Guest guest Posted October 31, 2009 Report Share Posted October 31, 2009 > Thanks for the info Marc. How does CELLFOOD taste when dissolved in > water? Is it sour tasting? Nano-2+ seems to be a copycat product. I will > order CELLFOOD and try it. Yes, it's kind of like adding lemon to your water -- the pH of CELLFOOD is very low... It's the deuterium sulfate that makes these sorts of product " unique " . Most of the products I listed have deuterium sulfate in them, although often it is not mentioned on the label (!?). As for whether CELLFOOD helps or worsens ES, I find it depends on the dosage and the circumstances. But sometimes it does help. Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2009 Report Share Posted October 31, 2009 > Will see what I can find about Everett Storey, I already found some > information about deuterium sulfate and it looks very scamlike. I really like these deuterium sulfate products, although I will warn you that a lot of the backstory about them is fabricated. Basically, Deuterium Sulfate started use in the early 1950's as a " Reynolds Soil Conditioner " , invented by Lee Reynolds. It was publicized in the late 1950's by Everett Story (a magazine publisher) and eventually he began a company selling it as both a soil conditioner ( " Open All " ) and a nutritional supplement ( " Cellfood " ). Although claimed to cure many illnesses, Everett Storey himself died of throat cancer in his early 70's. The company he started ( " Deutrel Labs " ) got taken over by some other folks and is know known as " Deutrel Industries " . They still manufacture CELLFOOD today, and began marketing it as nutritional supplement in the late 1990s, and Lumina Health took over US distribution in the early 2000s. The original Reynolds product is still sold as a soil conditioner and also as a competing nutritional supplement ( " Cell Power " ). CELLFOOD really has had a good impact on various aspects of my health (fighting viruses, increasing energy/stamina, reducing chemical sensitivities, reducing allergies), in spite of the questionable information you may find about it online. Here is a website created by someone who used to take care of Everett Storey in his final years, and also used to help in the manufacture of CELLFOOD in the 1980's: http://evstorey.com/ And here is the manufacturer's website ( " Nu Science = Deutrel Industries " ): http://nuscience.com/ http://deutrel.com/ Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2009 Report Share Posted October 31, 2009 > One thing I would really like to know more about how CELLFOOD can > fight viruses. What are your experiences? It may be as simple as the pH change that occurs in your body from taking Cellfood. I assume that viruses can only survive in a certain pH range? Otherwise, the oxidizing capacity of Cellfood might be a factor.... I don't know really, just that it does work for me at times. I also do well taking citrus seed extract (Agrisept-L is what I take, as I got sensitized to GSE), which might also be a pH thing. I do NOT do well with colloidal silver -- it makes my ES worse. Also for preventing illnesses, I've experimented some with Hulda zappers (which might work, especially at a 2.5khz frequency), " Living Streams Probiotic " , and also LDM-100: http://www.collagendiet.com/grapefruit_seed_extract.htm http://www.livingstreamsmission.com/ http://choosecra.com/store/immune/ldm-100.html Although for me, I think Agrisept-L works the best overall for this sort of thing. Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2009 Report Share Posted November 1, 2009 The name " deuterium sulfate " is a good example of why a lot of people dismiss these things as cleverly marketed snake oil. Deuterium is a scientific term which was hot news in the 1940's and 1950's and therefore seems to have been " borrowed " to make the marketing claims for Cellfood look and sound more impressive. It is actually a form of hydrogen, very expensive and specially made for atomic bombs and nuclear reactors. " Deuterium sulphate " would actually be identical in properties to hydrogen sulphate, which is common or garden sulphuric acid! Now this does NOT mean that CELLFOOD does not work - only that some of the marketing blurb used to advertise it in the past was at best misleading (and at worst, off its trolley!). Sometimes an over-enthusiastic marketing guy will start producing statements that would give kittens to the guys who actually develop or make the product :-) Often a little knowledge can be a very dangerous thing .... I did not spot any reference to deuterium sulphate in a quick scan of the Nuscience website, so it looks as if they are, very wisely, distancing themselves from this terminology and concentrating on more realistic descriptions of how it actually might work in reality :-) That being said, one blogger did try it with a piece of litmus paper and got a very low pH reading, which would correspond to concentrated sulphuric acid! (http://episteme.ca/2007/02/27/i-paid-50-to-drink-concentrated-sulfuric-acid /) I'm a bit dubious of this claim, as it means Cellfood would give you burns if you failed to dilute it properly. But maybe sulphuric acid is a major