Re: Hi - New

[Guest guest]

Don't need to know calculus and organic chem for sure.

A little of intro chemical nomenclature is helpful. Like what is

Magnesium Chloride?

etc. Very very basic.

Math from the top of head, u should brush up

1. arithmetic: addition, subtraction, multiplication, devision fractions,

2. Percents

2. ratios

3. Basic algebra like

1/4 = 2/X

what does X equal?

you will proly learn units, like 1000ml=1 liter

but if u want to memorize that ahead of time, go for it.

good luck

>

> Im not quite a pharmacy tech yet. I start classes in January at a

> local college. My interest is in hospital inpatient pharmacy with

> emphasis on compounding & admixture/ IV therapy.

>

> I used to work for Walmart Pharmacy a long time ago, but basically

> counted medications, helped customers & put away the McKesson order.

>

> My questions: Which subjects (sciences / maths) are a good foundation

> for learning this profession? I know that I will learn a great deal

> in school, but Im concerned that I will not be proficient in the math

> and science & will be behind the first day. Should i get some books

> from the library or bookstore and prepare now?

>

> Do I need to know calculus, algebra, chemistry, organic chem? I did

> not do well in these subjects when I was in high school (years ago)

> even when I took them in college I passed but didnt really comprehend

> Chemistry or Algebra... I never took Calculus.

>

> Sorry so long - Thanks

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Leah!

You do not need a formal chemistry glass or higher than basic math IF the

pharmacy technician program covers (and it should) such topics as they relate to

the job (rx tech duties).

The math that is called ratio/proportion is basic algebra, but you won't need

all the other basic algebra formulas that would be taught in a formal class. IN

MOST pharm tech programs they will teach you such math. Likewise you won't need

to know all there is to know from a formal 1 or 2 semester chemistry class. All

you will need to know is the basic definitions of ion, solution, electron, atom

and such and also and mainly the element and compound names that are used in

pharmacy mainly TPN's (Total Parenteral Nutritions). as welI. IF the school has

math and science requirements to graduate from the tech program that are in

addition to the program classes, then I would suggest algebra I and Introduction

to Chemistry or Chemistry for non-science majors.

When you say you start classes at local college, it sounds like a pharmacy

course. If it is general classes then take:

Basic algebra

Biology

Chemistry for Non-Science majors

Oral Communications /Speech Class

Psychology

IF you are taking a pharm tech course take what they require FIRST. What you

need will be in it.

Respectfully,

Jeanetta Mastron CPhT BS

Founder/Owner

Leah <leahnc725@...> wrote: Im not quite a

pharmacy tech yet. I start classes in January at a

local college. My interest is in hospital inpatient pharmacy with

emphasis on compounding & admixture/ IV therapy.

I used to work for Walmart Pharmacy a long time ago, but basically

counted medications, helped customers & put away the McKesson order.

My questions: Which subjects (sciences / maths) are a good foundation

for learning this profession? I know that I will learn a great deal

in school, but Im concerned that I will not be proficient in the math

and science & will be behind the first day. Should i get some books

from the library or bookstore and prepare now?

Do I need to know calculus, algebra, chemistry, organic chem? I did

not do well in these subjects when I was in high school (years ago)

even when I took them in college I passed but didnt really comprehend

Chemistry or Algebra... I never took Calculus.

Sorry so long - Thanks

[Guest guest]

Hi Jeanetta,

I know I will get your goat on this one and possibly you will not

allow this posting...but my question is...given what we now have as

far as individual state guidelines, national exam, etc., why is it so

important to pay tens of thousands of dollars for a Technician Program

that may or may not (as there are a great many " diploma mills " out

there), teach you something of value? What is the difference between

a Tech who passed the national exam, with NO formal education with an

800 plus score and a Tech who again paid tens of thousands of dollars

who barely passed the same exact exam with a score in the 600's?

Let's add the factor that they work at the same pharmacy? Is this

possible... more often times than you think.

