Guest guest Posted December 22, 2006 Report Share Posted December 22, 2006 Recently we had a snow storm here. I have an atomic clock that stopped working during the storm. It just stopped at 4:00. Then after the storm was over it began working right again. This tells me that the storm was putting up enough interference that it was blocking the signal from somewhere in Colorado which is where I think it comes from. Also I notice when there are several inches of snow on the roof I feel better. All the shielding I've put up I have not been able to stop the clock from working yet. Somebody needs to invent a double pained window that can contain water to block the emf's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2006 Report Share Posted December 22, 2006 I think the crystalline structure of the flakes has something to do with it. I noticed that wire Christmas Trees can disrupt signals so that leads me to believe that the compact layer of shapes in the water crystalline structure can also disrupt the signal. I'm no scientist. Just my guess. I am glad there is something that can stop that signal. andrew On Dec 22, 2006, at 7:59 PM, quaixemen wrote: > Recently we had a snow storm here. I have an atomic clock that stopped > working during the storm. It just stopped at 4:00. Then after the > storm was over it began working right again. This tells me that the > storm was putting up enough interference that it was blocking the > signal > from somewhere in Colorado which is where I think it comes from. Also > I > notice when there are several inches of snow on the roof I feel better. > All the shielding I've put up I have not been able to stop the clock > from working yet. Somebody needs to invent a double pained window that > can contain water to block the emf's. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 24, 2006 Report Share Posted December 24, 2006 In einer eMail vom 23.12.2006 02:02:52 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt denom@...: Recently we had a snow storm here. I have an atomic clock that stopped working during the storm. It just stopped at 4:00. Then after the storm was over it began working right again. This tells me that the storm was putting up enough interference that it was blocking the signal from somewhere in Colorado which is where I think it comes from. Also I notice when there are several inches of snow on the roof I feel better. All the shielding I've put up I have not been able to stop the clock from working yet. Somebody needs to invent a double pained window that can contain water to block the emf's. This is really good news. What is needed i a layer of water about 1 inch thick, to block that radiation, that causes the health problems. Experimenting with elektroacupunkture I have found this. You can also see this on trees especially in autumn near base stations. The leafes on the side of the base station look different than those on the other side, even if they get nearly the same sunshsine. This shows best on cherry trees. Measuring the negative load via electroakupunkture you will also find the leafes on the side of the base station much more negative than on the other side. A friend of mine, who had between his house and the base station some apple trees experienced in summer time less sleeping problems than in winter time, when there were no leafes on the trees. But on the other hand, using the usual metallic shielding, only the measurable radiation is diminished, the Tesla waves that are responsible for the negative health effect, pass this kind of shielding; but very strangely they are turned positive, measuring them with elekctroacupunkture. That is the reason why ES-peope first profit from this kind of shielding and in the long run find no lasting relief. Happy Christmas Dietrich Gruen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2006 Report Share Posted December 25, 2006 Since you are aware of the effect of water as a emf protection device you have probably thought about or looked for devices, products and ways to use water as a shielding device. Are there any products or strategies or methods that you have found to use water as a shield. I do not know enough to myself to contruct such a device but was thinking maybe lots of aquariums and fish tanks as a possibility. Re: Water as an emf block In einer eMail vom 23.12.2006 02:02:52 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt denom@...: Recently we had a snow storm here. I have an atomic clock that stopped working during the storm. It just stopped at 4:00. Then after the storm was over it began working right again. This tells me that the storm was putting up enough interference that it was blocking the signal from somewhere in Colorado which is where I think it comes from. Also I notice when there are several inches of snow on the roof I feel better. All the shielding I've put up I have not been able to stop the clock from working yet. Somebody needs to invent a double pained window that can