VITILIGO

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Bala,

Are these QX preparations, or actual homeopathics?

Namaste,

Quoting Bala Lodhia <blodhia@...>:

> Dear Phil,

> I have had very good success with vitiligo.

> my protocol is:

> Adrenalin 30c 1X daily

> adrenalin cm 1 x monthly

> Narayani Vitiligo mixture in the matrix , (can be prepared on the homeopathic

> activation screen, ) taken 2 X daily

> the process is slow but be patient.

> Topically apply any pure coconut based cream or cocoa butter cream nightly

> Bala

> Vitiligo

>

>

> I have a client who has had vitiligo for 8 years, whole patches of pigment

> have disappeared from her arms. She has been to many doctors and health

> practitioners to no avail. She also wakes up every morning with hives. I have

> used the qx for one session and now have her on an anti-fungal program plus a

> liver cleanse. If any of you have had experience with this please comment.

> Phil

>

>

> ............................................

>

>

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Neetu,

I have had little success to date with vitilago. Only sepia and thuja are listed as remedies for the condition.

So my suggestion is to forget about the symptom (vitilago) and just treat her as you would otherwise. Deal with the factors you list and have PATIENCE.

As you know, skin problems are very challenging to treat - but you have to remain just as persistent to eventually obtain a positive outcome.

Just keep prioritizing her "systems to eventually unpeel the onion.

D. Thom

Hi Dr. Thom and the Unda group!  I just wanted some direction with a case

and also feedback as to sucess of treating this condition...

I have a patient she is a 26 year old, indo-canadian female, currently

attending law school.

Aug 2001:  Noticed vitiligo beginning on index finger of the left hand,

eventually appeared on the right hand, bilateral distribution

-when i asked her what was going on around this time she said she was

depression, finished her Bachelors degree, wasn't working.  Mother was

diagnosed with breast cancer, said her immediate family could not cope and

was very stressful, at the same time, younger sister was "uncontrollable"

and further increasing mental stress for the family.  Younger sister was not

following "cultural norms" which can be devisating to indo-canadian family's

and what others will think etc etc.  She said in her family, "everyone would

come to me with their problems".  Mother talked about father and sister to

her.  Father would talk about sister and mother to her.  Sister would talk

about parents. etc.

-April 2001 dumped from a long term relationship, applied to a variety of

law schools, was not accepted.  Reaction was depression, withdrew from

people very angry and happy being depressed.  Internalize all emotions.

-She also began the BCP the same year as the vitiligo 2001.  Stopped a year

later.

Jan 2002: vitiligo began around mouth and lips, high stress time before

achieving her indian classical dance certification.

fingers progressively worse, but holding at the DIP.  Other areas of

depigmentation will come and go

July 2004: depigmented areas have come and gone from the nose, under the

chin, now on the forehead and some on the chin, and still present on all the

fingers up to the DIP.  Optometrist found vitiligo in left eye.  Gray hair

along hair line, also an effect of vitiligo

Family Hx:  mother had ovarian cancer in'93; breast cancer in '98;  history

of one year of pneumonia; history of TB.  Sister, 6 years younger, had Grand

mal seizures

Child: very healthy

I asked her of a trauma at age 7 (self/non-self):  she said moving schools

was very traumatic, had no friends

10 yrs:  adult teeth growing behind some baby teeth.  Some baby teeth

removed, others fell out, due to crowding in mouth missing 2-4 adult teeth

11yrs:  appendix removed

12 yrs: braces, currently plenty of cavity's, no root canals

19 yrs: totalled her car, emotionally devistating

24 yrs:  told her parents about metal/inappropriate behavior, abuse from

first cousin.  Occured when she was 15-17yrs

26 yrs:  since january repeat pink eye.

So, my assessment of the case was that she has a TB miasm, she's always

fatigued, a/i disease, demineralizing her skin pigment, can't detoxify

herself, acne on skin, she has hypochlorhydria, history of irregular menses,

regulated while on and after stopping the BCP.  Huge romantic, unrequited

love theme to her case.  More of an adrenal issue and not thyroid.  Very

sensitive, won't show emotions.  Stuborn. With stress will drink and party

and smoke cigarettes.  Very much a nurse, and her way of dealing with stress

is to help others.  Better counseling.  Beginning to become stressed about

the vitiligo as it is quite the stigma in the indian community, and thinks

it may hinder her chances to get married.

