Guest guest Posted May 8, 2004 Report Share Posted May 8, 2004 I've found discrepancies in fitday.com before, it makes me more than a little bit crazy at times. Question (for anyone): Have you found anything that is more reliable? I've run across quite a few other nutrition logs online before but have never tried any, just because I've got everything entered into fitday.com for such a long time now and like having it all in one place. I may start playing with a few other ones, though. Also, has anyone used the downloadable software from walford.com? I downloaded it and played around with it very briefly, just haven't taken the time to tinker with it much. Wonder if anyone has opinions on any of this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2004 Report Share Posted May 10, 2004 Hi Rodney, Do you get that error when you jut use the sr16 data? It may be an interpretation of the fiber calorie contribution. Make your own spreadsheet. Regards. ----- Original Message ----- From: Rodney Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2004 10:55 AM Subject: [ ] Uh Oh Hi folks:I have previously pointed out errors in the data sources we use to try to keep track of our nutrient intakes. This latest one looks like by far the worst I have tripped over so far. It looks so awful I now wonder if it may be dangerous to believe any of the results we get from these analyses.If you use Fitday.com to analyze your nutrient intake the following exercise should completely destroy any credibility you might have had for the output it gives.Try this for the food I did it for this morning (but similar types of errors have appeared in every one of the half dozen foods I have tested so far):Log on and hit the 'foods' button to enter a new food [it is important that it be the first food you enter for the day, as you will see later].Enter 'rice bran' in the box and select the 'rice bran' item from the listing you get. Adjust the amount of the food to a large amount (when using the data for analyzing a food I often adjust to 1700 calories for reasons previously explained).Make a written note of the nutrient contents detailed in the table for future reference.Now click 'add to foods eaten'. Make sure it is the only food so far listed for the day. It should show the amount to be 1700 calories (if that was the amount you chose). If there are other foods in the box you have to delete them if you wish to continue with this exercise. Hit the 'save changes' button.Now hit the 'reports' button. Then hit 'nutrition today'. Now compare the data it shows you for micronutients contained in this 1700 calories worth of food with the data it previously gave you for the exact same amount of the exact same food. They are almost all completely different. Ignoring the zeros only two of the sixteen are the same. One, vitamin E, it is 347% greater. Iron is 80% greater. Some are less.Next take the protein and carbs (minus fiber) and multiply by 4 and add the fat x 9 and see how many calories you get. You get 1912 ......... 12.5% more than the 1700 it had previously said you had. Try the same calculation for what bran ........... the number of calories is 14% LESS. Try it for oat bran .......... the number it gives is 39.8% more. These differences are way too big to be explained by rounding errors or whatever.Sorry folks. Anyone who thinks the fitday results mean anything better think again. And since these things are all interlinked via the USDA database it may be unwise to believe that the other similar software is any better.I had thought I had a deficiency of Ca and Zn. Who knows. Given this fiasco, I could easily believe I have an excess.I could email fitday about it. But they claim to have more than three-quarters of a million people using their system and they did not reply to a previous email of mine on similar issues. So I don't think I will waste my time doing that. Nor waste any more of my time using their system - nor anyone else's system if I cannot test it extensively before having to pay for it.Have a nice day.Rodney. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2005 Report Share Posted January 24, 2005 Oh Rodney! I'm so sorry & hope you feel better soon. I sure will miss reading mail from you, but am glad you are helping yourself to heal. Rodney wrote: > Just to say that today I jumped a small obstacle and landed > unexpectedly on ice, lost my footing and my right shoulder took the > full impact, landing on rock solid ice. Result: a clean break of the > humerus about an inch below the shoulder joint. > > Typing one hand, left-handed, is time consuming until my left arm and, > probably more important, right brain get better trained. So I > will be lurking for the foreseeable future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2005 Report Share Posted January 24, 2005 Hi All, I had a similar fracture in 1995, and the swelling of the broken arm was unbelievable. It healed as far as I could determine excellently. I know not which arm it was from any residual pain or bone irregularity. Cheers, Al Pater. --- In , " " <crjohnr@b...