Re: cell phone towers

[Guest guest]

Time to purchase Some books, meters and EMF mitigation products for christmas

presents for yourself..

The two main suppliers in North America are :

http://www.safelivingtechnologies.ca/ Canada

http://www.lessemf.com/index.html USA

There are many excellent books that would also make great gifts.

Here are some that you may want to consider:

More Silent Fields - Donna Fisher

Dirty Electricity - Milham

Zapped - Ann Louise Gittleman

Disconnect - Devra

Living Safely with EMF - Jim Waugh

The Sick House Survival Guide - Hobbs

Cell Phones - Dr. Carlo

Radiation Rescue - K Crofton

The Electrical Sensitivity Handbook - Lucinda Grant

Electromagnetic Fields - B. Blake Levitt

Body Electric - Becker

The Great Power Line Cover Up - Brodeur

The Powerwatch Handbook - Alasdair and Philips

Would You Put Your Head in a Microwave Oven - Gerald Goldberg

On 2010-12-14, at 6:40 PM, Rixta Francis wrote:

> Yesterday I walked into a mobile phone shop to ask where the phone

> towers are located in this city. I had assumed correctly that there

> aren't any in the central city (where we live), but they are located in

> the suburbs around us.

> So the good news is that our house isn't very close to a tower. But then

> I started wondering if this might mean that we get radiation from all

> the towers in the surrounding suburbs, as most of them probably can

> reach us. So instead of one load of heavy radiation we might get

> multiple loads of lower radiation?

> Does this make any sense or am I completely wrong here? I understand so

> little of all these waves and radiation things, so a bit of help would

> be appreciated.

>

> I feel like I have this 1500 pieces jigsaw puzzle named EMS and I try to

> get more and more pieces together trying to get a clear picture. So far

> I might have only 100-200 pieces and I need a lot more to get an idea of

> the picture.

>

> Rixta

>

[Guest guest]

> The Electrical Sensitivity Handbook - Lucinda Grant

By the way, I hear that Lucinda has recovered quite a bit

from her ES. What worked for her? Prayer (!)

Marc

[Guest guest]

When it's in all directions it's harder to shield.

And I would not trust what the people told you either.

The city or county government may have a map of towers but

they probably consider it intellectual property, but might let you

look if you don't need to copy it. Here we have antennsearch.com.

There's also an FCC database. But a lot of towers are not even

registered.

On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 4:40 PM, Rixta Francis <rixta.francis@...

> wrote:

>

>

> Yesterday I walked into a mobile phone shop to ask where the phone

> towers are located in this city. I had assumed correctly that there

> aren't any in the central city (where we live), but they are located in

> the suburbs around us.

> So the good news is that our house isn't very close to a tower. But then

> I started wondering if this might mean that we get radiation from all

> the towers in the surrounding suburbs, as most of them probably can

> reach us. So instead of one load of heavy radiation we might get

> multiple loads of lower radiation?

> Does this make any sense or am I completely wrong here? I understand so

> little of all these waves and radiation things, so a bit of help would

> be appreciated.

>

> I feel like I have this 1500 pieces jigsaw puzzle named EMS and I try to

> get more and more pieces together trying to get a clear picture. So far

> I might have only 100-200 pieces and I need a lot more to get an idea of

> the picture.

>

> Rixta

>

>

[Guest guest]

Rixta Francis wrote:

> I started wondering if this might mean that we get radiation from all

> the towers in the surrounding suburbs, as most of them probably can

> reach us. So instead of one load of heavy radiation we might get

> multiple loads of lower radiation?

>

Correct.

One close transmitter (tower) gives a large dose.

The farther away the towers, the lower the signal strength.

One other thing, is the farther away the tower, the louder the cel-phone

in a " rural " area needs to shout to be heard.

So measuring cel phones in the urban environment where a tower is

nearby, results in lower signal strength from the phone, and longer

battery life.

Unfortunately, in the urban environment, there are usually thousands of

others transmitting, thereby negating any benefit from the lower

individual transmitters.

> Does this make any sense or am I completely wrong here?

You're doing ok.

> I understand so little of all these waves and radiation things, so a bit of

help would

> be appreciated.

>

>

Questions are good. Hope my answers are clear.

Another way to think of the waves, is to think of it as sound waves.

