Guest guest Posted August 26, 2005 Report Share Posted August 26, 2005 fyi--the pharmacists (and manager) where i work up here in Seattle would like to know too. --- Lynda Riley <liriley7@...> wrote: Greeting Jeanetta The students at Apollo College in Portland,Oregon need you wisdom. We need to know why the drug Fioricet is not a controlled substance. Can you give us a hand. Thanks, Lynda " If the world were perfect, it wouldn't be. " - Yogi Berra ONLY AFTER YOU'VE LOST EVERYTHING ARE YOU FREE TO DO ANYTHING if you have the time to click on an e-mail link like this one: http://www.sendmoreinfo.com/ID/2425657 you really can earn some extra cash! ____________________________________________________ Start your day with - make it your home page http://www./r/hs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2005 Report Share Posted August 26, 2005 Lynda, It's something to do with the ability to separate the butalbital (sp?) from either aspirin or acetaminophen. With Fioricet (Butalbital, Acetaminophen, Caffeine) it's more difficult to separate the butalbital from the compound, so it's not controlled. With the Fiorinal (Butalbital, Aspirin, Caffeine) it's easier to separate the butalbital from the compound, so it's controlled. But I honestly can't remember when or where I learned it. Other than it seems like it's been in my brain forever. *blush* (Like using the general ending of 'cet' to know that it has acetaminophen in it, like Fioricet, Ultracet, etc) Della Fioricet -Question Greeting Jeanetta, The students at Apollo College in Portland,Oregon need you wisdom. We need to know why the drug Fioricet is not a controlled substance. Can you give us a hand. Thanks, Lynda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2005 Report Share Posted August 26, 2005 Also....The butalbital is potentiated by the ASA in fiorinal. -chris Lynda Riley <liriley7@...> wrote: Greeting Jeanetta, The students at Apollo College in Portland,Oregon need you wisdom. We need to know why the drug Fioricet is not a controlled substance. Can you give us a hand. Thanks, Lynda __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2005 Report Share Posted August 26, 2005 Dear Lunda and Apollo Students, I am going on memmory here and do not have the time right now to look to up but: Some time In the early l980’s (if my memory serves correctly), the federal govt created criteria to make an exception to the CSA for specific drugs that were combined with butalbital. This action is known as a declassification. IF the ratio of butalbital to acetaminophen met the new criteria it was not placed in (or removed from) the Controlled Substance list. Fioricet was on of the drugs that was declassified. So there is no schedule number for Fioricet. HOWEVER any state can reclassify this drug to a schedule such as a IV or IIII. I I am not mistaken a few states did this. In a similar but separate move, regarding codeine: A specific AMOUNT of codeine is NOT classified or scheduled and can be sold Over the Counter. However states can also place the low amounts or ANY amounts as a higher schedule at Class V. Most states that accepted the OTC status actually have a ‘behind the counter’ , show ID, sign the logbook policy. I hope this helps. If you have the time search the internet for Controlled Substance Act which will list the exact qantity of drug alone or in combinations that can be declassified. I would like to state that butalbital is still addictive at long term use of high levels. I hope this helps, If you find out anything else or if my memory is 'wrong' please let me know. Respectfully, Jeanetta Mastron CPhT BS Founder/Owner --- Lynda Riley <liriley7@...> wrote: > Greeting Jeanetta, > The students at Apollo College in Portland,Oregon > need you wisdom. We need to know why the drug > Fioricet is not a controlled substance. Can you give > us a hand. > Thanks, > Lynda > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2005 Report Share Posted August 26, 2005 Well While we are at it, let's get this straight: A. Fiorinal is CIII · codeine phosphate, USP 30 mg (1/2 gr) Warning: May be habit forming. · butalbital, USP 50 mg Warning: May be habit forming. · caffeine, USP 40 mg · aspirin, USP 325 mg The FIXED ratio or Combination of Butalbital is: caffeine 40 mg, butalbital 50 mg and ASA 325 mg. B. Fioricet is Rx only not scheduled and does NOT contain ASA. Three ingredients: butalbital*, USP 50 mg Warning: May be habit-forming. acetaminophen, USP 325 mg caffeine, USP 40 mg C. Fioricet with Codeine is Class III (4 ingredients) · codeine phosphate, USP 30 mg (1/2 gr) Warning: May be habit forming. · butalbital, USP 50 mg Warning: May be habit forming. · caffeine, USP 40 mg · APAP, USP 325 mg --- chris crigger <askewedview@...