contain water to block the emf's. This is really good news. What is needed i a layer of water about 1 inch thick, to block that radiation, that causes the health problems. Experimenting with elektroacupunkture I have found this. You can also see this on trees especially in autumn near base stations. The leafes on the side of the base station look different than those on the other side, even if they get nearly the same sunshsine. This shows best on cherry trees. Measuring the negative load via electroakupunkture you will also find the leafes on the side of the base station much more negative than on the other side. A friend of mine, who had between his house and the base station some apple trees experienced in summer time less sleeping problems than in winter time, when there were no leafes on the trees. But on the other hand, using the usual metallic shielding, only the measurable radiation is diminished, the Tesla waves that are responsible for the negative health effect, pass this kind of shielding; but very strangely they are turned positive, measuring them with elekctroacupunkture. That is the reason why ES-peope first profit from this kind of shielding and in the long run find no lasting relief. Happy Christmas Dietrich Gruen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2006 Report Share Posted December 26, 2006 I hope everyone's Christmas was better than mine this year! Was sick but good. From a previous post, here you go: " one of the few things that protects against magnetic fields is water. If there's anyone building a house, or even greenhouse (which this is used for), it might be worth looking into incorporating. It's called " Water Wall Bags " . I found it in a catalog, www.GrowersSupply.com I'd guess it could be gotten cheaper elsewhere. " ~ Snoshoe > > Since you are aware of the effect of water as a emf protection device you have probably thought about or looked for devices, products and ways to use water as a shielding device. Are there any products or strategies or methods that you have found to use water as a shield. I do not know enough to myself to contruct such a device but was thinking maybe lots of aquariums and fish tanks as a possibility. > Re: Water as an emf block > > > > In einer eMail vom 23.12.2006 02:02:52 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt > denom@...: > > Recently we had a snow storm here. I have an atomic clock that stopped > working during the storm. It just stopped at 4:00. Then after the > storm was over it began working right again. This tells me that the > storm was putting up enough interference that it was blocking the signal > from somewhere in Colorado which is where I think it comes from. Also I > notice when there are several inches of snow on the roof I feel better. > All the shielding I've put up I have not been able to stop the clock > from working yet. Somebody needs to invent a double pained window that > can contain water to block the emf's. > > This is really good news. What is needed i a layer of water about 1 inch > thick, to block that radiation, that causes the health problems. Experimenting > with elektroacupunkture I have found this. You can also see this on trees > especially in autumn near base stations. The leafes on the side of the base > station look different than those on the other side, even if they get nearly the > same sunshsine. This shows best on cherry trees. Measuring the negative load > via electroakupunkture you will also find the leafes on the side of the base > station much more negative than on the other side. A friend of mine, who > had between his house and the base station some apple trees experienced in > summer time less sleeping problems than in winter time, when there were no leafes > on the trees. > > But on the other hand, using the usual metallic shielding, only the > measurable radiation is diminished, the Tesla waves that are responsible for the > negative health effect, pass this kind of shielding; but very strangely they are > turned positive, measuring them with elekctroacupunkture. That is the reason > why ES-peope first profit from this kind of shielding and in the long run find > no lasting relief. > > Happy Christmas > Dietrich Gruen > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2006 Report Share Posted December 27, 2006 Thanks for the info. I did an experiment last nite. My atomic clock faces east and on the opposite side of the wall which faces Colorado where the signal is supposed to come from I put a gallon bottle of water. It didn't block the signal to the clock. It would be interesting to know what it is about the snow storm, snow shoe, that blocked the signal to the clock. Re: Water as an emf block > > > > In einer eMail vom 23.12.2006 02:02:52 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt > denom@...: > > Recently we had a snow storm here. I have an atomic clock that stopped > working during the storm. It just stopped at 4:00. Then after the > storm was over it began working