Guest guest Posted August 18, 2007 Report Share Posted August 18, 2007 Hi , I was scaning over the messages and saw someeone who was seeking to " balance " . Thanks for reminding all of us to what it is that we actually do . We all need a reminder every once and a while. I haven't worked with depression too much but can get you started and then perhaps someone with more experience can take you further. My thoughts would be to: Balance Brain Waves in EEG and NLP. Neuro Peptide Balance, Stim, and Stabilization. Work in Emotions/Neurotransmitters in NLP and see what else comes up Balance hormones female and others under Spinal and Timed therapys. Check for parasite involvement? Lyme? Fungus? You were in my classes and know the connections when Fungus dies off in the brain. Search the brain for weak areas and them test them against the pathogen sub-files in the matrix. What is the causative agent here? Use the Info Box to load and balance using Bach Flowers, EFA, Floral essence, crystals. Use 3 minute until " No More Treatment " shows at least two times. Use Scalar Biofeedback for Psychic attack and see if that is a connection. What is her resonant freq? If high maybe attack or parasites. Piggyback D. Dictionary - Stress + Bipolar Pay attention to any hints you find that might tell you if it's physical ( pathogens), emotional, or spiritual. How quickly are thing rectifying? This should be enough to get you started. I could go on........ but I leave that to others. Best of Luck, Passion is Contageous ~ Spread some around today. Lori Marcus Quantum Instructor > > Hi, I am new to the form and have started my EPFX/SCIO practice 3months > ago. > > I need advice on balancing sever depression in suicidel clients! > > Does any one have prodicals or have experience with clients like this? > > Need help! > > If it helps this client was on the Drug Cipralex which is escitalopram > oxalate. Her doc weened her off (then went on vacation for the next > 2months). At this time she is unable to control her moods, go to work > and is suicidel. > > Thank you in advance! > > > davidsen@... > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2007 Report Share Posted August 18, 2007 Does anyone have infomation/advice on balancing brain waves in the eeg/ecg panel relating to depression? thanks CD > > Hi, I am new to the form and have started my EPFX/SCIO practice 3months > ago. > > I need advice on balancing sever depression in suicidel clients! > > Does any one have prodicals or have experience with clients like this? > > Need help! > > If it helps this client was on the Drug Cipralex which is escitalopram > oxalate. Her doc weened her off (then went on vacation for the next > 2months). At this time she is unable to control her moods, go to work > and is suicidel. > > Thank you in advance! > > > davidsen@... > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2007 Report Share Posted August 18, 2007 Hi , Use Bourne Protocols! They are created by an expert who has worked with Bill to help us who are not medically trained to know exactly what to do. And there are 160 different protocols there, which you can choose from, among them depression. You get codes that you copy and paste into the QXCI-SCIO in different programs and they are very effective. The cost is US$ 350 and you can buy them from me if you don't have a representative close to you. I don't know where you are, but I can send them anywhere. If you have a representative where you live, use him or her and Good luck to you! If you want to buy from me, just tell me, and I will give you the details for payment. Kind regards from Sven Love ( my last name is Lof with two dots above the o, but the f is pronounced as v and the o with the dots as the o in your word "word" or "her", so Love is the closest and "best" I could come up with. So I have a difficult time explaining my name to most people abroad) DEPRESSION need help! Hi, I am new to the form and have started my EPFX/SCIO practice 3months ago. I need advice on balancing sever depression in suicidel clients!Does any one have prodicals or have experience with clients like this?Need help!If it helps this client was on the Drug Cipralex which is escitalopram oxalate. Her doc weened her off (then went on vacation for the next 2months). At this time she is unable to control her moods, go to work and is suicidel.Thank you in advance! davidsen (DOT) ca Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2007 Report Share Posted August 19, 2007 I'm not sure that anyone will be able to help you given so little information on such a serious subject. You don't mention your level of training etc. It may be in the best interest of your client to seek further medical attention until she can become stabilized and you can become more confident in your skills with this marvelous piece of equipment. There are