Guest guest Posted March 17, 2009 Report Share Posted March 17, 2009 HalloI, from my resarch through elekctroacupuncture I came across some phenomena that can explain this lingering effect after removing an electromsog neutralizing device. In the vicinity of a mobile station not only the people ar affected but also all material is infected with that biological negative vibration from electrosmog. I could measure this taking leaves and fruits from trees in the vicinity of mobile stations and also earth and stones and rain water. They are neagtively charged depending on the distance from this station. Now, if you install an electrosmog neutralizing device at this mobile station, this negative charge disappears within minutes and turns positve. If you then remove the neutralizing device, the positive charge remains sometimes for months in the fruits due to their water content, and much shorter in the lime stones in the ground. If you take such an apple home, fix it to your mobile phone and put it on, it will do no harm to you. It means this apple has in its water strucure an information that in itself is electrosmog neutralizing. You may beleave it or not. I have used this phenomenon creatively in other applications that seem to look quite different, with success. Clearly this can not be explained by the physics of radiowaves as it is thought today. And so most people will disagree. It can on the other side very well be explained through the existence of scalar waves or Tesla waves and their specific qualities. But for the general public and science today these waves do not exist. And therefore we continue to search for an solution of the electromsog problem. dietrich gruen n einer eMail vom 09.03.2009 21:24:15 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt marc@...: > Interesting, too. I am not sure I understand this whole line of info, > tho--are these fields different frequencies, on a continuing spectrum of > frequencies? Or are they different entities--for lack of a better > term--altogether? Are they not measurable because they are not > frequencies, or is it that meters do not yet exist which measure them? I don't really know. I've tried reading stuff online about Quantum Physics / Quantum Mechanics, Quantum Coherence, but I never get very far... But I suspect that if this is something that people can feel, then someday there will be a meter which can measure " it " . And for all I know, such a meter already exists? For example, has anyone tried using a " Ghost Detector " to see if it correlates with ES symptoms? _http://www.amazon.http://www.amahttp://wwwhttp://wwwhttp://www_ (http://www.amazon.com/The-Ghost-Meter-EMF-Sensor/dp/B000ZH7G1E) Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2009 Report Share Posted March 17, 2009 In a message dated 3/17/2009 11:19:52 P.M. GMT Standard Time, Gruendg@... writes: If you take such an apple home, fix it to your mobile phone and put it on, it will do no harm to you. It means this apple has in its water strucure an information that in itself is electrosmog neutralizing. Yeah they have already done this its called the Apple I-Phone lol.. PUK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2009 Report Share Posted March 23, 2009 In a message dated 3/23/2009 3:43:32 P.M. GMT Standard Time, reader41@... writes: Diane, if it takes a couple of hours for the EMFs to clear afterwards - is there anything you can do to facilitate this or speed this process up? Do some exersise in the fresh air.......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2009 Report Share Posted March 23, 2009 Hi Diane  This explains my problems then.On 2 fronts.  Last week my sister brought her 2 kids to stay with us for a couple of days.. lovely to see them but they brought with them 2 Nintendo DS consoles, a portable DVD player, an IPhone [to which I had the strongest unpleasant reaction] and an Ipod - at one stage all of these were plugged in to various sockets of the house to charge up. My pain levels rocketed up and stayed there and didn't come down until after they left. The night they arrived, even thought I specifically requested that any overnight charging of electrical goods be done in the room at the opposite end of the house to where I am sleeping, my sister charged the portable DVD player in the socket adjoining my bedroom wall. I was awake the whole night - I could feel it. But I couldn' t say anything about it because the fact that I am ES just isn't talked about.  Then in the middle of last week someone was watching the big toshiba TV in the room above mine before bedtime - again I was awake the whole night.  Diane, if it takes a couple of hours for the EMFs to clear afterwards - is there anything you can do to facilitate this or speed this process up?  