right again. This tells me that the > storm was putting up enough interference that it was blocking the signal > from somewhere in Colorado which is where I think it comes from. Also I > notice when there are several inches of snow on the roof I feel better. > All the shielding I've put up I have not been able to stop the clock > from working yet. Somebody needs to invent a double pained window that > can contain water to block the emf's. > > This is really good news. What is needed i a layer of water about 1 inch > thick, to block that radiation, that causes the health problems. Experimenting > with elektroacupunkture I have found this. You can also see this on trees > especially in autumn near base stations. The leafes on the side of the base > station look different than those on the other side, even if they get nearly the > same sunshsine. This shows best on cherry trees. Measuring the negative load > via electroakupunkture you will also find the leafes on the side of the base > station much more negative than on the other side. A friend of mine, who > had between his house and the base station some apple trees experienced in > summer time less sleeping problems than in winter time, when there were no leafes > on the trees. > > But on the other hand, using the usual metallic shielding, only the > measurable radiation is diminished, the Tesla waves that are responsible for the > negative health effect, pass this kind of shielding; but very strangely they are > turned positive, measuring them with elekctroacupunkture. That is the reason > why ES-peope first profit from this kind of shielding and in the long run find > no lasting relief. > > Happy Christmas > Dietrich Gruen > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2006 Report Share Posted December 27, 2006 > > Thanks for the info. I did an experiment last nite. My atomic clock faces east and on the opposite side of the wall which faces Colorado where the signal is supposed to come from I put a gallon bottle of water. It didn't block the signal to the clock. It would be interesting to know what it is about the snow storm, snow shoe, that blocked the signal to the clock. ** Try placing the clock inside a large pan of water, maybe in a bathtub, so it is completely covered by a lot of water. Of course, the clock would need to be protected by a bag or in a watertight container. Also, you may need some impurities in the water, like the snow, maybe add a small amount of dirt or salt. The theory here - EMF can often bend around a single jug of water. Microwave or similar signals do not bend, but many other signals do. The snow was like a blanket, around the house, so the blockage was very complete. I am actually fascinated by this, and am reminded that this is consistent with the fact that ordinary radio waves do not penetrate the oceans, submarines must float an antenna to the surface to communicate using ordinary radio signals. --Kurt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2006 Report Share Posted December 27, 2006 This thing about water isn't really a useful test. The atomic clock signals from colorado are broadcast on 2.5, 5, 10, 15 and 20 mhz. Depending on the time of day and sunspot activity, they could arrive on any one of those frequencies. In addition, because the signals bounce off the ionosphere one or more times, it is likely that the signals are approaching your house at a high angle (toward your roof, rather than at the side of your house). Finally, HF radio signals (such as the ones you describe) are absorbed and re- radiated by pipes, gutters, wiring, and almost everything else metal inside your house, 'scrambling' the apparent direction of the signal. Trying to block the WWV signal (time signal) using a gallon of water is kind of like trying to stop an AM radio signal from getting to an AM radio by the same method. It won't work. To make matters even more complicated, the national bureau of standards and technologies also broadcasts the time signals on the SAME FREQUENCIES from Hawaii, so depending on time of day and geographic location, you could be picking up the Hawaii signals instead. If you have a short-wave radio receiver you can listen to the signals - usually strongest on 5, 10, or 15 MHz. The male voice is from Colorado, the female voice is from Hawaii, in case you can hear both. I can also attest that you can do a LOT of shielding (whether water or metal or snow) and you can still get plenty of HF radio into your house via gaps in the shielding or walls where there is no snow. Garth On Dec 27, 2006, at 4:26 AM, denom wrote: > Thanks for the info. I did an experiment last nite. My atomic > clock faces east and on the opposite side of the wall which faces > Colorado where the signal is supposed to come from I put a gallon > bottle of water. It didn't block the signal to the clock. It > would be interesting to know what it is about the snow storm, snow > shoe, that blocked the signal to the clock. > Re: Water as an emf block >> >> >> >> In einer eMail vom 23.12.2006 02:02:52 Westeuropäische Normalzeit > schreibt >> denom@...: >> >> Recently we had a snow storm here. I have an atomic clock that > stopped >> working during the storm. It just stopped at 4:00. Then after the >> storm was over it began working right again. This tells me that > the >> storm was putting up enough interference that it was blocking the > signal >> from somewhere in Colorado which is where I think it comes from. > Also I >> notice when there are several inches of snow on the roof I feel > better. >> All the shielding I've put up I have not been able to stop the > clock >> from working yet. Somebody needs to invent a double pained window > that >> can contain water to block the emf's. >> >> This is really good news. What is needed i a layer of water about > 1 inch >> thick, to block that radiation, that causes the health problems. > Experimenting >> with elektroacupunkture I have found this. You can also see this > on trees >> especially in autumn near base stations. The leafes on the side > of the base >> station look different than those on the other side, even if they > get nearly the >> same sunshsine. This shows best on cherry trees. Measuring the > negative load >> via electroakupunkture you will also find the leafes on the side > of the base >> station much more negative than on the other side. A friend of > mine, who >> had between his house and the base station some apple trees > experienced in >> summer time less sleeping problems than in winter time, when > there were no leafes >> on the trees. >> >> But on the other hand, using the usual metallic shielding, only > the >> measurable radiation is diminished, the Tesla waves that are > responsible for the >> negative health effect, pass this kind of shielding; but very > strangely they are >> turned positive, measuring them with elekctroacupunkture. That is > the reason >> why ES-peope first profit from this kind of shielding and in the > long run find >> no lasting relief. >> >> Happy Christmas >> Dietrich Gruen >> > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2006 Report Share Posted December 27, 2006 I would not guess that it was the snow on the roof that was blocking the signals since the snow on the roof was still there for awhile after the storm stopped and the clock started working again. What you are saying is that it could be that water can block emf if the shielding is everywhere. I will have to try another experiment with the clock surrounded by water on all sides and if it works then that would prove that water can shield frequencies. Re: Water as an emf block >> >> >> >> In einer eMail vom 23.12.2006 02:02:52 Westeuropäische Normalzeit > schreibt >> denom@...: >> >> Recently we had a snow storm here. I have an atomic clock that > stopped >> working during the storm. It just stopped at 4:00. Then after the >> storm was over it began working right again. This tells me that > the >> storm was putting up enough interference that it was blocking the > signal >> from somewhere in Colorado which is where I think it comes from. > Also I >> notice when there are several inches of snow on the roof I feel > better. >> All the shielding I've put up I have not been able to stop the > clock >> from working yet. Somebody needs to invent a double pained window > that >> can contain water to block the emf's. >> >> This is really good news. What is needed i a layer of water about > 1 inch >> thick, to block that radiation, that causes the health problems. > Experimenting >> with elektroacupunkture I have found this. You can also see this > on trees >> especially in autumn near base stations. The leafes on the side > of the base >> station look different than those on the other side, even if they > get nearly the >> same sunshsine. This shows best on cherry trees. Measuring the > negative load >> via electroakupunkture you will also find the leafes on the side > of the base >> station much more negative than on the other side. A friend of > mine, who >> had between his house and the base station some apple trees > experienced in >> summer time less sleeping problems than in winter time, when > there were no leafes >> on the trees. >> >> But on the other hand, using the usual metallic shielding, only > the >> measurable radiation is diminished, the Tesla waves that are > responsible for the >> negative health effect, pass this kind of shielding; but very > strangely they are >> turned positive, measuring them with elekctroacupunkture. That is > the reason >> why ES-peope first profit from this kind of shielding and in the > long run find >> no lasting relief. >> >> Happy Christmas >> Dietrich Gruen >> > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2006 Report Share Posted December 28, 2006 Water >can< shield EMF's, definitely, but it takes a LOT of it, and saltwater is far more effective than normal water. Even with saltwater, the effectiveness varies by frequency. Although a few inches of water might