My answer is simple as the one who had formal schooling also has tens

of thousands of dollars to pay back. While the one who did not go

this avenue, simply does not have a large debt to pay back. If these

techs work at the same pharmacy and earn the same wage...then what

value does formal education present?

Joe Medina, CPhT

[Guest guest]

Dear Joe and All,

I am on way to work to start a 9 hour shift teaching. So I have not time to

comment on this now, but I will rest assured!

In the mean time anyone else care to respond??? feel free! ESPECIALLY EDUCATORS!

Respectfully,

Jeanetta Mastron

Joe Medina <joemedina@...> wrote: Hi

Jeanetta,

I know I will get your goat on this one and possibly you will not

allow this posting...but my question is...given what we now have as

far as individual state guidelines, national exam, etc., why is it so

important to pay tens of thousands of dollars for a Technician Program

that may or may not (as there are a great many " diploma mills " out

there), teach you something of value? What is the difference between

a Tech who passed the national exam, with NO formal education with an

800 plus score and a Tech who again paid tens of thousands of dollars

who barely passed the same exact exam with a score in the 600's?

Let's add the factor that they work at the same pharmacy? Is this

possible... more often times than you think.

My answer is simple as the one who had formal schooling also has tens

of thousands of dollars to pay back. While the one who did not go

this avenue, simply does not have a large debt to pay back. If these

techs work at the same pharmacy and earn the same wage...then what

value does formal education present?

Joe Medina, CPhT

[Guest guest]

One simple value may be a caught medication error, that a trained and educated

technician may catch that a " 600 barely passed tech wouldnt " and a life saved.

One such story research the infant that died due to a error on the pharmacist

past for an IV with zinc added. The pharmacist typed 300 mg instead of

micrograms. The tech filled the prescription correctly according to the label.

The infant died because of infant toxicity. The technician did not question the

pharmacist prescription even though it required reconstituting 48-50 vials for

one IV.

Jeanetta Mastron <rxjm2002@...> wrote: Dear Joe and All,

I am on way to work to start a 9 hour shift teaching. So I have not time to

comment on this now, but I will rest assured!

In the mean time anyone else care to respond??? feel free! ESPECIALLY EDUCATORS!

Respectfully,

Jeanetta Mastron

Joe Medina <joemedina@...> wrote: Hi Jeanetta,

I know I will get your goat on this one and possibly you will not

allow this posting...but my question is...given what we now have as

far as individual state guidelines, national exam, etc., why is it so

important to pay tens of thousands of dollars for a Technician Program

that may or may not (as there are a great many " diploma mills " out

there), teach you something of value? What is the difference between

a Tech who passed the national exam, with NO formal education with an

800 plus score and a Tech who again paid tens of thousands of dollars

who barely passed the same exact exam with a score in the 600's?

Let's add the factor that they work at the same pharmacy? Is this

possible... more often times than you think.

My answer is simple as the one who had formal schooling also has tens

of thousands of dollars to pay back. While the one who did not go

this avenue, simply does not have a large debt to pay back. If these

techs work at the same pharmacy and earn the same wage...then what

value does formal education present?

Joe Medina, CPhT

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

This scenario is based on a Technician who barely passed the National

exam who went through a formal education program and a Technician who

studied on their own or had limited education from another source who

passed with a score in the 800's.

They work in the same pharmacy setting and make the same wage. With

this scenario, (which is more common than you think), what value does

the Technician have in being in debt for tens of thousands of dollars

for a formal education that may or may not have taught them something?

I bring this up mainly because without proper standardization of

Technician training programs, we are finding little value in formal

education versus one who learned on their own.

I am not one to be against formal education as I advocate for this

oftentimes, even in a recent Drug Topics issue.

http://www.drugtopics.com/drugtopics/article/articleDetail.jsp?id=429699 & searchS\

tring=joe%20medina

Just something to think about as I also am aware of programs that do

what they are suppose to do in educating Pharmacy Technicians with the

tools necessary in their chosen profession.

