Guest guest Posted April 8, 2010 Report Share Posted April 8, 2010 Hi Loni, Liver metabolic pathways (detox) consist of Phase I and Phase II. Lots of people with MCS and ES seem to have problems with one or more of the Phase II pathways being missing or broken. But problems with Phase I could give similar symptoms. It might be worth trying giving up grapefruit for a period and see what effect it has. Of course, you might feel worse for a time if the detox which had previously been inhibited starts going. But if it then helps to clear some accumulated grot out of your system it could be very useful! Sue's MCS and ES have got a lot better by treating the Phase II pathways (and gut disease), but in conjunction with this she avoids grapefruit completely. As Marc mentions, some drugs are detoxified by Phase I and have specific warnings on the packet " do not take with grapefruit " . Ian _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Loni Sent: 07 April 2010 19:53 Subject: Re: Filter comparison II Hmmm, I love & eat grapefruit all the time. What do you mean it stops the Phase I. For how long & how? Never heard that before. I have problems with the liver. Loni From: Marc <marcufoseries (DOT) <mailto:marc%40ufoseries.com> com> Subject: Re: Filter comparison II groups (DOT) <mailto:%40> com Date: Wednesday, April 7, 2010, 11:42 AM > I did not understand this post at all Diane? Is grapefruit bad or good? Grapefruit stops liver phase I activity, which has a nice side effect of stopping detox and making you feel better. But of course, since the goal is the *eventually* detox, you should not take it all the time. I think this also applies to Grapefruit Seed Extract (GSE). At least, a few drops of this can often make me feel better. But maybe that is the anti-fungal/ bacterial/ virus properties (?) Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2010 Report Share Posted April 8, 2010 Hi Ian,  I agree with you on the liver pathways being the big picture in not dealing with pollution. A liver test that measures enzymes & a protein is not an effective test for liver function.  What did Sue take for improving Phase II?  I don't really eat grapefruit all the time. Twice a week I guess. Don't think I'll be doing that much anymore.  Loni From: Marc <marcufoseries (DOT) <mailto:marc% 40ufoseries. com> com> Subject: Re: Filter comparison II groups (DOT) <mailto:% 40groups. com> com Date: Wednesday, April 7, 2010, 11:42 AM > I did not understand this post at all Diane? Is grapefruit bad or good? Grapefruit stops liver phase I activity, which has a nice side effect of stopping detox and making you feel better. But of course, since the goal is the *eventually* detox, you should not take it all the time. I think this also applies to Grapefruit Seed Extract (GSE). At least, a few drops of this can often make me feel better. But maybe that is the anti-fungal/ bacterial/ virus properties (?) Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2010 Report Share Posted April 9, 2010 Hi Loni, We didn't find supplements etc were enough to deal with Sue's problems. We had tests which showed her sulphate and glutathione were very low (a later genetic test showed the gene for the latter was missing). So intravenous infusions of glutathione and magnesium sulphate, plus injections and baths of the latter to top up, were needed, as she had leaky gut too - big vicious circle. It took a couple of years of gradual treatment (expensive) and she is now a lot better, but has plateau'd. On grapefruit - it may or may not be a problem for you, but worth trying out avoiding it to see if it makes a difference. Twice a week doesn't sound so bad, I thought it sounded as if you had it virtually daily. (Ironically, I do, but I'm fortunate enough to be in good health). Ian _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Loni Sent: 09 April 2010 03:40 Subject: RE: Grapefruit and detox Hi Ian, I agree with you on the liver pathways being the big picture in not dealing with pollution. A liver test that measures enzymes & a protein is not an effective test for liver function. What did Sue take for improving Phase II? I don't really eat grapefruit all the time. Twice a week I guess. Don't think I'll be doing that much anymore. Loni From: Marc <marcufoseries (DOT) <mailto:marc% 40ufoseries. com> com> Subject: Re: Filter comparison II groups (DOT) <mailto:% 40groups. com> com Date: Wednesday, April 7, 2010, 11:42 AM > I did not understand this post at all Diane? Is grapefruit bad or good? Grapefruit stops liver phase I activity, which has a nice side effect of stopping detox and making you feel better. But of course, since the goal is the *eventually* detox, you should not take it all the time. I think this also applies to Grapefruit Seed Extract (GSE). At least, a few drops of this can often make me feel better. But maybe that is the anti-fungal/ bacterial/ virus properties (?) Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2010 Report Share Posted April 9, 2010 PUK replies - Just lately I am not right in the loo department, I have gas problems and cant seem to produce a healthy stool ie, gooey, is this common in essers ? perhaps I simply need more fibre In a message dated 09/04/2010 23:06:11 GMT Daylight Time, ianandsue.kemp@... writes: On grapefruit - it may or may not be a problem for you, but worth trying out avoiding it to see if it makes a difference. Twice a week doesn't sound so bad, I thought it sounded as if you had it virtually daily. (Ironically, I do, but I'm fortunate enough to be in good health). Ian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2010 Report Share Posted April 10, 2010 Try magnesium & lots of vitamin C. 5,000 mg spread throughout the day. I suffered all my life & seems to be the key. Oh yes & Fish Oil too! Loni From: paulpjc@... <paulpjc@...> Subject: Re: Grapefruit and detox Date: Saturday, April 10, 2010, 2:52 AM  PUK replies - Just lately I am not right in the loo department, I have gas problems and cant seem to produce a healthy stool ie, gooey, is this common in essers ? perhaps I simply need more fibre In a message dated 09/04/2010 23:06:11 GMT Daylight Time, ianandsue.kemp@ ukgateway. net writes: On grapefruit - it may or may not be a problem for you, but worth trying out avoiding it to see if it makes a difference. Twice a week doesn't sound so bad, I thought it sounded as if you had it virtually daily. (Ironically, I do, but I'm fortunate enough to be in good health). Ian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2010 Report Share Posted April 11, 2010 Yes, more fiber. Less chocolate.  lol  Be well (ps, the chocolate pertains to me; just thought I'd share my guilt), Diane From: paulpjc@... <paulpjc@...> Subject: Re: Grapefruit and detox Date: Saturday, April 10, 2010, 5:52 AM  PUK replies - Just lately I am not right in the loo department, I have gas problems and cant seem to produce a healthy stool ie, gooey, is this common in essers ? perhaps I simply need more fibre In a message dated 09/04/2010 23:06:11 GMT Daylight Time, ianandsue.kemp@ ukgateway. net writes: On grapefruit - it may or may not be a problem for you, but worth trying out avoiding it to see if it makes a difference. Twice a week doesn't sound so bad, I thought it sounded as if you had it virtually daily. (Ironically, I do, but I'm fortunate enough to be in good health). Ian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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