many ways that you can help her while she is being treated with conventional therapy which will serve to get her through the immediate crisis........Please don't jeopardize all the good you will be able to do by taking on too difficult a problem before you are properly trained.. Blessings Diane from Kansas DEPRESSION need help! Hi, I am new to the form and have started my EPFX/SCIO practice 3months ago. I need advice on balancing sever depression in suicidel clients! Does any one have prodicals or have experience with clients like this? Need help! If it helps this client was on the Drug Cipralex which is escitalopram oxalate. Her doc weened her off (then went on vacation for the next 2months). At this time she is unable to control her moods, go to work and is suicidel. Thank you in advance! davidsen (DOT) ca AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2007 Report Share Posted August 20, 2007 One of the hardest and most professional things a technician can do is to know when to ask for help from someone who is trained in a different field. In this case referring your client to a psychologist who can get them help fast and medicated to help stabilize them. Granted we don't like drugs, but in this field we also understand that psychotropic drugs must be removed VERY gradually. My suspicion is that the reduction the doctor did was over a month not over many months and the patient couldn't take it. It is really unfortunate that they went on a 2 month vacation after that. But, you are dealing with a chemical imbalance for this person as well as a probable hormonal imbalance. And you may even need to factor in toxins such as mercury, fluoride, copper, nickle, who knows all of which may make this worse. Help her get stabilized and THEN begin to help her to re-balance and de-stress her body and her life. At that point give us the information we need. Her varhope scores, her SOC infor and we'll try and help where we can. And I really do agree with Diane, if you do not have the training please go, or contact me for training materials you can watch at home or read. That is what we as trainers are here for. Yours in Health, Kathy 517-543-1354 kathyqx@...lytles2@... wrote: I'm not sure that anyone will be able to help you given so little information on such a serious subject. You don't mention your level of training etc. It may be in the best interest of your client to seek further medical attention until she can become stabilized and you can become more confident in your skills with this marvelous piece of equipment. There are many ways that you can help her while she is being treated with conventional therapy which will serve to get her through the immediate crisis........Please don't jeopardize all the good you will be able to do by taking on too difficult a problem before you are properly trained..Blessings Diane from Kansas DEPRESSION need help! Hi, I am new to the form and have started my EPFX/SCIO practice 3months ago. I need advice on balancing sever depression in suicidel clients!Does any one have prodicals or have experience with clients like this?Need help!If it helps this client was on the Drug Cipralex which is escitalopram oxalate. Her doc weened her off (then went on vacation for the next 2months). At this time she is unable to control her moods, go to work and is suicidel.Thank you in advance! davidsen (DOT) ca AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2007 Report Share Posted August 20, 2007 , Diane has give some great advice, In this case - please make sure that the EPFX balancing is being done in conjuncture with professional help!. Lori Marcus > > > I'm not sure that anyone will be able to help you given so little information on such a serious subject. You don't mention your level of training etc. It may be in the best interest of your client to seek further medical attention until she can become stabilized and you can become more confident in your skills with this marvelous piece of equipment. There are many ways that you can help her while she is being treated with conventional therapy which will serve to get her through the immediate crisis........Please don't jeopardize all the good you will be able to do by taking on too difficult a problem before you are properly trained.. > Blessings > > > Diane from Kansas > > > > > DEPRESSION need help! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, I am new to the form and have started my EPFX/SCIO practice 3months > > ago. > > > > I need advice on balancing sever depression in suicidel clients! > > > > Does any one have prodicals or have experience with clients like this? > > > > Need help! > > > > If it helps this client was on the Drug Cipralex which is escitalopram > > oxalate. Her doc weened her off (then went on vacation for the next > > 2months). At this time she is unable to control her moods, go to work > > and is suicidel. > > > > Thank you in advance! > > > > > > davidsen@... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ __ > AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2007 Report Share Posted August 22, 2007  Also, look out for THE EDGE EFFECT, by ERIC BRAVERMAN. This provides a brilliant questionnaire to assist with determining the brain chemical deficiency with wonderful advice on how to balance and support. I find it is wonderful to help to empower people understand brain chemistry. Emma Mentel add to your health Shop 43, Kensington Square 47-51 Kensington Drive Durban North 4051 Tel: 031 564 3197 DEPRESSION need help! Hi, I am new to the form and have started my EPFX/SCIO practice 3months ago. I need advice on balancing sever depression in suicidel clients!Does any one have prodicals or have experience with clients like this?Need help!If it helps this client was on the Drug Cipralex which is escitalopram oxalate. Her doc weened her off (then went on vacation for the next 2months). At this time she is unable to control her moods, go to work and is suicidel.Thank you in advance! davidsen (DOT) ca AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2007 Report Share Posted August 22, 2007 .. Please be careful--this person really needs medical supervision. She may be so toxic that the QX sessions could stir things up inside her that might not be pretty. I'd stick to the Biofeedback and very neutral and gentle programs to see how he/she reacts. If she's suicidal and depressed, you know her liver is in terrible shape. I would be really cautious with suicidal people unless you're a licensed health care practitioner with expertise in this area. is Rotella, M.Ac., CNC > > Hi, I am new to the form and have started my EPFX/SCIO practice 3months > ago. > > I need advice on balancing sever depression in suicidel clients! > > Does any one have prodicals or have experience with clients like this? > > Need help! > > If it helps this client was on the Drug Cipralex which is escitalopram > oxalate. Her doc weened her off (then went on vacation for the next > 2months). At this time she is unable to control her moods, go to work > and is suicidel. > > Thank you in advance! > > > davidsen@... > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2007 Report Share Posted August 23, 2007 Every mention or discussion of "killing myself" should be treated with utmost seriousness. In the health care professional we are taught to always take suicide seriously. In California by law we are required to report & take necessary action if a patient presents with suicidal tendencies with these 4 things: 1) Ideation (thoughts of death or suicide) 2) Suicidal intent 3) Plan (specific time, place and method) 4) Means (e.g., a firearm in the house or a supply of drugs) The fact that she is going off of an antidepressant with side affects that include suicidal tendencies for me indicates that she needs immediate intervention and you need to call the doctor on call covering for her doctor and report your concern. And, if necessary contact the local police emergency crisis team for immediate intervention so that she can get into a medical facility and get the necessary medical attention to get her through this protentially critical time in her life. http://emc.medicines.org.uk/emc/assets/c/html/displaydoc.asp?documentid=9360 Discontinuation When stopping treatment with Cipralex the dose should be gradually reduced over a period of one or two weeks in order to avoid possible withdrawal reactions (see section 4.4 Special warnings and precautions for use). 4.4 Special warnings and precautions for use The following special warnings and precautions apply to the therapeutic class of SSRIs (Selective Serotonin Re-uptake Inhibitors). Use in children and adolescents under 18 years of age Cipralex should not be used in the treatment of children and adolescents under the age of 18 years. Suicide-related behaviours (suicide attempt and suicidal thoughts) and hostility (predominantly aggression, oppositional behaviour and anger) were more frequently observed in clinical trials among children and adolescents treated with antidepressants compared to those treated with placebo. If, based on clinical need, a decision to treat is nevertheless taken, the patient should be carefully monitored for the appearance of suicidal symptoms. In addition, long-term safety data in children and adolescents concerning growth, maturation and cognitive and behavioural development are lacking. Paradoxical anxiety Some patients with panic disorder may experience increased anxiety symptoms at the beginning of treatment with antidepressants. This paradoxical reaction usually subsides within two weeks during continued treatment. A low starting dose is advised to reduce the likelihood of an anxiogenic effect (see