But, the appendix and pink eye also make me think maybe a bit sycotic too??

But i'm not sure if those are sycotic presentations.???

And her baby teeth not falling out, makes me think something endocrine??

I started her with BTG

a gluten free diet (upon reading dangerous grains)

Cu-Au-Ag:  low copper is also correlated to vitiligo

Unda's 9, 14

tissue salts, Kali phos in the am, and Mag Phos in the pm

HCl challenge.

Considering a future plan of: single dose  Nat mur 4 ch am/ Sepia 4ch pm

I would really appreciate any/all feedback as to the direction of this case,

i'm still a new unda user and find it difficult for the subsequent rounds,

especially for an auto-immune condition and organ systems using the unda

numbers.  And if anyone has any experience with vitiligo sucess!

Thank you for your help!  the unda group is great, i really learn so much

from it!

Neetu Dhiman, Vancouver BC

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Thanks Dr. Thom, i'll try those remedies, and drainage according to her case, and keep everyone posted with any changes. I was just wondering if anyone else has had experience with Vitiligo, i'd appreciate anything! Good or bad. Oh and i really hate it that her M.D. refers to it as "The Disease".!!

thanks again, Neetu

Re: Vitiligo

Neetu, I have had little success to date with vitilago. Only sepia and thuja are listed as remedies for the condition. So my suggestion is to forget about the symptom (vitilago) and just treat her as you would otherwise. Deal with the factors you list and have PATIENCE. As you know, skin problems are very challenging to treat - but you have to remain just as persistent to eventually obtain a positive outcome. Just keep prioritizing her "systems to eventually unpeel the onion. D. Thom

Hi Dr. Thom and the Unda group! I just wanted some direction with a caseand also feedback as to sucess of treating this condition...I have a patient she is a 26 year old, indo-canadian female, currentlyattending law school.Aug 2001: Noticed vitiligo beginning on index finger of the left hand,eventually appeared on the right hand, bilateral distribution-when i asked her what was going on around this time she said she wasdepression, finished her Bachelors degree, wasn't working. Mother wasdiagnosed with breast cancer, said her immediate family could not cope andwas very stressful, at the same time, younger sister was "uncontrollable"and further increasing mental stress for the family. Younger sister was notfollowing "cultural norms" which can be devisating to indo-canadian family'sand what others will think etc etc. She said in her family, "everyone wouldcome to me with their problems". Mother talked about father and sister toher. Father would talk about sister and mother to her. Sister would talkabout parents. etc.-April 2001 dumped from a long term relationship, applied to a variety oflaw schools, was not accepted. Reaction was depression, withdrew frompeople very angry and happy being depressed. Internalize all emotions.-She also began the BCP the same year as the vitiligo 2001. Stopped a yearlater.Jan 2002: vitiligo began around mouth and lips, high stress time beforeachieving her indian classical dance certification.fingers progressively worse, but holding at the DIP. Other areas ofdepigmentation will come and goJuly 2004: depigmented areas have come and gone from the nose, under thechin, now on the forehead and some on the chin, and still present on all thefingers up to the DIP. Optometrist found vitiligo in left eye. Gray hairalong hair line, also an effect of vitiligoFamily Hx: mother had ovarian cancer in'93; breast cancer in '98; historyof one year of pneumonia; history of TB. Sister, 6 years younger, had Grandmal seizuresChild: very healthyI asked her of a trauma at age 7 (self/non-self): she said moving schoolswas very traumatic, had no friends10 yrs: adult teeth growing behind some baby teeth. Some baby teethremoved, others fell out, due to crowding in mouth missing 2-4 adult teeth11yrs: appendix removed12 yrs: braces, currently plenty of cavity's, no root canals19 yrs: totalled her car, emotionally devistating24 yrs: told her parents about metal/inappropriate behavior, abuse fromfirst cousin. Occured when she was 15-17yrs26 yrs: since january repeat pink eye.So, my assessment of the case was that she has a TB miasm, she's alwaysfatigued, a/i disease, demineralizing her skin pigment, can't detoxifyherself, acne on skin, she has hypochlorhydria, history of irregular menses,regulated while on and after stopping the BCP. Huge romantic, unrequitedlove theme to her case. More of an adrenal issue and not thyroid. Verysensitive, won't show emotions. Stuborn. With stress will drink and partyand smoke cigarettes. Very much a nurse, and her way of dealing with stressis to help others. Better counseling. Beginning to become stressed aboutthe vitiligo as it is quite the stigma in the indian community, and thinksit may hinder her chances to get married.But, the appendix and pink eye also make me think maybe a bit sycotic too??But i'm not sure if those are sycotic presentations.???And her baby teeth not falling out, makes me think something endocrine??I started her with BTGa gluten free diet (upon reading dangerous grains)Cu-Au-Ag: low copper is also correlated to vitiligoUnda's 9, 14tissue salts, Kali phos in the am, and Mag Phos in the pmHCl challenge.Considering a future plan of: single dose Nat mur 4 ch am/ Sepia 4ch pmI would really appreciate any/all feedback as to the direction of this case,i'm still a new unda user and find it difficult for the subsequent rounds,especially for an auto-immune condition and organ systems using the undanumbers. And if anyone has any experience with vitiligo sucess!Thank you for your help! the unda group is great, i really learn so muchfrom it!Neetu Dhiman, Vancouver BC

