Re: jobs anybody?

[Guest guest]

> So...what do you all do?

Heh, heh... nobody here would want my job -- software developer...

of course, I've mostly got my ES under control these days. Back

when I was at my worst, I couldn't stand being at my desk

for more than 30 minutes...

Marc

[Guest guest]

puk replies - yes job wise things getter slimmer and slimmer ! as for the

scan guns are you aware of the sweedish guy voted top salesman of the year

at some stage who became ES due to these guns, he apparently ended up on the

street after being branded mentally ill.... not sure what the story is

entitled

In a message dated 14/10/2010 11:06:57 GMT Daylight Time,

furstc0404@... writes:

Hi, the newbie has a starter question. What jobs do you all have? I just

lost my last job due to eletrosensitivity (RFID both general and with these

nasty scan guns)

[Guest guest]

Good question

Can't wait to read suggestions

Kooky

From: glitterglitter13 <glitterglitter13@...>

Subject: jobs anybody?

Date: Wednesday, October 13, 2010, 9:50 PM

 

Hi, the newbie has a starter question. What jobs do you all have? I just

lost my last job due to eletrosensitivity (RFID both general and with these

nasty scan guns) and the job I had before that to a chemical reaction. So, in

the past couple of months I've been job hunting and quickly discovering that

there are plenty of jobs to be had out there if you can tolerate excessive

light, harsh chemicals and wifi. Beyond those criteria the pickings start

getting pretty darn slim and nobody has health insurance (which I desperately

need). So...what do you all do?

[Guest guest]

I can't be near a PC for very long, and definitely not a LCD monitor.

Even five minutes under a fluorescent light makes me ill for the next 24 hours

(I've even tried suncreen for in case it was a UV thing (which I doubt, because

the sun doesn't create such an extreme reaction - although it does make me feel

ill).

Even landlines make me ill if don't keep calls infrequent and short.

So I don't know how I'm ever going to work again.

I haven't been working anyway due to CFS, but these last few months my EMF

sensitivity has become so bad that I'm pretty much house bound.

My husband has decided to divorce me, as he thinks it's probably psychological

(he says if 10 was believing me and 0 was not, then he's a 4). Either way he

isn't prepared to live with the changes, nor to move to another, better house.

My mother doesnt' believe me at all, and has begged me to see a psychiatrist.

She's in fact even threatened to have me certified. Now we've agreed to

disagree, and neither of us bring up the subject.

It's all very painful to me, I wish I could have something 'conventional' wrong

with me.

>

> puk replies - yes job wise things getter slimmer and slimmer ! as for the

> scan guns are you aware of the sweedish guy voted top salesman of the year

> at some stage who became ES due to these guns, he apparently ended up on the

> street after being branded mentally ill.... not sure what the story is

> entitled

>

>

> In a message dated 14/10/2010 11:06:57 GMT Daylight Time,

> furstc0404@... writes:

>

> Hi, the newbie has a starter question. What jobs do you all have? I just

> lost my last job due to eletrosensitivity (RFID both general and with these

> nasty scan guns)

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

what's a scan gun?

es - job wise for me - rules out so much - I find computers difficult for

anything longer than short periods and cell phones cause me intense pain and

fatigue not to mention the scrambled brain

I'm thinking if i could build up my stamina and energy levels [plus could come

to terms with my problems with leaf mould LOL] I might be capable of a little

light gardening out in the wilderness somewhere

or something artistic [provided the chemicals were on the low side] - maybe some

creative needlework? big demand for that these days [not!]

yes slim pickings indeed workwise and the government here in the UK totally

accepts the line fed to them by Freud and Simon Wellesley that ES is a

psychosomatic illness curable [or at least treatable] with a course of cognitive

behavioural therapy, in one clean sweep negating any entitlement to benefits and

making sure that no one can sue the government which has installed all the wifi

and licensed the cell phone companies [at great bounty to the UK treasury] and

our economy is now so dependent on this infrastructure that in a time of

recession Essers like us are nothing more than a bit of collateral damage.

Google Simon Wellesley and electrosensitvity and sooner or later in the search

results that is what you will come across. He is the psychiatrist which has

totally convinced the UK government that ME/ CFS is not a serious illness

requiring medical treatment leaving 250,000 (and rising) people to suffer in

this country and he sees ES as being part of the same paradigm. The hypocrisy is

nauseating indeed.

________________________________

From: " paulpjc@... " <paulpjc@...>

Sent: Thu, 14 October, 2010 12:00:50

Subject: Re: jobs anybody?