When the neighbor's kid has a very loud boombox, and you go inside your

house and close the windows, you can still hear his " music " , but the

volume is lower.

With a clear line of sight, you can still hear that boombox a mile away,

but step behind a hill, and it is gone. Unless it bounces off the side

of other buildings or valley walls, then you get an echo.

Ever heard a rifle shot during hunting season? You can pinpoint where

the hunter is by the direction and timing of the echos, when surrounded

by hills of course.

> I feel like I have this 1500 pieces jigsaw puzzle named EMS and I try to

> get more and more pieces together trying to get a clear picture. So far

> I might have only 100-200 pieces and I need a lot more to get an idea of

> the picture.

>

Learning is fun. Too bad the subject matter is depressing.

[Guest guest]

Hi, Marc,

 

If Lucinda Grant wrote a book that is mainly about emf remediation, maybe she

prayed and heard back from God!    Seriously, consider what the contents of

the book says before making any judgments.  I have prayed and gotten some good

info!  Definitely not proveably from God, but I woke up the next day with some

good ideas floating around in my head, tried them, and they worked! 

 

I often find a great deal of helpful info in spurts--alot at one time--a week or

two after praying (for more help or helpful information for my or my family's

health needs).  In the past week, I have gotten at least a dozen new leads on

things to try out or work on.  It is an inexhaustable supply.  Sometimes I

get these new leads from ES or otherwise ill friends who are also searching

for answers but are too exhausted in the search to actually try them, or who are

excited about their finds and want to share.  Snoshoe sent me an

easy alzheimer therapy to try for my Dad a few days ago.  Another friend

here sent me 2 books with gobs of great info last week.  Who can say these

aren't the answers to prayer?  We sometimes get weary in searching, but the

answers are out there; we just need to find them. 

 

My 2 cents on prayer as an ES remediation help,

Diane

 

From: Marc <marc@...>

Subject: Re: cell phone towers

Date: Tuesday, December 14, 2010, 7:44 PM

 

> The Electrical Sensitivity Handbook - Lucinda Grant

By the way, I hear that Lucinda has recovered quite a bit

from her ES. What worked for her? Prayer (!)

Marc

[Guest guest]

I don't have many funds to spend right now. 

Will Lucinda's book help a spouse understand this & help us fix what we can?

Learn about wiring, not to fix ourselves of course, but educate?

I know we have to avoid cells, watch out where towers are,  buy GS for the

plugs & computer shielding. Our budget's not good right now.

I'm not spending much time on the computer these days to learn.

Thanks for advice,  Kathy

-

From: Evie <evie15422@...>

Subject: Re: cell phone towers

Date: Wednesday, December 15, 2010, 11:23 AM

 

Hi, Marc,

 

If Lucinda Grant wrote a book that is mainly about emf remediation, maybe she

prayed and heard back from God!    Seriously, consider what the contents of

the book says before making any judgments.  I have prayed and gotten some good

info!  Definitely not proveably from God, but I woke up the next day with some

good ideas floating around in my head, tried them, and they worked! 

 

I often find a great deal of helpful info in spurts--alot at one time--a week or

two after praying (for more help or helpful information for my or my family's

health needs).  In the past week, I have gotten at least a dozen new leads on

things to try out or work on.  It is an inexhaustable supply.  Sometimes I

get these new leads from ES or otherwise ill friends who are also searching

for answers but are too exhausted in the search to actually try them, or who are

excited about their finds and want to share.  Snoshoe sent me an

easy alzheimer therapy to try for my Dad a few days ago.  Another friend

here sent me 2 books with gobs of great info last week.  Who can say these

aren't the answers to prayer?  We sometimes get weary in searching, but the

answers are out there; we just need to find them. 

 

My 2 cents on prayer as an ES remediation help,

Diane

 

From: Marc <marc@...>

Subject: Re: cell phone towers

Date: Tuesday, December 14, 2010, 7:44 PM

 

> The Electrical Sensitivity Handbook - Lucinda Grant

By the way, I hear that Lucinda has recovered quite a bit

from her ES. What worked for her? Prayer (!)

Marc

[Guest guest]

> If Lucinda Grant wrote a book that is mainly about emf remediation, maybe

> she prayed and heard back from God!    Seriously, consider what the

> contents of the book says before making any judgments.

