Re: stellite television provider close to home?

[Guest guest]

I don't think one can generalize but there's not obvious reason such

a building should generate excess magnetic fields... 20 ft is probably

enough, just guessing. Just make sure there are no back haul dishes

on top pointed right at you. And as always there could be cell phone

antennas hidden on top--watch out for smoke stacks with no smoke,

strangely wide lamp posts, funny trees, or almost anything on top that

doesn't look the way all buildings used to look. The movie Public Exposure

shows one example of very well hidden antennas.

Bill

On 9/9/07, yildiz <yildiz22@...> wrote:

>

> Hi all

>

> I am planning to move. I noticed that there was main building of stellite

> television provider at region that I am planning to move. I am highly

> sensitive to magnestic fields. Would you think this region is not fine for

> me? What would be the minimum distance of our homes from such building?

>

> Thanks a lot.

>

> Nil

>

>

[Guest guest]

Longitudinal waves do go right through metal surfaces.

I have found, that at the back of a satellite dish, a bundle of longitudinal

waves may be present there.

(After we dismantled the dish, the problems were gone!)

So, my advice would be, that you look carefully around and see, that no

direct back of a dish is pointing in your direction.

Greetings,

Claessens

member Verband Baubiologie

www.milieuziektes.nl

www.milieuziektes.be

www.hetbitje.nl

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stellite television provider close to home?

> Hi all

>

> I am planning to move. I noticed that there was main building of stellite

> television provider at region that I am planning to move. I am highly

> sensitive to magnestic fields. Would you think this region is not fine for

> me? What would be the minimum distance of our homes from such building?

>

> Thanks a lot.

>

> Nil

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you very much Bill.

That building is quite high. I can not exactly see what is on top but I see many

backhaul dishes looking slightly upwards. Not to direction of where I am

planning to move.

Yes, cell phone antennas are everywhere. I am wondering if it would be safe not

to move to higher places if those antennas are generally placed to higher

places.Could it be that parts of the city which are at lower altitude might be

safer for cell phone antenna problem?

best wishes.

Nil

Re: stellite television provider close to home?

I don't think one can generalize but there's not obvious reason such

a building should generate excess magnetic fields... 20 ft is probably

enough, just guessing. Just make sure there are no back haul dishes

on top pointed right at you. And as always there could be cell phone

antennas hidden on top--watch out for smoke stacks with no smoke,

strangely wide lamp posts, funny trees, or almost anything on top that

doesn't look the way all buildings used to look. The movie Public Exposure

shows one example of very well hidden antennas.

Bill

On 9/9/07, yildiz <yildiz22@...> wrote:

>

> Hi all

>

> I am planning to move. I noticed that there was main building of stellite

> television provider at region that I am planning to move. I am highly

> sensitive to magnestic fields. Would you think this region is not fine for

> me? What would be the minimum distance of our homes from such building?

>

> Thanks a lot.

>

> Nil

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you very much . I understood.

best wishes.

Nil

stellite television provider close to home?

> Hi all

>

> I am planning to move. I noticed that there was main building of stellite

> television provider at region that I am planning to move. I am highly

> sensitive to magnestic fields. Would you think this region is not fine for

> me? What would be the minimum distance of our homes from such building?

>

> Thanks a lot.

>

> Nil

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hello ,

could you please tell us how you detected the longitudinal waves?

Last fortnight I contacted Dr Gruen and Prof Meyl regarding

the longitudinal waves. Dr Gruen said on this list once that

they are blocked by about an inch of water. Prof Meyl has not

given enough info on this. I want to know, can they be blocked

by water if anybody knows, and how do you detect them?

Now I'm not sure everyone will agree with the waves, but if they

do exist and are given off by sharply accelerated radiation in the

khz range from monitors and inverters, heard as annoying squawking

on a radio,

then maybe we could try a 'water jacketed computer', as an additional

layer around our shielded ones.

I am half thinking about taking a shielded

and emissions minimized computer like we have discussed and built

here, and wrapping it completely in a water jacket, as well as

putting springlife polarizers and bioprotects on it. It would be

interesting if this increased current efforts. If water does stop

these

waves if they exist I imagine full encirclement of the computer

running of batteries would be required. Perhaps as a first attempt

a two inch thick, say two panes of glass ultra thin fish tank,

could be put in front of a monitor. This is a bit tricky, so it

would be good to have any info first.