 

puk replies - yes job wise things getter slimmer and slimmer ! as for the

scan guns are you aware of the sweedish guy voted top salesman of the year

at some stage who became ES due to these guns, he apparently ended up on the

street after being branded mentally ill.... not sure what the story is

entitled

In a message dated 14/10/2010 11:06:57 GMT Daylight Time,

furstc0404@... writes:

Hi, the newbie has a starter question. What jobs do you all have? I just

lost my last job due to eletrosensitivity (RFID both general and with these

nasty scan guns)

[Guest guest]

Oh yes forgot to mention the problems with fluourescent lighting - which so

drains me I have come close to passing out - particularly in large stores - so

that rules out most offices then

________________________________

From: " paulpjc@... " <paulpjc@...>

Sent: Thu, 14 October, 2010 12:00:50

Subject: Re: jobs anybody?

 

puk replies - yes job wise things getter slimmer and slimmer ! as for the

scan guns are you aware of the sweedish guy voted top salesman of the year

at some stage who became ES due to these guns, he apparently ended up on the

street after being branded mentally ill.... not sure what the story is

entitled

In a message dated 14/10/2010 11:06:57 GMT Daylight Time,

furstc0404@... writes:

Hi, the newbie has a starter question. What jobs do you all have? I just

lost my last job due to eletrosensitivity (RFID both general and with these

nasty scan guns)

[Guest guest]

Yes, I couldn't convince my own husband nor mother; they both think I've lost my

marbles.

My husband is divorcing me, and my mother wants to have me certified to get

psychiatric help (read hospitalized under fluorescent lights, and drugged up

with antipsychotics (which I have tried anyhow searching for answers to my

fatigue and insomnia).

So why would any employer/government care?

It's all so very sad, I don't see how it's ever going to turn around, and

meanwhile so many people are ill because of this. Not to mention the damage

that really is being done to everybody whether they 'feel' it or not, and to the

rest of the planet's inhabitants.

>

> Oh yes forgot to mention the problems with fluourescent lighting - which so

> drains me I have come close to passing out - particularly in large stores - so

> that rules out most offices then

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: " paulpjc@... " <paulpjc@...>

>

> Sent: Thu, 14 October, 2010 12:00:50

> Subject: Re: jobs anybody?

>

>  

> puk replies - yes job wise things getter slimmer and slimmer ! as for the

> scan guns are you aware of the sweedish guy voted top salesman of the year

> at some stage who became ES due to these guns, he apparently ended up on the

> street after being branded mentally ill.... not sure what the story is

> entitled

>

>

> In a message dated 14/10/2010 11:06:57 GMT Daylight Time,

> furstc0404@... writes:

>

> Hi, the newbie has a starter question. What jobs do you all have? I just

> lost my last job due to eletrosensitivity (RFID both general and with these

> nasty scan guns)

>

>

[Guest guest]

kikkie2004 wrote:

> My mother doesnt' believe me at all, and has begged me to see a psychiatrist.

She's in fact even threatened to have me certified. Now we've agreed to

disagree, and neither of us bring up the subject.

>

> It's all very painful to me, I wish I could have something 'conventional'

wrong with me.

>

All we need is a medical " test " that " Proves " you are in pain.

Since I don't know of any such test, perhaps a different approach could

be useful.

Tell mom when you were a baby, and cried, Did mom conclude something was

bothering you?

(or did she ignore you... probably not)

When horses put their ears back and stomp their feet, do we conclude

they are making it up or bluffing?

or if they are limping, maybe they are faking it and don't want to

work... Animals don't lie. Too bad people do, and believe other people

all do too.

Obviously the problem is Denial.

and unfortunately, showing them a meter that proves there is EMF in the

air does not make the leap to proving it is harmful, or hurting us, or

torturing us.

It might however, start the thinking process.

Back to the original question, I'll stop lurking long enough to say... I

have been disabled since 1993. I have tried a few jobs that almost

worked, if my other symptoms did not make me unemployable.

I improved when retreating to the forest, and trimming trees in a tree

farm. I think there are still forestry jobs out here that work in the field.

I was able to " chase " and monitor cows on a dairy farm from horseback.

(Horses put out no magnetic field and don't require batteries.

(Bio-electric fields don't qualify.)

If you can find a quiet car, rural mail delivery may work, except for

driving along the power lines.

Being a farrier is also low tech, except again for lots of travel time,

and barns that are not rural enough (which keeps me from pursuing that

idea.)

The best proof, is being able to turn off the emitting sources, (power

off, or change location) and getting a positive result (less pain etc).