stop microwaves (cell phones, etc), lower frequencies in the HF and ELF range can easily penetrate it. In the past, military submarine communications took place via ELF. In fact, the frequency used for submarine communication during the cold war was 76hz, which is very close to our 60hz power line frequency, so obviously even a LOT of saltwater won't stop 60hz radiation, since submarines could still receive 76hz even when submerged quite deeply. The result is that I'm saying that yes, water/snow can block some higher frequency RF to some degree, but the effect is not strong enough to be useful for blocking EMF's for electrosensitivity. Even sattelite TV dishes which use very high frequency waves are still mostly functional in rain and snow storms. Garth On Dec 27, 2006, at 8:04 PM, denom wrote: > I would not guess that it was the snow on the roof that was > blocking the signals since the snow on the roof was still there for > awhile after the storm stopped and the clock started working > again. What you are saying is that it could be that water can > block emf if the shielding is everywhere. I will have to try > another experiment with the clock surrounded by water on all sides > and if it works then that would prove that water can shield > frequencies. > Re: Water as an emf block >>> >>> >>> >>> In einer eMail vom 23.12.2006 02:02:52 Westeuropäische Normalzeit >> schreibt >>> denom@...: >>> >>> Recently we had a snow storm here. I have an atomic clock that >> stopped >>> working during the storm. It just stopped at 4:00. Then after the >>> storm was over it began working right again. This tells me that >> the >>> storm was putting up enough interference that it was blocking the >> signal >>> from somewhere in Colorado which is where I think it comes from. >> Also I >>> notice when there are several inches of snow on the roof I feel >> better. >>> All the shielding I've put up I have not been able to stop the >> clock >>> from working yet. Somebody needs to invent a double pained window >> that >>> can contain water to block the emf's. >>> >>> This is really good news. What is needed i a layer of water about >> 1 inch >>> thick, to block that radiation, that causes the health problems. >> Experimenting >>> with elektroacupunkture I have found this. You can also see this >> on trees >>> especially in autumn near base stations. The leafes on the side >> of the base >>> station look different than those on the other side, even if they >> get nearly the >>> same sunshsine. This shows best on cherry trees. Measuring the >> negative load >>> via electroakupunkture you will also find the leafes on the side >> of the base >>> station much more negative than on the other side. A friend of >> mine, who >>> had between his house and the base station some apple trees >> experienced in >>> summer time less sleeping problems than in winter time, when >> there were no leafes >>> on the trees. >>> >>> But on the other hand, using the usual metallic shielding, only >> the >>> measurable radiation is diminished, the Tesla waves that are >> responsible for the >>> negative health effect, pass this kind of shielding; but very >> strangely they are >>> turned positive, measuring them with elekctroacupunkture. That is >> the reason >>> why ES-peope first profit from this kind of shielding and in the >> long run find >>> no lasting relief. >>> >>> Happy Christmas >>> Dietrich Gruen >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2006 Report Share Posted December 30, 2006 It is good to talk to someone who knows things about this, unlike myself. I have shielding of some sort in every room in my house. But I am concentrating mostly on my living room for now since it is the room where I spend most of my time. I live in a mobile home that was very cheap which I fixed up on the inside. If I lived in a regular home I would not be experimenting so much with the shielding. I have layers of shielding which eventually I will cover with some 1/4 inch sheetrock to hide it. And I am placing insulation ceiling tiles on the ceiling to cover the shielding there. I have layers of different materials that I have tried. Some that block microwaves. Others are just very conductive and I use them to ground the whole thing. Chicken wire didn't do anything for me. I used to put it into the walls when I was replacing all the cheap material that originally was in the home. The smaller the holes in the wire the better. I use wire with 1/4 inch openings. I have been told that you should place another sheet of wire a quarter inch on top of the first wire and make sure the holes don't line up. What I did was place insulation between the wire. I found this to be very very helpful. Although the space between the wire is about 3/4 inch. I am open to testing any other shielding materials but the are mostly so expensive when looked for on line. I'm open to any suggestions if anybody else has any ideas for shielding materials. Re: Water as an emf block >>> >>> >>> >>> In