NEJM Nurse study referenced in The Coconut Oil Miracle

[Guest guest]

Hi,

I'm new here. I'm looking into coconut oil and had a question about one of the

references found in " The Coconut Oil Miracle " by Bruce Fife. In the book, he

mentions the results published in the New England Journal of Medicine of a study

documenting 80,000 nurses over a 14 year period. Bruce goes on to quote the

researchers as saying limiting trans fat is more effective in reducing heart

attacks than overall fat level.

I've found the results published in the journal online, which conclude not only

suggest to limit trans fats, but also saturated fats, which Bruce and others say

are good for the heart.

If anyone here is a nutritionist, why did they come to these conclusion? It

almost seems the author cherry-picked data he wanted to support his conclusions,

falling silent with the suggestion about saturated fat intake. I'm quite open to

the health possibilities of coconut oil (too young to be subjected to the smear

campaign by the ASA), I'm merely wondering how these results were obtained. It

could be nothing more than researchers parroting the official " saturated fats

are bad " line, in which case, why would they be trusted as a reliable source for

saying trans fats are bad?

(The article, for anyone curious, is here:

http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/full/337/21/1491 . You'll have to sign up

for a free account to view)

-Keiji

[Guest guest]

Hi,

i am not a nutritionist, but found the benefits myself because my body does

not tolerate ppolyunsaturated oils. an article from Dr Mercola gives to me the

answer i was looking for here is the link

http://www.mercola.com/2001/mar/24/coconut_oil.htm

thanks

natish

keiji_haino <keiji_haino@...> wrote:

Hi,

I'm new here. I'm looking into coconut oil and had a question about one of the

references found in " The Coconut Oil Miracle " by Bruce Fife. In the book, he

mentions the results published in the New England Journal of Medicine of a study

documenting 80,000 nurses over a 14 year period. Bruce goes on to quote the

researchers as saying limiting trans fat is more effective in reducing heart

attacks than overall fat level.

I've found the results published in the journal online, which conclude not only

suggest to limit trans fats, but also saturated fats, which Bruce and others say

are good for the heart.

If anyone here is a nutritionist, why did they come to these conclusion? It

almost seems the author cherry-picked data he wanted to support his conclusions,

falling silent with the suggestion about saturated fat intake. I'm quite open to

the health possibilities of coconut oil (too young to be subjected to the smear

campaign by the ASA), I'm merely wondering how these results were obtained. It

could be nothing more than researchers parroting the official " saturated fats

are bad " line, in which case, why would they be trusted as a reliable source for

saying trans fats are bad?

(The article, for anyone curious, is here:

http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/full/337/21/1491 . You'll have to sign up

for a free account to view)

-Keiji

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[Guest guest]

>

> Hi,

>

> I'm new here. I'm looking into coconut oil and had a question about

one of the references found in " The Coconut Oil Miracle " by Bruce

Fife. In the book, he mentions the results published in the New

England Journal of Medicine of a study documenting 80,000 nurses over

a 14 year period. Bruce goes on to quote the researchers as saying

limiting trans fat is more effective in reducing heart attacks than

overall fat level.

>

> I've found the results published in the journal online, which

conclude not only suggest to limit trans fats, but also saturated

fats, which Bruce and others say are good for the heart.

>

> If anyone here is a nutritionist, why did they come to these

conclusion? It almost seems the author cherry-picked data he wanted to

support his conclusions, falling silent with the suggestion about

saturated fat intake. I'm quite open to the health possibilities of

coconut oil (too young to be subjected to the smear campaign by the

ASA), I'm merely wondering how these results were obtained. It could

be nothing more than researchers parroting the official " saturated

fats are bad " line, in which case, why would they be trusted as a

reliable source for saying trans fats are bad?

>

> (The article, for anyone curious, is here:

http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/full/337/21/1491 . You'll have to

sign up for a free account to view)

>

> -Keiji

>

From what I recall from my readings, not all saturated fats are equal.

Fat from grass fed cattle or wild game is different than the fat from

corn fed cattle. I guess they are both saturated, but thousands of

years of evolution adapted your body to digest certain foods. I would

suggest reading the Metabolic Typing Diet book and a Protein Power

book by Drs. Eades. Depending upon your gentic background, your body

may do better on certain foods than others.

As far as medical research, did the study state what kinds of fat or

is one saturated fat the same as all of the others?

[Guest guest]

>

>

> From what I recall from my readings, not all saturated fats are equal.

> Fat from grass fed cattle or wild game is different than the fat from

> corn fed cattle. I guess they are both saturated, but thousands of

> years of evolution adapted your body to digest certain foods. I would

> suggest reading the Metabolic Typing Diet book and a Protein Power

> book by Drs. Eades. Depending upon your gentic background, your body

> may do better on certain foods than others.

> As far as medical research, did the study state what kinds of fat or

> is one saturated fat the same as all of the others?

>

Ahh, I should have suspected this. Of course this is true, and the study merely

glosses over the issue in the concluding remarks, implying ALL saturated fats

are equal. Perhaps this is why Bruce did not mention that bit of advice in his

book. I admittedly did not even try to read through the bulk of the paper, being

in language only an expert could decipher, which is why I specifically asked if

any nutritionists were here. Your explanation, however, makes perfect sense.

[Guest guest]

Hi Keiji !

Tthis is Sev from the Philippines, known to be the VCO origin and its capital

of the world so far as claimed by many.

As a reaction to you query, to understand the subject or issue you pointed

out in this e-forum, we have to know the fatty acid profile of both plant and

animal sources of fats/oils in relation to our body nutritional and

physiological needs. Also, the classified saturated fats must not be

generalized, I believe so. This should be subdivided into low-chain,

medium-chain and long-chain fatty acids as these fats when taken by our body

have behaviors and specific or different reactions, albeit called saturated

fats. This has been clarified several times in this forum. Moreover, if one

desires to have a deeper understanding, the basic chemical/structural formula of

all dietary fats/oils sources have been elaborated in many references.

Cheers and Good Day,

Sev Magat

keiji_haino <keiji_haino@...> wrote:

Hi,

I'm new here. I'm looking into coconut oil and had a question about one of the

references found in " The Coconut Oil Miracle " by Bruce Fife. In the book, he

mentions the results published in the New England Journal of Medicine of a study

documenting 80,000 nurses over a 14 year period. Bruce goes on to quote the

researchers as saying limiting trans fat is more effective in reducing heart

attacks than overall fat level.

I've found the results published in the journal online, which conclude not only

suggest to limit trans fats, but also saturated fats, which Bruce and others say

are good for the heart.

If anyone here is a nutritionist, why did they come to these conclusion? It

almost seems the author cherry-picked data he wanted to support his conclusions,

falling silent with the suggestion about saturated fat intake. I'm quite open to

the health possibilities of coconut oil (too young to be subjected to the smear

campaign by the ASA), I'm merely wondering how these results were obtained. It

could be nothing more than researchers parroting the official " saturated fats

are bad " line, in which case, why would they be trusted as a reliable source for

saying trans fats are bad?

(The article, for anyone curious, is here:

http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/full/337/21/1491 . You'll have to sign up

for a free account to view)

-Keiji

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