IV CHELATION

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In a message dated 18/01/2006 17:15:35 GMT Standard Time, peta_catherine@... writes:

Hi, has anyone on this site had any personal experience of IV chelation with DMPS? Is it the DMPS in the IV that worries people or IV full stop.

>>>For me its the IV and the non ability to do anything about getting out what you put in if it doesn't suit. One bolus dose mobilising many metals and the bodies limited capacity to detox those safely out. I am not aware of any evidence that cosntantly stirring up metals means more will be excreted and that the ensuing oxidative stress is a adequately dealt with, Vitamin C or not.

However, I was VERY tempted by EDTA IV, on the basis that I never heard anywhere of a problem with it.................until Tariq, even though the jungle drums said wrong type of EDTA right after it happened.

Boyd said 50 grams of vitamin C minimum to possibly chelate. He has never seen it done - just read about it from years ago.

I do feel that what we presently do orally or transdermally will become archaeic iin the future, though its been 50 years+ people have been using the agents we use.

My new years resolution is to get those last two teeth done and then I can finally start trying this stuff - arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh scares me silly!!

Mandi x

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In a message dated 18/01/2006 17:15:35 GMT Standard Time, peta_catherine@... writes:

We went to the States in Nov and had 2 lots of IV and 10 sessions of HBOT. Since then Charlie has started copying his brother all the time and plays games with him like cards not just rough and tumble. When we have kids round he plays with them for 3/4 of the time as opposed to 1/4 of the time before. He is answering some questions and commenting on things - language really has improved. I took his brother swimming and Charlie asked "did you enjoy swimming Ross". IV and Hbot have improved him the most so far. He is also on the diet and millions of supplements a day! - well it seems like that. -

>>>Great news, hoever he came by the gains, very exciting!

Mandi x

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True, most of the methods we use today, were at one time, experimental. We owe the low/frequent dose method to parents who have gone before us. And the transdermal methods a lot of us have used and had benefit from.

Each parent has to do their own research and search themselves for what they are comfortable with. I'm definitely not a risk taker, by nature. Not making a value judgement or saying I care more, just always have liked the safe way. Much, much easier on my nerves, and even the safe way has probably taken a few years off my life.

Having said that, if she hadn't responded to the safe way, I can see using more extreme methods. Most of you here have siblings to take care for your guys. Our little one is an only child of an only child. There is noone to entrust with her care when we are gone. There is no choice here, but for her to be strong enough to take care of herself, as someday she will be alone.

I wish you the best ,

IV Chelation

Hi there seems to be a lot of opposing views about IV, but could it be that the IV's that drs are doing in the States is another progression to helping our kids. After all DAN drs are continually researching and coming up with new stuuf - thats how chelation started in the first place. Just a thought.Peta

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I agree we all need to keep our eyes and minds open and not dismiss a

whole method of adminstration out of hand. It really depends what's in

the IV. Dr Usman is using IV-EDTA to good effect to get rid of lead,

for example (or was, before the drug error tragedy we read about

earlier today). I've heard Boyd Hayley talk fondly about of IV-vit C.

IV-dmps is quite another matter

Sharon

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> Hi there seems to be a lot of opposing views about IV, but could it

be

> that the IV's that drs are doing in the States is another progression

> to helping our kids. After all DAN drs are continually researching

and

> coming up with new stuuf - thats how chelation started in the first

> place. Just a thought.

> Peta

>

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Hi, has anyone on this site had any personal experience of IV

chelation with DMPS? Is it the DMPS in the IV that worries people or

IV full stop.

I am trying to research as much as possible and not just accept what

our dr says - though I do think he is very good.

We went to the States in Nov and had 2 lots of IV and 10 sessions of

HBOT. Since then Charlie has started copying his brother all the

time and plays games with him like cards not just rough and tumble.

When we have kids round he plays with them for 3/4 of the time as

opposed to 1/4 of the time before. He is answering some questions

and commenting on things - language really has improved. I took his

brother swimming and Charlie asked " did you enjoy swimming Ross " . IV

and Hbot have improved him the most so far. He is also on the diet

and millions of supplements a day! - well it seems like that. -

Peta

-- In Autism Treatment , " sharon_asd_uk "

<sharon_asd_uk@h...> wrote:

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> I agree we all need to keep our eyes and minds open and not

dismiss a

> whole method of adminstration out of hand. It really depends

what's in

> the IV. Dr Usman is using IV-EDTA to good effect to get rid of

lead,

> for example (or was, before the drug error tragedy we read about

> earlier today). I've heard Boyd Hayley talk fondly about of IV-

vit C.