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Hello everyone,

I have had two cases of vitiligo, one didn't continue and the other actually did see some changes though mild when she worked on supporting the nervous system and it seemed to get worse when she was very stressed. Her onset was after being mugged though we could see the process leading up to that "assault" pushing her system off balance. I would consider adding Tegumentum (organo for skin) at some point but really agree with Dr. Thom that the change will/may come when her systems are all supported. Let her show you at each visit what needs to be addressed and peel back the layers. Your assessment of the case seems great and regarding the miasmatic influence remember that there can be layers of miasms. Keep us posted, seems like you can do a lot to support her whether she has "cure" or not.

riginal Message -----

From: Dr. Neetu Dhiman, ND

Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 5:31 PM

Subject: Re: Vitiligo

Thanks Dr. Thom, i'll try those remedies, and drainage according to her case, and keep everyone posted with any changes. I was just wondering if anyone else has had experience with Vitiligo, i'd appreciate anything! Good or bad. Oh and i really hate it that her M.D. refers to it as "The Disease".!!

thanks again, Neetu

Re: Vitiligo

Neetu, I have had little success to date with vitilago. Only sepia and thuja are listed as remedies for the condition. So my suggestion is to forget about the symptom (vitilago) and just treat her as you would otherwise. Deal with the factors you list and have PATIENCE. As you know, skin problems are very challenging to treat - but you have to remain just as persistent to eventually obtain a positive outcome. Just keep prioritizing her "systems to eventually unpeel the onion. D. Thom

