Re: Re: Re: eczema

[Guest guest]

In studies done by Kane it has been found that many people are

deficient in GLA and not EPA. This was certainly the case for me and my

eczema improved overnight with GLA.

Re: Re: Eczema

>

>> GLA, evening primrose or borage oil really helped my eczema

>

> GLA is a strong inflammation increaser unless EPA is present to

> block its conversion to AA.

>

> A better answer is to take wild salmon oil, cold liver oil or

> fish oil for the EPA and DHA, and also the GLA or Borage oil to

> further reduce inflammation. Cold liver etc. oil has been used on

> its own to reduce symptoms of esential fatty acid imbalance like

> eczema.

>

> This is explained fully with references by fatty acids expert Dr.

> Floyd Chilton, in his betselling book Inflammation Nation.

>

> Duncan

>

>

>

> Note: This forum is for discussion of health related subjects but under no

> circumstances should any information published here be considered a

> substitute for personal medical advice from a qualified physician. -the

> owner

>

[Guest guest]

jl@... wrote:

> In studies done by Kane it has been found that many people are

> deficient in GLA and not EPA. This was certainly the case for me and my

> eczema improved overnight with GLA.

We all need ALL the relevant fatty acids - and a way to absorb them, so

those include:

* Oleic acid (omega-9 in extra virgin olive oil) and some in rice bran -

which helps open the cell walls to let in the omega-3's.

* Omega-3's from fish oil (docosahexaenoic acid and eicosapentaenoic acid)

* Linolenic acid (omega-3) in active form:

Here's where the GLA comes in - it is the active form, gamma linolenic

acid, and some people have enough delta-6-desaturase enzyme to activate

fatty acids to active form themselves and others like you and I who lack

sufficient enzyme, need the fatty acids in ready to use active form such

as in GLA from blackcurrant oil (for type O blood groups). Evening

primrose and borage oils also have GLA it.

(Delta-6-desaturase is blocked by cortisol so people under stress do not

have enough; also it decreases with age; it is lower in women; it is

also blocked in people with eczema as you discovered. People with eczema

usually can't convert omega-6 oils to activated alpha linoleic acid either.)

* We also need linoleic acid (omega-6) but NOT too much compared with

the others listed. (And it needs to be active form so as to make the

other fatty acids we need). Most diets have too much Omega-6 (such as

from vegetable oils) and nowhere near enough EPA and DHA and linolenic.

(the omega-3's).

There are near two dozen fatty acids but the body manufacturers them

from the above components. Only a few need to be supplied for sure in

good amounts.

ANY shortage of fatty acids will cause eczema and so will a shortage or

imbalance of B vitamins. The skin is actually out biggest organ and it

shows up nutrient deficiencies and imbalances quite readily.

The smart thing is to figure what's deficient and fix it, because

if you suppress the skin eruption (such as with steroids) you drive the

disease process internally where it can do more damage.

Skin problems may not LOOK nice (or feel nice) but they are the

mildest form of chronic disease. The body TRIES to keep disease at the

surface - and it goes deeper only if suppressed with drugs that prevent

healing as opposed to nutrients that promote it.

Namaste,

Irene

--

Irene de Villiers, B.Sc, AASCA, MCSSA, D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.

P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.

www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)

Proverb:Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it.

[Guest guest]

Yes I agree we all need the correct fatty acids and I now take fish oil too

but the point of Kanes work is that if you are deficient in GLA you must get

your levels up first before introducing EPA/DHA or you will never achieve a

good balance

Re: Re: Re: Eczema

>

>

> jl@... wrote:

>> In studies done by Kane it has been found that many people are

>> deficient in GLA and not EPA. This was certainly the case for me and my

>> eczema improved overnight with GLA.

>

> We all need ALL the relevant fatty acids - and a way to absorb them, so

> those include:

> * Oleic acid (omega-9 in extra virgin olive oil) and some in rice bran -

> which helps open the cell walls to let in the omega-3's.

> * Omega-3's from fish oil (docosahexaenoic acid and eicosapentaenoic acid)

> * Linolenic acid (omega-3) in active form:

> Here's where the GLA comes in - it is the active form, gamma linolenic

> acid, and some people have enough delta-6-desaturase enzyme to activate

> fatty acids to active form themselves and others like you and I who lack

> sufficient enzyme, need the fatty acids in ready to use active form such

> as in GLA from blackcurrant oil (for type O blood groups). Evening

> primrose and borage oils also have GLA it.

> (Delta-6-desaturase is blocked by cortisol so people under stress do not

> have enough; also it decreases with age; it is lower in women; it is

> also blocked in people with eczema as you discovered. People with eczema

> usually can't convert omega-6 oils to activated alpha linoleic acid

> either.)