So I know you are not crazy.

http://seahorseCorral.org/ehs1.html

[Guest guest]

Thanks,

I've had CFS for many years, and these last few months were the best that I've

ever felt energy-wise, sleepwise, moodwise. Providing I avoid EMF as far as

possible. And that's after trying everything else, from 'alternative stuff' like

chelation, nutrient therapy, scio, rife, antibiotics, to conventional stuff like

antidepressants, etc. So I would have thought this would be proof enough.

I've also printed her off much literature regarding EMF, including info about

'first world countries' such as Sweden acknowledging it and bringing out

guidelines about it.

All to no avail. So I've pretty much given up on her.

Being female cuts out some of the more hard labour EMF-free jobs for me; and the

car and powerlines definitely affect me very much as well.

> > My mother doesnt' believe me at all, and has begged me to see a

psychiatrist. She's in fact even threatened to have me certified. Now we've

agreed to disagree, and neither of us bring up the subject.

> >

> > It's all very painful to me, I wish I could have something 'conventional'

wrong with me.

> >

>

> All we need is a medical " test " that " Proves " you are in pain.

> Since I don't know of any such test, perhaps a different approach could

> be useful.

>

> Tell mom when you were a baby, and cried, Did mom conclude something was

> bothering you?

> (or did she ignore you... probably not)

>

> When horses put their ears back and stomp their feet, do we conclude

> they are making it up or bluffing?

> or if they are limping, maybe they are faking it and don't want to

> work... Animals don't lie. Too bad people do, and believe other people

> all do too.

>

> Obviously the problem is Denial.

> and unfortunately, showing them a meter that proves there is EMF in the

> air does not make the leap to proving it is harmful, or hurting us, or

> torturing us.

> It might however, start the thinking process.

>

>

> Back to the original question, I'll stop lurking long enough to say... I

> have been disabled since 1993. I have tried a few jobs that almost

> worked, if my other symptoms did not make me unemployable.

> I improved when retreating to the forest, and trimming trees in a tree

> farm. I think there are still forestry jobs out here that work in the field.

> I was able to " chase " and monitor cows on a dairy farm from horseback.

> (Horses put out no magnetic field and don't require batteries.

> (Bio-electric fields don't qualify.)

> If you can find a quiet car, rural mail delivery may work, except for

> driving along the power lines.

> Being a farrier is also low tech, except again for lots of travel time,

> and barns that are not rural enough (which keeps me from pursuing that

> idea.)

>

> The best proof, is being able to turn off the emitting sources, (power

> off, or change location) and getting a positive result (less pain etc).

> So I know you are not crazy.

>

>

> http://seahorseCorral.org/ehs1.html

>

[Guest guest]

Hi, Glitter,

 

Welcome to the group! 

 

I have never been able to work outside of my home [MCS, celiac disease, liver

disease, etc, etc, etc, and ES].  I can do limited design work at home.  I

think some types of designing might work for people so gifted.  I have a hard

time finding clients, tho, and a harder time meeting them in their

environments. 

 

I will also soon be teaching music as I was once an accomplished musician till

hand tremors caught up with me [violin and piano, mainly].  I only have one

student, tho, so far.  lol  I did in the past teach music to nieces and my

son, each who have their own bands now and perform publicly.  People have often

requested I teach them or their children music.  It is my hubby (who has to

listen, third-party) who always put the nix to that plan.  lol  Teaching

music, while it would work in theory, is a hard sell for people with

families.  My hubby also doesn't like sharing his time with me with others. 

When do people want their lessons?  Exactly the only times hubby is home!

 

Good luck to you.  I hope you find a way to work at home at exactly what you

are best at,

Diane

 

From: glitterglitter13 <glitterglitter13@...>

Subject: jobs anybody?

Date: Wednesday, October 13, 2010, 9:50 PM

 

Hi, the newbie has a starter question. What jobs do you all have? I just lost my

last job due to eletrosensitivity (RFID both general and with these nasty scan

guns) and the job I had before that to a chemical reaction. So, in the past

couple of months I've been job hunting and quickly discovering that there are

plenty of jobs to be had out there if you can tolerate excessive light, harsh

chemicals and wifi. Beyond those criteria the pickings start getting pretty darn

slim and nobody has health insurance (which I desperately need). So...what do

you all do?

[Guest guest]

Hey, Steph,

 

What about jewelry designing, seriously!  You love stringing beads.  You might

not get rich, but you might surprise yourself!

 

Diane

From: <reader41@...>

Subject: Re: jobs anybody?

