Guest guest Posted November 8, 2004 Report Share Posted November 8, 2004 I feel the same. I have heard people pushing a sale saying that leukemia can be cured in 13 sessions, Parkinson's in 28, and depression becoming non-existent. It makes my skin crawl. I would like to see more RESPONSIBLE people owning a QX, with the big emphasis on RESPONSIBLE. However, I don't have a solution as to how to qualify people. I have been thinking that it might be good to convert all these names " cancer " , " diabetes " , etc to numbers. People can learn to do protocols with numbers, and would not get the shock of discovering they " have cancer " . Only thoroughly trained practitioners would get the names linked to numbers. I had a client who was bit by a Brown Recluse Spider three times. The QX said she was bit by an African Pit Viper! Probably the same type of poison, but the " name " was not accurate. It did not bother me, but that is what quackbusters revel in.leOn Sat, 06 Nov 2004 19:17:41 -0000, jadespring2003 wrote> > > Boy have I been getting some strange feedback from patients who've> gotten QX txs. from non licensed QX users. Some of them are sending> to the patients the initial print out list. This is not good form. > They think they have cancer, MS and all sorts of diseases.. This is> just the tip of the iceberg. I have to do a lot of educating and it> makes me angry that this kind of crap is going on out there. > ]> I want to get one thing off my chest: anyone can buy a QX, but the QX> is just one tool that a practitioner uses. They have a deeper> understanding of medicine and the human body mind spirit -- they are> not just button pushers. Perhaps a lot of people who are selling> their machines are finding out that just pushing buttons isn't doing> much. > > I really don't like to see the QX denigrated in this way. > > is Rotella, M.Ac.> > > > ............................................> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2004 Report Share Posted November 9, 2004 Well, here is my 2 cents. To the qx group, sorry in advance to wasting your time, I just get tired of listening to such nonsense. To Francisco, if you feel this email is not appropriate for the group then please delete it. To stevew and all that this applies to. Stop playing small and the victim. Spend some time and money and energy and get a biofeedback license since it seems like such a big issue for you. Get some training. Take some responsibility for yourself. Become part of the solution instead of part of the problem. Sorry if I appear a little harsh. I don't feel that there is a problem with the qx as much as a problem with people and attitudes like yours. Stop giving your power away to the qx and start using it as the tool it was designed for. If none of the above is a reasonable response for you then just sell the thing and move on with your life. There are always plenty of options if you want there to be plenty of options. Grow up and stop bothering us with such nonsense. Believe me there is plenty more I could add to this but it isn't worth the time. Hope you get the idea by now. Please don't think I'm trying to beat you up, that won't serve any of us either. I own the fact that I don't have the greatest bedside manner, and I apologize for that. Dwight ----------------------------------------------------This mailbox protected from junk email by MailFrontier Desktopfrom MailFrontier, Inc. http://info.mailfrontier.com Re: non licensed QX users Yep, they sell these things to anyone who will buy it. And I haveexperienced what you speak of regarding a printout and telling clients thatthey have all kinds of nasties. Wonder why these things are disliked by themedical community? There you have it. I have thought of selling minestrictly because I see no legal way to use it where I live. And not tomention that there seems to be an abundant supply of people who own them,and that includes the ones who like to say what the machine found.I have said it before and I will say it again, the legal issue with thesethings is terrible. The more people who have them who cannot wiselyinterperet the findings, the sooner legal action will be taken. Couldsomeone please tell me how to get around the biofeedback legality when theqx software no longer performs biofeedback? And by that I mean, there is noapplication that allows the client to influence the "bouncing balls" as itwere. I have yet to be able to find a working area anyway. And this issupposed to be a biofeedback device according to the loophole laws that Ihave read.Scary if you ask me. How fortunate for those who have some schooling or livein a state where it is less strict. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2004 Report Share Posted November 9, 2004 Yep, they sell these things to anyone who will buy it. And I have experienced what you speak of regarding a printout and telling clients that they have all kinds of nasties. Wonder why these things are disliked by the medical community? There you have it. I have thought of selling mine strictly because I see no legal way to use it where I live. And not to mention that there seems to be an abundant supply of people who own them, and that includes the ones who like to say what the machine found. I have said it before and I will say it again, the legal issue with these things is terrible. The more people who have them who cannot wisely interperet the findings, the sooner legal action will be taken. Could someone please tell me how to get around the biofeedback legality when the qx software no longer performs biofeedback? And by that I mean, there is no application that allows the client to influence the " bouncing balls " as it were. I have yet to be able to find a working area anyway. And this is supposed to be a biofeedback device according to the loophole laws that I have read. Scary if you ask me. How fortunate for those who have some schooling or live in a state where it is less strict. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2004 Report Share Posted November 9, 2004 Exactly. I think it is good, when these people sell their machine instead of claim to be a " practitioner " and open their own shady business (I had seen it happen), bringing more trouble on those who are hard-working professional practitioners. To me feels like when a blind gets a car and goes to drive on the highway - right next to me. Hajni Re: non licensed QX users Yep, they sell these things to anyone who will buy it. And I have experienced what you speak of regarding a printout and telling clients that they have all kinds of nasties. Wonder why these things are disliked by the medical community? There you have it. I have thought of selling mine strictly because I see no legal way to use it where I live. And not to mention that there seems to be an abundant supply of people who own them, and that includes the ones who like to say what the machine found. I have said it before and I will say it again, the legal issue with these things is terrible. The more people who have them who cannot wisely interperet the findings, the sooner legal action will be taken. Could someone please tell me how to get around the biofeedback legality when the qx software no longer performs biofeedback? And by that I mean, there is no application that allows the client to influence the " bouncing balls " as it were. I have yet to be able to find a working area anyway. And this is supposed to be a biofeedback device according to the loophole laws that I have read. Scary if you ask me. How fortunate for those who have some schooling or live in a state where it is less strict. ............................................. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2004 Report Share Posted November 10, 2004 Hi, I have been asked by clients to give them a printout, but do not have my QXCI hooked up to a printer. They then ask to copy it on a CD for them. I have not given any out as of yet, but some clients are persistant. What do I say in a case like this? I've been saying that this is for my own records, but they tell me that medical records are theirs for the asking. HELP! Any helpful suggestions. Thanks, Sandy > > > Boy have I been getting some strange feedback from patients who've > gotten QX txs. from non licensed QX users. Some of them are sending > to the patients the initial print out list. This is not good form. > They think they have cancer, MS and all sorts of diseases.. This is > just the tip of the iceberg. I have to do a lot of educating and it > makes me angry that this kind of crap is going on out there. > ] > I want to get one thing off my chest: anyone can buy a QX, but the QX > is just one tool that a practitioner uses. They have a deeper > understanding of medicine and the human body mind spirit -- they are > not just button pushers. Perhaps a lot of people who are selling > their machines are finding out that just pushing buttons isn't doing > much. > > I really don't like to see the QX denigrated in this way. > > is Rotella, M.Ac. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2004 Report Share Posted November 10, 2004 try this..if use ful I will post for downloading om www.qxcisynergy.co.uk Reportsare a struggle area! Kelsey Chapter Reports: Clients Explanations a.. The information from the QXCI represents unconscious electrical reactions from biofeedback. a.. This information is educational and not for diagnosis or treatment. a.. The QXCI gives information on possibilities, hints to explore further a.. It is the whole being (spiritual, emotional, mental, physical) a.. It is real time..now.at the time of testing Introduction There is a practitioner aspect and client expectations. There is the time and cost involved. In many cases it seems that detailed information saved is not used: to record focal aspects as you go seems to be quite effective. The main crunch is what to give the client! Practitioner Aspect · Consider your role · Consider what will be safe and flexible for you, in relation to your expertise/experience and the legalities of your country/insurance. · Consider the basis that the QX works on i.e. it is not diagnostic in the same way as blood tests. · Provide clients with a simple explanation of the QX, what will happen in a session, what to expect in the way of information, what other aspects you bring to a session, what they will go away with. If possible let them have this in advance to save time in the session. (E.G. the testing is like automated kinesiology) · The information that you give needs to be appropriate to the way you work and the client's reason for coming. Client Aspect · Clients expect a report from " technology " · Consider what clients really want: 1. To have a good idea of what areas are dysfunctional and what areas are healthy. 2. To have a set of clear recommendations for the way forward. 3. To have a report that they can make sense of: this means short, focused, concise. 4. They will ask you to look at changes from session to session: in fact the movements based on reactivities are not designed to be used this way. 5. At times something to show others! The Report Format Experience shows that it is confusing, possibly scary, generally not constructive and time consuming in phone call explanations to give the matrix printouts. If you are producing information for a specialist who understands the information being given then it is totally different. The simple choices are: · Selected Chartmaker color printouts in a client focal area and one that will be constructive in helping the client to change, will not be highly variable. I like the Organ Chart and explain that today these are the hyperactive (stressed) and hypoactive (struggling to fulfil their function), and that this is a dynamic situation. The organ pattern will change and the aim is to get them all in the same band with no big mountains or deep valleys. · An edited report as an overview When you go beyond the simple there are several fundamental options: 1.. Produce a word text report with all the relevant QX explanations and a.. Edit it b.. Include explanations This can take 1-2 hours and be up to 20 pages long: for most clients this is too much and the fee needs to reflect the work involved. 2.. Use a preformatted sheet and word process this to give a nice presentation. If you have an old computer then you may be able to do this during the therapy (depending on the therapy choice). 3.. Use a preformatted sheet with handwritten entries in various areas, with a carbon copy for your records. Report Concepts The following are the main possibilities in the author's opinion. 1.. Client issues. 2.. Lifestyle stressors and recommendations 3.. Focal areas from i. Questionnaires ii. Dialogue iii. QX Tests (and corroborated !) 4.. Particular Stressors (pathogens, nutrition, emotional etc.) 5.. Stressed organs 6.. In the case of say a digestive disorder the specific species possibly involved, or toxins etc. 7.. QX therapies performed 8.. Nutritional, supplements and remedy recommendations 9.. Next appointment Report Formats A variety of report formats are presented below: these are to enable development of reports appropriate to your practice and clients. In some countries a clear disclaimer may be required. There is no copyright on these formats: use copy and paste to make your own version. Report Style 1 Name Session date: Session No: Patient Review and Suggestions The following is based on a combination of information provided by you, hints of possible aspects involved in your health process from the QCXI dialogue and practitioner knowledge. As with all health therapy they are our input to assist your well being. Our recommendations are made with care. We can not always be definitive, do not state that our suggestions are the only way forward or that our findings are the only possibilities. It is important that you are comfortable with any suggestions that you choose to adopt and advise us promptly of any unexpected reactions. Purpose of Visit/ Issues 1 2 3 Summary of Focal Areas Significance (H/M/L) Notes Lifestyle stressors Imbalanced Systems Stressed Organs Toxicity Pathogens Perverse Energy Allergies Nutritional Imbalances Trauma Heredity Emotion aspects Summary Proposals Lifestyle Changes Dietary Remedies/Supplements