> * We also need linoleic acid (omega-6) but NOT too much compared with

> the others listed. (And it needs to be active form so as to make the

> other fatty acids we need). Most diets have too much Omega-6 (such as

> from vegetable oils) and nowhere near enough EPA and DHA and linolenic.

> (the omega-3's).

>

> There are near two dozen fatty acids but the body manufacturers them

> from the above components. Only a few need to be supplied for sure in

> good amounts.

> ANY shortage of fatty acids will cause eczema and so will a shortage or

> imbalance of B vitamins. The skin is actually out biggest organ and it

> shows up nutrient deficiencies and imbalances quite readily.

> The smart thing is to figure what's deficient and fix it, because

> if you suppress the skin eruption (such as with steroids) you drive the

> disease process internally where it can do more damage.

> Skin problems may not LOOK nice (or feel nice) but they are the

> mildest form of chronic disease. The body TRIES to keep disease at the

> surface - and it goes deeper only if suppressed with drugs that prevent

> healing as opposed to nutrients that promote it.

>

> Namaste,

> Irene

> --

> Irene de Villiers, B.Sc, AASCA, MCSSA, D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.

> P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.

> www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)

> Proverb:Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it.

>

>

>

>

> Note: This forum is for discussion of health related subjects but under no

> circumstances should any information published here be considered a

> substitute for personal medical advice from a qualified physician. -the

> owner

>

[Guest guest]

Duncan Crow wrote:

> Yes you CAN get too much olive oil. It should be stressed that

> the statement above is not true, and olive oil is actually pro-

> inflammatory.

Duncan that is just not true!!!

EV Olive oil is an ANTI-inflammatory as you can get @^ & *%!

What have you been misreading?

:-))

> Extra virgin olive oil contains a 13:1 ratio of linoleic to

> linolenic.

Which is why you do not use it as a source of linolenic. That's not the

reason to eat it!!! It's the omega-9 *oleic acid* which is the important

fatty acid in olive oil, and extra virgin olive oil has the most.

> The " supposed " anti-inflammatory component in these foods,

> linolenic acid ALA

No you are misinformed - linolenic is inflammatory not

anti-inflammatory. Only the fish oil omega-3s are anti-inflammatory, EPA

and DHA. So it is smart to get your linoleic from olive oil and your

omega-3s from fish oil supplements - and only gamma linolenic acid as

active linolenic from something like blackcurrant oil. That combination

gives you the highest anti-inflammatory result.

What's anti-inflammatory in Extra virgin olive oil (EVO for short) is

the oleic acid (omega-9). This is essential for the body to be able to

make use of any omega-3 and omega-6 fatty acids as it is the door opener

for their use - it allows them to enter the cells. Leave it out and the

others like EPA and DHA can't work properly - so it is an essential part

of that partnership.

EVO's oily fraction is thus very anti-inflammatory and also

stabilizes the cell membrane to allow other functions to take place well

and to make cells healthy -= skin and hair and nails are thus most

easily seen visibly, but it does good things to all cells.

Apart from the oil fraction in EVO there is the other beneficial

fraction for anti-inflammatory action containing such components as

beta-carotene and and the olive oil polyphenols, one of which -

hydroxytyrosol - is the most powerful and not really found anywhere

else. (It's also highest in EVO from the Mediterranean region especially

Spain.)

Despite being present only in tiny amounts it is so powerful as an

anti-oxidant that it outshines the rest. It stabilizes the cell plasma

membrane, and slows ageing. It's also great for skin and hair and nails

by helping the cell plasma membrane, preventing keratin oxidation.

It's not for nothing olive trees grow to be some of the oldest trees in

the world:-))

Research proves (as if we didn't know for people in the Mediterranean

who use it regularly) EVo does the following among other benefits:

* Increases skin ability to retain moisture

* Evens out colour, increases radiance if applied topically.

* Decreases LDL

* Increases HDL

* Helps intestinal absorption of nutrients

* Helps gallbladder activity

* Lowers blood pressure

* Decreases gastric acid secretion in ulcers

* Lowers chance of gallstones

* Stimulates pancreas secretion

* Aids bone development in children

* Prevents osteoporosis

* Lowers glucose levels in diabetes

* Reduces prostate cancer risk

* Reduces breast cancer risk

* Prevents water retention (edema)

* Prevents tumour promotion

* Beneficial to diabetes

* Prevents colon cancer.

* Protects the heart from cardiovascular disease.

* Lowers triglycerides

* Lowers blood pressure

* Decreases platelet stickiness

* Decreases heart attacks

* Decreases heat attack complications.

There's more but my typing fingers are getting tired:-)

> The ALA component is " commonly thought to be " a beneficial

> precursor to EPA and DHA that can replace fish oil.

That's not valid. The human body has a mechanism that prevents

conversion of very much fatty acid to DHA and EPA at all, regardless of

availability of " raw materials " - so your only reliable source of EPA

and DHA is fish oil.

