Guest guest Posted February 20, 2006 Report Share Posted February 20, 2006 It depends on what is causing the sensation that you are experiencing: electrcic field? magnetic field? RF/MW? something else? It is easy to shield electric fields with any condutive material, properly grounded. RF and magnetic fields may require a more sophisticated approach. I would suggest that you begin with an appropriate meter and make a diagnosis of what type of field is present, and what is the source. This will permit you to design the proper " treatment " with predictable results. Best regards, Emil DeToffol Less EMF Inc. (www.lessemf.com) tel: +1-518-432-1550 e-mail: lessemf@... floor mats > > ----I wonder if anybody has tried any kind of floor mats that can effectively neutralize ground currents? If so, what kind did you try and did any of them work? Which ones were the best? I have a room with all my satellite receivers inside a faraday cage. Other equipment as well, such as computers, also inside metal boxes up off the floor and grounded. Still, I sense a ground current when walking on the floor of that room. Any other suggestions besides floor mats are welcome. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2006 Report Share Posted February 20, 2006 Thanks for the response. I only have a trifield meter. I placed it on the floor in the area where my feet rest in that room. No readings of any kind. I placed it next to my equipment and I only get high magnetic fields. When I sit at the desk that is in that room where all my equipment, spare computer is at I start to feel a burning in my feet and I instinctively lift them off the floor and put them under me on the chair. I'm not sure where it is coming from, what it is exactly. The receivers in that room pull in signals from all my satellite dishes. There may be some microwave as well as magnetic. The monitor in that room is an LED. I think that is electric field, right? So I may be getting something of all kinds here. Maybe my trifield just can't pick them up. But with everything on in that room I only get magnetic field readings from my equipment. No microwave or electric at all. Still, my feet tell me I'm getting something. If it were magnetic field would it be able to spread across the floor like that? Do they make any products for magnetic fields that you can put on the floor? Thanks. floor mats > > ----I wonder if anybody has tried any kind of floor mats that can effectively neutralize ground currents? If so, what kind did you try and did any of them work? Which ones were the best? I have a room with all my satellite receivers inside a faraday cage. Other equipment as well, such as computers, also inside metal boxes up off the floor and grounded. Still, I sense a ground current when walking on the floor of that room. Any other suggestions besides floor mats are welcome. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2006 Report Share Posted February 20, 2006 OK, if the meter tell you there is no field present, you might want to consider other reasons for the symptoms. Emil floor mats > > > > > > ----I wonder if anybody has tried any kind of floor mats that can > effectively neutralize ground currents? If so, what kind did you try and > did any of them work? Which ones were the best? I have a room with all my > satellite receivers inside a faraday cage. Other equipment as well, such > as computers, also inside metal boxes up off the floor and grounded. Still, > I sense a ground current when walking on the floor of that room. Any other > suggestions besides floor mats are welcome. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2006 Report Share Posted February 21, 2006 Here's the problem: if the meter reads zero, then what type of shielding is appropriate? Electric? Magnetic? RF? On what basis will you choose? And how will you know where to position it? Do you get the symptoms in that room with all the equipment turned off? Do you get the symptoms in that room with all the power in the house turned off? Emil floor mats > > > > > > > > > > ----I wonder if anybody has tried any kind of floor mats that can > > effectively neutralize ground currents? If so, what kind did you try > and > > did any of them work? Which ones were the best? I have a room with all > my > > satellite receivers inside a faraday cage. Other equipment as well, > such > > as computers, also inside metal boxes up off the floor and grounded. > Still, > > I sense a ground current when walking on the floor of that room. Any > other > > suggestions besides floor mats are welcome. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2006 Report Share Posted February 21, 2006 Thanks for the info. But I'll do my own thinking. It is something electrical if it only happens in that room where my equipment is at. If you have a product I'm willing to hear about that. floor mats > > > > > > ----I wonder if anybody has tried any kind of floor mats that can > effectively neutralize ground currents? If so, what kind did you try and > did any of them work? Which ones were the best? I have a room with all my > satellite receivers inside a faraday cage. Other equipment as well, such > as computers, also inside metal boxes up off the floor and grounded. Still, > I sense a ground current when walking on the floor of that room. Any other > suggestions besides floor mats are welcome. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2006 Report Share Posted February 21, 2006 Hey, You may wanna try tachyonized insoles.. Have a feeling they may help a lot of us.. Tachyon seems not all that popular here, but i do feel the various products i have used played an important part in my recovery.. They do not just shield, they help in repairing energetical damage.. (not even listing my site anymore, since people then think oooh she sells it...the addresses are on the main page of e-sens) Love straitguy <straitguy@...