If you have a reliable method of detecting the waves we would

like to know. Also, bundle of long waves at back of satellite

dish, well a CRT screen looks like a satellite dish.

Right now I am stuck in Melbourne having waited for a spectrum

analyzer that did not arrive, very unnaturally sleepy in this flat.

We have had horse flu over here and I have noticed that 5 of 6

of the outbreaks in this country of highly pathogenic animal flu

have initiated in certain proximity to an airport, and in military

cases just off in line with the runway. I have not established

the whereabouts of the sixth outbreak but am aware it is nearby

one of the other 5, and that additionally the same thing seems

to have happened in Abbotsford Canada. I am writing that up.

Also on another topic: there is a fellow over here facing

court in a few weeks. Discretion should be used discussing certain

issues here and I may be contacted off list. A previous effort

to look at some records seems to have run into problems with

individual affected by wifi at record location. I mentioned about

Gugielmo Marconi for those who remember. If a certain record

check were performed to establish more accurately particulars

of his med history and it were shown that it is likely that he

was the first electrosensitive (Arthur Firstenberg tells

me that cases are documented back to the 18th century),

it is my strict opinion that this

information may be mitigating in consideration of a certain vulnerable

individual's legal fate.I am appealling,

and would consider it a great favor, for anyone who has some

Italian language or feels competent with wireless and medical

records, and can check some records at locations in England

and/ or Italy, hopefully in the next 10 days, to contact me. As

well as a certain individual being assisted, we all would. It

can be seen that this individual has had an effect on public

opinion here judging by news reports, and I think he deserves our

support in some respect.

Rowan C

>

> Longitudinal waves do go right through metal surfaces.

>

> I have found, that at the back of a satellite dish, a bundle of

longitudinal

> waves may be present there.

> (After we dismantled the dish, the problems were gone!)

>

> So, my advice would be, that you look carefully around and see,

that no

> direct back of a dish is pointing in your direction.

[Guest guest]

There are not that many people who possess such an amount of meters and

antennas.

And not even I can measure longitudinal waves.

I am in good contact with Dr. Gruen.

At the time of this dish, I read an article where someone pointed out, that

those satellite dishes were surrounded with *clouds of longitudinal waves*.

The *wheatseed water test* of Dr. Gruen showed that longitudinal waves pass

right through shieldings, so also throuigh metallic dishes.

And Dr. Gruen stated, that longitudinal waves, when passing through a

shielding, their information may change from positive into negative, vice

versa.

It is this information on longitudinal waves, where people may react to.

As I mentioned earlier, not to a heavy DECT signal, but to a very weak DECT

signal with heavy reactions.

Taken that all into consideration, and the fact, that I could not measure

anything at all, at this special spot in the room, I dismantled, the dish,

and the earlier adverse complaints were gone.

So, my only conclusion is, that those longitudinal waves were the point.

I have no other explanation.

Of course, we have the signals from the satellites.

Many therapists claim, that they find 24 GHz frequencies in children, coming

from satellites.

But those frequencies are all around, not bundled precisely at the back of a

dish.

And they are only reflected at the front; they do not pass through metal.

What kind of spectrum analyzer are you waiting?

Do you think you know how to handle such a device?

Do you realize how complicated that is?

It takes at least six months to learn.

Courts is something we should avoid.

Nothing can be gained there.

We cannot prove anything in court.

Yes, many people are sick by the elektrosmog, but we cannot prove that.

In Germany many people take blood tests before and after a phone mast is

erected.

The blood changes are very clear and disturbing.

Still, in court it means nothing.

Since the victims do not drop dead instantly, there is no health danger, so

they rule.

The *aussies* are as mean as anywhere else.

See, the radio breast cancer stories at ABC Toowong (www.emfacts.com).

See the story about your Dr. Holt, who told for your television, that

he cures cancer, and that he has done so for the last 30 (=thrirty) years.