> To add to this low conversion problem, the diet most North

> Americans have, high in omega-6 LA oil but low in EPA/DHA,

> impairs the tiny amount of conversion of ALA to EPA/DHA that may

> otherwise occur by competing for the conversion enzyme.

Not relevant. Humans convert VERY little ALA to DHA and EPA whether

there is a lot of raw material (ALA) or not. So the point to make is

that EPA and DHA MUST be obtained from fish oil, and it is foolish to

rely on making it from ALA at all.

We make a couple dozen fatty acids using ALA, but EPA and DHA should not

be considered to be on the list.

> That's why we need to supplement EPA and DHA or fish oil

> containing them.

We're agreed there - but none of this is anything to do with EVO.

EVo has undeniable anti-inflammatory benefits and other benefits that go

on and on - but it's no precursor to fish oil omega-3s :-))

What it does is allow the body to USE the fish oil omega-3s if we eat

them in *addition* to EVO.

> Again, Floyd Chilton's book rules with regard to details.

Not even close - he needs to go back to school if he doesn't understand

EVO. There's a world of information and research on EVO that anyone who

pretends to know about fatty acids needs to be aware of in some depth.

Alternatively, send him on a vacation to the Spanish Mediterranean

coast and he can see the benefits first hand in the general population :-))

Namaste,

Irene

--

Irene de Villiers, B.Sc, AASCA, MCSSA, D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.

P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.

www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)

Proverb:Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it.

[Guest guest]

Duncan Crow wrote:

> GLA is actually pro-inflammatory UNLESS adequate EPA is given as

> well to prevent that. Then it's a pretty good anti-inflammatory.

>

You can't have it both ways:-))

The point is that GLA is inflammatory - always.

EPA is anti-inflammatory - always.

Each omega-3 produces a set of three eicosanoids some of which are

inflammatory and some anti-inflammatory. The NET effect for EPA (and for

DHA) is anti-inflammatory. The net effect for GLA is inflammatory.

Taken all together - if you eat both EPA and GLA the result depends

on the quantity of each eaten - but there is nothing that can " make GLA

anti-inflammatory " as you imply.

> Only tiny amounts of the almost neutral ALA in primrose and

> borage oil are converted to beneficial anti-inflammatory EPA and

> DHA;

Again - that's not relevant. Humans just do not do that conversion worth

beans:-)

The reason to use those oils is the GLA not the ALA :-)))

For those of us with low delta-6-destaurase enzyme, we can not convert

the linolenic to active linolenic so the blackcurrant oil (or borage or

primrose) provides the active form - the GLA.

> Again, Dr. Chilton's book Inflammation Nation supplies these

> details

Sounds like it's got half the picture plus a lot of muddled ideas

jumbled together. I'd be VERY wary of such a text.

> and provides the means to get a personal inflammation

> index based on EFAs in your diet.

With his incorrect ideas on the anti-inflammatory properties of olive

oil - and his incorrect harping on using borage for ALA - I'd put zero

credence in what he says for a " personal inflammation index " .

Sounds like a great sales gimmick though. People love personal numbers

(even if they are invalid?)

Namaste,

Irene

--

Irene de Villiers, B.Sc, AASCA, MCSSA, D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.

P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.

www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)

Proverb:Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it.

[Guest guest]

Duncan Crow wrote:

> Contrary to another popular belief, wild Pacific salmon oil

> contains exceedingly low levels of contamination.

Popular belief where?

Goodness you are full of assumptions this evening Duncan:-)

Wild salmon is well known to be low in toxins.

It's the farm stuff that sucks.

Namaste,

Irene

--

Irene de Villiers, B.Sc, AASCA, MCSSA, D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.

P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.

www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)

Proverb:Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it.

[Guest guest]

Duncan, I know this is a stupid question, but why would they have an EFA

imbalance in the first place? What is going on in the cellular level which would

cause this? I am the health freak Mom. My children do not eat like the rest

of " America. " My little girl has only been in Mcs two times in her life

(and that was 2x two many). She's almost 3 1/2. She thinks junk food is a

granola bar and dried blueberries. She is always hounding me for MY green tea.

Sincerely, Catrine.

[Guest guest]

On Mar 4, 2006, at 12:13 AM, Irene de Villiers wrote:

>

> We all need ALL the relevant fatty acids - and a way to absorb them,

> so

> those include:

> * Oleic acid (omega-9 in extra virgin olive oil) and some in rice

> bran -

> which helps open the cell walls to let in the omega-3's.

If you can pass along a reference for this I would be grateful.

