depression/anxiety

[Guest guest]

i have a client who has been on a anti depressant drug for 12 years

and now wants to slowly come off of it. as you may know, there are

many potential severe side effects when withdrawing. what type of

therapy or program should i use to help this client to get off this

drug successfully?

[Guest guest]

Hi Kathy,

Thanks for your reply. However i was looking for treatment in terms of the EPFX/Scio machine.

Thanks,

Harry Deol

From: Kathy <kathyqx@...>qxci-scio-epfx-english Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 10:31:02 PMSubject: Re: depression/anxiety

Yes this can be tricky as the body comes back into balance the need of the stronger drugs may be to much for them. They need to work closely with their doctor as they feel they are needing less. Use a story to get them to understand. If you like you may use one of mine which happened to a client! As they were improving and feeling better and better, less voices, less depression, etc. they went to their doctor who took them off all meds cold turkey (yes it was a VA hospital), had they felt capable of talking to their doctor they would have asked to be decreased slowly. Using a nail file to slowly reduce the size of the pill over the next 2 or 3 months. Allowing the body to readjust. Instead they did as the doctor said and had a suicidal episode due to the withdrawal. When it comes to psychotropic drugs slow reduction is the safer route..this came from other medical professionals when I started asking

questions. I follow their advice always on these type of clients. I've come into these clients enough that I finally wrote a few classes on this topic. They are found in the following sites should you feel you need more information to address these clients and the locations in which to work.

Yours in Health,

Kathy

www.4yourhealthshop .com

www.vital-connectio n.com

From: energy09life <deolh (DOT) ca>qxci-scio-epfx- english@gro ups.comSent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 8:29:56 AMSubject: depression/anxiety

i have a client who has been on a anti depressant drug for 12 years and now wants to slowly come off of it. as you may know, there are many potential severe side effects when withdrawing. what type of therapy or program should i use to help this client to get off this drug successfully?

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[Guest guest]

Hello Harry,

I have posted several on neurological, depression and anxiety in the past and they are in the archives of the chat group. What I was trying to give you was something verbally to use as you were doing the therapies. If you run into problems you can contact me at 517-543-1354 and I can give you some areas to think about. This could take pages to write again, but speaking is faster.

Yours in Health,

Kathy

From: HARRY DEOL <deolh@...>qxci-scio-epfx-english Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 11:19:27 AMSubject: Re: depression/anxiety

Hi Kathy,

Thanks for your reply. However i was looking for treatment in terms of the EPFX/Scio machine.

Thanks,

Harry Deol

From: Kathy <kathyqxsbcglobal (DOT) net>qxci-scio-epfx- english@gro ups.comSent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 10:31:02 PMSubject: Re: depression/anxiety

Yes this can be tricky as the body comes back into balance the need of the stronger drugs may be to much for them. They need to work closely with their doctor as they feel they are needing less. Use a story to get them to understand. If you like you may use one of mine which happened to a client! As they were improving and feeling better and better, less voices, less depression, etc. they went to their doctor who took them off all meds cold turkey (yes it was a VA hospital), had they felt capable of talking to their doctor they would have asked to be decreased slowly. Using a nail file to slowly reduce the size of the pill over the next 2 or 3 months. Allowing the body to readjust. Instead they did as the doctor said and had a suicidal episode due to the withdrawal. When it comes to psychotropic drugs slow reduction is the safer route..this came from other medical professionals when I started asking

questions. I follow their advice always on these type of clients. I've come into these clients enough that I finally wrote a few classes on this topic. They are found in the following sites should you feel you need more information to address these clients and the locations in which to work.

Yours in Health,

Kathy

www.4yourhealthshop .com

www.vital-connectio n.com

From: energy09life <deolh (DOT) ca>qxci-scio-epfx- english@gro ups.comSent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 8:29:56 AMSubject: depression/anxiety

i have a client who has been on a anti depressant drug for 12 years and now wants to slowly come off of it. as you may know, there are many potential severe side effects when withdrawing. what type of therapy or program should i use to help this client to get off this drug successfully?

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[Guest guest]

Maybe someone with a medical background can suggest a more complete list of blood tests that should be run on your fiance, but here are some of value that come to mind.

As far as thyroid tests are concerned, see this page for recommended labs for a full thyroid panel Click here: Recommended Labwork | Stop The Thyroid Madness

Has your fiance's doctor ruled out testosterone deficiency? Dr. Lichten of Michigan says that he is able to treat depression in men 80% of the time with bio-identical testosterone supplementation alone. Several of Dr. Lichten's podcasts are available here: Click here: Listen to Your Health The podcast entitled "The Truth About Testosterone" is worth listening to especially.

A great book to read regarding testosterone deficiency in males is Eugene Shippen's Testosterone Syndrome:The Critical Factor For Energy, Health, & Sexuality --- Reversing The Male Menopause. Check out some of the customer reviews of this book on Amazon.com

The following blood lab tests are helpful to confirm the diagnosis of testosterone deficiency in men:

Both free (FT) and total testosterone (TT) tests

SHBG (A high SHBG level reduces the effects of testosterone by binding greater amounts of testosterone in the blood, slowing down testosterone's uptake by the cells.)

Prolactin (inhibits testosterone production)

LH (Increases testosterone production)

FSH (A high FSH is a sign of poor spermatogenesis.)

Estradiol (E2) (High estrogens may reduce testosterone effects.)

Estrone (E1) (High estrogens may reduce testosterone effects.)

Dihydrotestosterone(DHT) (Less valuable than androstanediol because of the poor quality of most DHT test kits; the test reflects only DHT production, not activity.)