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> IV-dmps is quite another matter

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> Sharon

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> > Hi there seems to be a lot of opposing views about IV, but could

it

> be

> > that the IV's that drs are doing in the States is another

progression

> > to helping our kids. After all DAN drs are continually

researching

> and

> > coming up with new stuuf - thats how chelation started in the

first

> > place. Just a thought.

> > Peta

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> >>>For me its the IV and the non ability to do anything about

getting out

> what you put in if it doesn't suit. One bolus dose mobilising many

metals and

> the bodies limited capacity to detox those safely out. I am not

aware of any

> evidence that cosntantly stirring up metals means more will be

excreted and

> that the ensuing oxidative stress is a adequately dealt with,

Vitamin C or not.

Mandi, I agree, very well put.

Margaret

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In a message dated 19/01/2006 16:46:37 GMT Standard Time, sallygeorge@... writes:

I spokewith a lady this week from California who is moving to London and shewas saying that her child received DMPS injections that were from theHeyl Pharmaceutical Co in Berlin (she had them in Dallas) and that theGermans really know what they are doing with chelation etc...

>>>Heyl made all the DMPS that was being used in the States, until Buttar becase they don't like his TD version. Buttar buys in from China apparently now. They shtopped selling to US compounding pharmacies because of this.

Mandi x

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In a message dated 19/01/2006 16:46:37 GMT Standard Time, sallygeorge@... writes:

I agree that our children are guinea pigs really and we have to takesome risks in going down any route. It is very interesting to all ofus I am sure, to hear reports from people using an alternative methodof treatment, so we can all learn from each other.

>>>Yes Indeedy, vest way to learn

Mandi x

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Hi Peta, yes I was interested in this also DMPS injections. I spoke

with a lady this week from California who is moving to London and she

was saying that her child received DMPS injections that were from the

Heyl Pharmaceutical Co in Berlin (she had them in Dallas) and that the

Germans really know what they are doing with chelation etc... and that

their stuff really gets deep into the tissues of the body and clears

out the mercury effectively. Her son was 9 and after she had done

this she then saw Dr Aguilar in Mexico (which is where she got my

number) and his treatment worked very well. Her son went from two

words to 10 word sentences in 6 months of his treatment.

Now I have seeing Dr Heard and really am going along the Dan route and

I really believe the frequent low does approach especially after

reading what A Cutler has to say on the subject. He comes across as

someone who really knows what they are talking about, IMO.

I agree that our children are guinea pigs really and we have to take

some risks in going down any route. It is very interesting to all of

us I am sure, to hear reports from people using an alternative method

of treatment, so we can all learn from each other.

Sally in Manchester

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> In a message dated 18/01/2006 17:15:35 GMT Standard Time,

> peta_catherine@y... writes:

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> Hi, has anyone on this site had any personal experience of IV

> chelation with DMPS? Is it the DMPS in the IV that worries people

or

> IV full stop.

Depends which people. For me, personally, I would recommend

AGAINST use of ANY CHELATION AGENT via IV (or injection).

BAD BAD BAD.

I would only recommend using ANY CHELATION AGENT in small

frequent doses.

http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/Andy_dose_sched.html

Which chelation agent depends on what metals. But NONE

by IV, ever, IMO.

> Boyd said 50 grams of vitamin C minimum to possibly chelate. He

has never

> seen it done - just read about it from years ago.

I've heard Boyd talk about stuff about vitamin C being the

only possible chelation agent for brain merc (or I think that

is what he said, it was years ago that I listened to his

talk) --- and this was speculative---

Anyway, I think he is wrong about it.

I don't think vitamin C is gonna chelate mercury.

However, if it did, Bob Cathcart's vitamin C methods would

be where to look. Too bad we would not be able to tell if

it worked though (We could do brain autopsies after all the

people have died?)

I'm currently taking about 60+ GRAMS of vitamin C a day

(orally). (I'm ill.)

good wishes,

Moria

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I did IV DMPS chelation every other week for a year before I found out how

dangerous they can be and didn't feel any better after all that and my urine

results were showing even higher levels than when I started. I'm now doing oral

chelation, following Cutler's protocol and feel it's a MUCH more

effective and safer method of pulling out heavy metals. You can find out much

more about the protocol at these websites and chat groups:

http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/

http://www.dmpsbackfire.com/default.shtml

frequent-dose-chelation/

adult-metal-chelation/

Good luck,

ka

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> Has anyone gone through IV chelation? This was recommended by the doctor I

> see who is iodine literate. I would like to be in touch with someone who

> has done it. The doctor feels that taking oral chelation tablets for my

> high mercury and lead would take years and years to accomplish what once a

> week, for 30 weeks of IV chelation can do.