Best wishes  Steph  From: paulpjcaol (DOT) com <paulpjcaol (DOT) com> Subject: Re: blocking wifi groups (DOT) com Date: Monday, March 9, 2009, 10:33 AM In a message dated 3/9/2009 2:24:31 P.M. GMT Standard Time, jkurlant1hotmail (DOT) com writes: I know people have posted a lot about the impact of wireless internet on health, but I haven't seen any postings about how to potentially block wifi signals from entering your house. Is there a way to do so? Can you jam them? I use a cable modem, not wifi, but all my neighbors have wifi. Ideas? Josh Trace the emissions and sheild with foil, emf fabric etc, sounds simple but you have to be thorough, bed canopy to sheild you at night etc... you could buy a faulty sattelite/digi box and plug it in when you are out this would send signals via the mains/telecoms that can knock out the wifi, and is not illegal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2009 Report Share Posted March 23, 2009 Hi, Steph,  I agree with . The best thing for me seems to be to get out into the fresh air away from emfs as much as possible. If it is too cold or wet to do regular " grounding exercises " , just getting out helps--I am likely to  hug a tree, if I think of it, tho. lol I know you have been ill recently and this, too, would make you more vulnerable.  The important thing is to keep these types of items unplugged and not operational in your home in the future. You might, however, allow your sister's family to come back and use them once more--send them emf info in the meantime explaining that you are concerned about their health, casually mention you react to emfs but don't go into great detail--then when they come to stay with you, go to their rooms and point out that you can feel the items plugged in and it makes you quite ill. Nothing works for skeptical people like proving you can feel emfs. My son tested me blind-folded in various ways once. I told him how I reacted to the computer--when uploading, downloading, with streaming video. He then went thru a variety of computer tasks with me sitting 8 feet away to the rear of the computer and recorded the results. I could nearly perfectly predict when he did these tasks, except when he did them back to back--I could not tell when they ended and started and would say I was unsure but could still feel the emfs.  Don't put too much emphasis on the energy remaining after items are unplugged, Steph. Yes, I do feel energies for sometimes several hours; but I can't say (in light of the recent discussion on this topic) exactly what is going on here when items are unplugged. I have been told by various people--a doctor, several building biologists, and a couple of forum members here--that emfs discipate over several hours. They all have not agreed on the time it takes--the doctor said 24 to 48 hours, building biologists were suggesting 8 to 12 hours, and someone here told me over 2 hours and another person said it could be hours longer. (This was info I got when I was asking about my house we are remodeling--I said I turned off the circuit breakers in the entire house for about 2 hours and was still feeling emfs. I wanted to know whether the electrical system could still be carrying current after being shut off at the curcuit panel. I am writing this, because I want to be sure we are not talking apples and oranges, but dealing with the same fruit. lol) I have however felt this as well at my house I am living in--especially around the DSL box/phone line/computer cords. I actually find unplugging the ethernet cable from the computer and DSL box makes a difference--I can pick up emf feelings (skin tingling or burning mainly) from the cable for hours after the computer and box are unplugged and it often also makes a difference in the outlet that they were previously plugged into. But I don't have great emf problems in these circumstances--just minor skin tingling or burning. If you are having very bad symptoms, it is likely that you are just still reacting from previously having something plugged in.  I am waaaaaay behind in my email from taking a computer vacation last week to do some reading, etc. So, if I owe you more mail, I am working on it.  Hope you are feeling better, Diane From: paulpjc@... <paulpjc@...> Subject: Re: blocking wifi Date: Monday, March 23, 2009, 11:51 AM In a message dated 3/23/2009 3:43:32 P.M. GMT Standard Time, reader41ymail (DOT) com writes: Diane, if it takes a couple of hours for the EMFs to clear afterwards - is there anything you can do to facilitate this or speed this process up? Do some exersise in the fresh air......... . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2009 Report Share Posted March 23, 2009 Hi, Dietrich,  Thanks so much for this information! Very interesting!  Re the apple neutralizing electrosmog near a telephone: does the fruit that is affected taste different because of the emfs it carries? Do you know whether the effects of eating this fruit is good or bad? Sorry, I know you experiment with such things so I thought you might know. If the apple neutralizes electrosmog in the telephone, does it do similar things or not in the body? The reason I ask is I have been advised to drink spring water that has been subjected to emfs. But when I tried it, it made me gag and choke and I hated the taste of it (and, altho I didn't try doing it more than once, I didn't notice a difference in a good way to the original bottle I tried!) To me it tasted like dirty dishwater--totally lifeless. So I was wondering if this reaction differed from es person to es person. (Or is the idea that this helps urban legend?)  