RE: Quotation from 'Beyond'

[Guest guest]

" Curing aging is so far away that our actions today are irrelevant:

serendipitous future discoveries will determine when aging is cured "

No short answer to this could be persuasive; my answer is strong by virtue

of its attention to detail. To learn why I claim that we are likely to cure

aging within 30 or so years if we start trying, see my detailed science

pages, starting with this one. "

Aubrey de Grey

http://www.gen.cam.ac.uk/sens/why.htm

>From: " Rodney " <perspect1111@...>

>Reply-

>

>Subject: [ ] Quotation from 'Beyond'

>Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 12:19:33 -0000

>

>Hi folks:

>

>A couple of times I have referred to a statement I believed Roy

>Walford had made to the effect that he regarded CR as an excellent

>way to live long enough to be able to take advantage of the next

>major lifespan-extending technology.

>

>But I did not remember where I had heard it, and had not been able to

>locate the quote. Last night I found it. It is on page 137

>of 'Beyond'. Here it is:

>

> " Among those persons who stick to the program, I believe that many

>will break the present 110 year maximum lifespan barrier. Depending

>on how young they are when they start, a few should reach 140 to 150

>years of age, by which time, if not sooner, other, probably molecular

>genetic, manipulations will have extended the lifespan still further,

>and the CRON practitioners will have bridged the gap between ours and

>the era of 'the long-lived society'. "

>

>And I have the impression that he may have had in mind that

>eventually aging may be cured so that people will be able to live

>pretty much for ever. Given the incredible apparent acceleration in

>the rate of accumulation of scientific knowledge in recent decades,

>how much longer could that take?

>

>Rodney.

>

[Guest guest]

This conversation reminds me of the " cures " for menopause a number of years

ago - cures which now have been rejected for their ill effects. Aging and

dying are part of living. Aging is as normal as going through adolescence.

That said, I hope to remain vital and vibrant as long as possible. My

personal goal is just to extend those good years - not to live til 120. Of

course I'll take whatever I get but I'm not counting on it.

We've seen plenty of evidence that humans might not even mimic what happens

in animals afa CR.

And there are plenty of problems that will get in the way: accidents, wars,

murders, terrorists, new diseases that we don't know how to fight (the

microbes keep mutating to keep us guessing).

When they come up with a cures for the various cancers, maybe I'll start to

get excited.

on 9/9/2004 8:28 AM, Dowling at dowlic@... wrote:

> " Curing aging is so far away that our actions today are irrelevant:

> serendipitous future discoveries will determine when aging is cured "

>

> No short answer to this could be persuasive; my answer is strong by virtue

> of its attention to detail. To learn why I claim that we are likely to cure

> aging within 30 or so years if we start trying, see my detailed science

> pages, starting with this one. "

>

>

> Aubrey de Grey

>

> http://www.gen.cam.ac.uk/sens/why.htm

>

>

>

>

>> From: " Rodney " <perspect1111@...>

>> Reply-

>>

>> Subject: [ ] Quotation from 'Beyond'

>> Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 12:19:33 -0000

>>

>> Hi folks:

>>

>> A couple of times I have referred to a statement I believed Roy

>> Walford had made to the effect that he regarded CR as an excellent

>> way to live long enough to be able to take advantage of the next

>> major lifespan-extending technology.

>>

>> But I did not remember where I had heard it, and had not been able to

>> locate the quote. Last night I found it. It is on page 137

>> of 'Beyond'. Here it is:

>>

>> " Among those persons who stick to the program, I believe that many

>> will break the present 110 year maximum lifespan barrier. Depending

>> on how young they are when they start, a few should reach 140 to 150

>> years of age, by which time, if not sooner, other, probably molecular

>> genetic, manipulations will have extended the lifespan still further,

>> and the CRON practitioners will have bridged the gap between ours and

>> the era of 'the long-lived society'. "

>>

>> And I have the impression that he may have had in mind that

>> eventually aging may be cured so that people will be able to live

>> pretty much for ever. Given the incredible apparent acceleration in

>> the rate of accumulation of scientific knowledge in recent decades,

>> how much longer could that take?

>>

>> Rodney.

>>

[Guest guest]

Incidently, Dr Walford's unfortunate illness and death, is a perfect example

of the " best laid plans of mice and men "

on 9/9/2004 8:49 AM, Francesca Skelton at fskelton@... wrote:

> This conversation reminds me of the " cures " for menopause a number of years

> ago - cures which now have been rejected for their ill effects. Aging and

> dying are part of living. Aging is as normal as going through adolescence.

> That said, I hope to remain vital and vibrant as long as possible. My

> personal goal is just to extend those good years - not to live til 120. Of

> course I'll take whatever I get but I'm not counting on it.

>

> We've seen plenty of evidence that humans might not even mimic what happens

> in animals afa CR.

>

> And there are plenty of problems that will get in the way: accidents, wars,

> murders, terrorists, new diseases that we don't know how to fight (the

> microbes keep mutating to keep us guessing).