The television reports then showed many people, who were sent home in the

1970-ies, because their cancer could not be treated any further, and now

gave proof, of the successfull treatment of the 80 year old dr. Holt,

and that they are still alive, thanks to him.

However, dr. Holt has been harrased by the australian government, and

the Australian Medical Association. like everywhere in the world, where they

want to ban successfull alternative cancer treatments.

Btw. dr Holt does not use mumbo-jumbo, but he injects his patients with

a glucose blocker, and radiates with 424 MHz.

The TV interviews can stiil be seen at www.rifeforum.de

Greetings,

Claessens

member Verband Baubiologie

www.milieuziektes.nl

www.milieuziektes.be

www.hetbitje.nl

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Re: stellite television provider close to home?

> Hello ,

>

> could you please tell us how you detected the longitudinal waves?

> Last fortnight I contacted Dr Gruen and Prof Meyl regarding

> the longitudinal waves. Dr Gruen said on this list once that

> they are blocked by about an inch of water. Prof Meyl has not

> given enough info on this. I want to know, can they be blocked

> by water if anybody knows, and how do you detect them?

>

> Now I'm not sure everyone will agree with the waves, but if they

> do exist and are given off by sharply accelerated radiation in the

> khz range from monitors and inverters, heard as annoying squawking

> on a radio,

> then maybe we could try a 'water jacketed computer', as an additional

> layer around our shielded ones.

> I am half thinking about taking a shielded

> and emissions minimized computer like we have discussed and built

> here, and wrapping it completely in a water jacket, as well as

> putting springlife polarizers and bioprotects on it. It would be

> interesting if this increased current efforts. If water does stop

> these

> waves if they exist I imagine full encirclement of the computer

> running of batteries would be required. Perhaps as a first attempt

> a two inch thick, say two panes of glass ultra thin fish tank,

> could be put in front of a monitor. This is a bit tricky, so it

> would be good to have any info first.

>

> If you have a reliable method of detecting the waves we would

> like to know. Also, bundle of long waves at back of satellite

> dish, well a CRT screen looks like a satellite dish.

>

> Right now I am stuck in Melbourne having waited for a spectrum

> analyzer that did not arrive, very unnaturally sleepy in this flat.

> We have had horse flu over here and I have noticed that 5 of 6

> of the outbreaks in this country of highly pathogenic animal flu

> have initiated in certain proximity to an airport, and in military

> cases just off in line with the runway. I have not established

> the whereabouts of the sixth outbreak but am aware it is nearby

> one of the other 5, and that additionally the same thing seems

> to have happened in Abbotsford Canada. I am writing that up.

>

> Also on another topic: there is a fellow over here facing

> court in a few weeks. Discretion should be used discussing certain

> issues here and I may be contacted off list. A previous effort

> to look at some records seems to have run into problems with

> individual affected by wifi at record location. I mentioned about

> Gugielmo Marconi for those who remember. If a certain record

> check were performed to establish more accurately particulars

> of his med history and it were shown that it is likely that he

> was the first electrosensitive (Arthur Firstenberg tells

> me that cases are documented back to the 18th century),

> it is my strict opinion that this

> information may be mitigating in consideration of a certain vulnerable

> individual's legal fate.I am appealling,

> and would consider it a great favor, for anyone who has some

> Italian language or feels competent with wireless and medical

> records, and can check some records at locations in England

> and/ or Italy, hopefully in the next 10 days, to contact me. As

> well as a certain individual being assisted, we all would. It

> can be seen that this individual has had an effect on public

> opinion here judging by news reports, and I think he deserves our

> support in some respect.

>

> Rowan C

>

>

>>

>> Longitudinal waves do go right through metal surfaces.

>>

>> I have found, that at the back of a satellite dish, a bundle of

> longitudinal

>> waves may be present there.

>> (After we dismantled the dish, the problems were gone!)

>>

>> So, my advice would be, that you look carefully around and see,

> that no

>> direct back of a dish is pointing in your direction.

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hello ,

I didn't mean to upset you. I have been thinking hard about the

longitudinal waves and want to get to the bottom of them,

and any information of value would be important. However my

enquiries of others of details of how water blocks them have

not been answered so I thought I would try here. I note carefully

that electrical engineering and physics is aware of 'longitudinal

section electric and magnetic' waves (from google) travelling

down wires, and see how they could correspond to Pf Meyl's waves.