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> -- Michele

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I just got an out-of-range test result for lead. It doesn't help that I found a

site that says the DMSA provocation test is a scam.

No doubt my doctor is going to suggest IV chelation. I'm so tired and

fuzzy-headed I'm tempted to go for it. Not that I can afford it.

ka - do you get up in the middle of the night to take your chelator? Michele

- what did you do and how are you feeling now? Anybody else?

Thanks,

Paige

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> > Has anyone gone through IV chelation? This was recommended by the doctor I

> > see who is iodine literate. I would like to be in touch with someone who

> > has done it. The doctor feels that taking oral chelation tablets for my

> > high mercury and lead would take years and years to accomplish what once a

> > week, for 30 weeks of IV chelation can do.

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> > -- Michele

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Have you looked into OSR?AnneOn Dec 18, 2009, at 12:20 PM, Paige wrote: I just got an out-of-range test result for lead. It doesn't help that I found a site that says the DMSA provocation test is a scam. No doubt my doctor is going to suggest IV chelation. I'm so tired and fuzzy-headed I'm tempted to go for it. Not that I can afford it. ka - do you get up in the middle of the night to take your chelator? Michele - what did you do and how are you feeling now? Anybody else? Thanks, Paige > > > > Has anyone gone through IV chelation? This was recommended by the doctor I > > see who is iodine literate. I would like to be in touch with someone who > > has done it. The doctor feels that taking oral chelation tablets for my > > high mercury and lead would take years and years to accomplish what once a > > week, for 30 weeks of IV chelation can do. > > > > -- Michele > > >

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Thanks - haven't heard of OSR. I'll look into it.

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> > > > Has anyone gone through IV chelation? This was recommended by

> > the doctor I

> > > > see who is iodine literate. I would like to be in touch with

> > someone who

> > > > has done it. The doctor feels that taking oral chelation

> > tablets for my

> > > > high mercury and lead would take years and years to accomplish

> > what once a

> > > > week, for 30 weeks of IV chelation can do.

> > > >

> > > > -- Michele

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I went through IV chelation this summer. I had been trying to conceive and

miscarried 3 times. Finally someone suggested I have my mercury fillings out and

be tested for heavy metal toxicity. Turns out I was very toxic with very

elevated levels of mercury, lead and aluminum.

I went to my naturopath weekly for IV EDTA (11 doses in total) and DMPS (5 doses

in total). Along with the chelation, she gave me IV infusions of glutathione and

vit C. Occasionally (maybe twice?) she gave me an IV infusion of minerals. She

also checked my creatinine after 5 treatments (which came back well within

normal limits). After 3 months, she retested my levels (with a challenge test of

DMPS and EDTA and 24 hr urine collection through Doctor's Data in Chicago).

Mercury and lead were down to 'normal', but the aluminum is still slightly above

the normal cut off.

Overall, I had no ill effects from the chelation. I combined it with many

supplements (NAC, chlorella, sodium alginate, vit C, B's, calcium, selenium,

zinc, etc), infrared sauna (3 times per week, inc immediately following the

chelation) and japanese foot pads with zeolite (the jury's out on these, but I'm

convinced they helped).

I believe IV chelation can be very safe provided that the person administering

it knows what they're doing.

Sue

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> Has anyone gone through IV chelation? This was recommended by the doctor I

> see who is iodine literate. I would like to be in touch with someone who

> has done it. The doctor feels that taking oral chelation tablets for my

> high mercury and lead would take years and years to accomplish what once a

> week, for 30 weeks of IV chelation can do.

>

> -- Michele

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I've done about 75 IV EDTA chelations for very high mercury and lead

over the past 6 years. While they helped a lot, I believe they may

have caused more mobilization and damage than necessary. I am now

dealing with adrenal and thyroid issues that may have been avoided.

When I resume chelation, I will be following Andy Cutler's frequent,

low-dose oral chelation protocol instead.

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MY WIFE HAS BEEN REFERRED TO A DOCTOR THAT DOES IV CHELATION FOR MERCURY

TOXICITY.  ANY THOUGHTS FROM ANYONE ON THIS SUBJECT?  THE PER

SON THAT REFERRED HER SAID HER 6 WEEK THERAPY WAS SUCCESSFUL.    MIKE

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IV chelation done with DMPS?