Androstanediol glucuronide (AG is a good marker of androgen metabolic activity as it is the major metabolite of DHT, produced from DHT, produced from DHT only after DHT has exerted its activity.)

[Guest guest]

thyroid/adrenal/sex hormones. do you have the book Hormone Solutions

by Thierry Hertoghe MD? it is a wonderful overview of all hormones. he

and/or you will have to take control b/c most docs just don't get it.

he should be on lots of Iodoral to sensitize hormone receptors.

gracia

Kathy wrote:

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> /Im asking for my fiance.. I need info on depression/anxiety disorder.

> they have been treating him with anti-depressants for over 20 years

> and now nothing is working, hes had to take leave from his job!!!!

> They are talking about hopsitalizing him! They have NEVER tested him

> for thyroid or anything else, as far as I know they give him pills for

> the symptoms and never look for the cause! so his last appointment I

> told him to ASK about thyroid testing and the Dr said " thats a good

> idea! " and wrote him labs for TSH only... so next time Im gonna write

> down tests he should get done! any suggestions would be helpful. his

> anxiety is very bad everyday and he cant do anything! (ps 53 yrs old

> male) Kathy/

>

[Guest guest]

What about a full body scan or thermogram?

From what I understand this may help find problems instead of bandaids.

But some regular labs are a good idea.

Try for now while he's getting tested, to have regular sleep patterns, get at least 15 minutes of sun everyday. Avoid sugar from the diet. Has he tried this yet?

I am sorry he's going through this...I can relate!!!

From: Kathy <sunbriar@...>Subject: depression/anxietyNaturalThyroidHormones , naturalThyroidHormoneAdrenals , hrt-nhrt , iodine Date: Wednesday, August 26, 2009, 2:17 PM

Im asking for my fiance.. I need info on depression/anxiety disorder. they have been treating him with anti-depressants for over 20 years and now nothing is working, hes had to take leave from his job!!!! They are talking about hopsitalizing him! They have NEVER tested him for thyroid or anything else, as far as I know they give him pills for the symptoms and never look for the cause! so his last appointment I told him to ASK about thyroid testing and the Dr said "thats a good idea!" and wrote him labs for TSH only... so next time Im gonna write down tests he should get done! any suggestions would be helpful. his anxiety is very bad everyday and he cant do anything! (ps 53 yrs old male) Kathy

[Guest guest]

I second the idea of getting more Vitamin D in his body.  He should get outside at least 15 minutes every day and even longer if he won't burn.~WOn Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 6:19 PM, Customer Service <customer.help-desk@...> wrote:

 

What about a full body scan or thermogram?

From what I understand this may help find problems instead of bandaids.

 

But some regular labs are a good idea.

 

Try for now while he's getting tested, to have regular sleep patterns, get at least 15 minutes of sun everyday. Avoid sugar from the diet. Has he tried this yet?

 

I am sorry he's going through this...I can relate!!!

From: Kathy <sunbriar@...>Subject: depression/anxietyNaturalThyroidHormones , naturalThyroidHormoneAdrenals , hrt-nhrt , iodine

Date: Wednesday, August 26, 2009, 2:17 PM

 

Im asking for my fiance.. I need info on depression/anxiety disorder. they have been treating him with anti-depressants for over 20 years and now nothing is working, hes had to take leave from his job!!!!  They are talking about hopsitalizing him!  They have NEVER tested him for thyroid or anything else, as far as I know they give him pills for the symptoms and never look for the cause! so his last appointment I told him to ASK about thyroid testing and the Dr said " thats a good idea! " and wrote him labs for TSH only...  so next time Im gonna write down  tests he should get done! any suggestions would be helpful. his anxiety is very bad everyday and he cant do anything!  (ps 53 yrs old male)  Kathy

[Guest guest]

Hi - here's my two cents on depression. I have read that omega-3 is great for helping with depression. I take Coromega every day to prevent having any depression problems. There are studies that show it helps. They are treating the symptom - not the cause. Omega-3's are in fish oil that can be easily obtained at any drugstore - I just like Coromega because my son can take it. It is sweetened with stevia - so a little tart. Also has egg in it. It is in a small package - you squeeze it out and eat.

Hope he gets better,

LeAnn

depression/anxietyNaturalThyroidHormones , naturalThyroidHormoneAdrenals , hrt-nhrt , iodine Date: Wednesday, August 26, 2009, 2:17 PM

Im asking for my fiance.. I need info on depression/anxiety disorder. they have been treating him with anti-depressants for over 20 years and now nothing is working, hes had to take leave from his job!!!! They are talking about hopsitalizing him! They have NEVER tested him for thyroid or anything else, as far as I know they give him pills for the symptoms and never look for the cause! so his last appointment I told him to ASK about thyroid testing and the Dr said "thats a good idea!" and wrote him labs for TSH only... so next time Im gonna write down tests he should get done! any suggestions would be helpful. his anxiety is very bad everyday and he cant do anything! (ps 53 yrs old male) Kathy

[Guest guest]

Kari and all of you!I have been on meds for years, currently on Zoloft. As you probably know, it’s never a good idea to go cold turkey on those meds – it is extremely dangerous. I will continue to take them during the course of the program. Today is my first day of VLCD, so it’s just the beginning for me. I take HhCG drops sublingually. I have to keep reminding myself the reason I am doing this is not just to lose a pesky 30 lbs. It is mainly to HEAL my hypothalamus, which I have destroyed with my horrid habits, and to learn to eat correctly to maintain health for the rest of my life. I greatly appreciate all of the wonderful information and insights I have already gained, and also the support I hope to receive! Nothing tastes as good as healthy feels!