> wrote: > > Very sorry to hear about your mishap... > > I don't know if this has been studied but perhaps you might want to eat 100% of your > caloric estimate for maintenance at your current weight, at least until your bones knit up. > > I can't imagine a mechanism for CR helping bone healing, but concede this is > just speculation on my part. > > JR > > PS: You might take the opportunity to ask your doctor about your apparent bone mass from > viewing the X-Ray images. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rodney [mailto:perspect1111@y...] > Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 5:01 PM > > Subject: [ ] Uh oh > > > > > Hi folks: > > Just to say that today I jumped a small obstacle and landed > unexpectedly on ice, lost my footing and my right shoulder took the > full impact, landing on rock solid ice. Result: a clean break of the > humerus about an inch below the shoulder joint. > > Typing one hand, left-handed, is time consuming until my left arm > and, probably more important, right brain get better trained. So I > will be lurking for the foreseeable future. > > Fortunately my ability to read everyone's wonderful posts is not > impaired. > > Rodney. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2005 Report Share Posted January 24, 2005 Rodney, I'm so sorry to hear/read this, I very much enjoy reading your posts. I wish a speedy recovery. Dennis -- Try not to be a man of success, but a man of Value. Albert Einstein Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2005 Report Share Posted January 24, 2005 OUCH! Sorry to read this news, Rodney! Heal quickly! I slipped on hard packed ice/snow this morning (idiot that I am I'm wearing clogs to work even in snowstorms). Luckily landed on my elbow on some hard-pack snow with buffering by my coat and so no serious damage ensued. Sorry you were not able to avoid the more serious injury. Thrashers credo: Bones heal; chicks dig scars; pain is temporary-glory is eternal! On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 23:00:39 -0000, Rodney <perspect1111@...> wrote: > > > Hi folks: > > Just to say that today I jumped a small obstacle and landed > unexpectedly on ice, lost my footing and my right shoulder took the > full impact, landing on rock solid ice. Result: a clean break of the > humerus about an inch below the shoulder joint. > > Typing one hand, left-handed, is time consuming until my left arm > and, probably more important, right brain get better trained. So I > will be lurking for the foreseeable future. > > Fortunately my ability to read everyone's wonderful posts is not > impaired. > > Rodney. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2005 Report Share Posted January 24, 2005 Rodney, Sorry to hear about your fall. Not very long ago we were discussing the risks of accidents. I am glad you did not hit your head, that could have been far more serious. My grandfather died as a consequence of tripping and hitting his head. Death did not come immediately, but after many weeks of disablility caused by the fall. Of course, medicine was not what it is today. With regard to having to use your left hand, there may be some benefits to that. About four months ago, I switched my computer mouse to my left side and configured the mouse buttons for a left-handed user. I did this because I had noticed that my right hand tendons were sore from constant use of the computer. By placing the mouse on the left side, I gained two advantages: 1) the pain in my right hand went away, and 2) the mouse on the left side is closer to me and I don't have to extend my arm as far to reach it. Keyboards are designed with a numeric pad on the right, and this requires right-handed persons to reach farther when the mouse is on the right side. It took me two weeks to stop reaching subconciously with the right hand, and I have gained better fine control of the left hand (which helps in playing the guitar). You will learn a lot of one-handed skills. This may be frustrating at times, specially for matters of personal hygiene. Although it will not be as bad for you as for the football player that I saw interviewed on TV who had broken both arms. He said that he had found out who his REAL friends were because he could not take care of these personal matters by himself. I wish you a speedy recovery (about 40 days?!). Tony === http://www.setonresourcecenter.com/Alerts/jan/jan_2003b.htm Main causes of falls: loss of balance using stairs or ladders walking on slippery surfaces tripping or losing footing on uneven ground === http://www.wrongdiagnosis.com/f/falls/intro.htm http://www.wrongdiagnosis.com/f/falls/deaths.htm Deaths from Falls: 15,019 deaths in USA 2001 (CDC); 13,162 deaths reported in USA 1999 (NVSR Sep 2001); 5.0 per 100,000 in Canada 1997 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 Just to point out that I've seen my wife trip and fall, and she rolled up like a ball as she fell, bending knees, butt back, bending at the waist, hitting knees first - for her a natural thing. She ended up skinning elbows, banging a knee