Boyd Haley has an oral product called OSR that supposedly is the best

for not dropping mercury on the way out of the body. Everything else

does drop it (EDTA, cilantro, DMSA, DMPS, etc...)

http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1386716

Klinghard liked the DMPS Challenge but according to a recent interview

with Dr. Mercola, is recommending the OSR.

OSR- Oxidative Stress Relief - N1, N3-BIS (2-

mercaptoethyl)isophthalamide

http://www.biopureus.com/store.html

The big risk in doing an aggressive detox is that the body has to

process everything kicked up by the chelators! That means that your

liver, kidneys are going to be maxxed out if not already AND there is

going to be mercury going every where (brain, other organs, etc.) You

will have to do all kinds of other supplements to keep from frying

yourself (Vitamin C, magnesium, Chlorella, OSR, ALA, etc.)

This topic is so damn complex. This doesn't even address all the bugs,

fungus, microbes, bacteria that live off the mercury and other metals

and how to handle them!

I recommend reading up on Klinghardts protocols. See the notes below.

http://www.selfhealth.co.uk/Cleansing-Detox-according-to-Dr-Dietrich-Klinghardt-\

MD-PhD.html

http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:Cqjdl4C0xGAJ:www.klinghardtneurobiology.com/\

KlinghardtAutism2008Derksen.pdf+klinghardt+mercury+detox+OSR+protocol & cd=9 & hl=en\

& ct=clnk & gl=us & client=firefox-a

I think a prudent way to go forward is do a month or two of cell wall

and gut wall lining reinforcing with Krill Oil, Butyrate and anything

that will help the integrity of the blood brain barrier and intestinal

walls.

This is to ensure that there is less REtoxing of the body.

Get on an exercise regimen of sweating so the liver/kidneys don't have

to process everything.

Do a colon cleanse and other light clearings to get the surface level

junk out of the system.

GO SLOW!

If you are absolutely sure that there is no leaky gut, celiac, etc.

then maybe your wife will be OK with a DMPS 6 month hit.

I think a detox should take from 2 to 10 years. Anything shorter and

you are going to pay for it.

Notes – DK 2008 Autism Conference Deitrich Klinghardt, MD

www.lymeinducedautism.com/images/Klinghardt_Conference_Notes.pdf

It takes 7 years on the best detox program to deplete the body of half

the toxic metals. You want to see the toxic metals getting more and

more in the hair because it is leaving the body. Low sulphur levels =

no detox, but get it up before detoxifying. Chlorella is a non-sulphur

detox mechanism and CA-EDTA , free up sulphur containing enzymes and

monitor with hair. If sodium potassium is the same then don’t worry,

but if they are different then patient has adrenal

dysfunction….medical grade cortisol will help. Reference values in

children are not accurate. Low dose cortisol immune booster – high

dose suppresses immune system.

On a hair test if you don’t see something coming out then that is what

they are holding on to and that’s what needs to be treated. Treat what

is NOT coming out. IV DMPS only gets mercury out of the kidneys, only.

DMSA detoxifies the liver. CA-EDTA – suppository with dramatic effects…

250mg for kids, 750mg women, 1000mg - 3 x week. For about 6 months.

99% of microbes of lyme live in the gut.

DMPS may be pulling mold toxins and lyme neurotoxins.

Porphyrin test – pre-corpyporhyrin – mercury, no challenge, direct

correlation, shows improvement. If they aren’t excreting, locked in

brain, porphyrins won’t be high. No test to show body burden of mercury.

Kids need glycine – assume they have toxicity. (which type) Well with

methyl b12 – di or tri-methyl-glycine. Test with cryon research.

Sauna detox – if kid doesn’t like sauna they have active lyme disease.

If they like the sauna then the lyme is under control.

d-penicillamine detoxes central nervous system. Jaffe protocol

www.perck.com

Vitamin diagnostics – good company to work with for ASD

Biotoxins can live for 30 years after bugs are dead. Bugs produce more

biotoxins when you introduce an agent that threatens the bugs.

On Feb 8, 2010, at 2:04 PM, angela england wrote:

> MY WIFE HAS BEEN REFERRED TO A DOCTOR THAT DOES IV CHELATION FOR

> MERCURY TOXICITY. ANY THOUGHTS FROM ANYONE ON THIS SUBJECT? THE PER

> SON THAT REFERRED HER SAID HER 6 WEEK THERAPY WAS SUCCESSFUL. MIKE

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