Epsom Salt (old messages listed together)

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Hi,

For detoxing a lot of people seem to use or have tried with bathing in Epsom

salt (also with mixing Epsom salt in their water, but I'm not discussing this

here).

Epsom-enthusiasts: , Shivani, Diane, Alison, bb, and Sue (not at

first). Ada too although she prefers sea salt (as Epsom salts were a little too

strong for her) (16725).

For this method you also seem to be careful that you don't detox too much too

fast, in message 4527 Ian mentions that his wife Sue first had probably overdone

it.

It seems like you have to try for yourself what seems the perfect amount of

Epsom salt and time to start with. Diane first only tolerated a copple of

minutes, later this was 40 minutes (11796).

Diane thinks (10579 + 10588) that the side effects from bathing in Epsom salt is

probably the same than the side effects from ionic foot baths done with an

ionisator (this is in my previous post). Side effects being: lymphatic overload

-> robbing nutrients (electrolytes) from the adrenals. Diane solves this with

taking Calcium AEP and pantethine.

Ian's message nr. 14761 (almost at the bottom of this e-mail) is also very

interesting...

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(1777):

For me, one of the most useful things I've learned for relief of elecrical

sensitivity symptoms is a bath in either salt(nacl) or epsom salt(mg2so4). A

pranic healing practicioner introduced me to it.

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Shivani (2942):

An Epsom salts soak (or standing on any equpotential plane, such as

aluminum foil) causes the high frequencies within the body to stop. This is

pure science.

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Snoshoe (3591):

I've done foot baths with epsom and dead sea salts,

and it does seem somehow beneficial. I've actually aborted a few

migraines with the dead sea salts. Just learned that by coincidence.

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Ian (4527):

In Sue's case it worked too well

- she had baths with Epsom salts (magnesium sulphate) to try to get

inorganic sulphate into her system (a deficiency specific to her). She got

a bad reaction - too much was absorbed and it released too many built-up

nasties from her system! So it seems that the skin is more permeable than I

thought, and it should be possible to remove toxins through it.

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Ian (4541):

It was a whole body bath that Sue did, and we think that too many internal

toxins were released in one go, and couldn't be eliminated fast enough.

Since then she has taken magnesium sulphate by mouth or IV drips, but with

the latter she has to go very slowly or she gets side reactions.

I believe the magnesium sulphate does pass into your skin, but if your

levels of both ions are reasonably normal, it shouldn't have any effect.

However, Sue's " sulphation pathway " for liver detox is not working - this

was shown by specialized tests. This means that organic sulphur she takes

in from foods, supplements etc. doesn't get metabolized to inorganic sulphur

- shown by cysteine levels being normal to high, and sulphate levels very

low. Epsom salts are the easiest way of getting inorganic sulphate into

someone, but the bath overdid it for Sue.

Some research has suggested that a broken sulphation pathway is a common

factor for quite a number of sufferers from ME/CFS/MCS type illnesses.

Substances which should normally be detoxified by that route build up in the

body, and/or overstress the body's other detox routes.

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Ian (5126):

I was initially sceptical (some months ago) that substances could pass

through the skin. However, Sue was advised by the hospital to take Epsom

salts baths (magnesium sulphate) to try to correct her low inorganic

sulphate levels. This worked - too well initially, as she got severe liver

detox symptoms! So it is possible for molecules to pass through the skin,

though they probably have to be water-soluble (and there might be a size

limit on large organic molecules?)

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Snoshoe replying on 5126 (5135):

Yes, just think of the all the dermal patches to deliver meds now.--

Or the LSD tests from decades ago on the doorknobs.

There is a size limit to entering the skin, but I don't recall it.

Read years back when I did Neways. They talked about it in their

skin care videos.

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Diane (6044):

Also,

soaking in sea salts or epsom salts, various herbs helps alot. I get lymphatic

swelling alot in my ankles and behind my knees. The salts soaks do wonders

immediately.

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Diane (6113 and 6374):

Anyway, one way you can get more magnesium without a tummy ache is to soak in

epsom salts baths.