component. And maybe this might indeed help if one of your underlying problems is inorganic sulphate deficiency (liver metabolic pathways again!) which, like magnesium sulphate, this should help with. (It might be worth trying Epsom salts or dilute sulphuric acid instead, as they should be a lot cheaper than Cellfood :-) I suspect that in practice, Cellfood has a number of other genuinely useful nutrients added. Ian _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Marc Sent: 31 October 2009 22:53 Subject: Re: Re: CELLFOOD from NuScience > Will see what I can find about Everett Storey, I already found some > information about deuterium sulfate and it looks very scamlike. I really like these deuterium sulfate products, although I will warn you that a lot of the backstory about them is fabricated. Basically, Deuterium Sulfate started use in the early 1950's as a " Reynolds Soil Conditioner " , invented by Lee Reynolds. It was publicized in the late 1950's by Everett Story (a magazine publisher) and eventually he began a company selling it as both a soil conditioner ( " Open All " ) and a nutritional supplement ( " Cellfood " ). Although claimed to cure many illnesses, Everett Storey himself died of throat cancer in his early 70's. The company he started ( " Deutrel Labs " ) got taken over by some other folks and is know known as " Deutrel Industries " . They still manufacture CELLFOOD today, and began marketing it as nutritional supplement in the late 1990s, and Lumina Health took over US distribution in the early 2000s. The original Reynolds product is still sold as a soil conditioner and also as a competing nutritional supplement ( " Cell Power " ). CELLFOOD really has had a good impact on various aspects of my health (fighting viruses, increasing energy/stamina, reducing chemical sensitivities, reducing allergies), in spite of the questionable information you may find about it online. Here is a website created by someone who used to take care of Everett Storey in his final years, and also used to help in the manufacture of CELLFOOD in the 1980's: http://evstorey. <http://evstorey.com/> com/ And here is the manufacturer's website ( " Nu Science = Deutrel Industries " ): http://nuscience. <http://nuscience.com/> com/ http://deutrel. <http://deutrel.com/> com/ Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2009 Report Share Posted November 1, 2009 > The name " deuterium sulfate " is a good example of why a lot of > people dismiss these things as cleverly marketed snake oil. > Deuterium is a scientific term which was hot news in the 1940's and > 1950's and therefore seems to have been " borrowed " to make the > marketing claims for Cellfood look and sound more impressive. It is > actually a form of hydrogen, very expensive and specially made for > atomic bombs and nuclear reactors. " Deuterium sulphate " would > actually be identical in properties to hydrogen sulphate, which is > common or garden sulphuric acid! I've taken Cellfood for the past 10 years, and since it seems to be such an odd supplement, have researched it a lot. I do think it is supposed to contain deuterium sulfate (D2SO4), not sulfuric acid (H2SO4), as I recall the old 1970's literature on it talking about " heavy water " , and being the same stuff used in hydrogen bombs (and Everett Storey apparently did have something to do with the hydrogen bomb, that much appears to be true). They were quite emphatic that this was NOT the same thing as sulfuric acid. But you're right -- these days they don't even mention the word " deuterium " or " sulfate " on the bottle or in their marketing, as I imagine they don't want to scare people off. You can put it directly on your skin, undiluted, without problems. One of the competitor products says their product contains " 6.3% Deutrosulfuric acid " . And years ago, the Nu Science website referred to CELLFOOD as " Deutrosulfazyme " . I have wondered about the " sulfate " part of it, and whether magnesium sulfate would provide similar benefits, but I get no reaction from epsom salt baths, while I have quite a good reaction to Cellfood. So I don't think it's the sulfate... Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2009 Report Share Posted November 1, 2009 Hello Ian, Many thanks for the input. Do you have any references with regards to inorganic sulphate deficiency relating to liver problems? Thanks, Ole ________________________________ From: Ian Kemp <ianandsue.kemp@...