section 4.2 Posology and method of administration). Seizures The medicinal product should be discontinued in any patient who develops seizures. SSRIs should be avoided in patients with unstable epilepsy and patients with controlled epilepsy should be carefully monitored. SSRIs should be discontinued if there is an increase in seizure frequency. Mania SSRIs should be used with caution in patients with a history of mania/hypomania. SSRIs should be discontinued in any patient entering a manic phase. Diabetes In patients with diabetes, treatment with an SSRI may alter glycaemic control (hypoglycaemia or hyperglycaemia). Insulin and/or oral hypoglycaemic dosage may need to be adjusted. Suicide/suicidal ideation Depression is associated with an increased risk of suicidal thoughts, self harm and suicide. This risk persists until significant remission occurs. As improvement may not occur during the first few weeks or more of treatment, patients should be closely monitored until such improvement occurs. It is general clinical experience with all antidepressant therapies that the risk of suicide may increase in the early stages of recovery. Other psychiatric conditions for which escitalopram is prescribed can also be associated with an increased risk of suicidal behaviour. In addition, these conditions may be co-morbid with major depressive disorder. The same precautions observed when treating patients with major depressive disorder should therefore be observed when treating patients with other psychiatric disorders. Patients with a history of suicidal behaviour or thoughts, or those exhibiting a significant degree of suicidal ideation prior to commencement of treatment, are at greater risk of suicidal thoughts or suicide attempts, and should receive careful monitoring during treatment. There are insufficient data concerning the risk of suicide related behaviour in treatment naïve patients, but careful monitoring might be warranted. Patients (and caregivers of patients) should be alerted about the need to monitor for the emergence of suicidal ideation/behaviour or thoughts of harming themselves and to seek medical advice immediately if these symptoms present. Hyponatraemia Hyponatraemia, probably due to inappropriate antidiuretic hormone secretion (SIADH), has been reported rarely with the use of SSRIs and generally resolves on discontinuation of therapy. Caution should be exercised in patients at risk, such as elderly, cirrhotic patients or patients concomitantly treated with medications known to cause hyponatraemia. Haemorrhage There have been reports of cutaneous bleeding abnormalities, such as ecchymoses and purpura, with SSRIs. Caution is advised in patients taking SSRIs, particularly in concomitant use with oral anticoagulants, with medicinal products known to affect platelet function (e.g. atypical antipsychotics and phenothiazines, most tricyclic antidepressants, acetylsalicylic acid and non-steroidal anti-inflammatory medicinal products (NSAIDs), ticlopidine and dipyridamole) and in patients with known bleeding tendencies. ECT (electroconvulsive therapy) There is limited clinical experience of concurrent administration of SSRIs and ECT, therefore caution is advisable. Reversible, selective MAO-A inhibitors The combination of escitalopram with MAO-A inhibitors is generally not recommended due to the risk of onset of a serotonin syndrome (see section 4.5 Interactions with other medicinal products and other forms of interaction). Concomitant treatment with non-selective, irreversible MAO-inhibitors see section 4.5 Interactions with other medicinal products and other forms of interaction. Serotonin syndrome Caution is advisable if escitalopram is used concomitantly with medicinal products with serotonergic effects such as sumatriptan or other triptans, tramadol and tryptophan. In rare cases, serotonin syndrome has been reported in patients using SSRIs concomitantly with serotonergic medicinal products. A combination of symptoms, such as agitation, tremor, myoclonus and hyperthermia may indicate the development of this condition. If this occurs treatment with the SSRI and the serotonergic medicinal product should be discontinued immediately and symptomatic treatment initiated. St. 's Wort Concomitant use of SSRIs and herbal remedies containing St. 's Wort (Hypericum perforatum) may result in an increased incidence of adverse reactions (see section 4.5 Interactions with other medicinal products and other forms of interaction). Withdrawal reactions When stopping therapy with Cipralex, the dose should be gradually reduced over a period of one or two weeks in order to avoid possible withdrawal reactions (see section 4.2 Posology and method of administration). Coronary heart disease Due to limited clinical experience, caution is advised in patients with coronary heart disease (see section 5.3 Preclinical safety data). You can always continue your treatments remotely and once she gets stable enough that she isn't at a risk of killing herself before she gets a chance to get better from her depression. SIncerely, Steve Lori Marcus <lm@...