Also, I buy local spring water by the case and I notice there is always 1 bottle in the case (or sometimes 2) which make me choke and gag, as well, and which I think taste bad.   I finally realized this is probably the bottle(s) where the UPC code is and where the clerk waves her decoder over for the price to register! (I think--this is a fairly recent discovery and might take a couple more cases till I am sure.) So I am wondering, is this good or bad? Does it make a difference health-wise? And if so--what does this say about our food supply???  Thanks so much, Dietrich; I appreciate your posts of your experiments, Diane From: Gruendg@... <Gruendg@...> Subject: Re: Re: blocking wifi Date: Tuesday, March 17, 2009, 7:18 PM HalloI, from my resarch through elekctroacupuncture I came across some phenomena that can explain this lingering effect after removing an electromsog neutralizing device. In the vicinity of a mobile station not only the people ar affected but also all material is infected with that biological negative vibration from electrosmog. I could measure this taking leaves and fruits from trees in the vicinity of mobile stations and also earth and stones and rain water. They are neagtively charged depending on the distance from this station. Now, if you install an electrosmog neutralizing device at this mobile station, this negative charge disappears within minutes and turns positve. If you then remove the neutralizing device, the positive charge remains sometimes for months in the fruits due to their water content, and much shorter in the lime stones in the ground. If you take such an apple home, fix it to your mobile phone and put it on, it will do no harm to you. It means this apple has in its water strucure an information that in itself is electrosmog neutralizing. You may beleave it or not. I have used this phenomenon creatively in other applications that seem to look quite different, with success. Clearly this can not be explained by the physics of radiowaves as it is thought today. And so most people will disagree. It can on the other side very well be explained through the existence of scalar waves or Tesla waves and their specific qualities. But for the general public and science today these waves do not exist. And therefore we continue to search for an solution of the electromsog problem. dietrich gruen n einer eMail vom 09.03.2009 21:24:15 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt marcufoseries (DOT) com: > Interesting, too. I am not sure I understand this whole line of info, > tho--are these fields different frequencies, on a continuing spectrum of > frequencies? Or are they different entities--for lack of a better > term--altogether? Are they not measurable because they are not > frequencies, or is it that meters do not yet exist which measure them? I don't really know. I've tried reading stuff online about Quantum Physics / Quantum Mechanics, Quantum Coherence, but I never get very far... But I suspect that if this is something that people can feel, then someday there will be a meter which can measure " it " . And for all I know, such a meter already exists? For example, has anyone tried using a " Ghost Detector " to see if it correlates with ES symptoms? _http://www.amazon. http://www. amahttp:/ /wwwhttp: //wwwhttp: //www_ (http://www.amazon. com/The-Ghost- Meter-EMF- Sensor/dp/ B000ZH7G1E) Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2009 Report Share Posted March 23, 2009 > The reason I ask is I have been advised to drink > spring water that has been subjected to emfs Is this supposed be a homeopathic cure for your EMF sensitivity? I know that I tried this once myself, but it didn't have any effect on my sensitivity. Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2009 Report Share Posted March 23, 2009 Hi, Marc,  Yes, the homeopath suggested it, but I am unsure whether it is the same as a homeopathic remedy. I also read it in a book on es--I think the " Powerwatch " book??? And a building biologist I know suggested it as well. I didn't notice anything good either, Marc--felt like my body was slightly stressed and the choking and gaging did nothing positive for me. Diane From: Marc <marc@...> Subject: Re: Re: blocking wifi Date: Monday, March 23, 2009, 5:04 PM > The reason I ask is I have been advised to drink > spring water that has been subjected to emfs Is this supposed be a homeopathic cure for your EMF sensitivity? I know that I tried this once myself, but it didn't have any effect on my sensitivity. Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2009 Report Share Posted March 24, 2009 You all are on the right track about hovering emf after all power is off. Tree hugging is not a laughing matter, either. It really is recommended, or just walking barefoot on dirt. Another great boon is the conditioner that looks like a beeper. Very portable and very useful. My wife sometimes places it on top of her head for major attacks, like our famous speed radar cameras instituted by the state of Arizona as revenue generator. This is one example that the govt doesnt give a damn about our health.  