Re: Overcoming Electrical Sensitivity - a new website

[Guest guest]

Glad to hear you success story. I have ordered some of the remedies you

have mentioned and look forward to trying them.

Thanks for the website info.

On Dec 22, 2006, at 10:07 PM, gilligan_joy wrote:

> Dear Readers,

>

> I have created a new website, Overcoming Electrical Sensitivity

> <http://www.electrical-sensitivity.info> . I'm actually free from

> electrical sensitivity after nearly dying from it, and my website has

> been created as a result of my experience with overcoming the illness.

> My hope is that others will learn from my experience and free

> themselves

> from electrical sensitivity also.

>

> Thank you,

> Gilligan Joy

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> I have created a new website, Overcoming Electrical Sensitivity

> <http://www.electrical-sensitivity.info> . I'm actually free from

> electrical sensitivity after nearly dying from it

Welcome to the group, Gilligan!

I haven't read through your entire website yet, but your story

does sound similar to mine. The names of the supplements and

devices are different, but the improvements are similar. Maybe

I'll even try out a few things you've mentioned that I haven't

tried...

On your EMF devices list, I can say that the Earthcalm

items were too strong for me, although I suppose given a year I

probably could have adjusted to them. Also, the Personal

Rejuvenizer pendants were something that I had limited

tolerance to. And the Q-Link pendant did nothing for me.

(haven't tried the others you mention)

Some of the good ones for me were from Quantum Products,

Springlife Polarizers, Electromagnetic Pollution Rectifiers,

and the RA*D*AR card. Also, the Earthcalm pendants certainly

worked for as long as I could stand it! Also, the

prototype " Coherent Space " products seem to work pretty well

(http://www.coherentspace.info/products.html).

Marc

[Guest guest]

Hi Marc,

Thanks for your feedback. I took the Q-Link pendant off the list.

Thanks for mentioning the other devices: I hadn't heard about most of

them.

Your reaction to the Earthcalm devices is a good indication that you

need a lot of healing. I had the same kind of reaction when I first

started using them; to avoid overstressing my body I simply limited my

use of them at first, and was gradually able to increase the time I

could use them.

EMF protection is only part of the solution. To really make progress

in my healing I had to detox my body and take nutrients that were very

specific to the nervous system.

Cheers,

Gilligan

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Re: Overcoming Electrical Sensitivity - a new website

> Hi Marc,

>

> Thanks for your feedback. I took the Q-Link pendant off the list.

> Thanks for mentioning the other devices: I hadn't heard about most of

> them.

>

> Your reaction to the Earthcalm devices is a good indication that you

> need a lot of healing. I had the same kind of reaction when I first

> started using them; to avoid overstressing my body I simply limited my

> use of them at first, and was gradually able to increase the time I

> could use them.

>

> EMF protection is only part of the solution. To really make progress

> in my healing I had to detox my body and take nutrients that were very

> specific to the nervous system.

>

> Cheers,

> Gilligan

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> It takes a very long time for reaching the first page.

> Clicking on the other pages only give blanks.

> *Internet Explorer cannot display the webpage*

>

Try upgrading to Opera.

[Guest guest]

skrzn wrote:

>

>> It takes a very long time for reaching the first page.

>> Clicking on the other pages only give blanks.

>> *Internet Explorer cannot display the webpage*

>

> Try upgrading to Opera.

Actually, my copy of IE 6.0 works just fine with this

page. Firefox does as well.

Marc

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Thanks for the feedback. If this becomes a consistent problem, I may

have to change website hosting companies. But I'll wait a while before

I'm sure I need to do that.

Thanks,

Gilligan Joy

[Guest guest]

Great site Gilligan. There is wisdom and insight

in your words, especially your thoughts about nervous

system burn out from fears and anxiety. Even the

strongest among us can get caught in a viscous cycle

until at last we snap. EMF exposure and neuro-toxins only

add fuel to the fire. It seems there are quite a few

software engineers among the ES, including myself.