einer eMail vom 23.12.2006 02:02:52 Westeuropäische Normalzeit >> schreibt >>> denom@...: >>> >>> Recently we had a snow storm here. I have an atomic clock that >> stopped >>> working during the storm. It just stopped at 4:00. Then after the >>> storm was over it began working right again. This tells me that >> the >>> storm was putting up enough interference that it was blocking the >> signal >>> from somewhere in Colorado which is where I think it comes from. >> Also I >>> notice when there are several inches of snow on the roof I feel >> better. >>> All the shielding I've put up I have not been able to stop the >> clock >>> from working yet. Somebody needs to invent a double pained window >> that >>> can contain water to block the emf's. >>> >>> This is really good news. What is needed i a layer of water about >> 1 inch >>> thick, to block that radiation, that causes the health problems. >> Experimenting >>> with elektroacupunkture I have found this. You can also see this >> on trees >>> especially in autumn near base stations. The leafes on the side >> of the base >>> station look different than those on the other side, even if they >> get nearly the >>> same sunshsine. This shows best on cherry trees. Measuring the >> negative load >>> via electroakupunkture you will also find the leafes on the side >> of the base >>> station much more negative than on the other side. A friend of >> mine, who >>> had between his house and the base station some apple trees >> experienced in >>> summer time less sleeping problems than in winter time, when >> there were no leafes >>> on the trees. >>> >>> But on the other hand, using the usual metallic shielding, only >> the >>> measurable radiation is diminished, the Tesla waves that are >> responsible for the >>> negative health effect, pass this kind of shielding; but very >> strangely they are >>> turned positive, measuring them with elekctroacupunkture. That is >> the reason >>> why ES-peope first profit from this kind of shielding and in the >> long run find >>> no lasting relief. >>> >>> Happy Christmas >>> Dietrich Gruen >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2007 Report Share Posted January 23, 2007 Garth wrote: " Even sattelite TV dishes which use very high frequency waves are still mostly functional in rain and snow storms. " I have been told, however, that cell towers have to boost their signal when it precipitates. Does anyone know if this is true? And, Garth, does " mostly functional " mean that there is some decline in signal reception? Regards, Shivani Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2007 Report Share Posted January 24, 2007 Shivani wrote - I have been told, however, that cell towers have to boost their signal when it precipitates. Does anyone know if this is true? replies - That might be part of the jigsaw wherby certain ES people feel skiffy given ceratin weather patterns. Funnily enough I feel like crap today its snowed here in the south east of uk today. Ps can someone finally please enlighten me as to why a single supporting alluminium strip that holds polycarbonate roof sheeting on my conservatory (approx 2.4 m longx 25mm wide) has both an elec feild and a mag feild ? Any ideas. regards double ps - Can mu metal shield emfs in cars ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2007 Report Share Posted January 24, 2007 Try looking up the terms " rain fade " and " rain attenuation " as applied in the telecom sector for more info, too. Here's a brief description URL: http://tinyurl.com/4pe8r Beau > I have been told, however, that cell towers have to boost their signal > when it precipitates. Does anyone know if this is true? > And, Garth, does " mostly functional " mean that there is some decline in > signal reception? > Regards, > Shivani > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2007 Report Share Posted January 24, 2007 Yes, it does have some effect on microwaves, especially, and it is true that some cell towers do vary signal power to compensate for weather. My point in the earlier post was that the effect is pretty minimal on lower frequencies (such as AM broadcast stations or powerline frequencies), and that even at microwave range, it takes a lot of rain or snow to dramatically reduce exposure. Here in seattle, both my cell phone and GPS (sattelite based) worked just fine in the recent snowstorms, for instance. On Jan 24, 2007, at 1:34 PM, bbin37 wrote: > Try looking up the terms " rain fade " and " rain attenuation " as applied > in the telecom sector for more info, too. Here's a brief > description URL: > > http://tinyurl.com/4pe8r > > Beau > > > >> I have been told, however, that cell towers have to boost their >> signal >> when it precipitates. Does anyone know if this is true? >> And, Garth, does " mostly functional " mean that there is some >> decline in >> signal reception? >> Regards, >> Shivani >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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