Re: magnetic fields in Hybrid cars

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> The best cars so far are the Honda Civic and CRV.

Is that a regular Honda Civic (non-hybrid), or a

hybrid Honda Civic?

Marc

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So what are you saying is the Trifeild totally inacurate to use on a car or

what. It certainly shows the difference between cars. As I have said before

I am reasonably ok in a 1999 petrol fiat punto 1.2sx no air bag fairly

basic (apart from poor seating which is a pain in the neck !) but if I get into

my wifes Petrol 2.0ltr Renault Scenic 2002 it reduces me to a quibbling wreck

within 15mins journey time. My Trifeild measures off thescale at head level

near sunroof switches and alarm sensors !! Help because it is such a nice car

to drive. ps what is it about air bags ?

I would love a new car but Iam scared at making wrong move. Evan my fathers

Rover 1.4 yr2002 is better than the reanualt but worse than the fiat, it

definately gives me a sensation in my abdomen almost like butterflies but minus

the phychology almost induced ?

thanks

[Guest guest]

Hi and folks:

Just a few brief notes, offered largely from the perspective of my

engineering and scientific background:

The Trifield 100 XE meter is an AC meter, and, when measuring

magnetic fields, while its range does extend down to about 5 hz (with

10X reduced sensitivity, however, compared to its sensitivity at 1

kHz), it largely does not detect magnetic fields in the range below 4

Hz, and has zero response to DC magnetic fields. In any electric car,

DC magnetic fields and extremely low frequency magnetic fields may

well be the predominant types of magnetic field present, and thus the

Trifield 100 XE, since it largely ignores such fields, will yield a

number which might appear misleadlingly low unless the readings from

a DC gaussmeter were considered as well, or better, the readings from

a DC gaussmeter plus an ELF gaussmeter covering the range of 0.1 Hz

to 5 Hz (the latter is quite a rare bird!)

with care,

--Vinny

At 09:41 PM 10/3/2006, you wrote:

>Today I tested a Saturn SUV hybrid, a Toyota Camry hybrid, Honda Accord

>and Civic Hybrid and an Accord TL with my TriField 100 XE meter.

>

>They all tested much higher than regular cars. I found that at the feet

>the magnetic fields between 35-75 mG. In the back seat from 10-25 mG

>around the batteries and in the air at head height about 8 mG.

>

>The best cars so far are the Honda Civic and CRV.

>

>That's it for now.

>

>

>

>

>

Vinny Pinto

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[Guest guest]

Hi :

In reply to your question below: You may wish to re-read my letter. I

am not saying that the magnetic field readings within the cars

yielded by the Trivield 100 EX are useless, but rather - much as both

and I have ofen repeated on this forum about readings from

general purpose meters -- will simply give too low an indication of

the true levels of magnetic fields, since the predominant fields will

be DC and in the range of 0.01 to 4 Hz, which the meter largely ignores.

with care,

--Vinny

At 03:08 PM 10/4/2006, you wrote:

>So what are you saying is the Trifeild totally inacurate to use on a car or

>what. It certainly shows the difference between cars. As I have

>said before

>I am reasonably ok in a 1999 petrol fiat punto 1.2sx no air bag fairly

>basic (apart from poor seating which is a pain in the neck !) but

>if I get into

>my wifes Petrol 2.0ltr Renault Scenic 2002 it reduces me to

>a quibbling wreck

>within 15mins journey time. My Trifeild measures off thescale at head level

>near sunroof switches and alarm sensors !! Help because it is such

>a nice car

>to drive. ps what is it about air bags ?

>I would love a new car but Iam scared at making wrong move. Evan my fathers

>Rover 1.4 yr2002 is better than the reanualt but worse than the fiat, it

>definately gives me a sensation in my abdomen almost like

>butterflies but minus

>the phychology almost induced ?

>

>thanks

>

>

>

>

Vinny Pinto

vinny@...

phone 301-694-1249

To see my informational websites and e-mail list groups, please go to:

http://www.vinnypinto.us

[Guest guest]

The good reading was the regular Civic. The bad were in the Civic

hybrid.

Today I drove a Toyota Highlander Hybrid and it actually had pretty

good readings up front, great in the back and not great on the

passenger side floor.

It is the first Hybrid that was actually promising. The price is not

promising.

On Oct 4, 2006, at 10:24 AM, Marc wrote:

>> The best cars so far are the Honda Civic and CRV.

>

> Is that a regular Honda Civic (non-hybrid), or a

> hybrid Honda Civic?

>

> Marc

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

So things can be much worse than the 100XE portrays, is the way I read

this.

At least it is a start for comparisons sake.

On Oct 4, 2006, at 4:04 PM, Vinny Pinto wrote:

> Hi :

>

> In reply to your question below: You may wish to re-read my letter. I

> am not saying that the magnetic field readings within the cars

> yielded by the Trivield 100 EX are useless, but rather - much as both

> and I have ofen repeated on this forum about readings from

> general purpose meters -- will simply give too low an indication of

> the true levels of magnetic fields, since the predominant fields will

> be DC and in the range of 0.01 to 4 Hz, which the meter largely

> ignores.

>

> with care,

> --Vinny

>

> At 03:08 PM 10/4/2006, you wrote:

>> So what are you saying is the Trifeild totally inacurate to use on a

>> car or

>> what. It certainly shows the difference between cars. As I have

>> said before

>> I am reasonably ok in a 1999 petrol fiat punto 1.2sx no air bag

>> fairly

>> basic (apart from poor seating which is a pain in the neck !) but

>> if I get into

>> my wifes Petrol 2.0ltr Renault Scenic 2002 it reduces me to

>> a quibbling wreck

>> within 15mins journey time. My Trifeild measures off thescale at

>> head level

>> near sunroof switches and alarm sensors !! Help because it is such

>> a nice car

>> to drive. ps what is it about air bags ?