Eli

[Guest guest]

> Thanks for your feedback. I took the Q-Link pendant off the list.

Did you have good results from the Q-Link? If so, you should probably

leave it on the list.

> Your reaction to the Earthcalm devices is a good indication that you

> need a lot of healing.

Actually, the main reason that I gave up on the Earthcalm devices

is that they made my cats urinate all over the carpet, and I

couldn't stand the smell of that! So I had to find devices

which both I and the cats were happy with (ones that weren't

as strong and had a smaller radius of effectiveness)

> EMF protection is only part of the solution. To really make progress

> in my healing I had to detox my body and take nutrients that were very

> specific to the nervous system.

Yes, I certainly also have benefited from a combination of avoidance,

detox, nutrition, and devices. However, there are some " nerve " supplements

that you've listed on your website which I've never tried --- Vacha Rasayana,

Skullcap, and Tissue Salts. Would you say that any of these were critical

to your recovery? Also, with the lecithin, did you use just any old brand,

or did you find one that worked better than the others? (I am rather

wary of lecithin supplements, as none of them appear to be organic,

and many are based on genetically modified soy -- eating organic

eggs seems to be the safest way to get lecithin in your diet)

Also, on the devices, did the MegaChi pendant or BocArcus Energy

field enhancers give any significant EMF protection, or were

these simply good for your health in general?

Thanks,

Marc

[Guest guest]

> Did you have good results from the Q-Link? If so, you should probably

> leave it on the list.

Oh, P.S. -- your website mentions that you tried several subtle

energy devices which you believed to be " toxic " . I'd be interested

in knowing the names of the devices which you had a bad reaction to

(and for that matter, the names of the devices to which you had

no reaction to)

Thanks!

Marc

[Guest guest]

Thank you, Eli. Not everyone will be as receptive to my website as you

are, unfortunately. The problem with the website is that it is not

based upon rigorous scientific research. Parts of the website, like

the page on EMF protection devices, will be a real turn-off for some

people because of this.

The website is based upon my experience and some good common sense,

for the most part. If a website like mine was available a few years

ago, I would have been spared a lot of suffering; what seems to me

like common sense now was a mystery to me when I was extremely ill

from electrical sensitivity.

I am surprised that nobody else has created a website with information

like mine has, but that may be because the causes of and cures for

electrical sensitivity really is a mystery to most people with the

illness and the health professionals who have ES sufferers as patients.

I am " going out on a limb " with my website because of the

" unscientific " claims that I make (there as yet are none or few people

who have freed themselves from ES by following a program similar to

the one I present), but my answer to that is: " try it and see. " We

humans are just learning about electrical sensitivity, and I present

my website as a useful starting point for finding a cure for the

illness. I do believe I have discovered some basic truths about ES,

and the next step is for some brilliant scientists to apply my ideas

in a rigorously scientific way to determine if there is empirical

truth to my claims.

However, my website is for people with electrical sensitivity, not

scientists. It would be plain stupid to wait for scientific proof of

the causes and cures for ES if people can benefit right now from what

I have learned. I think that many people with ES will agree that the

healing program I present is common sense and is worth trying. There

is little to lose by trying, and we will all learn from each other's

experience. There is going to be a Success Stories page on my website

for this purpose.

[Guest guest]

>

> > Thanks for your feedback. I took the Q-Link pendant off the list.

>

> Did you have good results from the Q-Link? If so, you should probably

> leave it on the list.

>

No, the Q-link didn't do much for me either. It's effects are quite

subtle.

> > Your reaction to the Earthcalm devices is a good indication that you

> > need a lot of healing.

>

> Actually, the main reason that I gave up on the Earthcalm devices

> is that they made my cats urinate all over the carpet, and I

> couldn't stand the smell of that! So I had to find devices

> which both I and the cats were happy with (ones that weren't

> as strong and had a smaller radius of effectiveness)

>

You can get EarthCalm pendants that won't effect your cats adversely.