> wrote: > Also....The butalbital is potentiated by the ASA in > fiorinal. > > -chris > > Lynda Riley <liriley7@...> wrote: > Greeting Jeanetta, > The students at Apollo College in Portland,Oregon > need you wisdom. We need to know why the drug > Fioricet is not a controlled substance. Can you give > us a hand. > Thanks, > Lynda > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2005 Report Share Posted August 26, 2005 Sorry meant to a say this also: In addition criteria was set for a ratio of Butalbital with ASA. Jeanetta --- Jeanetta Mastron <rxjm2002@...> wrote: > Dear Lunda and Apollo Students, > > I am going on memmory here and do not have the time > right now to look to up but: > > Some time In the early l980’s (if my memory serves > correctly), the federal govt created criteria to > make > an exception to the CSA for specific drugs that were > combined with butalbital. This action is known as a > declassification. IF the ratio of butalbital to > acetaminophen met the new criteria it was not > placed > in (or removed from) the Controlled Substance list. > Fioricet was on of the drugs that was declassified. > So > there is no schedule number for Fioricet. HOWEVER > any > state can reclassify this drug to a schedule such as > a > IV or IIII. I I am not mistaken a few states did > this. > > In a similar but separate move, regarding codeine: A > specific AMOUNT of codeine is NOT classified or > scheduled and can be sold Over the Counter. However > states can also place the low amounts or ANY amounts > as a higher schedule at Class V. Most states that > accepted the OTC status actually have a ‘behind the > counter’ , show ID, sign the logbook policy. > > I hope this helps. If you have the time search the > internet for Controlled Substance Act which will > list > the exact qantity of drug alone or in combinations > that can be declassified. > > > I would like to state that butalbital is still > addictive at long term use of high levels. > > I hope this helps, > > If you find out anything else or if my memory is > 'wrong' please let me know. > > Respectfully, > > Jeanetta Mastron CPhT BS > Founder/Owner > > > > > --- Lynda Riley <liriley7@...> wrote: > > > Greeting Jeanetta, > > The students at Apollo College in Portland,Oregon > > need you wisdom. We need to know why the drug > > Fioricet is not a controlled substance. Can you > give > > us a hand. > > Thanks, > > Lynda > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2005 Report Share Posted August 26, 2005 If I may clarify - There are 4 drugs butabital / caffeine combination Fiorinal - this is a CIII - does not have codeine Fiorinal w/ codiene - this is a CIII - w/ codeine Fioricet - this is a legend drug (not controlled) - does not have codeine and Fioricet w/ codeine - this is a CIII - w/ codeine Jeanetta - you must have been thinking faster than you type again (brilliant minds do that) you listed Fiorinal as having codiene, but didn't list Fiorinal / Fiorinal w/ Codiene seperately Hope this helps. Anne LaVance, BS, CPhT Texpert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2005 Report Share Posted August 26, 2005 Dear karin, Curious how old/young is your RPh? some young ones may not knowunless a saavy prof taught them. J karin h <hockeykatbird_27@...> wrote: fyi--the pharmacists (and manager) where i work up here in Seattle would like to know too. --- Lynda Riley <liriley7@...