Therapy Biofeedback Therapies performed General Balancing Specific System Organ Other BioEnergy Partnership: Summary Report Name Session date: Session No: Patient Review and Suggestions The following is based on a combination of information provided by you, hints of possible aspects involved in your health process from the QCXI dialogue and practitioner knowledge. As with all health therapy they are our input to assist your well being. Our recommendations are made with care. We can not always be definitive, do not state that our suggestions are the only way forward or that our findings are the only possibilities. It is important that you are comfortable with any suggestions that you choose to adopt and advise us promptly of any unexpected reactions. Purpose of Visit/Issues 1 2 3 4 Summary of Focal Areas The table indicates our current assessment of H=probable concern, M=possible concern, L=does not appear a concern at present (alternatively use a 1-10, A-E scale or let the client select) Lifestyle stressors Nutritional Toxicity Imbalanced Systems Trauma Pathogens Stressed Organs Heredity Allergies Emotion aspects Perverse Energy LIFESTYLE ISSUES Your SOC (lifestyle suppression and obstruction to cure is: The following guidelines apply SOC Value Hints <50 Nearly everyone should be able to achieve this: lifestyle is good and energy medicine should be effective. 50-100 Some changes will be beneficial, energy medicine generally effective. 100-200 Lifestyle changes are needed, remedies will be helpful in supporting changes and restoring system, energy therapy will be partly effective. >200 Major lifestyle changes are required The lifestyle changes that will be beneficial are: Change SOC Reduction Notes Synthetic Drugs Smoking Steroids Metal/ amalgam fillings Street drugs Unresolved issues Ownership of health process Dietary fat/ weight management Stress Sugar Enjoyable Exercise Alcohol Caffeine Water, fruit juice, herbal teas Summary of Focal Areas Significance (H/M/L) Notes Lifestyle stressors Imbalanced Systems Stressed Organs Toxicity Pathogens Perverse Energy Allergies Nutritional Imbalances Trauma Heredity Emotion aspects Therapies performed Notes General Balancing Specific System/ Organ etc. Summary Proposals Lifestyle Changes Dietary Remedies/Supplements See attached Therapy Kelsey PhD QXCI User Manual Author, Advanced Trainer Visit www.qxcisynergy.co.uk for tech infos Re: non licensed QX users Hi, I have been asked by clients to give them a printout, but do not have my QXCI hooked up to a printer. They then ask to copy it on a CD for them. I have not given any out as of yet, but some clients are persistant. What do I say in a case like this? I've been saying that this is for my own records, but they tell me that medical records are theirs for the asking. HELP! Any helpful suggestions. Thanks, Sandy > > > Boy have I been getting some strange feedback from patients who've > gotten QX txs. from non licensed QX users. Some of them are sending > to the patients the initial print out list. This is not good form. > They think they have cancer, MS and all sorts of diseases.. This is > just the tip of the iceberg. I have to do a lot of educating and it > makes me angry that this kind of crap is going on out there. > ] > I want to get one thing off my chest: anyone can buy a QX, but the QX > is just one tool that a practitioner uses. They have a deeper > understanding of medicine and the human body mind spirit -- they are > not just button pushers. Perhaps a lot of people who are selling > their machines are finding out that just pushing buttons isn't doing > much. > > I really don't like to see the QX denigrated in this way. > > is Rotella, M.Ac. ............................................. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2004 Report Share Posted November 10, 2004 If you are not a 'MEDICAL DOCTOR' you have NO 'medical' records to give out. You shouldn't be using any 'MEDICAL' terms or words in the client conultation interface if you are not a medical doctor. Any terms or terminology that is Greek or Latin in nature is reserved for the 'medical' or licensed practictioners use only. Find other words to describe to your clients what you may see come up in the EPFX in regards to subtle energy data suggestions. If you think I am choosing my words here carefully you are correct. Remember if you walk, talk, or quack like a duck - you are one. So if you are not licensed in some way - you are not allowed 'by law' to talk or be a duck. I hope you make the connection here. I wish the various seminars on the EPFX would teach more in depth how to make the translations from what comes up in the EPFX to regular English words and concepts, plus how to do health consulting as a profession really legally. Also, the things one can put into place to be considered professional. There is much to this subject. Best to all, Moneca -- Original Message ----- From: relies1 qxci-english Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 11:25 AM Subject: Re: non licensed QX users Hi,I have been asked by clients to give them a printout, but do not have my QXCI hooked up to a printer. They then ask to copy it on a CD for them. I have not given any out as of yet, but some clients are persistant. What do I say in a case like this? I've been saying that this is for my own records, but they tell me that medical records are theirs for the asking. HELP! Any helpful suggestions. Thanks, Sandy > > > Boy have I been getting some strange feedback from patients who've> gotten QX txs. from non licensed QX users. Some of them are sending> to the patients the initial print out list. This is not good form. > They think they have cancer, MS and all sorts of diseases.. This is> just the tip of the iceberg. I have to do a lot of educating and it> makes me angry that this kind of crap is going on out there. > ]> I want to get one thing off my chest: anyone can buy a QX, but the QX> is just one tool that a practitioner uses. They have a deeper> understanding of medicine and the human body mind spirit -- they are> not just button pushers. Perhaps a lot of people who are selling> their machines are finding out that just pushing buttons isn't doing> much. > > I really don't like to see the QX denigrated in this way. > > is Rotella, M.Ac............................................. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2004 Report Share Posted November 10, 2004 Well Dwight, your bite is not as sharp as it could be. Let me digress then since you are so adamant that I am whatever it is that I am. In the state of Montana, the laws state that practicing medicine would include diagnosing or prescribing. I can circumvent that to a point by using proper terminology and by NOT saying certain things. However, most people that you work on WANT a diagnosis or prescription for thier ailments. Even letting them see the screens will set them off on a tangent. I understand this machine and it's theories. I can explain how these are reactions of the body to frequencies, and how it is subtle and may or may not be correct. Yet, they still see it, and believe it. In regards to your comment on getting some training, I do have all the "so called" training that Quantum Life recommends (maybe not all, but enough), as well as other expensive "seminars" from B, and the other bought courses which give me a "certificate" to hang on the wall. I have lot's of protocols to work with. And know of numerous fine supplemental products to "prescribe" as it were. If I want to get a real biofeedback license for the U S of A, I need to get into an expensive, time consuming course. And, one needs to have a bachelor degree in something or another to even qualify. Biofeedback by definition would be more the "feedback" part than the "bio" part. A typical recognized (by insurance at least) biofeedback session would be hooking up to a machine, and then attempting to influence something (such as the bouncing balls), this being the "feedback" portion. This is what trains you to control things such as pain. Again, I state that the QXCI program has NO working "feedback" portion, other than the VARHO areas. That I can find anyway. Now, tell me what happens if I have the so called biofeedback certification from Canada, when a client complains to the powers that be that they have had ??? problems since seeing me? The powers come in and examin my credentials. I have a hokey Immune University certificate, a cheesy Canada biofeedback certificate, a lame Nutritional Wellness, etc etc. What do these mean? They mean that biofeedback, as being deregulated is allowed. However, they also mean that I must be doing biofeedback. They also mean that I should have biofeedback equipment, which technically the QXCI is not. Now, what do you suppose the powers will think when I show them the Q? They will obviously wonder about the Cancer that came up, or the leukemia. They will wonder where it references to lack of vitamin or toxic build up of X. The powers do not like this stuff because the even higher powers don't like it. We all know that. And what of those who do tell people that the machine says they have cancer? or that they have lupus? What do you think a MD will say to that? Am I hiding behind a certificate from Hungary? or Cananda? Will that protect me? In a world which only wanted the best for itself, a machine such as this would do great. You could work on people, and the MD's might like to see the reports so they could investigate more thoroughly. You might make suggestions as to which herbs might help, or which homeopathic remedy is good in a situation such as this. But, I do not live in such a world. I live in a world where everyone wants to blame someone else for thier problems. A world where using my interest and knowledge to try and help someone help themselves could quickly land me in a lawsuit for "playing doctor". I have no desire to go to school and take courses on stuff I care nothing about. Yet, as you suggested me to get educated, that is what I would be doing. How much money and time would I spend on stuff that would not really relate to what it is I am going to school for? Or perhaps I should just take courses from Immune University. That would really impress the AMA I am sure. No Sir, I have no problem. I am confident that this machine can do some of the things it states it can. And I have seen some fairly amazing results. And contrary to what you may think, I am not whining about these things. I have bought something that I thinks works. I was hoping to be able to supplement my income as well has help my family and friends. Well, the income part is more complicated that it appears. Perhaps in your state/country things are a little more leniant. Am I the victim? If so, of what? While I do think there should be more information as to what state/country has laws that affect the use of this, I am no victim. I researched it heavily. I prayed about it extensively. I felt I was supposed to buy this machine. It has helped a number of people including myself. I am no victim, but I do think one could be easily misled as to its use, effectiveness, and business aspects of it. As for taking some responsibility for myself, you make a judgement call prematurely. As for the attitude like mine, well sir, it is not entirely negative. Just disappointed that the information I have now was not presented before-hand. As for growing up, by what do you mean? Am I calling names? NO. Am I mocking people who use it? NO. Am I stating that I find an issue with how to legally use this? YES. I am sorry if that is immature, but that seems like a pretty big deal to me. I cannot afford to just have this for the fun of it. Yet at the same time, I have a family, a house, a car, and belongings that I don't want to jeopardize because the legality of this is in question. I take no offense at your comments. Actually, they are well thought out I think. And perhaps even deserving. I leave you with this though. If you signed the importation agreement, you stated that this was used for experimental or personal use only. If you could please tell me, how can you legally make money with it? Entertainment? That thought has bugged me since the beginning. Wishing you well. SteveW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2004 Report Share Posted November 10, 2004 You can copy the graphs easily and that usually satisfies your clients. Do a print screen of the page you want by clicking on Shift and the print screen button on the top line of your keyboard. Occasionally, the computer uses a different command (it will show on the print screen button one of mine has the alt on it so I know on that machine I need to push the alt and the print screen. Now I open my Microsoft word program (under the "START" button and then under the programs listing.) Go to the top of the page and click the paste icon (or go to edit in the ruler bar then paste) your picture is there. Copy as many as you want this way, just minimize the page between items your working on. After that you can go to the file drop down and choose the "save as" and tell it which file you want to put it in and which drive. Disk on D or E or a floppy on A or B depending on your computer. Hope that helps. Kathyrelies1 <Doula54@...> wrote: Hi,I have been asked by clients to give them a printout, but do not have my QXCI hooked up to a printer. They then ask to copy it on a CD for them. I have not given any out as of yet, but some clients are persistent. What do I say in a case like this? I've been saying that this is for my own records, but they tell me that medical records are theirs for the asking. HELP! Any helpful suggestions. Thanks, Sandy > > > Boy have I been getting some strange feedback from patients who've> gotten QX txs. from non licensed QX users. Some of them are sending> to the patients the initial print out list. This is not good form. > They think they have cancer, MS and all sorts of diseases.. This is> just the tip of the iceberg. I have to do a lot of educating and it> makes me angry that this kind of crap is going on out there. > ]> I want to get one thing off my chest: anyone can buy a QX, but the QX> is just one tool that a practitioner uses. They have a deeper> understanding of medicine and the human body mind spirit -- they are> not just button pushers. Perhaps a lot of people who are selling> their machines are finding out that just pushing buttons isn't doing> much. > > I really don't like to see the QX denigrated in this way. > > is Rotella, M.Ac. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2004 Report Share Posted November 10, 2004 I simply tell my clients that it is a legal issue and a printout cost a fellow practitioner $50,000 once and I simply cannot take that risk. d > > From: " relies1 " <Doula54@...> > Date: 2004/11/10 Wed PM 12:25:00 EST > qxci-english > Subject: Re: non licensed QX users > > Hi, I have been asked by clients to give them a printout, but do not have my QXCI hooked up to a printer. They then ask to copy it on a CD for them. I have not given any out as of yet, but some clients are persistant. What do I say in a case like this? I've been saying that this is for my own records, but they tell me that medical records are theirs for the asking. HELP! Any helpful suggestions. Thanks, Sandy > > > Boy have I been getting some strange feedback from patients who've > gotten QX txs. from non licensed QX users. Some of them are sending > to the patients the initial print out list. This is not good form. > They think they have cancer, MS and all sorts of diseases.. This is > just the tip of the iceberg. I have to do a lot of educating and it > makes me angry that this kind of crap is going on out there. > ] > I want to get one thing off my chest: anyone can buy a QX, but the QX > is just one tool that a practitioner uses. They have a deeper > understanding of medicine and the human body mind spirit -- they are > not just button pushers. Perhaps a lot of people who are selling > their machines are finding out that just pushing buttons isn't doing > much. > > I really don't like to see the QX denigrated in this way. > > is Rotella, M.Ac. ............................................. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2004 Report Share Posted November 11, 2004 Hi Sandy I strongly recommend that you do not print off the report for a client as it is very open to misinterpretation and you will be plagued by phone calls asking for interpretations by clients. Tell the client that it is not written in a form for a non-trained person to interpret. I present a client where necessary with my own hand written report which I write in a very simplified , easy to read manner. I keep it general and to avoid the possibility of interpretation as a diagnosis I refer to the information as 'Significant reactions for today " - I also use the words imbalance in... energetic dysfunction...stress in....suboptimal function of...stagnent/blocked/low energy in.. abnormal reaction to.... predisposed to... risk of... - none of which is a diagnostic term but still implies a problem/weakness. I hope this helps Donna Milligan > From: " relies1 " <Doula54@...> > Reply-qxci-english > Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 17:25:00 -0000 > qxci-english > Subject: Re: non licensed QX users > > > > Hi, > I have been asked by clients to give them a printout, but do not > have my QXCI hooked up to a printer. They then ask to copy it on a > CD for them. I have not given any out as of yet, but some clients > are persistant. What do I say in a case like this? I've been > saying that this is for my own records, but they tell me that > medical records are theirs for the asking. HELP! Any helpful > suggestions. Thanks, Sandy > > >> >> >> Boy have I been getting some strange feedback from patients who've >> gotten QX txs. from non licensed QX users. Some of them are > sending >> to the patients the initial print out list. This is not good > form. >> They think they have cancer, MS and all sorts of diseases.. This > is >> just the tip of the iceberg. I have to do a lot of educating and > it >> makes me angry that this kind of crap is going on out there. >> ] >> I want to get one thing off my chest: anyone can buy a QX, but > the QX >> is just one tool that a practitioner uses. They have a deeper >> understanding of medicine and the human body mind spirit -- they > are >> not just button pushers. Perhaps a lot of people who are selling >> their machines are finding out that just pushing buttons isn't > doing >> much. >> >> I really don't like to see the QX denigrated in this way. >> >> is Rotella, M.Ac. > > > > > > > > > ............................................ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2004 Report Share Posted November 11, 2004 Your policy is not to give out printouts because unless one is trained in using the QXCI, no one else can interpret them. You set the rules, not the clients. Make it clear at the outset that no paper leaves your office and if they moan and groan, wish them a pleasant day. is Rotella, M.Ac. Arnold, Md. > > > > > > Boy have I been getting some strange feedback from patients who've > > gotten QX txs. from non licensed QX users. Some of them are > sending > > to the patients the initial print out list. This is not good > form. > > They think they have cancer, MS and all sorts of diseases.. This > is > > just the tip of the iceberg. I have to do a lot of educating and > it > > makes me angry that this kind of crap is going on out there. > > ] > > I want to get one thing off my chest: anyone can buy a QX, but > the QX > > is just one tool that a practitioner uses. They have a deeper > > understanding of medicine and the human body mind spirit -- they > are > > not just button pushers. Perhaps a lot of people who are selling > > their machines are finding out that just pushing buttons isn't > doing > > much. > > > > I really don't like to see the QX denigrated in this way. > > > > is Rotella, M.Ac. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2004 Report Share Posted November 12, 2004 because AMA/FDA OWNED ALL THE WORDS THAT RELATE TO CURE,DIAGNOSIS ..AND WE HAVE TO BE CLEAR IN WHAT WE SAY. I THINK CREATING A COMMOM LAUNGAGE THAT WE CAN USE WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL. NUMBERS COULD WORK. THERE ARE ALWAYS PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE. IF IT IS OUR JOB TO SHARE THE INFO FROM THE QX SO THAT EACH PERSON CAN HAVE THE KNOWLEDGE TO TAKE FULL RESPONSIBILITY FOR THEIR OWN HEALTH AND WELLBEING. IT DOES SEEM WE MIGHT REALIZE THE SAME APPLIES TO US. how is anyone operating the qx without training is what I want to know. how could they possible learn to be effective, without training. --- quantumliving <drd@...