I should clarify - Lucinda wrote that book many years ago, and she was

suffering at the time. Her recovery is much more recent, so there is

nothing in her book that has anything to do with her recovery.

Marc

[Guest guest]

Marc,

What top 1 or 2 books you you or anyone else recommend to educate & recover?

Kathy

From: Marc <marc@...>

Subject: Re: cell phone towers

Date: Wednesday, December 15, 2010, 11:46 AM

 

> If Lucinda Grant wrote a book that is mainly about emf remediation,

maybe

> she prayed and heard back from God!    Seriously, consider what the

> contents of the book says before making any judgments.

I should clarify - Lucinda wrote that book many years ago, and she was

suffering at the time. Her recovery is much more recent, so there is

nothing in her book that has anything to do with her recovery.

Marc

[Guest guest]

> What top 1 or 2 books you you or anyone else recommend to educate &

> recover?

Hmmm, I don't have any specific book recommendations... anyone else?

Marc

[Guest guest]

> Unfortunately, in the urban environment, there are usually thousands of

> others transmitting, thereby negating any benefit from the lower

> individual transmitters.

I hadn't thought about that, but it fits with something else I found

out. A few days ago I went to the K-Mart with my electrosmog meter. It

was busier than normal, but not extremely busy yet. Still my meter went

up quite a bit, at one moment even into the red field! This can only be

explained by the high number of cell phones that are turned on in a

small area. I was wondering if that would make a difference and

obviously it does. This was pretty extreme, but if everyone in the

street has their cell phones on (not such a weird idea) that could also

have an influence. Not as strong as inside the K-Mart, but enough to

make me sick. Thanks for another piece of the puzzle!

Rixta

[Guest guest]

Thanks Marc.

From: Marc <marc@...>

Subject: Re: cell phone towers

Date: Wednesday, December 15, 2010, 12:46 PM

 

> If Lucinda Grant wrote a book that is mainly about emf remediation, maybe

> she prayed and heard back from God!    Seriously, consider what the

> contents of the book says before making any judgments.

I should clarify - Lucinda wrote that book many years ago, and she was

suffering at the time. Her recovery is much more recent, so there is

nothing in her book that has anything to do with her recovery.

Marc

[Guest guest]

I have book recommendations but they are not about ES.  Dr Tennant's books

( " Healing Is Voltage " ), " Energy Medicine " , by Donna Eden; " Cure for All

Diseases " , by Hulda , books on water by ?Muri? Emoto.... 

From: Marc <marc@...>

Subject: Re: cell phone towers

Date: Wednesday, December 15, 2010, 2:25 PM

 

> What top 1 or 2 books you you or anyone else recommend to educate &

> recover?

Hmmm, I don't have any specific book recommendations... anyone else?

Marc

[Guest guest]

Hi, Rixta,

 

I once went to a Theresa Heinz conference on " TILT " (Toxin Induced Lack of

Tolerance), the same thing as MCS but with a catchier name.  There were over

300 people present and I was one of the only people there without a cell

phone.  Since the conference was about educating people about environmental

intolerance, people were told before coming not to wear and perfumes and

deodorants.  As the conference started, the first speaker asked, in deference

to anyone present with electro-magnetic sensitivity (I was probably the only

one), everyone turn off their phones.  I was already feeling quite ill, but

when everyone simultaneously turned off their phones, I thought I would die. 

It took me 4 hours to recover enough to get thru the rest of the conference.

 

Diane

From: Rixta Francis <rixta.francis@...>

Subject: Re: cell phone towers

Date: Wednesday, December 15, 2010, 2:36 PM

 

> Unfortunately, in the urban environment, there are usually thousands of

> others transmitting, thereby negating any benefit from the lower

> individual transmitters.

I hadn't thought about that, but it fits with something else I found

out. A few days ago I went to the K-Mart with my electrosmog meter. It

was busier than normal, but not extremely busy yet. Still my meter went

up quite a bit, at one moment even into the red field! This can only be

explained by the high number of cell phones that are turned on in a

small area. I was wondering if that would make a difference and

obviously it does. This was pretty extreme, but if everyone in the

street has their cell phones on (not such a weird idea) that could also

have an influence. Not as strong as inside the K-Mart, but enough to

make me sick. Thanks for another piece of the puzzle!