> wrote: Thanks for the info. But I'll do my own thinking. It is something electrical if it only happens in that room where my equipment is at. If you have a product I'm willing to hear about that. floor mats > > > > > > ----I wonder if anybody has tried any kind of floor mats that can > effectively neutralize ground currents? If so, what kind did you try and > did any of them work? Which ones were the best? I have a room with all my > satellite receivers inside a faraday cage. Other equipment as well, such > as computers, also inside metal boxes up off the floor and grounded. Still, > I sense a ground current when walking on the floor of that room. Any other > suggestions besides floor mats are welcome. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2006 Report Share Posted February 21, 2006 Hey straitguy, You're right. Even if a typical meter doesn't pick up an EM field in a particular region, that doesn't rule out EM-related causes. I don't know of any purchasable meter that measures the magnetic vector potential (MVP) in an area, but the MVP has been well documented to exert very real EM effects in regions where NO magnetic field exists. It's called the Magnetic Aharonov-Bohm effect and experiments by Osakabe and others proved it in the 80s. (There is an analogous Electric Aharonov-Bohm effect in regions with NO electric field.) In the case of the MVP, it's strength and effect tapers off much more slowly than magnetic fields. So even if a magnetic field isn't near you, its corresponding MVP could affect the electromagnetic situation around you. -Beau > > Thanks for the info. But I'll do my own thinking. It is something electrical if it only happens in that room where my equipment is at. If you have a product I'm willing to hear about that. > Re: floor mats > > > OK, if the meter tell you there is no field present, you might want to > consider other reasons for the symptoms. > > Emil > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2006 Report Share Posted February 22, 2006 What about weak magnetic static (DC) fields ? Greetings, Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Norton Antivirus Re: floor mats > Hey straitguy, > > You're right. Even if a typical meter doesn't pick up an EM field in > a particular region, that doesn't rule out EM-related causes. > > I don't know of any purchasable meter that measures the magnetic > vector potential (MVP) in an area, but the MVP has been well > documented to exert very real EM effects in regions where NO magnetic > field exists. > > It's called the Magnetic Aharonov-Bohm effect and experiments by > Osakabe and others proved it in the 80s. (There is an analogous > Electric Aharonov-Bohm effect in regions with NO electric field.) In > the case of the MVP, it's strength and effect tapers off much more > slowly than magnetic fields. So even if a magnetic field isn't near > you, its corresponding MVP could affect the electromagnetic situation > around you. > > -Beau Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2006 Report Share Posted February 22, 2006 lets not forget about the so called " skin effect " that Shivani details ? - -- In , " Less EMF Inc. " <lessemf@...> wrote: > > Here's the problem: if the meter reads zero, then what type of shielding is > appropriate? Electric? Magnetic? RF? On what basis will you choose? And how > will you know where to position it? > > Do you get the symptoms in that room with all the equipment turned off? > Do you get the symptoms in that room with all the power in the house turned > off? > > Emil > > floor mats > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----I wonder if anybody has tried any kind of floor mats that > can > > > effectively neutralize ground currents? If so, what kind did you > try > > and > > > did any of them work? Which ones were the best? I have a room with > all > > my > > > satellite receivers inside a faraday cage. Other equipment as well, > > such > > > as computers, also inside metal boxes up off the floor and grounded. > > Still, > > > I sense a ground current when walking on the floor of that room. > Any > > other > > > suggestions besides floor mats are welcome. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2006 Report Share Posted February 22, 2006 This is a good point. I would add that any field weaker than the threshold of your meters won't be found by them, so a zero field reading might not be accurate enough to preclude electrosensitivity reactions. An electrosensitive may be more sensitive than the meters or sensitive to field conditions the meters aren't designed to measure (or perhaps can't be measured by any meter, presently). This one of the real difficulties electrosensitives face. You may be encountering one of these situations here, straitguy. As an example, since a TriField meter only displays a time-averaged and frequency-weighted reading, you get meager knowledge about a field's time varying behavior or which frequencies that field is actually comprised of. And DC and low frequency magnetic fields are very hard to shield against. Shielding in this context is actually attenuation not elimination. So it's possible to build a shield that reduces the field below meter sensitivity but not yours. And I don't know of any technique of shielding against the magnetic vector potential. I hope you can find something that works for you so you can be in that space, but if it poses a significant hit to your health limiting your time there may be the only solution until you've found