> wrote: > I feel the same. I have heard people pushing a sale > saying that leukemia can be cured in 13 sessions, > Parkinson's in 28, and depression becoming > non-existent. It makes my skin crawl. I would like > to see more RESPONSIBLE people owning a QX, with the > big emphasis on RESPONSIBLE. However, I don't have a > solution as to how to qualify people. I have been > thinking that it might be good to convert all these > names " cancer " , " diabetes " , etc to numbers. People > can learn to do protocols with numbers, and would > not get the shock of discovering they " have cancer " . > Only thoroughly trained practitioners would get the > names linked to numbers. I had a client who was bit > by a Brown Recluse Spider three times. The QX said > she was bit by an African Pit Viper! Probably the > same type of poison, but the " name " was not > accurate. It did not bother me, but that is what > quackbusters revel in. > > le > > On Sat, 06 Nov 2004 19:17:41 -0000, jadespring2003 > wrote > > > > > > Boy have I been getting some strange feedback from > patients who've > > gotten QX txs. from non licensed QX users. Some > of them are sending > > to the patients the initial print out list. This > is not good form. > > They think they have cancer, MS and all sorts of > diseases.. This is > > just the tip of the iceberg. I have to do a lot > of educating and it > > makes me angry that this kind of crap is going on > out there. > > ] > > I want to get one thing off my chest: anyone can > buy a QX, but the QX > > is just one tool that a practitioner uses. They > have a deeper > > understanding of medicine and the human body mind > spirit -- they are > > not just button pushers. Perhaps a lot of people > who are selling > > their machines are finding out that just pushing > buttons isn't doing > > much. > > > > I really don't like to see the QX denigrated in > this way. > > > > is Rotella, M.Ac. > > > > > > > > ............................................ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2004 Report Share Posted November 13, 2004 Here is what we are doing. We made it a policy not to give out reports. We used to copy just our notes pages, but found this could get us in trouble. Just because we understand that this is not intended to be medical diagnosis, that does not mean the client will understand that. We tell clients that we do not want them to become " attached " to specific conditions, but use this as a general guide to improve health. We also point out that every time we run a session, much of what they see will change. Hopefully, that is an outcome of the work we do, besides the natural variation of the testing. We also tell our clients because of legal reasons, we cannot provide those kinds of reports. What we do, though, is give them a pen, pad, and paper to let them take any notes they would like. Hope that gives you some ideas. Regards, > > > Hi, > I have been asked by clients to give them a printout, but do not > have my QXCI hooked up to a printer. They then ask to copy it on a > CD for them. I have not given any out as of yet, but some clients > are persistant. What do I say in a case like this? I've been > saying that this is for my own records, but they tell me that > medical records are theirs for the asking. HELP! Any helpful > suggestions. Thanks, Sandy > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2004 Report Share Posted November 15, 2004 I feel very strongly about this too . It is a serious problem. For years QX device was sold in the UK without proper training and users did not know how to interpret the matrix data. Many got excited about the numbers in the red and jumped to false conclusions. Even now many are still unable to make head or tail about the data - I know this because I am now a QX trainer and I meet many many users in many countries. How do we overcome this problem? We are all responsible for its proper use. 1. BROKERS - I am one in the UK - MUST inform any prospective buyer that the QX/SCIO is a tool. It does not cure anything, it simply allows users to make an assessment of imbalances and stressers in the body at different levels. It is a homeopathic device and therefore it can only STIMULATE the body to deal with the imbalances etc. 2. TRAINERS - of which I am one - are responsible for providing proper training to users. I think Trainers must have exceptional knowledge of the way the body functions at the five different levels to be able to teach users how to make connections with all the data on the Test matrix. Training is NOT merely button pushing - we all can do that. 3. THERAPISTS - I am one - must educate the client and therefore must have knowledge about the body at different levels and the etiology of diseases. Therapists are "doctors=teachers" to the clients and must guide, encourage and show them to walk the healing path. Consequently therpists must keep up with training all the time; they have to make time to acquire more knowledge, what in the UK is called Continuous Professional development (CPD). It's not easy or cheap but it's vital. 4. The CLIENT must be told that no device can heal a disease. A device is one of many things that can help the client to harness the healing powers of the body to heal itself. The client has the ultimate responsibilty to heal his/herself. I have been making a great effort to put things right in the UK in the last two years, to teach QX/SCIO users to use the device intelligently and responsibly and we now have a growing group of very competent, confident and ethical users. The QX/SCIO is a God send, we owe it our love and respect. Blessings, Azizah Clayton quantumliving wrote: I feel the same. I have heard people pushing a sale saying that leukemia can be cured in 13 sessions, Parkinson's in 28, and depression becoming non-existent. It makes my skin crawl. I would like to see more RESPONSIBLE people owning a QX, with the big emphasis on RESPONSIBLE. However, I don't have a solution as to how to qualify people. I have been thinking that it might be good to convert all these names "cancer", "diabetes", etc to numbers. People can learn to do protocols with numbers, and would not get the shock of discovering they "have cancer". Only thoroughly trained practitioners would get the names linked to numbers. I had a client who was bit by a Brown Recluse Spider three times. The QX said she was bit by an African Pit Viper! Probably the same type of poison, but the "name" was not accurate. It did not bother me, but that is what quackbusters revel in. le On Sat, 06 Nov 2004 19:17:41 -0000, jadespring2003 wrote > > > Boy have I been getting some strange feedback from patients who've > gotten QX txs. from non licensed QX users. Some of them are sending > to the patients the initial print out list. This is not good form. > They think they have cancer, MS and all sorts of diseases.. This is > just the tip of the iceberg. I have to do a lot of educating and it > makes me angry that this kind of crap is going on out there. > ] > I want to get one thing off my chest: anyone can buy a QX, but the QX > is just one tool that a practitioner uses. They have a deeper > understanding of medicine and the human body mind spirit -- they are > not just button pushers. Perhaps a lot of people who are selling > their machines are finding out that just pushing buttons isn't doing > much. > > I really don't like to see the QX denigrated in this way. > > is Rotella, M.Ac. > > > > ............................................ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2004 Report Share Posted November 15, 2004 Best to have a typed report of your own (pre-typed with your name, qualifications, client's name, date, various headings + recommendations for changes in diet, lifestyle, supplements, etc + a waiver at the bottom) where you can write down, even better get the client to write them down as you go along (that's what I do): 1. VARHOPE values and explain briefly what they are 2. Relevant test items in the reds, pinks , yellows and the very bottoms - not too many - which indicate stresses and imbalances. 3. Findings in other panels 4. Energetic treatments given 5. Your summary, recommendations etc. etc etc. A print out is a bad idea because the test matrix only shows reactivities and they will mean nothing to the client - you must explain why this is so. Be well, Azizah relies1 wrote: Hi, I have been asked by clients to give them a printout, but do not have my QXCI hooked up to a printer. They then ask to copy it on a CD for them. I have not given any out as of yet, but some clients are persistant. What do I say in a case like this? I've been saying that this is for my own records, but they tell me that medical records are theirs for the asking. HELP! Any helpful suggestions. Thanks, Sandy Boy have I been getting some strange feedback from patients who've gotten QX txs. from non licensed QX users. Some of them are sending to the patients the initial print out list. This is not good form. They think they have cancer, MS and all sorts of diseases.. This is just the tip of the iceberg. I have to do a lot of educating and it makes me angry that this kind of crap is going on out there. ] I want to get one thing off my chest: anyone can buy a QX, but the QX is just one tool that a practitioner uses. They have a deeper understanding of medicine and the human body mind spirit -- they are not just button pushers. Perhaps a lot of people who are selling their machines are finding out that just pushing buttons isn't doing much. I really don't like to see the QX denigrated in this way. is Rotella, M.Ac. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2004 Report Share Posted November 16, 2004 Why is there not a comprehensive manual that explains all this in detail? I agree, many are using the QXCI improperly, tho more out of ignorance than greed...Azizah Clayton <azizah.clayton@...> wrote: I feel very strongly about this too . It is a serious problem. For years QX device was sold in the UK without proper training and users did not know how to interpret the matrix data. Many got excited about the numbers in the red and jumped to false conclusions. Even now many are still unable to make head or tail about the data - I know this because I am now a QX trainer and I meet many many users in many countries.How do we overcome this problem? We are all responsible for its proper use.1. BROKERS - I am one in the UK - MUST inform any prospective buyer that the QX/SCIO is a tool. It does not cure anything, it simply allows users to make an assessment of imbalances and stressers in the body at different levels. It is a homeopathic device and therefore it can only STIMULATE the body to deal with the imbalances etc.2. TRAINERS - of which I am one - are responsible for providing proper training to users. I think Trainers must have exceptional knowledge of the way the body functions at the five different levels to be able to teach users how to make connections with all the data on the Test matrix. Training is NOT merely button pushing - we all can do that.3. THERAPISTS - I am one - must educate the client and therefore must have knowledge about the body at different levels and the etiology of diseases. Therapists are "doctors=teachers" to the clients and must guide, encourage and show them to walk the healing path. Consequently therpists must keep up with training all the time; they have to make time to acquire more knowledge, what in the UK is called Continuous Professional development (CPD). It's not easy or cheap but it's vital.4. The CLIENT must be told that no device can heal a disease. A device is one of many things that can help the client to harness the healing powers of the body to heal itself. The client has the ultimate responsibilty to heal his/herself.I have been making a great effort to put things right in the UK in the last two years, to teach QX/SCIO users to use the device intelligently and responsibly and we now have a growing group of very competent, confident and ethical users.The QX/SCIO is a God send, we owe it our love and respect. Blessings, Azizah Claytonquantumliving wrote: I feel the same. I have heard people pushing a sale saying that leukemia can be cured in 13 sessions, Parkinson's in 28, and depression becoming non-existent. It makes my skin crawl. I would like to see more RESPONSIBLE people owning a QX, with the big emphasis on RESPONSIBLE. However, I don't have a solution as to how to qualify people. I have been thinking that it might be good to convert all these names "cancer", "diabetes", etc to numbers. People can learn to do protocols with numbers, and would not get the shock of discovering they "have cancer". Only thoroughly trained practitioners would get the names linked to numbers. I had a client who was bit by a Brown Recluse Spider three times. The QX said she was bit by an African Pit Viper! Probably the same type of poison, but the "name" was not accurate. It did not bother me, but that is what quackbusters revel in. le On Sat, 06 Nov 2004 19:17:41 -0000, jadespring2003 wrote > > > Boy have I been getting some strange feedback from patients who've > gotten QX txs. from non licensed QX users. Some of them are sending > to the patients the initial print out list. This is not good form. > They think they have cancer, MS and all sorts of diseases.. This is > just the tip of the iceberg. I have to do a lot of educating and it > makes me angry that this kind of crap is going on out there. > ] > I want to get one thing off my chest: anyone can buy a QX, but the QX > is just one tool that a practitioner uses. They have a deeper > understanding of medicine and the human body mind spirit -- they are > not just button pushers. Perhaps a lot of people who are selling > their machines are finding out that just pushing buttons isn't doing > much. > > I really don't like to see the QX denigrated in this way. > > is Rotella, M.Ac. > > > > ............................................ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2004 Report Share Posted November 16, 2004 I also tell people not to get caught up in the present -- because once they are treated, that becomes their history. is Rotellad > >> > >> > >> Boy have I been getting some strange feedback from patients who've > >> gotten QX txs. from non licensed QX users. Some of them are > > sending > >> to the patients the initial print out list. This is not good > > form. > >> They think they have cancer, MS and all sorts of diseases.. This > > is > >> just the tip of the iceberg. I have to do a lot of educating and > > it > >> makes me angry that this kind of crap is going on out there. > >> ] > >> I want to get one thing off my chest: anyone can buy a QX, but > > the QX > >> is just one tool that a practitioner uses. They have a deeper > >> understanding of medicine and the human body mind spirit -- they > > are > >> not just button pushers. Perhaps a lot of people who are selling > >> their machines are finding out that just pushing buttons isn't > > doing > >> much. > >> > >> I really don't like to see the QX denigrated in this way. > >> > >> is Rotella, M.Ac. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ............................................ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2004 Report Share Posted November 16, 2004 --I am a lic. Acupuncturist, and I am not giving out the reports, I did in the beginning, but noted people get stuck on small, nonsense issues and it interfere more then give support, and not only for legal stand-point, I don't give my client the print-out, since I would be the person to read it and they don't. pen and paper is excellent, but for most part my clients are almost sleeping in the session of treatment with the QX and acupuncture. thanks, - In qxci-english , " mvpetrovich " <qx@m...> wrote: > > > Here is what we are doing. > > We made it a policy not to give out reports. We used to copy just our > notes pages, but found this could get us in trouble. Just because we > understand that this is not intended to be medical diagnosis, that > does not mean the client will understand that. > > We tell clients that we do not want them to become " attached " to > specific conditions, but use this as a general guide to improve > health. We also point out that every time we run a session, much of > what they see will change. Hopefully, that is an outcome of the work > we do, besides the natural variation of the testing. > > We also tell our clients because of legal reasons, we cannot provide > those kinds of reports. > > What we do, though, is give them a pen, pad, and paper to let them > take any notes they would like. > > Hope that gives you some ideas. > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > I have been asked by clients to give them a printout, but do not > > have my QXCI hooked up to a printer. They then ask to copy it on a > > CD for them. I have not given any out as of yet, but some clients > > are persistant. What do I say in a case like this? I've been > > saying that this is for my own records, but they tell me that > > medical records are theirs for the asking. HELP! Any helpful > > suggestions. Thanks, Sandy > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2004 Report Share Posted November 17, 2004 There are..however some people do not or will not read or have difficulty with written learning. There is a stack of manuals on www.qxcisynergy.co.uk However different learning inputs are imprortant so that the same info is presented in different ways for reinforcement and for the different ways of learning Kelsey PhDQXCI User Manual Author, Advanced TrainerVisit www.qxcisynergy.co.uk for tech infos Re: non licensed QX users Why is there not a comprehensive manual that explains all this in detail? I agree, many are using the QXCI improperly, tho more out of ignorance than greed...Azizah Clayton <azizah.clayton@...> wrote: I feel very strongly about this too . It is a serious problem. For years QX device was sold in the UK without proper training and users did not know how to interpret the matrix data. Many got excited about the numbers in the red and jumped to false conclusions. Even now many are still unable to make head or tail about the data - I know this because I am now a QX trainer and I meet many many users in many countries.How do we overcome this problem? We are all responsible for its proper use.1. BROKERS - I am one in the UK - MUST inform any prospective buyer that the QX/SCIO is a tool. It does not cure anything, it simply allows users to make an assessment of imbalances and stressers in the body at different levels. It is a homeopathic device and therefore it can only STIMULATE the body to deal with the imbalances etc.2. TRAINERS - of which I am one - are responsible for providing proper training to users. I think Trainers must have exceptional knowledge of the way the body functions at the five different levels to be able to teach users how to make connections with all the data on the Test matrix. Training is NOT merely button pushing - we all can do that.3. THERAPISTS - I am one - must educate the client and therefore must have knowledge about the body at different levels and the etiology of diseases. Therapists are "doctors=teachers" to the clients and must guide, encourage and show them to walk the healing path. Consequently therpists must keep up with training all the time; they have to make time to acquire more knowledge, what in the UK is called Continuous Professional development (CPD). It's not easy or cheap but it's vital.4. The CLIENT must be told that no device can heal a disease. A device is one of many things that can help the client to harness the healing powers of the body to heal itself. The client has the ultimate responsibilty to heal his/herself.I have been making a great effort to put things right in the UK in the last two years, to teach QX/SCIO users to use the device intelligently and responsibly and we now have a growing group of very competent, confident and ethical users.The QX/SCIO is a God send, we owe it our love and respect. Blessings, Azizah Claytonquantumliving wrote: I feel the same. I have heard people pushing a sale saying that leukemia can be cured in 13 sessions, Parkinson's in 28, and depression becoming non-existent. It makes my skin crawl. I would like to see more RESPONSIBLE people owning a QX, with the big emphasis on RESPONSIBLE. However, I don't have a solution as to how to qualify people. I have been thinking that it might be good to convert all these names "cancer", "diabetes", etc to numbers. People can learn to do protocols with numbers, and would not get the shock of discovering they "have cancer". Only thoroughly trained practitioners would get the names linked to numbers. I had a client who was bit by a Brown Recluse Spider three times. The QX said she was bit by an African Pit Viper! Probably the same type of poison, but the "name" was not accurate. It did not bother me, but that is what quackbusters revel in. le On Sat, 06 Nov 2004 19:17:41 -0000, jadespring2003 wrote > > > Boy have I been getting some strange feedback from patients who've > gotten QX txs. from non licensed QX users. Some of them are sending > to the patients the initial print out list. This is not good form. > They think they have cancer, MS and all sorts of diseases.. This is > just the tip of the iceberg. I have to do a lot of educating and it > makes me angry that this kind of crap is going on out there. > ] > I want to get one thing off my chest: anyone can buy a QX, but the QX > is just one tool that a practitioner uses. They have a deeper > understanding of medicine and the human body mind spirit -- they are > not just button pushers. Perhaps a lot of people who are selling > their machines are finding out that just pushing buttons isn't doing > much. > > I really don't like to see the QX denigrated in this way. > > is Rotella, M.Ac. > > > > ............................................ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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