> wrote: ,Diane has give some great advice,In this case - please make sure that the EPFX balancing is being done in conjuncture with professional help!.Lori Marcus>> > I'm not sure that anyone will be able to help you given so little information on such a serious subject. You don't mention your level of training etc. It may be in the best interest of your client to seek further medical attention until she can become stabilized and you can become more confident in your skills with this marvelous piece of equipment. There are many ways that you can help her while she is being treated with conventional therapy which will serve to get her through the immediate crisis........Please don't jeopardize all the good you will be able to do by taking on too difficult a problem before you are properly trained..> Blessings> > > Diane from Kansas> > > > > DEPRESSION need help!> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, I am new to the form and have started my EPFX/SCIO practice 3months > > ago. > > > > I need advice on balancing sever depression in suicidel clients!> > > > Does any one have prodicals or have experience with clients like this?> > > > Need help!> > > > If it helps this client was on the Drug Cipralex which is escitalopram > > oxalate. Her doc weened her off (then went on vacation for the next > > 2months). At this time she is unable to control her moods, go to work > > and is suicidel.> > > > Thank you in advance!> > > > > > davidsen@...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________> AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.>............................................ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2007 Report Share Posted September 10, 2007 Thanks Lori Lori Marcus <lm@...> wrote: Hi ,I was scaning over the messages and saw someeone who was seeking to "balance". Thanks for reminding all of us to what it is that we actually do . We all need a reminder every once and a while.I haven't worked with depression too much but can get you started and then perhaps someone with more experience can take you further.My thoughts would be to:Balance Brain Waves in EEG and NLP. Neuro Peptide Balance, Stim, and Stabilization. Work in Emotions/Neurotransmitters in NLP and see what else comes upBalance hormones female and others under Spinal and Timed therapys.Check for parasite involvement? Lyme? Fungus? You were in my classes and know the connections when Fungus dies off in the brain.Search the brain for weak areas and them test them against the pathogen sub-files in the matrix. What is the causative agent here?Use the Info Box to load and balance using Bach Flowers, EFA, Floral essence, crystals. Use 3 minute until "No More Treatment" shows at least two times. Use ScalarBiofeedback for Psychic attack and see if that is a connection. What is her resonant freq? If high maybe attack or parasites.Piggyback D. Dictionary - Stress + BipolarPay attention to any hints you find that might tell you if it's physical ( pathogens), emotional, or spiritual. How quickly are thing rectifying?This should be enough to get you started. I could go on........ but I leave that to others.Best of Luck,Passion is Contageous ~ Spread some around today.Lori MarcusQuantum Instructor>> Hi, I am new to the form and have started my EPFX/SCIO practice 3months > ago. > > I need advice on balancing sever depression in suicidel clients!> > Does any one have prodicals or have experience with clients like this?> > Need help!> > If it helps this client was on the Drug Cipralex which is escitalopram > oxalate. Her doc weened her off (then went on vacation for the next > 2months). At this time she is unable to control her moods, go to work > and is suicidel.> > Thank you in advance!> > > davidsen@...> * and Christel sen * Providing EPFX/SCIO Biofeedback therapies to the World Inquires, sales, support and therapies For details: 250-767-2083 1-866-427-4660 Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2007 Report Share Posted September 10, 2007 I am looking forward to geting the Bourne protocals Thank you Sven Löf <logos@...