>

> When they come up with a cures for the various cancers, maybe I'll start to

> get excited.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi folks:

" Happiness is having something to look forward to " - anon

Rodney.

>

> > This conversation reminds me of the " cures " for menopause a

number of years

> > ago - cures which now have been rejected for their ill effects.

Aging and

> > dying are part of living. Aging is as normal as going through

adolescence.

> > That said, I hope to remain vital and vibrant as long as

possible. My

> > personal goal is just to extend those good years - not to live

til 120. Of

> > course I'll take whatever I get but I'm not counting on it.

> >

> > We've seen plenty of evidence that humans might not even mimic

what happens

> > in animals afa CR.

> >

> > And there are plenty of problems that will get in the way:

accidents, wars,

> > murders, terrorists, new diseases that we don't know how to fight

(the

> > microbes keep mutating to keep us guessing).

> >

> > When they come up with a cures for the various cancers, maybe

I'll start to

> > get excited.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Looking back at having lived a meaningful life can also being happiness as

well as other satisfactions having nothing to do with living forever. Some

people are content to leave descendents behind or to have made a significant

contribution to society or other much lesser goals. Of course, some believe

they are going on to a spiritual life when they die .

I think of people like my husband's two uncles, 95 and 94 (who are still

living independently). Sometimes I wonder what they (and people their age)

have to look forward to. Yet they often seem to be happy enough, or at

least content, in spite of a limited future. My mother was happy (and

independent) til she started declining at 97 1/2.

on 9/9/2004 9:22 AM, Rodney at perspect1111@... wrote:

> Hi folks:

>

> " Happiness is having something to look forward to " - anon

>

> Rodney.

[Guest guest]

" Live as if you were to die tomorrow. Learn as if you were to live forever!

"

Mohandas K. Gandhi

>From: Francesca Skelton <fskelton@...>

>Reply-

>< >

>Subject: Re: [ ] Re: Quotation from 'Beyond'

>Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 09:58:13 -0400

>

>

>Looking back at having lived a meaningful life can also being happiness as

>well as other satisfactions having nothing to do with living forever. Some

>people are content to leave descendents behind or to have made a

>significant

>contribution to society or other much lesser goals. Of course, some

>believe

>they are going on to a spiritual life when they die .

>

>I think of people like my husband's two uncles, 95 and 94 (who are still

>living independently). Sometimes I wonder what they (and people their age)

>have to look forward to. Yet they often seem to be happy enough, or at

>least content, in spite of a limited future. My mother was happy (and

>independent) til she started declining at 97 1/2.

>

>

>

>

>on 9/9/2004 9:22 AM, Rodney at perspect1111@... wrote:

>

> > Hi folks:

> >

> > " Happiness is having something to look forward to " - anon

> >

> > Rodney.

>

[Guest guest]

" Die Young.... just do it as late in life as possible " .

.... i forgot who said it.

[Guest guest]

" The idea is to die young as late as possible. "

Montagu

http://www.montagu.org/.htm

>From: " Jeff Novick " <jnovick@...>

>Reply-

>< >

>Subject: RE: [ ] Re: Quotation from 'Beyond'

>Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 10:38:13 -0400

>

> " Die Young.... just do it as late in life as possible " .

>

>... i forgot who said it.

>

>

>

><< winmail.dat >>

[Guest guest]

>

> A couple of times I have referred to a statement I believed Roy

> Walford had made to the effect that he regarded CR as an excellent

> way to live long enough to be able to take advantage of the next

> major lifespan-extending technology.

What other " major lifespan-extending technology " are you thinking of? If

you are referring to CR, then I think it might be slightly premature to

label it such at present. I'm not even sure that even if CR can help some

of us reach 120 years of age it could be called " lifespan extending " in and

of itself. After all, they wouldn't be the first to reach 120. As rare as

it is, it does happen from time to time that someone reaches that age

without special diets or treatments.

Oh, heck, I take that back. If I see 120 then you can call it whatever you

want

>

> And I have the impression that he may have had in mind that

> eventually aging may be cured so that people will be able to live

> pretty much for ever. Given the incredible apparent acceleration in

> the rate of accumulation of scientific knowledge in recent decades,

> how much longer could that take?

>

I like your optimism, but....

Exactly how much as accumulated scientific knowledge added to our lifespan

at present? Average lifespan even in developed countries is still under 80

years. Compare that with this quote from a 3,000+ year old text: " In

themselves the days of our years are seventy years;

And if because of special mightiness they are eighty... " (Ps. 90:10)

Science has certainly made progress in the last few millenia, however, as we

see, lifespans pretty much have remained the same.

Personally, I plan to live forever, and am doing whatever I can to that end.

In so doing, I hope to live as long and as well as possible, however long

that turns out to be.

chris

[Guest guest]

Hi folks:

Looking forward to seeing the progress of one's great-great-great

grandchildren sounds like fun to me. Or if you don't have them yet,

your great-great-great grandnieces/nephews. ................

Rodney.

>

> > Hi folks:

> >

> > " Happiness is having something to look forward to " - anon

> >

> > Rodney.