In particular, I think that adding magnesium, both to my diet and in the form

of epsom salts baths, was one thing that personally helped my sleeping problem.

You might need to add only to diet or do the baths but not both.

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(8176):

Another way to get magnesium without ingesting anything: take Epsom salt

baths.

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Bb (8713):

I also find warm

baths with a bit of salt (I use epsom + sea mixed) help.

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(10030):

Traditional ionic bath (foot or anything) is Epsom Salts in water.

It's cheap, it works.

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Diane (10290):

Epsom salts baths have helped me overall, BUT oddly enough the cleaner I am,

the more I seem to react!! I think the ions on my skin change and create a

charge that attract the frequencies, but since I have no way to prove this, it

is just a theory of my own. I have read someone here recently mention bathing

helps them, but this is not my experience, tho it might be the epsom salts I use

to detox my skin is the difference.

Diane (10321):

I still use epsom salts baths for detoxing

instead.

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Alison (10371):

I am getting some good results from Epsom Salts baths

which detoxify you. If I have been on a computer for

a long time and have one of these baths, it takes away

that horrible numb feeling...it may help and it is

cheap to try.

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Diane (10579):

If epsom salts

where added, it could be that you had a quick imbalance of electrolytes. That

has happened with me during the salts baths that I use. I take calcium AEP and

pantethine--2 caps each every 20 mins or so until this resolves (for me, I also

get bp plummeting and I take my bp to check how this is resolving while

supplimenting the cal and pantethine). I do find that the cal AEP and

pantethine also help me after one of my " attacks " out riding around.

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Diane (10588):

Well, the thing these still all have in common is the ability to mobilize and

dump toxins into the lymphatic system (the footbath, epsom salts bath, and

emfs.) For the emfs, this is theory, we have discussed this in the past and

there are 2 camps of thought... they either kill cells or mobilize toxins,

either of which causes lymphatic overload. According to my nutritionist, when

the lymphatic system is overtaxed, it can rob nutrients from the adrenals, so

this makes alot of sense to me that panic attacks and adrenal stress would be

the result. I forgot to mention before, but I also have major temperature

dysregulation--sweats and chills--from this (besides bp plummeting, breathing

difficulty, and feeling of great anxiety and doom). That is another adrenal

dysregulation symptom. So I am fairly sure we are both experiencing the same

thing, Marc. Do you have a nutritionist? You might be able to get info on the

calcium AEP and pantethine I use for this from a

nutritionist.

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Diane (10919):

You might & nbsp;try epsom salts and or sea salts bathing or soaking & nbsp;which

helps & nbsp;the lymphatic system and see if this helps you & nbsp; & nbsp; Bear in

mind that it takes at least 3 soaks before you will see a ANY difference with

this and it might even be uncomfortable to you at first & nbsp; & nbsp; The first

time I tried this it felt like my skin was on fire and I could only tolerate

about 3 mins & nbsp; & nbsp; Now it feels soothing and I stay in at least 30 mins

and often longer & nbsp; & nbsp;

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Diane (11540):

Epsom salts baths is another help--helps you detox faster thru your skin. Make

sure you are drinking enough quality water. Alkaline water is most helpful.

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Diane (11544):

You might try epsom salts baths, too, as sometimes magnesium

imbalance can cause shakes/anxiety (or too much can do the same; if you have

been doing Epsom salts bathing, then consider that you might be getting too much

magnesium).

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Diane (11796):

When I first

started out, I could only tolerate being in the epsom salts soak for a couple

minutes. My skin felt like it was on fire! However, I can now tolerate 40 min

soaks. Also, I use about 2 lb of epsom salts to a bath (but depends on how big

your tub is). Or a liberal cup to 1 1/2 cup of sea salts. And sometimes I mix

these and use less of each. Your body will use up the amount of epsom salts it

needs. If the salts are gone in 5 mins, then you should use more, after you get

used to the soaks.

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Diane (13165):

Yes, I am the same--I react more and with worse symptoms on particular days.