Hi Dr. Thom and the Unda group! I just wanted some direction with a caseand also feedback as to sucess of treating this condition...I have a patient she is a 26 year old, indo-canadian female, currentlyattending law school.Aug 2001: Noticed vitiligo beginning on index finger of the left hand,eventually appeared on the right hand, bilateral distribution-when i asked her what was going on around this time she said she wasdepression, finished her Bachelors degree, wasn't working. Mother wasdiagnosed with breast cancer, said her immediate family could not cope andwas very stressful, at the same time, younger sister was "uncontrollable"and further increasing mental stress for the family. Younger sister was notfollowing "cultural norms" which can be devisating to indo-canadian family'sand what others will think etc etc. She said in her family, "everyone wouldcome to me with their problems". Mother talked about father and sister toher. Father would talk about sister and mother to her. Sister would talkabout parents. etc.-April 2001 dumped from a long term relationship, applied to a variety oflaw schools, was not accepted. Reaction was depression, withdrew frompeople very angry and happy being depressed. Internalize all emotions.-She also began the BCP the same year as the vitiligo 2001. Stopped a yearlater.Jan 2002: vitiligo began around mouth and lips, high stress time beforeachieving her indian classical dance certification.fingers progressively worse, but holding at the DIP. Other areas ofdepigmentation will come and goJuly 2004: depigmented areas have come and gone from the nose, under thechin, now on the forehead and some on the chin, and still present on all thefingers up to the DIP. Optometrist found vitiligo in left eye. Gray hairalong hair line, also an effect of vitiligoFamily Hx: mother had ovarian cancer in'93; breast cancer in '98; historyof one year of pneumonia; history of TB. Sister, 6 years younger, had Grandmal seizuresChild: very healthyI asked her of a trauma at age 7 (self/non-self): she said moving schoolswas very traumatic, had no friends10 yrs: adult teeth growing behind some baby teeth. Some baby teethremoved, others fell out, due to crowding in mouth missing 2-4 adult teeth11yrs: appendix removed12 yrs: braces, currently plenty of cavity's, no root canals19 yrs: totalled her car, emotionally devistating24 yrs: told her parents about metal/inappropriate behavior, abuse fromfirst cousin. Occured when she was 15-17yrs26 yrs: since january repeat pink eye.So, my assessment of the case was that she has a TB miasm, she's alwaysfatigued, a/i disease, demineralizing her skin pigment, can't detoxifyherself, acne on skin, she has hypochlorhydria, history of irregular menses,regulated while on and after stopping the BCP. Huge romantic, unrequitedlove theme to her case. More of an adrenal issue and not thyroid. Verysensitive, won't show emotions. Stuborn. With stress will drink and partyand smoke cigarettes. Very much a nurse, and her way of dealing with stressis to help others. Better counseling. Beginning to become stressed aboutthe vitiligo as it is quite the stigma in the indian community, and thinksit may hinder her chances to get married.But, the appendix and pink eye also make me think maybe a bit sycotic too??But i'm not sure if those are sycotic presentations.???And her baby teeth not falling out, makes me think something endocrine??I started her with BTGa gluten free diet (upon reading dangerous grains)Cu-Au-Ag: low copper is also correlated to vitiligoUnda's 9, 14tissue salts, Kali phos in the am, and Mag Phos in the pmHCl challenge.Considering a future plan of: single dose Nat mur 4 ch am/ Sepia 4ch pmI would really appreciate any/all feedback as to the direction of this case,i'm still a new unda user and find it difficult for the subsequent rounds,especially for an auto-immune condition and organ systems using the undanumbers. And if anyone has any experience with vitiligo sucess!Thank you for your help! the unda group is great, i really learn so muchfrom it!Neetu Dhiman, Vancouver BC

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Look up PABA (para amino benzoic acid) one of the Vitamin B's I have heard of some success with this. regards

Vitiligo

Please could someone help me?

I have a client with extremely bad vitiligo. He is an Indian (read coffee-coloured skin) and his face has only a tiny patch of natural coloured skin left on his nose - even his hair is turning white in patches as the vitiligo encroaches.

Any and all advice would be much appreciated.

Many thanks

(BTW my client is a medical doctor)............................................

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You must treat the Glandular System as the Pineal and Pituitary Glands have major involvement with skin discoloration --- especially white spots. Brown spots are often signs of congested or toxic liver.

I would go straight to the sport program to see what deficiencies are highlighted and treat first then address other hormonal and glandular issues. To assist quicker reversal, use a good quality "glandular tissue" product or homeopathic --- after seeing if it is in resonance w/his body. Good Luck.

Pat Atwood, N.D.

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Hi , I have been working with one gentleman with vitiligo with good success. He also has Gilbert's Syndrome, so there's been alot of Liver work but I am using the platanus too, but told him we will use it for 6 months and then reassess. So far so good. THe skin pigment is really normalizing. Last month we did 2, 17, 48 so we'll see. I also have him on a gluten and dairy-free diet.

Teri Jaklin ND

Waterdown, ON

-----Original Message-----From: [mailto: ]On Behalf Of Healthy Balance Naturopathic ClinicSent: July 8, 2005 10:33 AM Subject: Vitiligo

Hi Everyone,

I'm treating a 13 year old female with vitiligo. The hypopigmentation started ~Dec '03 and manifested over her forhead and left cheek. The hairs on the medial aspect of the left eyebrow also became hypopigmented.

