Re: Discussion on the Bioharmonics Website

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Hello Marc,

I have read the messages, and I do not agree with her viewpoint.

She claims to be a bioenergy researcher.

I posted the following (and became member):

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Hello ,

you claim that you have tested those products.

May we do know how you did that; by what means?

You are rather negative about Purple Plates.

I only have positive results; with people (when they have pains) and with

food (which stay much longer fresh).

I can measure the bioenergy with an electronic device which gives a readout

on a display. I measured a water sample, placed it on a Purple Plate for one

hour, and measured it again. A raise in bioenergy was very clear.

I must object to accusations that certain products on the market are not

working accordingly, based on findings with inadequate measuring equipment.

There are however a great number of products, who do what one may expect

them to do, but of which the working cannot be measured with the existing

equipment. I mean real measuring, not dowsing or similar.

I am a building biologist and have to deal with people who suffer from

environmental illnesses, like electrosensibility, so I know what I am

talking about.

Crystals, symbols, etc. can give a certain comfort with those people.

A lot of the symptoms, mentioned in the *Freiburger Appell*, may be lessend

by those.

At the moment the only way of knowing if things do work, is measuring

directly on *sick* people, with for instance electro acupuncture.

In the beginning I also was flabbergasted with everything, but now I accept

the fact that I cannaot explain everything rationally, but that nevertheless

certain things do what they are expected to do.

Claessens

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I cannot find my posting there. Perhaps is pondering about it.

But that is my opinion.

Of course, there are also worthless things on the market, from the

fast-money-boys, but there are also good things.

For ordinary people it is therefore very difficult to know what is good and

what is not.

Normally, it is not allowed in newsgroups to mention certain labels or

product names, but I find it good to name them here in , because that

is the information most members are looking for.

To put my nickel into the bucket, I, and others, are very satisfied with the

Bioprotect card, which is cheap also.

Greetings,

Claessens

member Verband Baubiologie

http://members.rott.chello.nl/cclaessens/

http://www.hese-project.org

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Discussion on the Bioharmonics Website

> Hi all,

>

> There is a discussion going on at the Bioharmonics website, which has

> essentially turned into a disagreement between myself and the person in

> charge of the company. Basically, it seems to be her opinion that most

> of the EMF devices available today are harmful to people's health --

> except hers, of course. My opinion is that I agree that her devices (the

> Springlife Polarizers) are good, but that shouldn't rule out that they

> may be even better used in combination with other devices. For example,

> I have found that while the Springlife Polarizers seem to be a complete

> solution for most environments, I find that they could use some help with

> large screen CRT monitors (note that they seem fine for LCD monitors).

> Anyway, if anyone wants to read (or participate) in this discussion, here

> is a link:

>

> http://forums.bioharmonics.com/index.php?showtopic=22

>

> Although, I wouldn't be surprised if they delete some of my posts!

> (after all, it might hurt their business)

>

> Marc

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> I cannot find my posting there. Perhaps is pondering about it.

> But that is my opinion.

Usually, posts appear immediately after you click on the appropriate

button. So perhaps you need to try again?

But I also disagree with her opinion, although I nevertheless like the

products she sells!

Marc

[Guest guest]

Hi Marc,

How do you have your EAV tester test you for which EMF protection devices you

should use at your computer at home and at work? I guess you don't bring the PC

equipment with you to the EAV tester?

BTW, I am interested in practical solutions, because I am using a kinesiologist

to achieve the same benefits myself.

Nikolaj Holtermann

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DK - 1174 København K

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email nvhh@...

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Discussion on the Bioharmonics Website

Hi all,

There is a discussion going on at the Bioharmonics website, which has

essentially turned into a disagreement between myself and the person in

charge of the company. Basically, it seems to be her opinion that most

of the EMF devices available today are harmful to people's health --

except hers, of course. My opinion is that I agree that her devices (the

Springlife Polarizers) are good, but that shouldn't rule out that they

may be even better used in combination with other devices. For example,

I have found that while the Springlife Polarizers seem to be a complete

solution for most environments, I find that they could use some help with

large screen CRT monitors (note that they seem fine for LCD monitors).

Anyway, if anyone wants to read (or participate) in this discussion, here

is a link:

http://forums.bioharmonics.com/index.php?showtopic=22

Although, I wouldn't be surprised if they delete some of my posts!

(after all, it might hurt their business)

Marc

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[Guest guest]

>How do you have your EAV tester test you for which EMF protection devices

>you >should use at your computer at home and at work? I guess you don't

>bring the PC >equipment with you to the EAV tester?

My EAV tester uses a mix of EAV testing and kinesiology. First, she uses

EAV testing to determine which combination of supplements I should be

taking to " balance " my organs. Since she does this by putting the

supplements on the EAV testing " tray " , she can also do the same thing with

EMF protection devices.

Then, when she has found the right combination of supplements and devices

with EAV testing, she then determines dosage with kinesiology. As far as I

can tell, she *thinks* of a certain dosage, and then does a muscle test on

whether or not that dosage is correct. So for the EMF protection devices,

she thinks of a particular device, or a particular place that device should

be located, or how long it should be worn, etc., and then does a muscle

test to see the bodies reaction.

Kinesiology is certainly a controversial subject, because to most people it

sounds totally ridiculous. In fact, it sounds no more scientific than

asking questions of a " Magic 8 Ball " . And yet, in my own personal

experience with recovery from this illness, kinesiology has repeatedly

proven itself in improving my health where other methods have repeatedly

failed.

I will say however that the results between practitioners are certainly NOT

consistent -- 3 years ago, I went to 3 different practitioners within a

week, bringing the same bag of supplements with me each time. Each

practitioner came up with a different subset of what I was supposed to

take. HOWEVER, there were a surprising amount of similarities in the

recommendations, and the supplements they chose were generally the ones

that I had already determined myself were working. So there are issues

with practitioner bias, and perhaps the questions they are asking, and also

the order that they put the supplements on your body (if they are testing

them all at once, not individually, then the results are order-dependent).

Also, there still seems to be a problem with kinesiolgy in general, in that

for example, a cocaine addict with test strong for taking more cocaine.

That is because when the body is addicted to something, it will test strong

for it whether it's good for you or not. So you can get false results. In

fact, I don't think most practitioners pay enough attention to this, so if

you've tried kinesiology but weren't happy with the results, you might be

do better by trying someone else.

Marc