Joe Medina, CPhT

-----------

Hi - New

One simple value may be a caught medication error, that a trained and

educated technician may catch that a " 600 barely passed tech wouldnt "

and a life saved. One such story research the infant that died due to

a error on the pharmacist past for an IV with zinc added. The

pharmacist typed 300 mg instead of micrograms. The tech filled the

prescription correctly according to the label. The infant died because

of infant toxicity. The technician did not question the pharmacist

prescription even though it required reconstituting 48-50 vials for

one IV.

------------

Dear Joe and All,

I am on way to work to start a 9 hour shift teaching. So I have not

time to

comment on this now, but I will rest assured!

In the mean time anyone else care to respond??? feel free! ESPECIALLY

EDUCATORS!

Respectfully,

Jeanetta Mastron

-----------

Hi Jeanetta,

I know I will get your goat on this one and possibly you will not

allow this posting...but my question is...given what we now have as

far as individual state guidelines, national exam, etc., why is it so

important to pay tens of thousands of dollars for a Technician Program

that may or may not (as there are a great many " diploma mills " out

there), teach you something of value? What is the difference between

a Tech who passed the national exam, with NO formal education with an

800 plus score and a Tech who again paid tens of thousands of dollars

who barely passed the same exact exam with a score in the 600's?

Let's add the factor that they work at the same pharmacy? Is this

possible... more often times than you think.

My answer is simple as the one who had formal schooling also has tens

of thousands of dollars to pay back. While the one who did not go

this avenue, simply does not have a large debt to pay back. If these

techs work at the same pharmacy and earn the same wage...then what

value does formal education present?

Joe Medina, CPhT

[Guest guest]

Hi Joe I think you have pretty much nailed it again here !Thanks for

your always insightful input!Best Wishes April CPhT

>

> Hi Jeanetta,

>

> I know I will get your goat on this one and possibly you will not

> allow this posting...but my question is...given what we now have as

> far as individual state guidelines, national exam, etc., why is it

so

> important to pay tens of thousands of dollars for a Technician

Program

> that may or may not (as there are a great many " diploma mills " out

> there), teach you something of value? What is the difference

between

> a Tech who passed the national exam, with NO formal education with

an

> 800 plus score and a Tech who again paid tens of thousands of

dollars

> who barely passed the same exact exam with a score in the 600's?

> Let's add the factor that they work at the same pharmacy? Is this

> possible... more often times than you think.

>

> My answer is simple as the one who had formal schooling also has

tens

> of thousands of dollars to pay back. While the one who did not go

> this avenue, simply does not have a large debt to pay back. If

these

> techs work at the same pharmacy and earn the same wage...then what

> value does formal education present?

>

> Joe Medina, CPhT

>

[Guest guest]

Sorry I disagree with this nailing it on the head statement!

Joe is looking at this ONLY from a money point of view. Money wise he is asking

why should anyone pay such high costs for education. I agree cost could/should

come down.

But to ask why anyone needs and should have an education is Ridiculous ! He

knows it and admits it in his post: read it again.

I would WAGE my graduate TECHNICIAN against any " just read a book and passed the

exam only PERSON " any day ....whether he or she got 600 or 800! Hands on and

experience is the DIFFERENCE! That was Joe's question. And I will also say the

cost of the education. But getting a 600 is not ALWAYS reflective of the school

or education as I pointed out! It can and is most likely the reflection of a

person's ability to test well or not when under pressure. Diploma Mills still

teach the very minimum to pass the exam. And I agree then need to teach more or

be removed. But the graduate should be able to do 80 of the math and 72% of

the trade and generic, 72% of the law, 72% of any subject which is the lowest

PASSING! Which is 650 points. So the rest below the 72% is a poor test taker

OR a poor student Or just had a family member die OR or OR any number of things.