> Sent: Mon, 2 November, 2009 0:28:29 Subject: RE: Re: CELLFOOD from NuScience The name " deuterium sulfate " is a good example of why a lot of people dismiss these things as cleverly marketed snake oil. Deuterium is a scientific term which was hot news in the 1940's and 1950's and therefore seems to have been " borrowed " to make the marketing claims for Cellfood look and sound more impressive. It is actually a form of hydrogen, very expensive and specially made for atomic bombs and nuclear reactors. " Deuterium sulphate " would actually be identical in properties to hydrogen sulphate, which is common or garden sulphuric acid! Now this does NOT mean that CELLFOOD does not work - only that some of the marketing blurb used to advertise it in the past was at best misleading (and at worst, off its trolley!). Sometimes an over-enthusiastic marketing guy will start producing statements that would give kittens to the guys who actually develop or make the product :-) Often a little knowledge can be a very dangerous thing .... I did not spot any reference to deuterium sulphate in a quick scan of the Nuscience website, so it looks as if they are, very wisely, distancing themselves from this terminology and concentrating on more realistic descriptions of how it actually might work in reality :-) That being said, one blogger did try it with a piece of litmus paper and got a very low pH reading, which would correspond to concentrated sulphuric acid! (http://episteme. ca/2007/02/ 27/i-paid- 50-to-drink- concentrated- sulfuric- acid /) I'm a bit dubious of this claim, as it means Cellfood would give you burns if you failed to dilute it properly. But maybe sulphuric acid is a major component. And maybe this might indeed help if one of your underlying problems is inorganic sulphate deficiency (liver metabolic pathways again!) which, like magnesium sulphate, this should help with. (It might be worth trying Epsom salts or dilute sulphuric acid instead, as they should be a lot cheaper than Cellfood :-) I suspect that in practice, Cellfood has a number of other genuinely useful nutrients added. Ian _____ From: groups (DOT) com [mailto:groups (DOT) com] On Behalf Of Marc Sent: 31 October 2009 22:53 groups (DOT) com Subject: Re: Re: CELLFOOD from NuScience > Will see what I can find about Everett Storey, I already found some > information about deuterium sulfate and it looks very scamlike. I really like these deuterium sulfate products, although I will warn you that a lot of the backstory about them is fabricated. Basically, Deuterium Sulfate started use in the early 1950's as a " Reynolds Soil Conditioner " , invented by Lee Reynolds. It was publicized in the late 1950's by Everett Story (a magazine publisher) and eventually he began a company selling it as both a soil conditioner ( " Open All " ) and a nutritional supplement ( " Cellfood " ) . Although claimed to cure many illnesses, Everett Storey himself died of throat cancer in his early 70's. The company he started ( " Deutrel Labs " ) got taken over by some other folks and is know known as " Deutrel Industries " . They still manufacture CELLFOOD today, and began marketing it as nutritional supplement in the late 1990s, and Lumina Health took over US distribution in the early 2000s. The original Reynolds product is still sold as a soil conditioner and also as a competing nutritional supplement ( " Cell Power " ). CELLFOOD really has had a good impact on various aspects of my health (fighting viruses, increasing energy/stamina, reducing chemical sensitivities, reducing allergies), in spite of the questionable information you may find about it online. Here is a website created by someone who used to take care of Everett Storey in his final years, and also used to help in the manufacture of CELLFOOD in the 1980's: http://evstorey. <http://evstorey. com/> com/ And here is the manufacturer' s website ( " Nu Science = Deutrel Industries " ) : http://nuscience. <http://nuscience. com/> com/ http://deutrel. <http://deutrel. com/> com/ Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2009 Report Share Posted November 2, 2009 Hi, Ole,  Yes, I have used oregano oil. You do not want to use full strength oregano oil internally (I don't even use it externally full strength). It is too irritating full strength. I like it. I does give me some real detox fog, so I know it is working. How do you wish to use it, Ole? Are you killing off particular gut bugs? I use it on my gums--I brush my teeth with some on a toothbrush, and dilute it even more for use in my nose. (I lay down for about 5 or 10 mins and just sniff a dropful of diluted oegano oil into each of my nostrils for my sinuses.) I dilute it with olive oil. I like using oregano oil capsules and breaking them open, so that the oregano oil is fresher and more potent.  Another thing I use often when killing candida is monolauren--it is a coconut based product which comes in little pellets that you chew and swallow. I take a tablespoon between meals. I like using coconut oil too, as well as grapefruit seed extract. And whey powder--I add it to my breakfast yogurt. I can get real detox from doing that, too. I rotate all these things so that the bugs I am killing don't get resistant. Also, pantethine and calcium AEP are both really good when used together. Cal AEP kills candida *biofilm* and when taken with pantethine, the combo helps the lymphatic system to work more efficiently so you eliminate the die-off quicker.  I also like molybdenum (1 drop in my water/day or every other), as it helps my liver detox better.  Hope this helps, Diane From: alstrup <alstrup@...