> > EMF protection is only part of the solution. To really make progress

> > in my healing I had to detox my body and take nutrients that were very

> > specific to the nervous system.

>

> Yes, I certainly also have benefited from a combination of avoidance,

> detox, nutrition, and devices. However, there are some " nerve "

supplements

> that you've listed on your website which I've never tried --- Vacha

Rasayana,

> Skullcap, and Tissue Salts. Would you say that any of these were

critical

> to your recovery? Also, with the lecithin, did you use just any old

brand,

> or did you find one that worked better than the others? (I am rather

> wary of lecithin supplements, as none of them appear to be organic,

> and many are based on genetically modified soy -- eating organic

> eggs seems to be the safest way to get lecithin in your diet)

>

The nutritional supplements were absolutely critical to my recovery.

The skullcap, Vacha Rasaysna, tissue salts, and lecithin were all

extremely healing.

I wouldn't worry too much about the source of lecithin, as the

relative toxicity of any lecithin supplements, in my experience, was

very small in comparison to the gross toxicity of my body. If you are

worried about the toxicity of lecithin supplements, just get the best

you can find and use triphala to take care of the toxins.

Triphala is a very effective detoxifier, and it is relatively

inexpensive. I ordered 5 pounds of organic triphala from Banyan

Botanicals for about $100, but you won't need much at your stage of

healing! A tiny bit goes a long way, and that is true for the nerve

nutrients also.

> Also, on the devices, did the MegaChi pendant or BocArus Energy

> field enhancers give any significant EMF protection, or were

> these simply good for your health in general?

>

MegaChi and BocArus devices do provide significant EMF protection, but

they are relatively gentle in comparison with the EarthCalm devices.

The BocArus devices are very inexpensive, and that is why they are on

the list. The BocArus pendant is designed to be used with other

e.f.e's for complete protection. I suggest that you get an EarthCalm

pendant and focus on healing the nervous system with supplements and

detoxifying the body with triphala. Please let me know what works for you.

I wear two MegaChi pendants and a Personal Rejuvenizer. I don't wear

an EarthCalm pendant any more because I no longer need it, but it was

instrumental at the beginning of my recovery.

Hope that helps,

Gilligan

[Guest guest]

Hmmm. I already thought about this, because I briefly considered

putting that information on my website. However, I decided against

doing so because I'm not interested in making any enemies. I'd rather

just tell people what devices worked for me and seem to have a good

track record.

But really, EMF protection is only a small part of the program I

present on my website, and it is not the most important. For this

reason, it is listed last on my " things to do " list.

The most important parts of the program, and the real reason for my

recovery, are avoidance, the nutrients for the nervous system and

detoxification. When the body is healthy, it is much more resistant to

electropollution.

Gilligan

[Guest guest]

Thanks for producing the website, Joy. I hope it will be a great help to

many.

Thank you, Eli. Not everyone will be as receptive to my website as you

are, unfortunately. The problem with the website is that it is not

based upon rigorous scientific research. Parts of the website, like

the page on EMF protection devices, will be a real turn-off for some

people because of this.

However, true scientific research is almost always based on collating

experimental observations and searching for an explanation. So a case

history like yours is valid input and good science. Even more so if you are

able to add other case histories as you suggest. There are very few

scientific fields where the theory alone is able to predict results -

physics, maths and computer science predominantly. In others, including

biology, medical science, materials and many aspects of engineering, the

theory has always developed from the experimental observations, not vice

versa.

I very much like the way in which you are completely honest about your

background and put careful caveats on what you are saying. This makes it

far more credible and helpful. Also your avoidance of " politicisation " is

good, this stops people thinking " oh it's just a pressure group " which

happens with at least one other ES website.