For me, it depends alot on how much I happen to be detoxing (more detox=worse

symptoms) and when did I last take my epsom salts soak (I react much worse just

after having the bath, then I am usually much better for 2 to 5 days, then I get

worse again and know I need to take another soak.)

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Diane (13320):

I use sea salt (and epsom salts) for soaking toxins out of my body. I wash the

salts off before I get out of the tub--I tried leaving it on and it makes me

worse, es-wise. I do think this problem is due to a calcium ion channel

dysfunction (or tight junctions--same concept except tjs refer to the

blood-brain barrier cells.)

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(14041):

My acupuncturist who has treated me for EMF and other sensitivities and

allergies has recommended I do Epsom salt foot baths for 20 minutes each day.

He said it helps detox after the treatments. I have been doing them for over a

year and find I can skip a couple days, but if I skip about 5 days I start to

feel worse. Then if I do one I immediately feel better. I also notice if I'm

feeling particularly bad, my feet absorb all the Epsom salt and there is none

left after the 20 minutes. Most times there is some left. I've never had an

adverse reaction and it is cheap compared to other detox products.

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Ada (14091):

Hi steph. I used to do a decent cupfull after work in a foot bath , I think you

need to tailor it to suit yourself. The problem ive had since being back in the

uk is finding decent quailty epsom salts. What i find works just as well is

natural sea salt crystals , that one dissolves first on heat and then adds to

the foot bath water. I again use quite high quantities in myand find that the

tescos do a nice brand which I forget what its called , but begins with M.

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Ian (14593):

We think now that when she did magnesium

sulphate (Epsom salts) in a footbath early on and got a major reaction, it

detoxed too effectively and release lots of toxins that the body couldn't

handle - at the time we didn't know how low her sulphate levels were.

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Ian (14761):

In answer to Loni's question; magnesium sulphate is a simple compound and

both components can be beneficial. It also has the big advantage of being

cheap and easily available as " Epsom salts " - not a drug or supplement.

Magnesium is an essential mineral and can have particular benefits in

reducing inflammation etc. Sue has found it makes a big difference in

reducing the effect of her ES-induced tinnitus. It's considered to help the

nerve system, combat stress and some other diseases such as osteoporosis.

Sulphate is one of the 4 key " Phase 2 " liver detox pathways which help us

metabolise the things we eat and drink. If it's very low, the extra load is

thrown on other detox pathways or the substance may not be metabolised at

all and just builds up. Normally supplementation with cysteine or MSM is

used to help increase sulphur levels and the body converts this to sulphate.

However in Sue's case we found her cysteine levels were OK but sulphate

appallingly low, so her body isn't doing the conversion process. So she

needs direct magnesium sulphate supplementation - which is cheaper than MSM

or cysteine anyway.

Magnesium sulphate can be taken in 4 ways:

1. Orally, by dissolving Epsom salts in water and drinking it. Cheap and

easy, but if your gut is damaged (e.g. failing a leaky gut test), it may not

absorb by this route.

2. Through the skin, by dissolving Epsom salts in a bowl of water and using

it as a footbath. Again cheap, and usually very effective. Keep the dose

low at first, as you may detox a lot of accumulated toxins from the body

very suddenly and feel ill - this happened to Sue.

3. By injections. Effective, but can be painful (not from the needle, but

localised cramps and pain)

4. By intravenous infusion. The most effective method, gives a precise

quantity and delivers it straight into the bloodstream, but expensive

because it must be done at a clinic or private hospital. Again, can give

pain and cramps if too high a dose is used.

In large doses, magnesium sulphate is a laxative, so take care :-)

Herriot, who wrote a very popular and entertaining series of books about

life as a vet (familar to UK readers but probably not in North America?)

described how, in the days before drugs, he successfully treated calves for

lead poisoning (caused by them licking old paint) using Epsom salts, and the

farmer's comment " Eey-ar, you'll skitter the poor beggars to death! " But it

worked - basically another detoxification process.

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Ada (16725):

Thanks Evie. I find sea salt is a really nice detox compared to epsom salts

which appear to be a little too strong for me. Looking forward to see how the

dead sea salt goes.