She's been seeing me since June '04. She has a history of constipation and upper GI gas & belching. Very perfectionistic person and I do feel that although she has a seemingly happy home environment she may not be fully disclosing her concerns to me.

I started her on digestive enzymes and nutrition/BTG (as much as possible considering her age & compliance level).

After a few single doses of Thuja 200ch we found 5 brown hairs to grow back into the area of the eyebrow that had lost pigment.

Also used:

Acer (Gemmo) 1 month - 3 weeks on, 1 week off

Platanus (Gemmo) 1 month (same as above)

Undas for opening the emunctories -did emunctory drainage for 3 months (including ST drainage with unda #4)

Currently she is taking Unda 3, Unda 14, Unda 24 and we restarted the Platanus (Gemmo) for 3 weeks on, 1 week off.

The vitiligo hasn't spread, however we haven't noticed any further skin or hair repigmentation other than those few eyebrow hairs.

Has anyone had any success with vitiligo? Any further suggestions? How much time could it possibly take?

Imola, BSc., NDDoctor of Naturopathic Medicine

Healthy Balance Naturopathic Clinic6746 on Street Unit #2Niagara Falls, ON L2E 6Z8

p: 905-354-0267 f:905-354-4957

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The Psycho emotionnal conflict is for Vitilido,

I bleach myself of something bad that I have done to someone else.

Jean- Lavoie

- In qxci-english , " jadespring2003 "

<jadespring2003@y...> wrote:

> Linked to infection, liver toxicity, pituitary exhaustion

(inability

> to produce sufficient melanin for the skin cells), adrenal

exhaustion,

> poor diet that has been chronically deficient in critical

nutrients.

>

> Here's what PRL suggests:

>

> Super Food Trio

> HCL Detox Therapy

> Propolis

> Anti infective Alli Supreme wild bear garlic

> Hormone support adaptogen complex

> adrenal support

> liver detox support

> allicidin liquid. neem oil. topically

> Probiotic complex

> castrol oil packs over liver

> clay packs

>

> Adopt a whole foods, natural diet, rich in organic fruits and

> vegetables. Avoid anti skin foods like hydrogenated oil, MSG

fried

> foods, refined flour and sugar.

>

> is

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Hi n

I had surprising results with someone who only came for a few sessions of general balancing, but continued taking a multivitamin (Viridian) that contains 150mg Vitamin B5 at breakfast time as well as B complex containing 200mg vitamin B 5 at lunchtime. She also took 1000mg vitamin C daily as well as 2 x 1000mg omega 3 daily. Initially nothing changed as far as her skin was concerned, only improved energy and general well-being. After 12 months the patches of vitilogo suddenly started shrinking and she noticed improvement almost weekly. The condition has not completely gone, but the results are remarkable and noticalbe.

Emma Mentel

add to your health Shop 43, Kensington Square 47-51 Kensington Drive Durban North 4051

Tel: 031 564 3197

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I have been asked by someone if the epfx-scio would be helpful for vitiligo.

This client is 16 year old with gradually worsening condition since age 9 years old

Any suggestions how to help?

With thanks

n

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also attached is hamer Herd listing which includes an alphabetical section- suggest that this is reveiwed as there are shingles, acne etc.etc in her

Vitiligo

Notes from R Lane 12Aug 2007.

Associated with a catalyse deficiency which is associated with the melalin cycle. Manganese involved, Highest incidence is in negroid. There is some familial/ genetic susceptibility but train is not clear and can skip generations. Hence there is a DNA/chromosome element- restoration of the melatonin production template may hel restore cell loss of memory. (Healthy cell sarcode may help- stem cell tageed as skin cells may help- should review which layer (s) are relevant. There is also a potential diabetes link.

May be possible to halt but reversal non-energetically seems difficult.

Trace minerals, anti-oxidants, possibly B vits and PABA relevant.

Triggers are stress, lack of meat, after a shock.

Vitiligo is listed in Hamer herds- potentially enables emotional element to be addressed. To locate

Have you visited www.imune.net yet?