The only major extra point I would make is that good diet, EMF avoidance and

detox may not be enough for a significant proportion of people. Why has

their immune system run down in the first place? For my wife Sue, she ate a

superb diet, had detoxed and yet things kept getting worse. Not till

specialised tests had been done did we find that the underlying factors were

specific (partly hereditary) and that key liver chemicals were missing and

needed to be specifically restored to make things better - and because of

leaky gut problems, oral supplements could not achieve this, only injections

or intravenous infusions. One day I will get round to writing up Sue's case

history in full as I keep seeming to repeat bits of it in various forms in

so many places!

Best wishes, Ian

_____

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of

gilligan_joy

Sent: 23 December 2006 19:31

Subject: Re: Overcoming Electrical Sensitivity - a new website

Thank you, Eli. Not everyone will be as receptive to my website as you

are, unfortunately. The problem with the website is that it is not

based upon rigorous scientific research. Parts of the website, like

the page on EMF protection devices, will be a real turn-off for some

people because of this.

The website is based upon my experience and some good common sense,

for the most part. If a website like mine was available a few years

ago, I would have been spared a lot of suffering; what seems to me

like common sense now was a mystery to me when I was extremely ill

from electrical sensitivity.

I am surprised that nobody else has created a website with information

like mine has, but that may be because the causes of and cures for

electrical sensitivity really is a mystery to most people with the

illness and the health professionals who have ES sufferers as patients.

I am " going out on a limb " with my website because of the

" unscientific " claims that I make (there as yet are none or few people

who have freed themselves from ES by following a program similar to

the one I present), but my answer to that is: " try it and see. " We

humans are just learning about electrical sensitivity, and I present

my website as a useful starting point for finding a cure for the

illness. I do believe I have discovered some basic truths about ES,

and the next step is for some brilliant scientists to apply my ideas

in a rigorously scientific way to determine if there is empirical

truth to my claims.

However, my website is for people with electrical sensitivity, not

scientists. It would be plain stupid to wait for scientific proof of

the causes and cures for ES if people can benefit right now from what

I have learned. I think that many people with ES will agree that the

healing program I present is common sense and is worth trying. There

is little to lose by trying, and we will all learn from each other's

experience. There is going to be a Success Stories page on my website

for this purpose.

[Guest guest]

OOps, sorry, misread your email address and transposed your surname and

Christian name! Apologies!

Ian

_____

From: Ian Kemp [mailto:ianandsue.kemp@...]

Sent: 24 December 2006 13:07

' '

Subject: RE: Re: Overcoming Electrical Sensitivity - a new website

Thanks for producing the website, Joy. I hope it will be a great help to

many.

Thank you, Eli. Not everyone will be as receptive to my website as you

are, unfortunately. The problem with the website is that it is not

based upon rigorous scientific research. Parts of the website, like

the page on EMF protection devices, will be a real turn-off for some

people because of this.

However, true scientific research is almost always based on collating

experimental observations and searching for an explanation. So a case

history like yours is valid input and good science. Even more so if you are

able to add other case histories as you suggest. There are very few

scientific fields where the theory alone is able to predict results -

physics, maths and computer science predominantly. In others, including

biology, medical science, materials and many aspects of engineering, the

theory has always developed from the experimental observations, not vice

versa.

I very much like the way in which you are completely honest about your

background and put careful caveats on what you are saying. This makes it

far more credible and helpful. Also your avoidance of " politicisation " is

good, this stops people thinking " oh it's just a pressure group " which

happens with at least one other ES website.

The only major extra point I would make is that good diet, EMF avoidance and

detox may not be enough for a significant proportion of people. Why has

their immune system run down in the first place? For my wife Sue, she ate a

superb diet, had detoxed and yet things kept getting worse. Not till

specialised tests had been done did we find that the underlying factors were

specific (partly hereditary) and that key liver chemicals were missing and

needed to be specifically restored to make things better - and because of

leaky gut problems, oral supplements could not achieve this, only injections

or intravenous infusions. One day I will get round to writing up Sue's case

history in full as I keep seeming to repeat bits of it in various forms in

so many places!