From: paulpjcaol (DOT) com <paulpjcaol (DOT) com> Subject: Re: blocking wifi groups (DOT) com Date: Monday, March 23, 2009, 11:51 AM In a message dated 3/23/2009 3:43:32 P.M. GMT Standard Time, reader41ymail (DOT) com writes: Diane, if it takes a couple of hours for the EMFs to clear afterwards - is there anything you can do to facilitate this or speed this process up? Do some exersise in the fresh air......... . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2009 Report Share Posted March 24, 2009 > Another great boon is the > conditioner that looks like a beeper. Very portable and very useful. What specific product are you referring to? The Quantum Companion, or something else? Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2009 Report Share Posted March 24, 2009 I was curious, too - that was the first thing that came to mind. Marc, this one (the Quantum " beeper " helps you, right? > > > Another great boon is the > > conditioner that looks like a beeper. Very portable and very useful. > > What specific product are you referring to? The Quantum Companion, > or something else? > > Marc > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2009 Report Share Posted March 24, 2009 Hi, Mike,  You may not have known, but I have written a number of times about hugging or sitting on the roots of trees. I just wanted you to know I was not making fun of the practice, but merely writing like I talk. You do have to admit the thought of it sounds abit funny. But it works and I do it.  What is the name of the conditioner that your wife uses, Mike? The " Personal Polarizer " ?  Thanks, Diane From: paulpjcaol (DOT) com <paulpjcaol (DOT) com> Subject: Re: blocking wifi groups (DOT) com Date: Monday, March 23, 2009, 11:51 AM In a message dated 3/23/2009 3:43:32 P.M. GMT Standard Time, reader41ymail (DOT) com writes: Diane, if it takes a couple of hours for the EMFs to clear afterwards - is there anything you can do to facilitate this or speed this process up? Do some exersise in the fresh air......... . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2009 Report Share Posted March 25, 2009 What do you notice after walking in dirt or hugging that tree! I may just try this. Loni From: paulpjcaol (DOT) com <paulpjcaol (DOT) com> Subject: Re: blocking wifi groups (DOT) com Date: Monday, March 23, 2009, 11:51 AM In a message dated 3/23/2009 3:43:32 P.M. GMT Standard Time, reader41ymail (DOT) com writes: Diane, if it takes a couple of hours for the EMFs to clear afterwards - is there anything you can do to facilitate this or speed this process up? Do some exersise in the fresh air......... . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2009 Report Share Posted March 25, 2009 In a message dated 3/25/2009 9:12:01 P.M. GMT Standard Time, reader41@... writes: Diane, if it takes a couple of hours for the EMFs to clear afterwards - is there anything you can do to facilitate this or speed this process up? you might like to try opening windows to let fresh air in this will replenish the environment and change the chemical and ion contents within. Are you MCS as well as this may be your problem with the lingering emfs, may well be lingering chemicals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2009 Report Share Posted March 25, 2009 In a message dated 3/25/2009 5:33:33 P.M. GMT Standard Time, loni326@... writes: What do you notice after walking in dirt or hugging that tree! I may just try this. Loni I have done this before and one thing that fasinates me is the sound that the tree picks up you can here the vibrations if you put your ear to the trunk, its quite spooky paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2009 Report Share Posted March 25, 2009 Thanks for this Diane - I do try to get outside as much as weather and my symptoms permit, and that is usually where I feel best. There is a lovely wooded park near where I am staying at the moment and I try to go to it when I can, but the odd thing is that sometimes when I go into it I feel an almost instantaneous draining of energy as soon as I get onto the grass - and i have to tell myself just to gently enjoy my surroundings because I don;t have the energy to do much more - I often find I can only walk short distances - maybe from a bench seat to a tree trunk and i am always having to sit down for spells - I wonder am I " discharging " too much and could that be what causes that feeling? I have also tried hugging trees but don't notice too much effects with that.  Best wishes  Steph From: paulpjcaol (DOT) com <paulpjcaol (DOT) com> Subject: Re: blocking wifi groups (DOT) com Date: Monday, March 23, 2009, 11:51 AM In a message dated 3/23/2009 3:43:32 P.M. GMT Standard Time, reader41ymail (DOT) com writes: Diane, if it takes a couple of hours for the EMFs to clear afterwards - is there anything you can do to facilitate this or speed this process up? Do some exersise in the fresh air......... . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2009 Report Share Posted March 25, 2009 Me too - could anyone post a link or something here to such a device? Â Steph From: rticleone <rticleone@...