> * Omega-3's from fish oil (docosahexaenoic acid and eicosapentaenoic

> acid)

> * Linolenic acid (omega-3) in active form:

> Here's where the GLA comes in - it is the active form, gamma linolenic

> acid, and some people have enough delta-6-desaturase enzyme to

> activate

> fatty acids to active form themselves and others like you and I who

> lack

> sufficient enzyme, need the fatty acids in ready to use active form

> such

> as in GLA from blackcurrant oil (for type O blood groups). Evening

> primrose and borage oils also have GLA it.

> (Delta-6-desaturase is blocked by cortisol so people under stress do

> not

> have enough; also it decreases with age; it is lower in women; it is

> also blocked in people with eczema as you discovered. People with

> eczema

> usually can't convert omega-6 oils to activated alpha linoleic acid

> either.)

> * We also need linoleic acid (omega-6) but NOT too much compared with

> the others listed. (And it needs to be active form so as to make the

> other fatty acids we need). Most diets have too much Omega-6 (such as

> from vegetable oils) and nowhere near enough EPA and DHA and

> linolenic.

> (the omega-3's).

This fits with what I was taught at school.

>

> There are near two dozen fatty acids but the body manufacturers them

> from the above components. Only a few need to be supplied for sure in

> good amounts.

> ANY shortage of fatty acids will cause eczema and so will a shortage

> or

> imbalance of B vitamins. The skin is actually out biggest organ and it

> shows up nutrient deficiencies and imbalances quite readily.

>      The smart thing is to figure what's deficient and fix it, because

> if you suppress the skin eruption (such as with steroids) you drive

> the

> disease process internally where it can do more damage.

>    Skin problems may not LOOK nice (or feel nice) but they are the

> mildest form of chronic disease. The body TRIES to keep disease at the

> surface - and it goes deeper only if suppressed with drugs that

> prevent

> healing as opposed to nutrients that promote it.

Some people call rosecea/eczema " prelupus "

Hans

[Guest guest]

Hans Conser wrote:

> On Mar 4, 2006, at 12:13 AM, Irene de Villiers wrote:

>

>> We all need ALL the relevant fatty acids - and a way to absorb them,

>>so

>> those include:

>> * Oleic acid (omega-9 in extra virgin olive oil) and some in rice

>>bran -

>> which helps open the cell walls to let in the omega-3's.

>

>

> If you can pass along a reference for this I would be grateful.

Hi,

YEs and no:

It's detailed in Dr Perricone's book " The Perricone Promise " ,

chapter 3 and 4 which has about 4 pages of references listed for the

relevant chapter. A quick glance through the refs does not make it

obvious which one would best include this specific research detail.

So I tried PubMed for you using a search of

" oleic acid omega-3 cell membrane "

..... and there too, I find too many refs to select one - 36 of them.

(I thought it was common knowledge that oleic allows omega-3 to enter

the cell plasma membrane, I know I have seen it in several places.) I

hope this is a lead for you.

>> Skin problems may not LOOK nice (or feel nice) but they are the

>> mildest form of chronic disease. The body TRIES to keep disease at the

>> surface - and it goes deeper only if suppressed with drugs that

>>prevent

>> healing as opposed to nutrients that promote it.

>

>

>

> Some people call rosecea/eczema " prelupus "

That makes sense - suppress it and it could become Lupus.

Namaste,

Irene

--

Irene de Villiers, B.Sc, AASCA, MCSSA, D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.

P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.

www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)

Proverb:Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it.

[Guest guest]

Years ago I used to make Kombucha tea for someone

else's acupuncture practice. Love the stuff. Does

anyone know where I can obtain the " mother " mushroom?

She had already the " mother " mushroom. Thanks!!!

Priscilla Grant

--- comdyne2002 <comdyne@...> wrote:

> Vitamin B-15 (Pangamic Acid) helps clear the liver

> as well as a good

> liver flush such as Hulda 's famous recipe (Its

> potent!). Also

> Milk Thistle is real healthy for the liver as well.

> Kombucha tea

> contains a group of acids that are highly effective

> in knocking down

> fungi such as Candida albicans. Once the liver is

> running optimally

> and the digestive tract is kept moving, the toxins

> that were

> surfacing in the outer dermal layers will be

> excreted through the

> elimination channels of the digestive tract as they

> were intended to

> do.

>

> Duncan said:

>

> Exactly; I checked this thread to see if anyone

> would mention

> bowel health's link to eczema.

>

> Many people in the candidaisis group have cured

> their bowel

> issues and eczema, psoriasis, psoriatic arthritis,

> arthritis, and

> a bunch of other inflammatory disorders that flare

> in response to

> toxin load and maldigestion. Chief among their

> approaches are low-

> carbing, more veggies, more inulin or inulin foods,

> undenatured

> whey and selenium for glutahtione precursors (and

> undenatured

> whey also controls bowel ecology a bit too

>

> Typical comments run to " I'm sooo much better in

> just two

> months! "

>

>

>

>