Best wishes, Ian

_____

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of

gilligan_joy

Sent: 23 December 2006 19:31

Subject: Re: Overcoming Electrical Sensitivity - a new website

Thank you, Eli. Not everyone will be as receptive to my website as you

are, unfortunately. The problem with the website is that it is not

based upon rigorous scientific research. Parts of the website, like

the page on EMF protection devices, will be a real turn-off for some

people because of this.

The website is based upon my experience and some good common sense,

for the most part. If a website like mine was available a few years

ago, I would have been spared a lot of suffering; what seems to me

like common sense now was a mystery to me when I was extremely ill

from electrical sensitivity.

I am surprised that nobody else has created a website with information

like mine has, but that may be because the causes of and cures for

electrical sensitivity really is a mystery to most people with the

illness and the health professionals who have ES sufferers as patients.

I am " going out on a limb " with my website because of the

" unscientific " claims that I make (there as yet are none or few people

who have freed themselves from ES by following a program similar to

the one I present), but my answer to that is: " try it and see. " We

humans are just learning about electrical sensitivity, and I present

my website as a useful starting point for finding a cure for the

illness. I do believe I have discovered some basic truths about ES,

and the next step is for some brilliant scientists to apply my ideas

in a rigorously scientific way to determine if there is empirical

truth to my claims.

However, my website is for people with electrical sensitivity, not

scientists. It would be plain stupid to wait for scientific proof of

the causes and cures for ES if people can benefit right now from what

I have learned. I think that many people with ES will agree that the

healing program I present is common sense and is worth trying. There

is little to lose by trying, and we will all learn from each other's

experience. There is going to be a Success Stories page on my website

for this purpose.

[Guest guest]

Thanks for your feedback, Ian.

I know very well that the healing program I present will not be

sufficient for many people to free themselves from the illness, but it

is an essential foundation, and many people should experience some

improvement by following it.

When you get your wife's case history together, please let me know and

I will post it on my website. Has she made progress? I will post it on

my site regardless. Instead of calling the new section " Success

Stories " , perhaps a better name would be " Case Histories. "

[Guest guest]

Thanks Gilligan, will send it when I have got something ready.

The interesting trend that I have noticed so far is that of people I have

met or contacted with the severe form of ES, at least 75% (maybe more) have

some sort of severe immune system dysfunction causing ME, multiple chemical

sensitivity or similar problems. These are often helped by special diets

and supplements, but often something more is required. The remaining small

proportion appear to have had exposure to very high and prolonged EMF

fields, e.g. continued high use of mobile phones and electronic equipment

over many years (maybe early types of mobile were more damaging).

Ian

_____

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of

gilligan_joy

Sent: 24 December 2006 16:47

Subject: Re: Overcoming Electrical Sensitivity - a new website

Thanks for your feedback, Ian.

I know very well that the healing program I present will not be

sufficient for many people to free themselves from the illness, but it

is an essential foundation, and many people should experience some

improvement by following it.

When you get your wife's case history together, please let me know and

I will post it on my website. Has she made progress? I will post it on

my site regardless. Instead of calling the new section " Success

Stories " , perhaps a better name would be " Case Histories. "

[Guest guest]

Hi Ian,

You wrote:

>>>>The interesting trend that I have noticed so far is that of people I have

met or contacted with the severe form of ES, at least 75% (maybe more) have

some sort of severe immune system dysfunction causing ME, multiple chemical

sensitivity or similar problems. These are often helped by special diets

and supplements, but often something more is required.<<<<

{Speaking as a person with long term ME, and then MCS and then Esens},

While it is true that ME/CFS at least does involve significant immune

dysfunction, it is largely a Neurological disease, with a great deal of brain

dysfunction.

It is also increasingly considered a disease of Mitochondria malfunction. For

instance, relating to both of these, an MRS brain scan shows that I have Lactate

spikes in 6 of 36 grids of my brain. (These are found very high in full on Mito

disease).