I have seen the curriculum of MANY so called diploma mills. They are BASIC yet

any one who took that course could and

should be able to pass the exam with a minimum score. Allow me to say that many

diploma mills do not have 'qualifying ' tests or other tools to decide upon

which applicants they should accept and are 'cut out' for becoming a technician

(see my list to begin with on a previous post), and there lies the BIGGEST

problem.

Scores mean you have knowledge and the test as it is is just not enough!

I will say this for the umpteenth time: Cosmetologists (hair dressers) take

harder exams or shall I say more meaningful exams with hands on practical exams,

law and didactic. What we need is an additional lab component exam.

But we also need BETTER SCHOOLS and I agree that DM's need to be squashed. But

all that aside, the question remains what is the difference between one who

went to school got 600 and one who studied on their own and got 800. The one

who got 800 can not perform immediately, does not have the advantage of any

experiences that the teacher has shared, including error prevention.

While MOST if not ALL of you are studying from this site and a book NO FORMAL

education will only AGREE with Joe due to the COST of EDUCATION, the truth is

that there are only 2 states that require it. And therefore are NO standards in

pharm tech education. Back in 1998/9 I asked for such and began to advocate for

such. In 2002 I told an audience of over 1500 that we need it, and here we are

still debating, EXCEPT NOW with ACPE . UNTIL there are standards schools will

have a choice to take advantage of techs (cost and education wise) or to teach

all that they need and then some and lower the cost.

Respectfully,

Jeanetta Mastron CPhT BS

Founder/Owner

pharmacytahsistechnician <auntieapey@...> wrote:

Hi Joe I think you have pretty much nailed it again here !Thanks for

your always insightful input!Best Wishes April CPhT

>

> Hi Jeanetta,

>

> I know I will get your goat on this one and possibly you will not

> allow this posting...but my question is...given what we now have as

> far as individual state guidelines, national exam, etc., why is it

so

> important to pay tens of thousands of dollars for a Technician

Program

> that may or may not (as there are a great many " diploma mills " out

> there), teach you something of value? What is the difference

between

> a Tech who passed the national exam, with NO formal education with

an

> 800 plus score and a Tech who again paid tens of thousands of

dollars

> who barely passed the same exact exam with a score in the 600's?

> Let's add the factor that they work at the same pharmacy? Is this

> possible... more often times than you think.

>

> My answer is simple as the one who had formal schooling also has

tens

> of thousands of dollars to pay back. While the one who did not go

> this avenue, simply does not have a large debt to pay back. If

these

> techs work at the same pharmacy and earn the same wage...then what

> value does formal education present?

>

> Joe Medina, CPhT

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Jeanetta,

Much can be learned on the job. A few months, if that long, will

easily make up the practical aspect received in the formal educational

program. So is the two month advantage worth the price of tuition?

Is your lecture on the prevention of medication errors worth a few

thousand dollars? Until we are guaranteed a SOLID and VALID education

of students....we will continue to make stabs of what is currently

available today.

As for one of your students going against one of my own students, who

spent around 200.00 total, I bet you will find results much closer

than you think. In this scenario we would test both didactic and

practical skills that ARE necessary skills to work in the pharmacy

setting.

This is fun....

Joe Medina, CPhT

--------------

....But we also need BETTER SCHOOLS and I agree that DM's need to be

squashed. But all that aside, the question remains what is the

difference between one who went to school got 600 and one who studied

on their own and got 800. The one who got 800 can not perform

immediately, does not have the advantage of any experiences that the

teacher has shared, including error prevention.

[Guest guest]

I have worked on pharmacy programs for schools that cost between $100 and

$25,000 and there was a difference in the amount of education. While I do

agree with Joe that paying $25,000 is a lot of money (the students graduate

with an AS degree not just a certificate) I also feel that as a teacher I

owed my students their money’s worth and did go into more detail in my

lesson plans and required more hands on activities.