but no breaks. Not bad for a 66yo. Some of the experts who teach athletics, should have some words how to practice falling like a gymnast, because it won't be the last time. Regards. ----- Original Message ----- From: Rodney Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 5:00 PM Subject: [ ] Uh oh Hi folks:Just to say that today I jumped a small obstacle and landed unexpectedly on ice, lost my footing and my right shoulder took the full impact, landing on rock solid ice. Result: a clean break of the humerus about an inch below the shoulder joint.Typing one hand, left-handed, is time consuming until my left arm and, probably more important, right brain get better trained. So I will be lurking for the foreseeable future. Fortunately my ability to read everyone's wonderful posts is not impaired.Rodney. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 While I consider practicing how to fall a useful ancillary benefit of participating in sport, I would never suggest that Rodney's injury was somehow avoidable. Once he became ballistic there was probably little he could do to significantly alter the point of contact or velocity. It is a (useful) learned response to "not" attempt to break a fall or impact with relatively fragile appendages, some falls are just beyond mitigation. I routinely go down while playing basketball on concrete without injury but have been also been unlucky enough to suffer a mild concussion from one fall. Fortunately it was on a cushioned wood court, but a heavier player (they're all heavier) stepped on my foot while he was driving to the basket and his forward momentum whipped me down backwards (my joints don't allow me to roll up in that direction :-), smacking my head on the floor hard enough to ring my bell. In the activity vs. couch potato debate, I suspect there is some real benefit in reduction of injuries from late life accidents for the active group. In addition to stronger bones, there is a "way" to fall that can mitigate injury, as JW suggests. I suspect instruction in this is elementary for most martial arts, I vaguely recall something about "tuck and roll" from my Army basic training. I get my practice these days playing ball. My apologies to Rodney for second guessing his recent misfortune, get well. JR -----Original Message-----From: jwwright [mailto:jwwright@...]Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 8:18 PM Subject: Re: [ ] Uh oh Just to point out that I've seen my wife trip and fall, and she rolled up like a ball as she fell, bending knees, butt back, bending at the waist, hitting knees first - for her a natural thing. She ended up skinning elbows, banging a knee but no breaks. Not bad for a 66yo. Some of the experts who teach athletics, should have some words how to practice falling like a gymnast, because it won't be the last time. Regards. ----- Original Message ----- From: Rodney Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 5:00 PM Subject: [ ] Uh oh Hi folks:Just to say that today I jumped a small obstacle and landed unexpectedly on ice, lost my footing and my right shoulder took the full impact, landing on rock solid ice. Result: a clean break of the humerus about an inch below the shoulder joint.Typing one hand, left-handed, is time consuming until my left arm and, probably more important, right brain get better trained. So I will be lurking for the foreseeable future. Fortunately my ability to read everyone's wonderful posts is not impaired.Rodney. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 Hi folks: I much appreciate the input I have gotten here lately, both on and off list. All of it helpful and constructive. I have been struck by my inability to find anywhere any nutrition suggestions for people with broken bones. So I have upped my Ca + D and protein intake (I understand that no one ever suffers a P deficiency). But perhaps it doesn't matter. OTOH perhaps the failure of some fractures to mend may be because of insufficient attention being paid to making sure the body has an adequate supply of raw materials? Rodney. --- In , " " <crjohnr@b...> wrote: > While I consider practicing how to fall a useful ancillary benefit of > participating in sport, I would never suggest that Rodney's injury was > somehow avoidable. Once he became ballistic there was probably little he > could do to significantly alter the point of contact or velocity. > > It is a (useful) learned response to " not " attempt to break a fall or impact > with relatively fragile appendages, some falls are just beyond mitigation. I > routinely go down while playing basketball on concrete without injury but > have been also been unlucky enough to suffer a mild concussion from one > fall. Fortunately it was on a cushioned wood court, but a heavier player > (they're all heavier) stepped on my foot while he was driving to the basket > and his forward momentum whipped me down backwards (my joints don't allow me > to roll up in that direction :-), smacking my head on the floor hard enough > to ring my bell. > > In the activity vs. couch potato debate, I suspect there