My Neuro-psych testing shows several cognitive deficits, such as in Executive

functioning, that indicate " Right Hempishere Impairment " .

I also have Movement Disorders that indicate problem with the Basal Ganglia.

Other brain findings in many ME/CFS patients are:

low blood flow

Lesions, white spots

Apparent inflammation

Various metabolic and neurotransmitter imbalances

Typical also is sensory overload, meaning to lights, sound, movement,

smells...sometimes even touch or conversation/sound of others' voices, or acute

sensitivity to " energy " of others.

One patient's recent autopsy showed inflammation of the dorsal root ganglia,

which is said the be " the gateway to all sensation to the brain. "

There is also being found left ventricle ( Diastolic Dysfunction) of the Heart.

This may be a result of the Mitochondria malfunction. Technically speaking, this

DD/Cardiomyopathy is a form of slow heart failure.

Which in itself, effects many functions, including the brain.

Researchers are approaching the disease of ME from many different angles. Many

are relevant, since it is such a multi-system disease!

The majority of longest term ME/CFS researchers still believe it to have viral

origins...particularly those targeting the CNS/Brain, and some, the Heart,

resulting in multi-system malfunctions or injury.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Regarding MCS...there is some very fascinating work by Pall...also

focusing on the brain.

I wonder if someone who understands the EMF effect on the brain might be

interested in his work. just a guess.

Some of those with MCS/CI consider themselves *injured* by chemicals as opposed

to just sensitive or " allergic " to them.

{There may be different mechanisms in MCS/CI without ME/CFS and that that

appears with it ?} Something like that may be true with Esens also?...don't

know.

Anyway, just some food for thought. Especially about CNS and sensory damage. It

seems to me this might relate to Esens as much as just Immune Dysfunction.

Take care,

Katrina

>

> Thanks Gilligan, will send it when I have got something ready.

>

> The interesting trend that I have noticed so far is that of people I have

> met or contacted with the severe form of ES, at least 75% (maybe more) have

> some sort of severe immune system dysfunction causing ME, multiple chemical

> sensitivity or similar problems. These are often helped by special diets

> and supplements, but often something more is required. The remaining small

> proportion appear to have had exposure to very high and prolonged EMF

> fields, e.g. continued high use of mobile phones and electronic equipment

> over many years (maybe early types of mobile were more damaging).

>

> Ian

>

> _____

>

> From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of

> gilligan_joy

> Sent: 24 December 2006 16:47

>

> Subject: Re: Overcoming Electrical Sensitivity - a new website

>

>

>

> Thanks for your feedback, Ian.

>

> I know very well that the healing program I present will not be

> sufficient for many people to free themselves from the illness, but it

> is an essential foundation, and many people should experience some

> improvement by following it.

>

> When you get your wife's case history together, please let me know and

> I will post it on my website. Has she made progress? I will post it on

> my site regardless. Instead of calling the new section " Success

> Stories " , perhaps a better name would be " Case Histories. "

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> >

> > Thanks Gilligan, will send it when I have got something ready.

> >

> > The interesting trend that I have noticed so far is that of

people I

> have

> > met or contacted with the severe form of ES, at least 75% (maybe

> more) have

> > some sort of severe immune system dysfunction causing ME, multiple

> chemical

> > sensitivity or similar problems. These are often helped by

special

> diets

> > and supplements, but often something more is required. The

remaining

> small

> > proportion appear to have had exposure to very high and prolonged

EMF

> > fields, e.g. continued high use of mobile phones and electronic

> equipment

> > over many years (maybe early types of mobile were more damaging).

> >

> > Ian

>

> Yes I have the same impression about immune dysfunction but I

haven't

> put that information on my website yet because I want to be sure

about

> it. In my case I had no immune system dysfunction, but I do think my

> ES was severe because I almost died from it. There must be a way to

> heal the immune dysfunction, such as prolonged and intensive

practice

> of affirmations and very specific prayer, or the very powerful

Quigong

> practices mentioned on my website. The mind can heal anything if it

is

> strong enough and the opposing forces (e.g. electropollution) are

weak

> enough. But I believe the foundation (avoidance, nerve nutrients,

> detoxification, good diet) also needs to be in place, before

> significant gains can be made in healing the immune system.