a way to reduce your sensitivity. -Beau > > What about weak magnetic static (DC) fields ? > > Greetings, > Claessens > member Verband Baubiologie > www.milieuziektes.nl > www.milieuziektes.be > www.hetbitje.nl > checked by Norton Antivirus > > > > Re: floor mats > > > > Hey straitguy, > > > > You're right. Even if a typical meter doesn't pick up an EM field in > > a particular region, that doesn't rule out EM-related causes. > > > > I don't know of any purchasable meter that measures the magnetic > > vector potential (MVP) in an area, but the MVP has been well > > documented to exert very real EM effects in regions where NO magnetic > > field exists. > > > > It's called the Magnetic Aharonov-Bohm effect and experiments by > > Osakabe and others proved it in the 80s. (There is an analogous > > Electric Aharonov-Bohm effect in regions with NO electric field.) In > > the case of the MVP, it's strength and effect tapers off much more > > slowly than magnetic fields. So even if a magnetic field isn't near > > you, its corresponding MVP could affect the electromagnetic situation > > around you. > > > > -Beau > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2006 Report Share Posted February 23, 2006 So, you wrote about *two steel I beams under my floor*. They may be probably magnetic (DC), and that may have an enormous impact on electrosensibles. Grounding may help a little bit, but not enough. Only shielding with Mu-metal may help. Or staying as far away as you can. Greetings, Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Norton Antivirus Re: floor mats > > > Here's the problem: if the meter reads zero, then what type of shielding > is > appropriate? Electric? Magnetic? RF? On what basis will you choose? And > how > will you know where to position it? > > Do you get the symptoms in that room with all the equipment turned off? > Do you get the symptoms in that room with all the power in the house > turned > off? > > Emil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2006 Report Share Posted February 23, 2006 My approach is a little different than your perhaps. Maybe not. I don't have any diagnostic tools. I do not have access to doctors. I was very very ill only five or six years ago. And today I am nearly fully recovered. My strategy has been to try everything. And continue to do what works and not do anything that doesn't work or that harms. When I try something I see how it makes me feel. Many times the initial trial will tell me something. The effect may not last. I would like to know what is out there and what they are supposed to do. Whether they are intended to treat magnetic, electric, microwave, whatever. I will try just about anything to experiment with it just to see what it does. I'm not trying to diagnose myself first. If there are floor covers or mats out there I will try them if there is some sort of claim made about them that they help with any one of the electrical problems, whether electrical or magnetic. I have two steel I beams under my floor. I live in a house with aluminum siding. I've grounded the I beams and the siding at different places. I have filters, harmonizers and shielding. The house is very livable now and doesn't make me sick anymore. Yet there are a few things left and the floor in that room is one of them. floor mats > > > > > > > > > > ----I wonder if anybody has tried any kind of floor mats that can > > effectively neutralize ground currents? If so, what kind did you try > and > > did any of them work? Which ones were the best? I have a room with all > my > > satellite receivers inside a faraday cage. Other equipment as well, > such > > as computers, also inside metal boxes up off the floor and grounded. > Still, > > I sense a ground current when walking on the floor of that room. Any > other > > suggestions besides floor mats are welcome. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2006 Report Share Posted February 23, 2006 Thanks for the info. There is no doubt about what you say. It has been pointed out before that the LED tv's give off high frequency fields. All I know is that I can feel something coming from them. Not as much as when I first got them. I've become used to them and I don't notice anymore expecially since I have glare screens and grounded electric screens. My meter reads zero on all three scales. I used to have the same problem in all room of my house that I still have in this one room. I'm thinking it has to be from the receivers. They are nearly all in that one room now. I only pick up magnetic fields but would guess there is probably more than just magnetic fields in that room. Maybe something that I can put on the floor underneath faraday cages and the cords that can be grounded? Re: floor mats > > > > Hey straitguy, > > > > You're right. Even if a typical meter doesn't pick up an EM field in > > a particular region, that doesn't rule out EM-related causes. > > > > I don't know of any purchasable meter that measures the magnetic > > vector potential (MVP) in an area, but the MVP has been well > > documented to exert very real EM effects in regions where NO magnetic > > field exists. > > > > It's called the Magnetic Aharonov-Bohm effect and experiments by > > Osakabe and others proved it in the 80s. (There is an analogous > > Electric Aharonov-Bohm effect in regions with NO electric field.) In > > the case of the MVP, it's strength and effect tapers off much more > > slowly than magnetic fields. So even if a magnetic field isn't near > > you, its corresponding MVP could affect the electromagnetic situation > > around you. > > > > -Beau > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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