Dr Kelsey Imune- Vice Chancellor

info@...www.imune.netF: +44 870 460 1138T: +44 121 243 6318

[Guest guest]

I had surprising results with someone who only came for a few sessions of general balancing, but continued taking a multivitamin (Viridian) that contains 150mg Vitamin B5 at breakfast time as well as B complex containing 200mg vitamin B 5 at lunchtime. She also took 1000mg vitamin C daily as well as 2 x 1000mg omega 3 daily. Initially nothing changed as far as her skin was concerned, only improved energy and general well-being. After 12 months the patches of vitilogo suddenly started shrinking and she noticed improvement almost weekly. The condition has not completely gone, but the results are remarkable and noticalbe.

Emma Mentel

add to your health Shop 43, Kensington Square 47-51 Kensington Drive Durban North 4051

Tel: 031 564 3197

vitiligo

I have been asked by someone if the epfx-scio would be helpful for vitiligo.

This client is 16 year old with gradually worsening condition since age 9 years old

Any suggestions how to help?

With thanks

n

vitiligo

Dear community,has anyone worked with the stress of vitiligo, either with the SCIO or with any products?thank you,

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Re: Vitiligo

also attached is hamer Herd listing which includes an alphabetical section- suggest that this is reveiwed as there are shingles, acne etc.etc in her

Vitiligo

Notes from R Lane 12Aug 2007.

Associated with a catalyse deficiency which is associated with the melalin cycle. Manganese involved, Highest incidence is in negroid. There is some familial/ genetic susceptibility but train is not clear and can skip generations. Hence there is a DNA/chromosome element- restoration of the melatonin production template may hel restore cell loss of memory. (Healthy cell sarcode may help- stem cell tageed as skin cells may help- should review which layer (s) are relevant. There is also a potential diabetes link.

May be possible to halt but reversal non-energetically seems difficult.

Trace minerals, anti-oxidants, possibly B vits and PABA relevant.

Triggers are stress, lack of meat, after a shock.

Vitiligo is listed in Hamer herds- potentially enables emotional element to be addressed. To locate

Have you visited www.imune.net yet?

Dr Kelsey Imune- Vice Chancellor

info@...www.imune.netF: +44 870 460 1138T: +44 121 243 6318

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VITILIGO (Pigmentverlies)

Vitiligo is ‘n kollerige velaandoening

en is toe te skryf aan die verlies van die natuurlike pigment melanien (soms is dit ook

in die haarkleur waarneembaar).

Dit word veroorsaak deur die afwesigheid van melanosiete (die selle wat melanien vervaardig).

Simptome:

Wit kolle verskyn skielik op die vel, gewoonlik die gesig of buitekant van die hande. Hulle word mettertyd groter en versprei na

ander dele van die vel. Dié verkleuring is meer opvallend by donker mense en diegene wat lank in die son deurbring. Die wit kolle word maklik verbrand deur die son en verdonker nie.

Oorsake

Vitiligo is ’n outo-immuunsiekte, i.e.

’n verskynsel wat onstaan wanneer die immuunstelsel abnormaal funksioneer en die liggaam sy eie weefsel

aanval. Dit kan

reeds op ’n vroeë volwasse

ouderdom begin en het

’n genetiese neiging.

Behandeling:

Daar

is nie ’n spesifieke kuur vir hierdie

toestand nie. Wend grimering aan om die vlekke minder opsigtelik te maak.

Dieet:

q Vermy alle suiwel-, koring

en- sojaprodukte, grondbone

en grondboonbotter, kafeïene,

kookolies, kunsmatige versoeters, margariene, en verfynde koolhidrate.

q Eet meer groenblaar

groentes, proteïene en slaaie.

Aanvullings:

PABS                                                                          400

mg p.d.

Foliensuur                                                                   3

mg p.d.

L-Fenielalaniensuur                                                     250

mg p.d.

Vit. B-kompleks                                                          50

mg 3x p.d. en 1 ml intramuskulêre

inspuiting 1x p.w.

Vit. B5                                                                                    300

mg p.d. in verdeelde dosisse

Magnesiumsitraat                                                        400

mg p.d.

Kruiemiddels:

Picrorrhiza, thuja,

kasterolie, Sweedse Bitters                        smeer

aan 3x p.d.(Kan

individueel of gekombineer gebruik word.)