> wrote: Hi , Use Bourne Protocols! They are created by an expert who has worked with Bill to help us who are not medically trained to know exactly what to do. And there are 160 different protocols there, which you can choose from, among them depression. You get codes that you copy and paste into the QXCI-SCIO in different programs and they are very effective. The cost is US$ 350 and you can buy them from me if you don't have a representative close to you. I don't know where you are, but I can send them anywhere. If you have a representative where you live, use him or her and Good luck to you! If you want to buy from me, just tell me, and I will give you the details for payment. Kind regards from Sven Love ( my last name is Lof with two dots above the o, but the f is pronounced as v and the o with the dots as the o in your word "word" or "her", so Love is the closest and "best" I could come up with. So I have a difficult time explaining my name to most people abroad) DEPRESSION need help! Hi, I am new to the form and have started my EPFX/SCIO practice 3months ago. I need advice on balancing sever depression in suicidel clients!Does any one have prodicals or have experience with clients like this?Need help!If it helps this client was on the Drug Cipralex which is escitalopram oxalate. Her doc weened her off (then went on vacation for the next 2months). At this time she is unable to control her moods, go to work and is suicidel.Thank you in advance! davidsen (DOT) ca * and Christel sen * Providing EPFX/SCIO Biofeedback therapies to the World Inquires, sales, support and therapies For details: 250-767-2083 1-866-427-4660 Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2007 Report Share Posted September 10, 2007 I am looking forward to geting the Bourne protocals Thank you Sven Löf <logos@...> wrote: Hi , Use Bourne Protocols! They are created by an expert who has worked with Bill to help us who are not medically trained to know exactly what to do. And there are 160 different protocols there, which you can choose from, among them depression. You get codes that you copy and paste into the QXCI-SCIO in different programs and they are very effective. The cost is US$ 350 and you can buy them from me if you don't have a representative close to you. I don't know where you are, but I can send them anywhere. If you have a representative where you live, use him or her and Good luck to you! If you want to buy from me, just tell me, and I will give you the details for payment. Kind regards from Sven Love ( my last name is Lof with two dots above the o, but the f is pronounced as v and the o with the dots as the o in your word "word" or "her", so Love is the closest and "best" I could come up with. So I have a difficult time explaining my name to most people abroad) DEPRESSION need help! Hi, I am new to the form and have started my EPFX/SCIO practice 3months ago. I need advice on balancing sever depression in suicidel clients!Does any one have prodicals or have experience with clients like this?Need help!If it helps this client was on the Drug Cipralex which is escitalopram oxalate. Her doc weened her off (then went on vacation for the next 2months). At this time she is unable to control her moods, go to work and is suicidel.Thank you in advance! davidsen (DOT) ca * and Christel sen * Providing EPFX/SCIO Biofeedback therapies to the World Inquires, sales, support and therapies For details: 250-767-2083 1-866-427-4660 All new - Get a sneak peak at messages with a handy reading pane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2007 Report Share Posted October 5, 2007 I have a question from a mother a child who was born with spinal bifida. She has been reading up on the work we do and is interested in learning more. Her question: I’m wondering if you can find out if anyone has treated issues with nerve damage or rebuilding neural pathways. Can anyone share some case studies, etc. on that with the list or with me directly? Gail Gillingham Wylie Autism Consulting ServiceEdmonton, Alberta, CanadaPhone 780 450 2810Fax 780 463 6433e-mail exgr@...Website: www.autismconsultingservice.com Re: DEPRESSION need help! ..Please be careful--this person really needs medical supervision. Shemay be so toxic that the QX sessions could stir things up inside herthat might not be pretty. I'd stick to the Biofeedback and veryneutral and gentle programs to see how he/she reacts. If she'ssuicidal and depressed, you know her liver is in terrible shape. Iwould be really cautious with suicidal people unless you're a licensedhealth care practitioner with expertise in this area. is Rotella,M.Ac., CNC>> Hi, I am new to the form and have started my EPFX/SCIO practice 3months > ago. > > I need advice on balancing sever depression in suicidel clients!> > Does any one have prodicals or have experience with clients like this?> > Need help!> > If it helps this client was on the Drug Cipralex which is escitalopram > oxalate. Her doc weened her off (then went on vacation for the next > 2months). At this time she is unable to control her moods, go to work > and is suicidel.> > Thank you in advance!> > > davidsen@...> No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.2/967 - Release Date: 8/22/2007 6:51 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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