> Subject: Re: blocking wifi Date: Tuesday, 24 March, 2009, 7:40 PM I was curious, too - that was the first thing that came to mind. Marc, this one (the Quantum " beeper " helps you, right? > > > Another great boon is the > > conditioner that looks like a beeper. Very portable and very useful. > > What specific product are you referring to? The Quantum Companion, > or something else? > > Marc > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2009 Report Share Posted March 25, 2009 > Me too - could anyone post a link or something here to such a device? The one I'm using (and it certainly DOES look like a beeper) is called a Quantum Companion: http://quantumproducts.com/catalog/quantum_companion.html If you order this, they will give you a choice of color for the case. I'd say pick the black one, as the plastic is sturdier and lasts longer than the translucent ones. I bought a black one 7 years ago and it's still holding up fine. I then bought a translucent one a year ago, and the battery cover broke within the first few months. So I then bought an older black pager case on eBay and transferred the guts of the newer Quantum Companion into the old, sturdier pager case. I think the black cases are (were?) made by Motorola, while the translucent cases are made by someone else. Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2009 Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 Yes, the conditioner is the Quantum companion. I chose this one since the home model seemed to be for placing near a computer, which we do not turn on at home. I thought the portability was the most important part about it. Mike From: Marc <marc@...> Subject: Re: blocking wifi Date: Tuesday, March 24, 2009, 10:04 AM > Another great boon is the > conditioner that looks like a beeper. Very portable and very useful. What specific product are you referring to? The Quantum Companion, or something else? Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2009 Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 Hi, Diane,  I know you were ridiculing the practice of tree hugging, but I just wanted to make clear that it is not a whimsical practice but rather a practical treatment. Of course, it's funny, I just did not want to dissuade others from trying it by making it sound like something out of centerfield. This disease gets enough ridicule and disbelief. Thank God, there are mainstream believers like the mayor of Broward. I wish my wife's MD would at least attempt to have an open mind about it, but the Dr. is very skeptical. Whatever.  The beeper I am referring to is the Quantum product recommended by Marc . It may not be very powerful, but my wife really depends on it for certain situations. Thanks to Marc. His suggestions are always on the mark, no pun intended.  Mike From: paulpjcaol (DOT) com <paulpjcaol (DOT) com> Subject: Re: blocking wifi groups (DOT) com Date: Monday, March 23, 2009, 11:51 AM In a message dated 3/23/2009 3:43:32 P.M. GMT Standard Time, reader41ymail (DOT) com writes: Diane, if it takes a couple of hours for the EMFs to clear afterwards - is there anything you can do to facilitate this or speed this process up? Do some exersise in the fresh air......... . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2009 Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 Correction. I meant I know you were N0T ridiculing tree hugging. Mike Sent via BlackBerry by AT & T Re: blocking wifi groups (DOT) com Date: Monday, March 23, 2009, 11:51 AM In a message dated 3/23/2009 3:43:32 P.M. GMT Standard Time, reader41ymail (DOT) com writes: Diane, if it takes a couple of hours for the EMFs to clear afterwards - is there anything you can do to facilitate this or speed this process up? Do some exersise in the fresh air......... . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2009 Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 I'll try it , thanks, Loni From: paulpjc@... <paulpjc@...> Subject: Re: blocking wifi Date: Wednesday, March 25, 2009, 3:40 PM In a message dated 3/25/2009 5:33:33 P.M. GMT Standard Time, loni326 (DOT) com writes: What do you notice after walking in dirt or hugging that tree! I may just try this. Loni I have done this before and one thing that fasinates me is the sound that the tree picks up you can here the vibrations if you put your ear to the trunk, its quite spooky paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2009 Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 Hi, Loni,  I notice feeling calmer, more peaceful, and less electrically " ramped-up " or charged. (I am not having reactions in the areas where I ground myself--those atmospheres will not work for grounding. In fact, you might pick up more electricity there rather than have it drain from you.) When I ground myself, it also takes more time for me to react to emfs afterwards.  Diane From: paulpjcaol (DOT) com <paulpjcaol (DOT) com> Subject: Re: blocking wifi groups (DOT) com Date: Monday, March 23, 2009, 11:51 AM In a message dated 3/23/2009 3:43:32 P.M. GMT Standard Time, reader41ymail (DOT) com writes: Diane, if it takes a couple of hours for the EMFs to clear afterwards - is there anything you can do to facilitate this or speed this process up? Do some exersise in the fresh air......... . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2009 Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 Oh thanks Diane. So if I stick my feet in the dirt (how long?) should my reaction to the fridge be less do you think? Worth a shot. Loni From: paulpjcaol (DOT) com <paulpjcaol (DOT) com> Subject: Re: blocking wifi groups (DOT) com Date: Monday, March 23, 2009, 11:51 AM In a message dated 3/23/2009 3:43:32 P.M. GMT Standard Time, reader41ymail (DOT) com writes: Diane, if it takes a couple of hours for the EMFs to clear afterwards - is there anything you can do to facilitate this or speed this process up? Do some exersise in the fresh air......... . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2009 Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 Hi, Steph,  If you are not getting enough sleep at night and you are essentially running on adrenaline from being ramped-up on electricity all the time, then, yes, you will probably feel somewhat drained--but usually in a good way (like, you want to go home and sleep and you can do that when you get there and try it). If you are feeling drained in a bad way, then it is likely that the park you are using to nurture you is a ground bed for emfs (usually). That said, however, if you have ME (which you do!) then any little bit of exercise you get is robbing you of your strength. Try walking backwards, Steph. You may see that that is much easier for you to do! When that happens, you have lymphatic, meridian, and other energy blockages. You can actually, in that circumstance, do energy exercises to help you. (The Energy Medicine book I mentioned awhile back.) However, the way I deal with it personally is to do the exercises and also take calcium AEP and pantethine with water.  If you try this, remember that you have to start really small and build up to the amount that I take. When I first tried this, I had to get empty capsules and pull the calcium/pantethine caps apart and repack just a small amount of them to take--I built up to the recommended dosage over 2 months. Otherwise I would get very ill on them.  This was a combo my nutritionist suggested for autonomic nervous system symptoms and lymphatic congestion. (Understand that I equate CFS/ME with autonomic nervous system disregulation. For me, they are one and the same; not unlike fibromyalgia for me is the exact same thing as lymphatic congestion/meridian blockage.)  I take these--calcium AEP and pantethine (after I got up to a full pill without bad reaction of any kind)--every 20 mins until I can feel my blood pressure normalize. It helps with fatigue, chills, sweats, heart palps and other autonomic symptoms. But since for me, my bp usually plummets first, that is how I can stop energy crashing from the very beginning of its outset. This and going completely gf has made it possible for me to control CFS/ME.  Another thing which then gave me more energy was alkalizing and adding negative ionized hydrogen to my water (or taking hydrogen capsules). It is the same principal, only cheaper, as taking Enada NADH. When you take NADH or the hydrogen capsules (or the water) it helps your stamina to go walking right after taking them. I struggled the first 12 mins after I started walking (and got bad chills) at first. But when I persevered I was rewarded eventually with more stamina--in otherwords, I could walk further than previously before having fatigue or an energy crash coming on.  I also devised ways to help me walk longer--I always carry water and sip it when I get tired or hot. Back then, I also had a cooling sash (called a " cooldana " )--a scarf that you wet with water and wear around your neck, for when I began to sweat. I found that overheating robbed me of energy and began to set of a series of other autonomic symptoms into motion. Also, 2 other autonomic system symptoms which confounded my recovery were increased heart beat and getting out of breath. I would walk 10 mins, be out of breath, and my heart would be beating like I had just come off of a 20 mile marathon run! lol Finally, I mentioned this to my nutritionist who told me to just take baby steps. So simple; to think that was all it took! lol So, when I start losing my breath or my heart starts racing, I just slow down.  At first all I could do was inch along, literally--I went a few inches per step and sang a R-E-A-L-L-Y slow song to myself walking to the beat. But a year after that I was going a mile and a half/walk and 2 years later I was going 3 miles/walk. I can now go hiking and biking, garden, and do things I was never even able to do when I was a child! (Kind of cool for a gal pushing 60, if I do say so myself!  ) Steph, it is possible that you can't feel the effects of grounding because your ME is still so bad. Remember that it doesn't all come in a day, dear. You will get there, tho.  My best to you, Diane From: paulpjcaol (DOT) com <paulpjcaol (DOT) com> Subject: Re: blocking wifi groups (DOT) com Date: Monday, March 23, 2009, 11:51 AM In a message dated 3/23/2009 3:43:32 P.M. GMT Standard Time, reader41ymail (DOT) com writes: Diane, if it takes a couple of hours for the EMFs to clear afterwards - is there anything you can do to facilitate this or speed this process up? Do some exersise in the fresh air......... . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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