They would be emitted by the junction between a satellite dish

and its coax cable. I just want any further in the field

details.

As for the situation over here with us, yes our government is

a disgrace. The legal situation I referred to is not a civil suit

but a criminal defense, and I was cryptic in my comments wanting

to be discrete. You mentioned that your phone was tapped. I

recounted some events that happened at my house and two very

conservative friends without prompting seperately stated: 'Your

phone has been tapped'.

I am sure a spectrum analyzer will not be very hard to work out

as I have 2 years of electrical engineering in addition to my

science, withdrawing from the former due to what we now know as

es. I had ordered an Anritsu, but the delivery was delayed and

then I realised it was unstable and wouldn't make it here

in time. So I may try a spectran, as it seems the new

version has dealt with the spurious readings problem. My

current clamp arrived only this afternoon, and I will try to get

it working with my usb audio card in the next few days. I asked about

long waves because I feel we should shortly have the technology

to spot them, and I believe it could be done with very sensitive

clamps and probes. You said you had measured the long waves and

that is why I asked. It is pretty clear that if long waves exist

that one scenario is them being given off by the sharply spiked

non linear signals of DECT phones and modern comms.

In the past week we have a newspaper reporting 'People power up'

and 'Tower of strenth facing phone mast fear', and our leading

newspaper having criticised wifi, and a topical television

advertisement. The individual I mentioned could use some concern

and I won't say any more on that here.

Rowan C.

> >>

> >> Longitudinal waves do go right through metal surfaces.

> >>

> >> I have found, that at the back of a satellite dish, a bundle of

> > longitudinal

> >> waves may be present there.

> >> (After we dismantled the dish, the problems were gone!)

> >>

> >> So, my advice would be, that you look carefully around and see,

> > that no

> >> direct back of a dish is pointing in your direction.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

> I didn't mean to upset you. I have been thinking hard about the

> longitudinal waves and want to get to the bottom of them,

> and any information of value would be important.

Well, you've suggested that you've read about longitudinal

waves by Dr. Gruen, but have you tried Dr. Gruen's proposed

solution -- the BioProtect card?

Also, it has been speculated that some of the other EMF

protection devices on the market (Springlife Polarizers,

Quantum Products, Earthcalm, RA*D*AR card) also work by

altering the longitudinal waves, and certainly have

provided relief for some people here. Certainly this

would be a lot easier than building a water barrier

around a computer!

Marc

[Guest guest]

As I mentioned, there had been some success here with shielded

computers, even though beyond the reach of many. I suggested

using a water jacket in addition to Faraday shielding and bioprotect

and springlife polarizer. I had trouble ordering a bioprotect at

LessEMF and Priggen, and the bank foreign currency transfer was

a bit steep on the direct order, but I am due to order one now,

on top of the 50 other

things and significant investment I have ordered in the past years.

It has been stated by some that 1 inch of water will shield

so called longitudinal waves. While I quite seriously believe

that they may be right and am in favor of this research, let them

put up their evidence. It has

been mentioned with respect to seedlings but I would like to see

other evidence.

If they are correct, I do not see why investigating a water

jacket should not be a more satisfactory solution when coupled

with these other approaches. It is a great deal of effort to

build a water jacket without first collecting evidence. Many members

of this list are far better off than others.

I am trying to solve a problem here.

Rowan C.

>

> > I didn't mean to upset you. I have been thinking hard about the

> > longitudinal waves and want to get to the bottom of them,

> > and any information of value would be important.

>

> Well, you've suggested that you've read about longitudinal

> waves by Dr. Gruen, but have you tried Dr. Gruen's proposed

> solution -- the BioProtect card?

>

> Also, it has been speculated that some of the other EMF

> protection devices on the market (Springlife Polarizers,

> Quantum Products, Earthcalm, RA*D*AR card) also work by

> altering the longitudinal waves, and certainly have

> provided relief for some people here. Certainly this

> would be a lot easier than building a water barrier

> around a computer!