Rixta

[Guest guest]

I bought window sheilding & blocking paint from Saveliving. Loni

> Yesterday I walked into a mobile phone shop to ask where the phone

> towers are located in this city. I had assumed correctly that there

> aren't any in the central city (where we live), but they are located in

> the suburbs around us.

> So the good news is that our house isn't very close to a tower. But then

> I started wondering if this might mean that we get radiation from all

> the towers in the surrounding suburbs, as most of them probably can

> reach us. So instead of one load of heavy radiation we might get

> multiple loads of lower radiation?

> Does this make any sense or am I completely wrong here? I understand so

> little of all these waves and radiation things, so a bit of help would

> be appreciated.

>

> I feel like I have this 1500 pieces jigsaw puzzle named EMS and I try to

> get more and more pieces together trying to get a clear picture. So far

> I might have only 100-200 pieces and I need a lot more to get an idea of

> the picture.

>

> Rixta

>

[Guest guest]

Are you saying there is a difference in what the antennas do on the towers or

just about distance & strength difference?  Loni

> I started wondering if this might mean that we get radiation from all

> the towers in the surrounding suburbs, as most of them probably can

> reach us. So instead of one load of heavy radiation we might get

> multiple loads of lower radiation?

>

Correct.

One close transmitter (tower) gives a large dose.

The farther away the towers, the lower the signal strength.

One other thing, is the farther away the tower, the louder the cel-phone

in a " rural " area needs to shout to be heard.

So measuring cel phones in the urban environment where a tower is

nearby, results in lower signal strength from the phone, and longer

battery life.

Unfortunately, in the urban environment, there are usually thousands of

others transmitting, thereby negating any benefit from the lower

individual transmitters.

> Does this make any sense or am I completely wrong here?

You're doing ok.

> I understand so little of all these waves and radiation things, so a bit of

help would

> be appreciated.

>

>

Questions are good. Hope my answers are clear.

Another way to think of the waves, is to think of it as sound waves.

When the neighbor's kid has a very loud boombox, and you go inside your

house and close the windows, you can still hear his " music " , but the

volume is lower.

With a clear line of sight, you can still hear that boombox a mile away,

but step behind a hill, and it is gone. Unless it bounces off the side

of other buildings or valley walls, then you get an echo.

Ever heard a rifle shot during hunting season? You can pinpoint where

the hunter is by the direction and timing of the echos, when surrounded

by hills of course.

> I feel like I have this 1500 pieces jigsaw puzzle named EMS and I try to

> get more and more pieces together trying to get a clear picture. So far

> I might have only 100-200 pieces and I need a lot more to get an idea of

> the picture.

>

Learning is fun. Too bad the subject matter is depressing.

[Guest guest]

Hi,

Evie wrote:

> As the conference started, the first speaker asked, in deference to anyone

present with electro-magnetic sensitivity (I was probably the only one),

everyone turn off their phones. I was already feeling quite ill, but when

everyone simultaneously turned off their phones, I thought I would die.

>

Unfortunately, when the airplane mode is switched on, the cel phone

makes a call to the tower to tell it it is no longer at this address.

DUH!

So asking people to turn off their phone, results in just the opposite

for a few seconds.

[Guest guest]

Loni wrote:

> Are you saying there is a difference in what the antennas do on the towers or

just about distance & strength difference? Loni

>

I am not sure how much the towers vary their output depending on the

distance of the remote cel-phone. That will need an engineer closer to

the technology to answer. As far as I'm concerned, they are always

" shouting. "

To the second half of your question, if I understand you correctly, the

answer is no. I had two things in mind:

For the tower side, it is more important to increase your distance, to

get the strength lower.

For the cel-phone side, when the tower is farther away, the cel-phone

must increase it's transmitting power to be heard. So it becomes just as

important to have fewer cel-phones around you.

[Guest guest]

Tennant's book " Healing is Voltage " is really good imo on a lot of different

health topics...

http://www.amazon.com/Healing-Voltage-NDM-Jerry-Tennant/dp/1453649166

>

> > What top 1 or 2 books you you or anyone else recommend to educate &

> > recover?

>

> Hmmm, I don't have any specific book recommendations... anyone else?