>

> When the body starts attacking itself even worse diseases than ES

can

> manifest such as cancer or multiple sclerosis.

>

> The key to healing is to get the life force flowing. A strong life

> force can heal absolutely anything. I once read an inspiring story

> about a young woman who discovered she had terminal cancer. Instead

of

> bemoaning her fate, she decided to celebrate life, and give love to

> everything and everyone. She was a real inspiration to all of the

> people around her. Well, guess what? She is now free from cancer.

Love

> is the greatest healer of all.

>

> Gilligan

>

Hi Gilligan, I have just looked at your site and read several pages

and I was thinking, when you said you were working with disabled

people and you became extremely ill and said that they drained your

energy, are you sure this is what caused it? I am thinking maybe they

lived nearer electricity wires or their homes had poor wiring or they

had devices on that had strong fields. Or another possibility is that

you had recently been exposed to more fields at home and this built

up the wealening of you immune system, because i have noticed that I

often feel worse after I have used my computer than when i am

actually on it. I am open to your theory as possible but I am not

totally sure it is possible and is the actual cause.

From (UK)

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

> Hi Gilligan, I have just looked at your site and read several pages

> and I was thinking, when you said you were working with disabled

> people and you became extremely ill and said that they drained your

> energy, are you sure this is what caused it? I am thinking maybe they

> lived nearer electricity wires or their homes had poor wiring or they

> had devices on that had strong fields. Or another possibility is that

> you had recently been exposed to more fields at home and this built

> up the wealening of you immune system, because i have noticed that I

> often feel worse after I have used my computer than when i am

> actually on it. I am open to your theory as possible but I am not

> totally sure it is possible and is the actual cause.

>

> From (UK)

>

No, I am sure that I am correct about being drained of my energy by

needy people. This is called " psychic vampirism " , and it is usually

not intentional. I was volunteering at a day program for at least a

dozen developmentally disabled people for only four hours at a time.

There was nothing unusual electromagnetically about the building the

day program was located in or the surrounding area. I was very

suceptible to extreme fatigue from having my energy drained by others

because my life force was extremely weak at the time.

See http://www.llewellynjournal.com/article/513

Thanks for your feedback,

Gilligan

[Guest guest]

> Thanks Gilligan, will send it when I have got something ready.

> The interesting trend that I have noticed so far is that of people I

> have

> met or contacted with the severe form of ES, at least 75% (maybe

> more) have

> some sort of severe immune system dysfunction causing ME, multiple

> chemical sensitivity or similar problems. These are often helped by

special

> diets and supplements, but often something more is required. The

remaining

> small proportion appear to have had exposure to very high and

prolonged EMF

> fields, e.g. continued high use of mobile phones and electronic

> equipment

> over many years (maybe early types of mobile were more damaging).

> Ian

Please forgive me for my previous reply to this point, everyone. I

don't know how, but I misunderstood it when I first read it!

Yes, of course, I totally agree with you. Probably most people with

electrical sensitivity are experiencing it along with and as a result

of another serious illness, like MCS, MS, CFS. Many of these other

illnesses weaken the nervous system making the possibility of

developing electrical sensitivity almost inevitable.

I agree that something more than special diets and supplements is

needed for people with serious illnesses like these. I think many of

these diseases are difficult to heal because the life force has become

stagnant. When I was extremely ill from electrical sensitivity, my

life force was stagnant, and it was an awful experience. The EarthCalm

pendant really helped to correct this problem, but I don't think that

will be sufficient to help all people with other serious diseases like

the ones you mention. I really do think Qigong will help tremendously

because it is specifically designed to strongly stimulate the life force.

Gilligan