There are several schools out there that are diploma mills and it absolutely

disgusts me as an educator that I have been asked to change or dumb down my

program so that more students can pass a class. My ethics and integrity

would not allow me to do that. As educators wherever we chose to work I feel

we have the obligation to raise the bar and set the highest standards for

our students. If I was in this for the money I could have sent hundreds of

technicians out there thinking they would learn whatever I didn’t teach them

on the job but I just couldn’t do that.

The programs in my experience at the lower costs schools are fewer hours and

many of them only cover the state requirements of 240 hours plus and

externship. This is not a lot of time to go into detail about much and I

encourage students to continue their education by attending seminars, taking

CE’s and taking additional classes at the local community college. I think

there should be basic standards in technician education. Would you want a

technician who was only trained in one retail pharmacy to get a job

preparing IV’s?

Since Pharmacy organizations and State legislation can’t seem to get it

together I feel it is up to us as educators to raise the bar and set the

standards.

Jule Barta

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[Guest guest]

YEAH! WELL SAID JULE!

Could not agree with you more!

For those who do not know Ms Jule Barta is a teacher in the Inland

Empire of California.

Jeanetta

>

> I have worked on pharmacy programs for schools that cost between

$100 and

> $25,000 and there was a difference in the amount of education. While

I do

> agree with Joe that paying $25,000 is a lot of money (the students

graduate

> with an AS degree not just a certificate) I also feel that as a

teacher I

> owed my students their money's worth and did go into more detail in my

> lesson plans and required more hands on activities.

> There are several schools out there that are diploma mills and it

absolutely

> disgusts me as an educator that I have been asked to change or dumb

down my

> program so that more students can pass a class. My ethics and integrity

> would not allow me to do that. As educators wherever we chose to

work I feel

> we have the obligation to raise the bar and set the highest

standards for

> our students. If I was in this for the money I could have sent

hundreds of

> technicians out there thinking they would learn whatever I didn't

teach them

> on the job but I just couldn't do that.

> The programs in my experience at the lower costs schools are fewer

hours and

> many of them only cover the state requirements of 240 hours plus and

> externship. This is not a lot of time to go into detail about much and I

> encourage students to continue their education by attending

seminars, taking

> CE's and taking additional classes at the local community college. I

think

> there should be basic standards in technician education. Would you

want a

> technician who was only trained in one retail pharmacy to get a job

> preparing IV's?

> Since Pharmacy organizations and State legislation can't seem to get it

> together I feel it is up to us as educators to raise the bar and set the

> standards.

>

> Jule Barta

>

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> 11:45 AM

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

thank you for saying the death in the family bit.

that was me. try passing the finals in all subjects

when BOTH your grandmothers were diagnosed with cancer

THAT week! I didn't realize it at the time, but I'm

glad my mom did and was able to convince the school to

give me another chance in the class I just could not

pass

--- Jeanetta Mastron <rxjm2002@...> wrote:

Sorry I disagree with this nailing it on the head

statement! Joe is looking at this ONLY from a money

point of view. Money wise he is asking why should

anyone pay such high costs for education. I agree

cost could/should come down. But to ask why anyone

needs and should have an education is Ridiculous ! He

knows it and admits it in his post: read it again.

I would WAGE my graduate TECHNICIAN against any " just

read a book and passed the exam only PERSON "

> any day ....whether he or she got 600 or 800! Hands

> on and experience is the DIFFERENCE! That was Joe's

> question. And I will also say the cost of the

> education. But getting a 600 is not ALWAYS

> reflective of the school or education as I pointed

> out! It can and is most likely the reflection of a

> person's ability to test well or not when under

> pressure. Diploma Mills still teach the very minimum

> to pass the exam. And I agree then need to teach

> more or be removed. But the graduate should be able

> to do 80 of the math and 72% of the trade and

> generic, 72% of the law, 72% of any subject which is

> the lowest PASSING! Which is 650 points. So the

> rest below the 72% is a poor test taker OR a poor

> student Or just had a family member die OR or OR any

> number of things. I have seen the curriculum of MANY

> so called diploma mills. They are BASIC yet any one

> who took that course could and

> should be able to pass the exam with a minimum

> score. Allow me to say that many diploma mills do

> not have 'qualifying ' tests or other tools to

> decide upon which applicants they should accept and

> are 'cut out' for becoming a technician (see my list

> to begin with on a previous post), and there lies

> the BIGGEST problem.

