural groups with a lot of Celiac. So it might be

> interesting for you to do a bit of research in your family to

> determine the nationalities of the people in your family with

> Celiac. A group of my friends get together for Thanksgiving and we

> have three different types of stuffing to cover all the different

> types of diet needs. lol

>

> About not having grains, what you are actually avoiding is grains

> that make gluten. So you can still have rice, millet, sesame, etc.

> But you still have to watch out for 'gluten-free' mixes, and ready

> made food items as they can have some of the grains you should not

> eat in them still. You will become a champion label reader! Would

> you believe soy sauce is mainly made of wheat! Luckily, there are

> wheat-free soy sauces. Ask your doctor to refer you to a dietitian

> or nutritionist to help you with changing to a gluten free diet. Is

> there a Whole Foods market near you? They mark the items they carry

> as okay for a Celiac diet, Vegitarion, etc. It makes it much easier

> to find things okay for your diet. There are also a couple of Celiac

> groups on groups to help you.

>

> The endoscope procedure is to determine the amount of damage to your

> intestines. I believe that most of the time a small biopsy will be

> taken, but it will not cause you any pain.

>

> Good luck, and now that you know about the celiac you ARE going to

> feel better. You might want to set your husband to the Celiac

> contest of making the best tasting Pizza crust without wheat or

> gluten.

>

>

>

>

>

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