>

> Marc

>

[Guest guest]

Ohhhhhhh thanks ; that's interesting!  Loni

> Are you saying there is a difference in what the antennas do on the towers or

just about distance & strength difference? Loni

>

I am not sure how much the towers vary their output depending on the

distance of the remote cel-phone. That will need an engineer closer to

the technology to answer. As far as I'm concerned, they are always

" shouting. "

To the second half of your question, if I understand you correctly, the

answer is no. I had two things in mind:

For the tower side, it is more important to increase your distance, to

get the strength lower.

For the cel-phone side, when the tower is farther away, the cel-phone

must increase it's transmitting power to be heard. So it becomes just as

important to have fewer cel-phones around you.

[Guest guest]

Hi, and Loni,

 

Thanks for all the info you have been sharing on this thread, .  I had

not realized that cell phone strength increased the further away you are from

the tower.  I do not use a cell phone, but that does explain some reactions

I've experienced with others' phones.

 

Loni, in our area, towers are all different strengths (I live in a mostly

mountainous area).  We have one that seems to be a WiMax--way stronger than all

the rest; It radiates from a high mountain-side for great distances; I avoid

even going in that vacinity.  Then, depending on topography, other towers are

lesser intensity, but vary a great deal in strengths.  Also, when it is

particularly rainy or snowy, the emfs on all the towers are increased, as

well.  Also I think you are asking whether some towers put out different types

of frequencies than other towers?  This seems the case here also.  Not all

towers are strictly cell towers. 

 

So at our house, we have one tower out the side window of our livingroom

about 2 miles away.  I can barely feel it.  But we have another tower (not

the WiMax) out our back diningroom patio doors which is, I think, 3 1/2 miles

away (nearly twice as far), but it feels twice the strength of the closer one

inside our house.  (I would love to own a rocket launcher--it would be dead

meat!  lol)  Instead I am busy adding pine trees at the back of our

property.  A new tower is also being erected in that same vacinity, so I hope

it is not going to be as strong!  In the summer, trees help shield the towers

alot, but in winter, I have to use emf shielding fabric to line drapes.  (I

velcro it to the tops of the drapes.)

 

Diane

> Are you saying there is a difference in what the antennas do on the towers or

just about distance & strength difference? Loni

>

I am not sure how much the towers vary their output depending on the

distance of the remote cel-phone. That will need an engineer closer to

the technology to answer. As far as I'm concerned, they are always

" shouting. "

To the second half of your question, if I understand you correctly, the

answer is no. I had two things in mind:

For the tower side, it is more important to increase your distance, to

get the strength lower.

For the cel-phone side, when the tower is farther away, the cel-phone

must increase it's transmitting power to be heard. So it becomes just as

important to have fewer cel-phones around you.

[Guest guest]

Hi Diane!

 

Thanks for that info! So how do I find out if there is a Wimax antenna near by?

 

I wish my towers were miles away not that any of it's good. I've got the

antennas at the High School not even a quarter of a mile away & then the tower

at the library which is about a half a mile away. Then there are several all

around me all directions.

 

I can see the antennas out my back window that are very close & I, too, like you

have put up trees to block some of it. Taking too darn long to grow however.

 

I would like to know the strength of the antennas. With the addition of smart

meters I just need to get the hell outa dodge! 

 

Loni

 

 

 

 

> Are you saying there is a difference in what the antennas do on the towers or

just about distance & strength difference? Loni

>

I am not sure how much the towers vary their output depending on the

distance of the remote cel-phone. That will need an engineer closer to

the technology to answer. As far as I'm concerned, they are always

" shouting. "

To the second half of your question, if I understand you correctly, the

answer is no. I had two things in mind:

For the tower side, it is more important to increase your distance, to

get the strength lower.

For the cel-phone side, when the tower is farther away, the cel-phone

must increase it's transmitting power to be heard. So it becomes just as

important to have fewer cel-phones around you.

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

 

Bless your heart. You had me lmao with this one.  I came down with this EHS

about 3 years ago between having gotten a knew cell phone that year (the ungodly

i195v Motorola- CNET listed as the number 1 worst SAR rated phone --

discontinued at the time when I bought it.  It was my first phone) and then

moving to Newark NJ that December.  I began feeling cell towers first, then

WIFI, then other people's phones.  I had always felt the radiating of my phone,

but didn't equate the feeling with any type of potential health threat.  I

spent many hours on that phone. What a mistake that was!!!