>

> Scores mean you have knowledge and the test as it

> is is just not enough!

>

> I will say this for the umpteenth time:

> Cosmetologists (hair dressers) take harder exams or

> shall I say more meaningful exams with hands on

> practical exams, law and didactic. What we need is

> an additional lab component exam.

>

> But we also need BETTER SCHOOLS and I agree that

> DM's need to be squashed. But all that aside, the

> question remains what is the difference between one

> who went to school got 600 and one who studied on

> their own and got 800. The one who got 800 can not

> perform immediately, does not have the advantage of

> any experiences that the teacher has shared,

> including error prevention.

>

> While MOST if not ALL of you are studying from this

> site and a book NO FORMAL education will only AGREE

> with Joe due to the COST of EDUCATION, the truth is

> that there are only 2 states that require it. And

> therefore are NO standards in pharm tech education.

> Back in 1998/9 I asked for such and began to

> advocate for such. In 2002 I told an audience of

> over 1500 that we need it, and here we are still

> debating, EXCEPT NOW with ACPE . UNTIL there are

> standards schools will have a choice to take

> advantage of techs (cost and education wise) or to

> teach all that they need and then some and lower the

> cost.

>

>

> Respectfully,

> Jeanetta Mastron CPhT BS

> Founder/Owner

>

>

>

>

>

> pharmacytahsistechnician <auntieapey@...>

> wrote: Hi Joe I think

> you have pretty much nailed it again here !Thanks

> for

> your always insightful input!Best Wishes April

> CPhT

> >

> > Hi Jeanetta,

> >

> > I know I will get your goat on this one and

> possibly you will not

> > allow this posting...but my question is...given

> what we now have as

> > far as individual state guidelines, national

> exam, etc., why is it

> so

> > important to pay tens of thousands of dollars for

> a Technician

> Program

> > that may or may not (as there are a great many

> " diploma mills " out

> > there), teach you something of value? What is

> the difference

> between

> > a Tech who passed the national exam, with NO

> formal education with

> an

> > 800 plus score and a Tech who again paid tens of

> thousands of

> dollars

> > who barely passed the same exact exam with a

> score in the 600's?

> > Let's add the factor that they work at the same

> pharmacy? Is this

> > possible... more often times than you think.

> >

> > My answer is simple as the one who had formal

> schooling also has

> tens

> > of thousands of dollars to pay back. While the

> one who did not go

> > this avenue, simply does not have a large debt to

> pay back. If

> these

> > techs work at the same pharmacy and earn the same

> wage...then what

> > value does formal education present?

> >

> > Joe Medina, CPhT

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

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You are welcome Karin!

My mom came to my rescue in a 4 yr college in my first semester she called my

Chem Prof to post pone my chemistry final! I was mortified and relieved. My

grandma had died. The Prof was Italian and so am I and he gave an unusual

consideration.

It happens all the time!

Jeanetta

karin h <hockeykatbird_27@...> wrote:

thank you for saying the death in the family bit.

that was me. try passing the finals in all subjects

when BOTH your grandmothers were diagnosed with cancer

THAT week! I didn't realize it at the time, but I'm

glad my mom did and was able to convince the school to

give me another chance in the class I just could not

pass

--- Jeanetta Mastron <rxjm2002@...> wrote:

Sorry I disagree with this nailing it on the head

statement! Joe is looking at this ONLY from a money

point of view. Money wise he is asking why should

anyone pay such high costs for education. I agree

cost could/should come down. But to ask why anyone

needs and should have an education is Ridiculous ! He

knows it and admits it in his post: read it again.