>> I would love a new car but Iam scared at making wrong move. Evan my

>> fathers

>> Rover 1.4 yr2002 is better than the reanualt but worse than the fiat,

>> it

>> definately gives me a sensation in my abdomen almost like

>> butterflies but minus

>> the phychology almost induced ?

>>

>> thanks

>>

>>

>>

>>

>

>

> Vinny Pinto

> vinny@...

>

> phone 301-694-1249

>

> To see my informational websites and e-mail list groups, please go to:

> http://www.vinnypinto.us

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Much as we would all like to be green, the implication definitely seems to

be that ES people should stick to gas guzzling conventional cars... (or, at

least, economical ones)

Ian

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Subject: Re: magnetic fields in Hybrid cars

The good reading was the regular Civic. The bad were in the Civic

hybrid.

Today I drove a Toyota Highlander Hybrid and it actually had pretty

good readings up front, great in the back and not great on the

passenger side floor.

It is the first Hybrid that was actually promising. The price is not

promising.

On Oct 4, 2006, at 10:24 AM, Marc wrote:

>> The best cars so far are the Honda Civic and CRV.

>

> Is that a regular Honda Civic (non-hybrid), or a

> hybrid Honda Civic?

>

> Marc

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

OK - where`s the meter that does the lot ?

[Guest guest]

Hi :

If you will recall from past posts, the fact is, as several of us

have discussed here in the past, that there IS no one meter which

measures all these things plus the other fields which are being

neglected. Rather, at current state of the art, it would take

employing a combination of at least several meters, and even then,

the portrait would be incomplete.

with care,

--Vinny

At 03:32 PM 10/5/2006, you wrote:

>OK - where`s the meter that does the lot ?

>

>

Vinny Pinto

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[Guest guest]

That is right.

I own many, many meters and antennas.

But that is not enough for measuring all.

Greetings,

Claessens

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Re: magnetic fields in Hybrid cars

> Hi :

>

> If you will recall from past posts, the fact is, as several of us

> have discussed here in the past, that there IS no one meter which

> measures all these things plus the other fields which are being

> neglected. Rather, at current state of the art, it would take

> employing a combination of at least several meters, and even then,

> the portrait would be incomplete.

>

> with care,

> --Vinny

>

> At 03:32 PM 10/5/2006, you wrote:

>>OK - where`s the meter that does the lot ?

>>

>>

>

>

> Vinny Pinto

> vinny@...

>

> phone 301-694-1249

>

> To see my informational websites and e-mail list groups, please go to:

> http://www.vinnypinto.us

>

[Guest guest]

Well, , I think you are the man to design one!

If your dad could make that cool dental gadget, then you got

it in you to do the same.

Really though, I do think it is possible to make a more inclusive

multimeter than what is already available. Price would probably have

it out of most of our reach, just like some of the better ones

already, but then calculators were an awful lot when they came out

too.

~ Snoshoe

>

> That is right.

>

> I own many, many meters and antennas.

> But that is not enough for measuring all.

>

> Greetings,

> Claessens

> member Verband Baubiologie

> www.milieuziektes.nl

> www.milieuziektes.be

> www.hetbitje.nl

> checked by Norton Antivirus

>

>

[Guest guest]

Just wondering, do you know how that compares with say your nonhybrid

vehicles?

Does anyone else remember 20 some years ago when they were talking

about making these cars, and they didn't get very far with the public

market, because it was brought out about the electrosmog problems

they produced?

Several years back when Ford was starting to make one of these again,

I wrote them and asked what had been changed since that point in time

to reduce or sheild people against the emf fields. I never got a

reply.

~ Snoshoe

>

> The good reading was the regular Civic. The bad were in the Civic

> hybrid.

>

> Today I drove a Toyota Highlander Hybrid and it actually had pretty

> good readings up front, great in the back and not great on the

> passenger side floor.

> It is the first Hybrid that was actually promising. The price is

not

> promising.

>

[Guest guest]

Hello Snoshoe,

why inventing the wheel again, when we have perfect round wheels?

I have a 3D Tesla merter which runs from 16 Hz to 1.000 Hz.

(In Germany the trains rin on16.7 Hz, so that's why the 16 Hz)

I also have a 1 D meter which goes from 5 Hz to 400 kHz (according the TCO

norms)

For static magnetic fields I use a compass and a simple Magnetometer, which

I can reset to Zero, because inside houses measuring is complicated by many

metals things, which influence measuring.

There are also nice 3D magnetometers, but they cost about 5.000 $.

And with cars, don't underestimate the magnetic (AC) fields in the tyres!

Crick the car up, turn the wheel and hold the meter close to the surface of

the rubber tyre.

Demagnetisize will help.

Greetings,

Claessens

member Verband Baubiologie

www.milieuziektes.nl

www.milieuziektes.be

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Re: magnetic fields in Hybrid cars

> Well, , I think you are the man to design one!

>

> If your dad could make that cool dental gadget, then you got

> it in you to do the same.

>

> Really though, I do think it is possible to make a more inclusive

> multimeter than what is already available. Price would probably have

> it out of most of our reach, just like some of the better ones

> already, but then calculators were an awful lot when they came out

> too.

>

> ~ Snoshoe

>

>

>

>>

>> That is right.

>>

>> I own many, many meters and antennas.

>> But that is not enough for measuring all.

>>

>> Greetings,

>> Claessens

>> member Verband Baubiologie

>> www.milieuziektes.nl

>> www.milieuziektes.be

>> www.hetbitje.nl

>> checked by Norton Antivirus

>>

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