> wrote: Greeting Jeanetta The students at Apollo College in Portland,Oregon need you wisdom. We need to know why the drug Fioricet is not a controlled substance. Can you give us a hand. Thanks, Lynda " If the world were perfect, it wouldn't be. " - Yogi Berra ONLY AFTER YOU'VE LOST EVERYTHING ARE YOU FREE TO DO ANYTHING if you have the time to click on an e-mail link like this one: http://www.sendmoreinfo.com/ID/2425657 you really can earn some extra cash! ____________________________________________________ Start your day with - make it your home page http://www./r/hs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2005 Report Share Posted August 26, 2005 Don't forget about Esgic, Esgic Plus, Phrenelin and Phrenelin Forte. -- To love what you do and feel that it matters - how could anything be more fun? -- Graham .. . . for my heart rejoiced in all my labour . . . Ecclesiastes 2:10 -------------- Original message -------------- Well While we are at it, let's get this straight: A. Fiorinal is CIII · codeine phosphate, USP 30 mg (1/2 gr) Warning: May be habit forming. · butalbital, USP 50 mg Warning: May be habit forming. · caffeine, USP 40 mg · aspirin, USP 325 mg The FIXED ratio or Combination of Butalbital is: caffeine 40 mg, butalbital 50 mg and ASA 325 mg. B. Fioricet is Rx only not scheduled and does NOT contain ASA. Three ingredients: butalbital*, USP 50 mg Warning: May be habit-forming. acetaminophen, USP 325 mg caffeine, USP 40 mg C. Fioricet with Codeine is Class III (4 ingredients) · codeine phosphate, USP 30 mg (1/2 gr) Warning: May be habit forming. · butalbital, USP 50 mg Warning: May be habit forming. · caffeine, USP 40 mg · APAP, USP 325 mg --- chris crigger <askewedview@...> wrote: > Also....The butalbital is potentiated by the ASA in > fiorinal. > > -chris > > Lynda Riley <liriley7@...> wrote: > Greeting Jeanetta, > The students at Apollo College in Portland,Oregon > need you wisdom. We need to know why the drug > Fioricet is not a controlled substance. Can you give > us a hand. > Thanks, > Lynda > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 27, 2005 Report Share Posted August 27, 2005 the manager is about 50 (guessing here, has kids younger than me) the pharmacist in question graduated in the 70s. the one who probably would have known wasn't there that day--he really knows his stuff, he's been a pharmacist since the 70s too. the rest have only been pharmacists about 5 years or less. --- Jeanetta Mastron <rxjm2002@...> wrote: Dear karin, Curious how old/young is your RPh? some young ones may not knowunless a saavy prof taught them. J karin h <hockeykatbird_27@...> wrote: fyi--the pharmacists (and manager) where i work up here in Seattle would like to know too. --- Lynda Riley <liriley7@...> wrote: Greeting Jeanetta The students at Apollo College in > Portland,Oregon need you wisdom. We need to know why > the drug Fioricet is not a controlled substance. Can > you give us a hand. > Thanks, > Lynda > > > " If the world were perfect, it wouldn't be. " > - Yogi Berra > > ONLY AFTER YOU'VE LOST EVERYTHING ARE YOU FREE TO DO > ANYTHING > > if you have the time to click on an e-mail link like > this one: http://www.sendmoreinfo.com/ID/2425657 > you really can earn some extra cash! > > > > ____________________________________________________ > Start your day with - make it your home page > http://www./r/hs > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 27, 2005 Report Share Posted August 27, 2005 Dear Karin, If he has been a pharmacist since 70's he w/sould remember, cuase this stuff was in early '80's. And you hit the money on the head, the younger RPh would not know unless an old prof informed them. But what matters is the use of the law, not recalling the dates. The why's are important toimplement thim IF you have a question. Jeanetta --- karin h <hockeykatbird_27@...> wrote: > the manager is about 50 (guessing here, has kids > younger than me) the pharmacist in question > graduated > in the 70s. the one who probably would have known > wasn't there that day--he really knows his stuff, > he's > been a pharmacist since the 70s too. the rest have > only been pharmacists about 5 years or less. > --- Jeanetta Mastron <rxjm2002@...> wrote: > Dear > karin, Curious how old/young is your RPh? some young > ones may not knowunless a saavy prof taught them. > J > karin h <hockeykatbird_27@...> wrote: > fyi--the > pharmacists (and manager) where i work up here in > Seattle would like to know too. > --- Lynda Riley <liriley7@...> wrote: > Greeting > Jeanetta The students at Apollo College in > > Portland,Oregon need you wisdom. We need to know > why > > the drug Fioricet is not a controlled substance. > Can > > you give us a hand. > > Thanks, > > Lynda > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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