I would WAGE my graduate TECHNICIAN against any " just

read a book and passed the exam only PERSON "

> any day ....whether he or she got 600 or 800! Hands

> on and experience is the DIFFERENCE! That was Joe's

> question. And I will also say the cost of the

> education. But getting a 600 is not ALWAYS

> reflective of the school or education as I pointed

> out! It can and is most likely the reflection of a

> person's ability to test well or not when under

> pressure. Diploma Mills still teach the very minimum

> to pass the exam. And I agree then need to teach

> more or be removed. But the graduate should be able

> to do 80 of the math and 72% of the trade and

> generic, 72% of the law, 72% of any subject which is

> the lowest PASSING! Which is 650 points. So the

> rest below the 72% is a poor test taker OR a poor

> student Or just had a family member die OR or OR any

> number of things. I have seen the curriculum of MANY

> so called diploma mills. They are BASIC yet any one

> who took that course could and

> should be able to pass the exam with a minimum

> score. Allow me to say that many diploma mills do

> not have 'qualifying ' tests or other tools to

> decide upon which applicants they should accept and

> are 'cut out' for becoming a technician (see my list

> to begin with on a previous post), and there lies

> the BIGGEST problem.

>

> Scores mean you have knowledge and the test as it

> is is just not enough!

>

> I will say this for the umpteenth time:

> Cosmetologists (hair dressers) take harder exams or

> shall I say more meaningful exams with hands on

> practical exams, law and didactic. What we need is

> an additional lab component exam.

>

> But we also need BETTER SCHOOLS and I agree that

> DM's need to be squashed. But all that aside, the

> question remains what is the difference between one

> who went to school got 600 and one who studied on

> their own and got 800. The one who got 800 can not

> perform immediately, does not have the advantage of

> any experiences that the teacher has shared,

> including error prevention.

>

> While MOST if not ALL of you are studying from this

> site and a book NO FORMAL education will only AGREE

> with Joe due to the COST of EDUCATION, the truth is

> that there are only 2 states that require it. And

> therefore are NO standards in pharm tech education.

> Back in 1998/9 I asked for such and began to

> advocate for such. In 2002 I told an audience of

> over 1500 that we need it, and here we are still

> debating, EXCEPT NOW with ACPE . UNTIL there are

> standards schools will have a choice to take

> advantage of techs (cost and education wise) or to

> teach all that they need and then some and lower the

> cost.

>

>

> Respectfully,

> Jeanetta Mastron CPhT BS

> Founder/Owner

>

>

>

>

>

> pharmacytahsistechnician <auntieapey@...>

> wrote: Hi Joe I think

> you have pretty much nailed it again here !Thanks

> for

> your always insightful input!Best Wishes April

> CPhT

> >

> > Hi Jeanetta,

> >

> > I know I will get your goat on this one and

> possibly you will not

> > allow this posting...but my question is...given

> what we now have as

> > far as individual state guidelines, national

> exam, etc., why is it

> so

> > important to pay tens of thousands of dollars for

> a Technician

> Program

> > that may or may not (as there are a great many

> " diploma mills " out

> > there), teach you something of value? What is

> the difference

> between

> > a Tech who passed the national exam, with NO

> formal education with

> an

> > 800 plus score and a Tech who again paid tens of

> thousands of

> dollars

> > who barely passed the same exact exam with a

> score in the 600's?

> > Let's add the factor that they work at the same

> pharmacy? Is this

> > possible... more often times than you think.

> >

> > My answer is simple as the one who had formal

> schooling also has

> tens

> > of thousands of dollars to pay back. While the

> one who did not go

> > this avenue, simply does not have a large debt to

> pay back. If

> these

> > techs work at the same pharmacy and earn the same

> wage...then what

> > value does formal education present?

> >

> > Joe Medina, CPhT

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

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>

>

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