is some real > benefit in reduction of injuries from late life accidents for the active > group. In addition to stronger bones, there is a " way " to fall that can > mitigate injury, as JW suggests. I suspect instruction in this is elementary > for most martial arts, I vaguely recall something about " tuck and roll " > from my Army basic training. I get my practice these days playing ball. > > My apologies to Rodney for second guessing his recent misfortune, get well. > > JR > > > -----Original Message----- > From: jwwright [mailto:jwwright@e...] > Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 8:18 PM > > Subject: Re: [ ] Uh oh > > > Just to point out that I've seen my wife trip and fall, and she rolled up > like a ball as she fell, bending knees, butt back, bending at the waist, > hitting knees first - for her a natural thing. She ended up skinning elbows, > banging a knee but no breaks. Not bad for a 66yo. Some of the experts who > teach athletics, should have some words how to practice falling like a > gymnast, because it won't be the last time. > > Regards. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Rodney > > Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 5:00 PM > Subject: [ ] Uh oh > > > > Hi folks: > > Just to say that today I jumped a small obstacle and landed > unexpectedly on ice, lost my footing and my right shoulder took the > full impact, landing on rock solid ice. Result: a clean break of the > humerus about an inch below the shoulder joint. > > Typing one hand, left-handed, is time consuming until my left arm > and, probably more important, right brain get better trained. So I > will be lurking for the foreseeable future. > > Fortunately my ability to read everyone's wonderful posts is not > impaired. > > Rodney. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 Two times I broke a bone - once playing touch football which wasn't all that touch. I put my hand out and broke my wrist. So the idea of not putting weak appendages out is good although a natural response. The other time was stepping off a pickup bed and my left foot slipped off the wet edge putting full weight on my right knee which went sideways (acl). A silly mistake, BUT aided by not having the right exercises to strengthen the knee abductors. I learned in physical therapy that men typically don't have adequate abductors, knees or hips. Later when I slipped of a 2" drop-off (another very common mistake), I was able to "run out" of the fall and maintain balance. These rubber shoes have the advantage of gripping, but also grabbing unwanted stuff. But not on ice. The last time I slipped on ice, it was clear and I couldn't see it was ice. We don't expect ice in Houston. I came down on my knees alone first, but didn't fracture anything, although it did hurt long enough for everyone to learn the words in my vocabulary. Suggest folks look at strengthening abductors. Slips can happen without ice. And dam the person who thinks terrazzo is pretty. Regards. ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 9:48 PM Subject: RE: [ ] Uh oh While I consider practicing how to fall a useful ancillary benefit of participating in sport, I would never suggest that Rodney's injury was somehow avoidable. Once he became ballistic there was probably little he could do to significantly alter the point of contact or velocity. It is a (useful) learned response to "not" attempt to break a fall or impact with relatively fragile appendages, some falls are just beyond mitigation. I routinely go down while playing basketball on concrete without injury but have been also been unlucky enough to suffer a mild concussion from one fall. Fortunately it was on a cushioned wood court, but a heavier player (they're all heavier) stepped on my foot while he was driving to the basket and his forward momentum whipped me down backwards (my joints don't allow me to roll up in that direction :-), smacking my head on the floor hard enough to ring my bell. In the activity vs. couch potato debate, I suspect there is some real benefit in reduction of injuries from late life accidents for the active group. In addition to stronger bones, there is a "way" to fall that can mitigate injury, as JW suggests. I suspect instruction in this is elementary for most martial arts, I vaguely recall something about "tuck and roll" from my Army basic training. I get my practice these days playing ball. My apologies to Rodney for second guessing his recent misfortune, get well. JR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 You're fortunate. I smashed my knee many years ago when I slipped on a wet spot in the kitchen. I had to be carted out in an ambulance. The surgeon had to put my knee back together like a jigsaw puzzle. Patella's are very fragile. on 1/25/2005 12:13 PM, jwwright at jwwright@... wrote: > I came down on my knees alone first, but didn't fracture anything, although it > did hurt long enough for everyone to learn the words in my vocabulary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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