>

> Marc

>

[Guest guest]

> I had trouble ordering a bioprotect at

> LessEMF and Priggen, and the bank foreign currency transfer was

> a bit steep on the direct order

You can buy the Bioprotect Card and Bioprotect Handy at

http://company4you.nl, under the category " Electrosmog " .

I bought this using a credit card, and they shipped it

overseas to the USA.

Marc

[Guest guest]

Thank you Marc, bought, done.

Rowan

>

> > I had trouble ordering a bioprotect at

> > LessEMF and Priggen, and the bank foreign currency transfer was

> > a bit steep on the direct order

>

> You can buy the Bioprotect Card and Bioprotect Handy at

> http://company4you.nl, under the category " Electrosmog " .

> I bought this using a credit card, and they shipped it

> overseas to the USA.

>

> Marc

>

[Guest guest]

Can someone tell me what they mean by longitudinal waves?

What I learned is that Maxwell's equations has wave solutions

that can be in one of two polarizations (or a combination, resulting,

depending on the phase, in circular polarization).

The polarization has no major effect on how far it goes through

metal unless there are lots of slits or something to make it directional.

Now possibly if you're close to the back of the dish a lot can

happen that is not a wave solution but a 'near field effect'.

If you're a few feet away, those are no longer a problem.

There also may be more complicated things in a magnetic media

like steel that I don't know about...?

I do think that if you don't have a meter, finding a house that is

protected in a valley or with little hills around it is more likely

to be OK, provided you don't see any antennas. Being high up

and having nice views is dangerous--they might build a new

antenna you can see...

On 9/12/07, rowster_c <rowanc@...> wrote:

>

> Thank you Marc, bought, done.

>

> Rowan

>

>

> >

> > > I had trouble ordering a bioprotect at

> > > LessEMF and Priggen, and the bank foreign currency transfer was

> > > a bit steep on the direct order

> >

> > You can buy the Bioprotect Card and Bioprotect Handy at

> > http://company4you.nl, under the category " Electrosmog " .

> > I bought this using a credit card, and they shipped it

> > overseas to the USA.

> >

> > Marc

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Can someone tell me what they mean by longitudinal waves?

>

> What I learned is that Maxwell's equations has wave solutions

> that can be in one of two polarizations (or a combination,

resulting,

> depending on the phase, in circular polarization).

>

Hello Bill,

Sorry about delay in answering this, busy packing and

setting up current clamp plus wire breakout accessory

so I can measure Pos neutral earth separately at an

outlet. Answer is in rough form for physics types and

long. Some of it will be wrong and probably full of

inaccurate suppositions.

Modern electrical engineering and electron behaviour

is largely based no Maxwell's equation. When

Maxwell did his work, he didn't use the current

equations, he drew diagrams of hexagons, and models

where the electron moved by vortices, and spun on

ball bearings called idlers. Equations too complicated,

involved quaternions I think.

Equations were too complex. His contemporaries

realised he was right and distilled them down into the

current equations which are held correct, done I think

by Heaviside. Some people claim they are incomplete

however. The vortices were dropped. Some recent

work has been done on non linear Maxwell equations,

not big.

The basic form of the electron wavicle involves

magnetic fields being perpendicular to electric. In the

circular polarised form the electron spins along as

either a helix or a twisted bit of pasta, I can't

remember which- that is either the edge of the twisted

bit of pasta or the surface. There are other models

more accurate. In the E polarised or the H polarised

form, it is squashed flat, moving diagonally side to

side across a plane. Each movement is electron is

made up of a left then a right, like a zigzag shape

when linearly polarised. Or something like the above.

When the waves are given off antennas, they can be

ring vortices, like smoke rings, or a number of other

patterns, all solutions of Maxwell's equation.

Considering superconductors, the vortices, the left

and right halves of each electron movement, become

more important and spiral patterns can be seen. It is

interesting to note that the patterns claimed to be seen

by some dowsers, such as in the book at

http://www.geopathfinder.com , are identical at the

large scale (1 km) on the earth's surface, to the tiny

patterns seen with equipment in a superconductor (1

nm ish)- the vortices come out.