> Subject: Re: CELLFOOD from NuScience Date: Saturday, October 31, 2009, 8:22 PM  PS. I was doing some research about Chinese Star Anise and Oil of Oregano. Had forgot all about Star Anise and the connection with Tamiflu. Anyone here with experience of these? http://fightinfluen zanaturally. blogspot. com/2009/ 10/star-anise. html http://fightinfluen zanaturally. blogspot. com/2009/ 10/oil-of- oregano.html Thanks, Ole > > > > > Will see what I can find about Everett Storey, I already found some > > > information about deuterium sulfate and it looks very scamlike. > > > > I really like these deuterium sulfate products, although I will warn you > > that a lot of the backstory about them is fabricated. Basically, > > Deuterium Sulfate started use in the early 1950's as a " Reynolds > > Soil Conditioner " , invented by Lee Reynolds. It was publicized in the > > late 1950's by Everett Story (a magazine publisher) and eventually he > > began a company selling it as both a soil conditioner ( " Open All " ) and a > > nutritional supplement ( " Cellfood " ) . Although claimed to cure many > > illnesses, Everett Storey himself died of throat cancer in his > > early 70's. The company he started ( " Deutrel Labs " ) got taken over by > > some other folks and is know known as " Deutrel Industries " . They > > still manufacture CELLFOOD today, and began marketing it as nutritional > > supplement in the late 1990s, and Lumina Health took over US > > distribution in the early 2000s. > > > > The original Reynolds product is still sold as a soil conditioner > > and also as a competing nutritional supplement ( " Cell Power " ). > > > > CELLFOOD really has had a good impact on various aspects of my health > > (fighting viruses, increasing energy/stamina, reducing chemical sensitivities, > > reducing allergies), in spite of the questionable information you > > may find about it online. > > > > Here is a website created by someone who used to take care of > > Everett Storey in his final years, and also used to help in the > > manufacture of CELLFOOD in the 1980's: > > > > http://evstorey. com/ > > > > And here is the manufacturer' s website ( " Nu Science = Deutrel Industries " ) : > > > > http://nuscience. com/ > > http://deutrel. com/ > > > > Marc > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2009 Report Share Posted November 2, 2009 It's an interesting question about the deuterium. Separating deuterium from normal hydrogen is an incredibly difficult and expensive process, so if NuScience were doing this, either the cost would be gold plated (even more so than it is - probably many thousands of dollars for a jar) or every nuclear power generator (or potential bomb maker) in the world would be beating a rapid path to Nuscience's door. However hydrogen always contains a very small proportion of deuterium, so one can claim that hydrogen sulphate does contain some deuterium sulphate :-) As for Everett Story's links to the Manhattan Project, one of the links you provided (which seemed to have been written by his family?) seemed to deny this. In fact he comes across as a bit of a Walter Mitty character (or maybe this is his competitors who jumped on the bandwagon and embellished his stories further :-) So I'd suspect that Cellfood is one of those products that does seem to work for a fair number of people, it's just that nobody is quite sure how it works - though maybe NuScience are now getting their hands on more realistic ideas of this, hence the downplaying of the deuterium label! Ian _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Marc Sent: 02 November 2009 00:24 Subject: RE: Re: CELLFOOD from NuScience > The name " deuterium sulfate " is a good example of why a lot of > people dismiss these things as cleverly marketed snake oil. > Deuterium is a scientific term which was hot news in the 1940's and > 1950's and therefore seems to have been " borrowed " to make the > marketing claims for Cellfood look and sound more impressive. It is > actually a form of hydrogen, very expensive and specially made for > atomic bombs and nuclear reactors. " Deuterium sulphate " would > actually be identical in properties to hydrogen sulphate, which is > common or garden sulphuric acid! I've taken Cellfood for the past 10 years, and since it seems to be such an odd supplement, have researched it a lot. I do think it is supposed to contain deuterium sulfate (D2SO4), not sulfuric acid (H2SO4), as I recall the old 1970's literature on it talking about " heavy water " , and being the same stuff used in hydrogen bombs (and Everett Storey apparently did have something to do with the hydrogen bomb, that much appears to be true). They were quite emphatic that this was NOT the same thing as sulfuric acid. But you're right -- these days they don't even mention the word " deuterium " or " sulfate " on the bottle or in their marketing, as I imagine they don't want to scare people off. You can put it directly on your skin, undiluted, without problems. One of the competitor products says their product contains " 6.3% Deutrosulfuric acid " . And years ago, the Nu Science website referred to CELLFOOD as " Deutrosulfazyme " . I have wondered about the " sulfate " part of it, and whether magnesium sulfate would provide similar benefits, but I get no reaction from epsom salt baths, while I have quite a good reaction to Cellfood. So I don't think it's the sulfate... Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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