 

But I had to laugh, because I know exactly how you feel when people turn off

their phones for me (it's ghastly- even though they mean well.  I can only

imagine your scenario that day.  Thanks for sharing.  If you don't mind me

asking, how old are you?  Feel free to give a range it that's more comfortable.

I had read that mostly middle-aged women are susceptible to EHS.

> As the conference started, the first speaker asked, in deference to anyone

present with electro-magnetic sensitivity (I was probably the only one),

everyone turn off their phones. I was already feeling quite ill, but when

everyone simultaneously turned off their phones, I thought I would die.

>

Unfortunately, when the airplane mode is switched on, the cel phone

makes a call to the tower to tell it it is no longer at this address.

DUH!

So asking people to turn off their phone, results in just the opposite

for a few seconds.

[Guest guest]

Dear Fellow 3 year ES sufferer! Im amazed how many people came down with ES

three years ago! Do we blame this on 3G? im from the UK and yes a great deal of

middle aged women seem to be effected. Im a middle aged man! So im a sensitive

guy!!!

Anyway if you haven't seen this website below already, i found it very helpful

to read other peoples advise and stories on their road to recovery, or just

understanding ES

ES-UK.info

Good Luck

Giles 40 something! UK

> As the conference started, the first speaker asked, in deference to anyone

present with electro-magnetic sensitivity (I was probably the only one),

everyone turn off their phones. I was already feeling quite ill, but when

everyone simultaneously turned off their phones, I thought I would die.

>

Unfortunately, when the airplane mode is switched on, the cel phone

makes a call to the tower to tell it it is no longer at this address.

DUH!

So asking people to turn off their phone, results in just the opposite

for a few seconds.

[Guest guest]

Hi Pamela,

> I spent many hours on that phone. What a mistake that was!!!

>

I nod solemnly.

> But I had to laugh, because I know exactly how you feel when people turn off

their phones for me (it's ghastly- even though they mean well. I can only

imagine your scenario that day.

Laughter is good medicine.

That reminds me of when in 1997 staying at a farm, something happened

and I laughed for what must've been the first time in years since the

24/7 pain started, because the farm owners where I was staying remarked

she had never heard me laugh.

Regarding that day with the phone, yes it caused me pain, and so I

became determined to find out what that i-phone he turned off actually

did. Now with the Acoustimeter, I can hear or record the signals it

sends when going into airplane mode. Quite useful.

> Thanks for sharing. If you don't mind me asking, how old are you?

>

42

That isn't a secret, as I have given enough clues here over the years on

this board, and on my webpages.

Neither do I have a credit score worth stealing.

[Guest guest]

Thanks .  I am just familiarizing myself with this site.  I did notice

later that you said the experience was from Evie. Have you suffered your entire

life? How did you get sick?  Do you know Arthur Firstenberg? I know that he's

been sick for over 30 years.  Did you have pre-existing conditions when you

came down with EHS? Are you in the US? Sorry for all the questions, I have so

many.  You said you have a website.  What is your link?  Thanks in advance, I

really appreciate it.  Do you know many men with this condition?  Oh and don't

even begin to mention credit rating, brother. I hope to bring laughter. Peace.

Also,feel free to bombard me with questions if you want to.

 

 12/20/10, S son <sandreas41@...> wrote:

From: S son <sandreas41@...>

Subject: Re: cell phone towers

Date: Monday, December 20, 2010, 2:10 PM

 

Hi Pamela,

> I spent many hours on that phone. What a mistake that was!!!

>

I nod solemnly.

> But I had to laugh, because I know exactly how you feel when people turn off

their phones for me (it's ghastly- even though they mean well. I can only

imagine your scenario that day.

Laughter is good medicine.

That reminds me of when in 1997 staying at a farm, something happened

and I laughed for what must've been the first time in years since the

24/7 pain started, because the farm owners where I was staying remarked

she had never heard me laugh.

Regarding that day with the phone, yes it caused me pain, and so I

became determined to find out what that i-phone he turned off actually

did. Now with the Acoustimeter, I can hear or record the signals it

sends when going into airplane mode. Quite useful.

> Thanks for sharing. If you don't mind me asking, how old are you?

>

42

That isn't a secret, as I have given enough clues here over the years on

this board, and on my webpages.

Neither do I have a credit score worth stealing.