Some people concentrated on the vortices and said

Maxwell's equations weren't good enough, omitting

part of the electron's movement. They said there was

more than just a helix component of 2 halves in each

electron, there was other stuff called the 'scalar' or

longitudinal component. Tesla worked on this after

Maxwell and used the scalar component to transmit

energy wirelessly over significant distances, not using

the rudimentary energy capture method used by some

RFID tags. This tech is being rediscovered , not in the

old fashioned way of RFID tags or electric

toothbrushes I think, which is via near field magnetic

coupling.

Pr Meyl of Germany has been getting stuck in. See

http://www.meyl.eu : He sells expensive kits where

helicopters fly powered by scalars. See written book

and papers all described at his site. He say's he

rewrites Maxwell's equations using Faraday's law to

add extra term. I can't understand equations any more

so I can't check it. Brain is a bit dimmer now.

When an object moves at different speeds in different

media it can go through phase changes to different

movement patterns. Like cigarette smoke curling or

moving as rings. When elec moves down wire it can

switch from helix to 'longitudinal section electric or

magnetic wave', when the wire is next to insulator

and goes through thickness changes and intersections

I think I read. See physics papers.

Meyl, Tesla, etc, claim there is more than just long

section elec. Considering different elec types, pi,

sigma, 2s 2p they are all different forms. Now I

haven't followed this bit yet, but I think Pr Meyl is

saying a longitudinal wave is a neutrino or a solution

to the new they call expanded Maxwell's equations.

Bound to be disagreement I expect. Nevertheless,

there are papers in Physical Review I think discussing

longitudinal section elec waves passing through and

interacting with crystals (quartz?). This might

correlate with the remarks by (when he is in a

good mood) and others of the crystals soaking up

scalar 'energy' and needing to be rested or discharged

or something. There may be something to this new

age crystal stuff. Claims that these scalars aren't

affected by Faraday cage effect.

Not knowing too much I think the scalar equations

might be related to the convection, displacement

current, or vortex motion or something. Some

websites claim scalar detectors that weigh a tonne.

Physicists put in a big effort to detect a handful of

neutrinos.

If we assume that electricity moves in different

patterns at different speeds or rather accelerations,

these scalars might be inclined to pop out under

acceleration or deceleration. Could be wrong but

hazard a guess that whenever electron is accelerated

nonlinearly, or particularly passes through a

SEMICONDUCTOR, and gets dragged at different

rates, maybe it could pump out scalars. This doesn't

violate Einstein's going faster than the speed of light

due to the group velocity phase velocity I think.

Every computer is run on semiconductors. You can

easily see how they are involved with the established

long section elec/mag waves, so why not scalars. So

some people say that it is the scalars and their

'information content' coming from electronic gadgets

that affect electrosensitives, and that the E, H fields

are just a side issue. Others have less faith. But a

number of reports on indicate response to

devices that claim to alter scalars, such as bioprotect,

I think springlife polarizer etc.

Example of semiconductor producing illness is the

dental amalgam probably. I read on an internet

newsgroup that the cause of a few people hearing

radio from their fillings is the 'rusty nail effect' from

EMC. Filling forms a layer of rust on surface, a

semiconductor. Radiation from device hits rusty

filling, produces flow of electron current due to the

voltage ? difference across semiconducting tarnished

surface (demodulation), which further tarnishes

surface, releases nasty chemicals, and they now

suggest also emits 'scalars', like having a scalar

emitter in your head. See 'rusty nail' and

'electromagnetic compatibility'. Not where I saw it

but it is mentioned here:

http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=36

7925 Fillings rusting is more than century old

problem. Might explain why stainless steel hip joints

don't seem to be producing reports of

electrosensitivity because they are not

semiconductors. Thus the models of model implants

are faulty because the don't take into account power

loss when wave hits semiconductor.

It would be good if these scalar device absorber

builders would placebo control blind trial their

devices on 30 people at a time military fashion so we

could more info and then push further with the

research if necessary. So I was thinking if water

absorbs scalars not using a Faraday cage effect it may

be better than just bioprotects alone in front of a

computer screen, and I wish the device builders would

front up a bit more of their info and get things

moving

Prof Meyl's book has it all at his site.

Regards,

Rowan C.