Date: Thursday, October 14, 2010, 11:29 AM

 

what's a scan gun?

es - job wise for me - rules out so much - I find computers difficult for

anything longer than short periods and cell phones cause me intense pain and

fatigue not to mention the scrambled brain

I'm thinking if i could build up my stamina and energy levels [plus could come

to terms with my problems with leaf mould LOL] I might be capable of a little

light gardening out in the wilderness somewhere

or something artistic [provided the chemicals were on the low side] - maybe some

creative needlework? big demand for that these days [not!]

yes slim pickings indeed workwise and the government here in the UK totally

accepts the line fed to them by Freud and Simon Wellesley that ES is a

psychosomatic illness curable [or at least treatable] with a course of cognitive

behavioural therapy, in one clean sweep negating any entitlement to benefits and

making sure that no one can sue the government which has installed all the wifi

and licensed the cell phone companies [at great bounty to the UK treasury] and

our economy is now so dependent on this infrastructure that in a time of

recession Essers like us are nothing more than a bit of collateral damage.

Google Simon Wellesley and electrosensitvity and sooner or later in the search

results that is what you will come across. He is the psychiatrist which has

totally convinced the UK government that ME/ CFS is not a serious illness

requiring medical treatment leaving 250,000 (and rising) people to suffer in

this country and he sees ES as being part of the same paradigm. The hypocrisy is

nauseating indeed.

________________________________

From: " paulpjc@... " <paulpjc@...>

Sent: Thu, 14 October, 2010 12:00:50

Subject: Re: jobs anybody?

 

puk replies - yes job wise things getter slimmer and slimmer ! as for the

scan guns are you aware of the sweedish guy voted top salesman of the year

at some stage who became ES due to these guns, he apparently ended up on the

street after being branded mentally ill.... not sure what the story is

entitled

In a message dated 14/10/2010 11:06:57 GMT Daylight Time,

furstc0404@... writes:

Hi, the newbie has a starter question. What jobs do you all have? I just

lost my last job due to eletrosensitivity (RFID both general and with these

nasty scan guns)

[Guest guest]

Forgot about that Diane LOLOL although it is more of a hobby than anything else

- for the moment at least!

love

Steph

 

________________________________

From: Evie <evie15422@...>

Sent: Mon, 18 October, 2010 4:20:35

Subject: Re: jobs anybody?

 

Hey, Steph,

 

What about jewelry designing, seriously!  You love stringing beads.  You might

not get rich, but you might surprise yourself!

 

Diane

From: <reader41@...>

Subject: Re: jobs anybody?

Date: Thursday, October 14, 2010, 11:29 AM

 

what's a scan gun?

es - job wise for me - rules out so much - I find computers difficult for

anything longer than short periods and cell phones cause me intense pain and

fatigue not to mention the scrambled brain

I'm thinking if i could build up my stamina and energy levels [plus could come

to terms with my problems with leaf mould LOL] I might be capable of a little

light gardening out in the wilderness somewhere

or something artistic [provided the chemicals were on the low side] - maybe some

creative needlework? big demand for that these days [not!]

yes slim pickings indeed workwise and the government here in the UK totally

accepts the line fed to them by Freud and Simon Wellesley that ES is a

psychosomatic illness curable [or at least treatable] with a course of cognitive

behavioural therapy, in one clean sweep negating any entitlement to benefits and

making sure that no one can sue the government which has installed all the wifi

and licensed the cell phone companies [at great bounty to the UK treasury] and

our economy is now so dependent on this infrastructure that in a time of

recession Essers like us are nothing more than a bit of collateral damage.

Google Simon Wellesley and electrosensitvity and sooner or later in the search

results that is what you will come across. He is the psychiatrist which has

totally convinced the UK government that ME/ CFS is not a serious illness

requiring medical treatment leaving 250,000 (and rising) people to suffer in

this country and he sees ES as being part of the same paradigm. The hypocrisy is

nauseating indeed.

________________________________

From: " paulpjc@... " <paulpjc@...>

Sent: Thu, 14 October, 2010 12:00:50

Subject: Re: jobs anybody?

 

puk replies - yes job wise things getter slimmer and slimmer ! as for the

scan guns are you aware of the sweedish guy voted top salesman of the year

at some stage who became ES due to these guns, he apparently ended up on the

street after being branded mentally ill.... not sure what the story is

entitled

In a message dated 14/10/2010 11:06:57 GMT Daylight Time,

furstc0404@... writes:

Hi, the newbie has a starter question. What jobs do you all have? I just

lost my last job due to eletrosensitivity (RFID both general and with these

nasty scan guns)

[Guest guest]

I just had a thought, depending on location, etc.

How about dog walking?

I can't hold a job either. I housesit out in the country here, and the wifi has

crept into the area the past couple years making it wuite uncomfortable even

here at times.

~ Snoshoe

>

> Hey, Steph,

>  

> What about jewelry designing, seriously!  You love stringing beads.  You

might not get rich, but you might surprise yourself!

>  

> Diane

>