Re: Elevated homocysteine levels

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Okay, here is one that may seem far fetched but try it. Recently I was informed that people who have a problem with sulfur breaking down properly will have problems with Homeocysteine, histamine and often thyroid issues. Simple solution drink a glass of grape juice in the morning with up to a spoon of honey. It starts the sulfur breakdown, separates the homocysteine and the chain reaction begins. Give it a try, can't hurt. Keep us posted.

Yours in Health,

Kathy lindamarieambrose <lindamarie@...> wrote:

I would appreciate information on ways to help a client lower his homocysteine levels, using the QXCI and any supportive modalities.After 6 months of taking 8mgs of folate, B6 & B12, his level droppedfrom a screaming high of 23 down to 19 (over 12 is considered high). He is currently taking Betaine Cystadane (a remethylation agent) buthis homocysteine level has not dropped below 19. Thank you, in advance, marie ............................................

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lindamarieambrose wrote:

>I would appreciate information on ways to help a client lower his

>homocysteine levels, using the QXCI and any supportive modalities.

>After 6 months of taking 8mgs of folate, B6 & B12, his level dropped

>from a screaming high of 23 down to 19 (over 12 is considered high).

>He is currently taking Betaine Cystadane (a remethylation agent) but

>his homocysteine level has not dropped below 19.

>Thank you, in advance, marie

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Dear marie,

The problem with this patient if indeed he is taking all the supplements you say he is taking is on of malabsorption. It is NOT what we take but what we ABSORB. Check his gut and get him off of ALL GLUTEN foods. If you are not able to rectify the problem with the QXCI put him on B complex injections.

Castiglia, MD

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Must share with you all a really great little book on homocysteine - easy to read, highly informative, lots of references and practical advice and reasonably cheap (£8.99)! The H Factor by Holford and Dr Braly, ISBN 0 7499 2419 5 pub.Piatkus (2003).

They suggest getting the level down to 9 or a super healthy 6.

As well as all the supplements which have been mentioned ie folic acid, B6, B12 and trimethylglycine (betaine) they recommend B2 and Zinc which are also necessary as co-factor nutrients to convert homocysteine. Advice is given re doses of all of these nutrients (which should be given in combination) depending on the clients homocysteine level.

There is a list prescribed medical drugs which have been found to raise homocysteine levels and an outline of a "ten-step H factor diet" which, along with the supplements, can help to reduce the level.

Also lists some companies which offer supplements containing combinations of the required nutrients:

Higher Nature www.higher-nature.co.uk

Solgar www.solgar.com

Health Interlink www.health-interlink.co.uk

Best book I've bought this year

Regards

Liz Kruk

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How much B12 is patient taking and in what form?

See:

Elevated Methylmalonic Acid and Total Homocysteine Levels Show High

Prevalence of Vitamin B12 Deficiency after Gastric Surgery

Anne E. Sumner, MD; Margaret M. Chin, PharmD; Janet L. Abrahm, MD;

Gerard T. Berry, MD; J. Gracely, PhD; H. , MD;

and Sally P. Stabler, MD

ls of Internal medicine, March 1996, Vol. 124 (5): 469-476

Objective: To determine the prevalence of vitamin B12 deficiency in

patients who have had gastric surgery.

Participants: 61 patients who had had gastric surgery and 107

controls.

Measurements: Serum levels of vitamin B12, folate, methylmalonic

acid, and total homocysteine measured before and after treatment in

participants with vitamin B12 deficiency. Vitamin B12 deficiency was

defined as one of the following: 1) a serum vitamin B12 level less

than 221 pmol/L and an elevated methylmalonic acid level; 2) a serum

vitamin B12 level less than 221 pmol/L and an elevated total

homocysteine level that decreased with vitamin B12 treatment; or 3)

in patients unavailable for treatment, a serum vitamin B12 level

less than 221 pmol/L, a folate level greater than 9 nmol/L, and an

elevated total homocysteine level.

Results: Study patients and controls were similar in age, sex, and

racial distribution. Nineteen patients (31%) and 2 controls (2%) had

vitamin B12 deficiency (P < 0.001). Twelve (63%) of the 19 vitamin

B12-deficient patients had elevated total homocysteine levels. In

all participants with vitamin B12 deficiency who received treatment

(15 of 21), methylmalonic acid and total homocysteine levels

decreased substantially, confirming the deficiency before treatment.

Conclusion: Patients who have had gastric surgery have a high

prevalence of vitamin B12 deficiency. Prompt recognition and

treatment of the deficiency with resultant normalization of elevated

total homocysteine and methylmalonic acid levels may prevent the

development of cardiovascular, hematologic, and neurologic

abnormalities. Our data support both frequent screening and vitamin

B12 replacement therapy in patients who have had gastric surgery and

have serum vitamin B12 levels less than 221 pmol/L.

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> Question on supplementation related to elevated homocysteine

levels

> today. I'm looking for recommendations to help this young woman.

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> We have a new patient who had a gastric bypass in 2002, many

challenges

> since including smoking and alcohol. Iron values are not normal (%

> saturation= 87.58%, iron 205, Transf 167, TIBC 234.1).

> Homocysteine for cardiac risk is 105.7 umol/L, with range 4.0-

12.0.

> That's 10 times the normal number.

> Would a recommendation be to supplement with a B-100 complex to

give

> her folate,B-12 and B-6 (all WNL but low) to assist in the

conversion

> of homocysteine?

> Any help is appreciated,

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> Thank you,

> Merri Lou Dobler, MS,RD,CD

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