Guest guest Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 Thats very interesting,I painted my room with y-shield paint a year ago and I feel worse than before, I did this after buying a shirt that had ~7% silver and and feeling alot better and my thyroid symptoms improving so I had decided to paint my entire room with y-shield paint. Ive been thinking of replacing my walls with mgo board now instead, my reasoning being that maybe absorption of the fields is a better approach than reflection. Im sending you an email -Cristian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 I sleep under the heavy duty faraday canopy from lessemf.com I haven't slept that good in years. It also protects me from the RADAR from the military jets flying above in their practice runs ~ recovery time from the tremors is minutes not hours. Huge effect for me. ________________________________ From: Drasko <cvijovic@...> Sent: Sat, February 13, 2010 2:37:08 PM Subject: Faraday cage Dear all, Have I mentioned some months ago I was very happy with my LaVita gypsum protection boards, and that they don't make a weird feeling known from metal Faraday cages?! Well, I was wrong!!! Indeed, here underground where I have just partial shielding (at the ceiling) LaVita really behaved much better than aluminum plates (I had had to remove them some years ago)... But encouraged by that success of some months ago, meanwhile I made a complete room at another place... It is difficult to explain the night(mare) spent in there! I spent another night with the same result - it could be compared only to some psychoactive drug intake... Would I prefer to sleep near a mobile phone mast or there in the cage - a very difficult choice! So I searched the net and consulted some people including from this Group - to find out the amazing uniformity in findings... Dr. Gruen who participated at this Group also has similar observations, the following is an excerpt from the site that sells his Bioprotect(www.golden-ray.com): .... " If one takes a water sample and puts it into a Faraday cage – for example, a small bottle filled with water and completely wrapped in with some aluminum foil – and exposes it to the radiation of a mobile phone or some or other source of electromagnetic smog, then this water will significantly change its bioenergetical quality. In fact, it will change its quality much more than without the Faraday cage " ... All that has both practical and theoretical implications. Regarding practical, Marc and many of you would agree that the solution is not in measuring and mitigating fields, but in " less conventional " means... But theory concerns me as well... So I assembled this call below and I am starting by forwarding it to this Group. I would appreciate any responses! Best regards, Drasko ------------------------------- There is a rather widely accepted opinion that Electrosensitive people don't tolerate conductive plate shieldings, of a Faraday cage type. Moreover, consent regarding that is more present than regarding toleration against different radiation sources. Such a statement is apparently an absurd as Electrosensitivity should have been sensitivity to electromagnetic fields, and the fields are at least partially mitigated by Faraday cages. (Practically, cage nullifies electric, radio and microwave radiation, while magnetic aspect isn't screened but at most cases magnetic readings keep within limits that are considered " usual " .) Currently we are attempting to collect a work group of researchers and Electrosensitive persons interested in clarification of the issue, whatever the outcome they are advocating might have been. We would appreciate your participation. Please contact Drasko Cvijovic at cvijovic@... would you be interested in preliminary consultations. ---------------------------------- ------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2010 Report Share Posted February 14, 2010 Hello Drasko, the problem is, that we do have three sorts of waves: - the normal transversal waves, we can measure and shield against - the longitudinal waves, which do pass shieldings, and may change their information - the cosmic rays, which are in the TeraHertz region, and com from both the sun and earth. The artificial waves do interfere with the cosmic rays, which we need for living. The longitudinal waves are also in the Terahertz region, and may also interfere with the cosmic rays. The BioProtect card *absorbs* longitudinal waves and normalizes the cosmic rays. Aluminium is a material, rhat blocks transversal waves, but also the cosmic rays. A gizmo is nice, but it is much better to improve the immuun system. So, first bring your own body in order, and a gizmo can take care of the last 10 % of your sensitivity. Not the other way around. Be alaso aware, that *dirty air* is te most pestering element in the whole elektrosmog family. Where electrical fields are hardly measurable, those VLF waves reach much farther, biologically, over greater distances, than theoretically thought. Of course, this goes only for electrosensitives. We do have here two problems: - the waves pass a far greater distance in their biologically property - the electrosensitives may have longer *antennas* in their body to pick them up earlier. One can see this also, that electrosensitives do have different antennas. I mean for different elektrosmog sources different antennas. These antennas may be of a telescopic type, and change in length every day, so the sensibility may change for different sources. *Normal* people do not have those antennas. An example for this is , UK, with the plasma TV of his neighbour. I am not aware that Pual reacts to the fridge, or furnace or other electrical appliances of this neighbour. He mentions only the plasma TV. He we may have *dirty power* as well as *dirty air*. The dirty power may be stopped, when places a Stetzer filter on the plasma TV plug at the neighbour. The antenna cables from TV distribution may also emit a lot of dirty air. It may be a good idea to ground the outer mantle to a *CLEAN* ground. Greetings, Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Norton Faraday cage Dear all, Have I mentioned some months ago I was very happy with my LaVita gypsum protection boards, and that they don't make a weird feeling known from metal Faraday cages?! Well, I was wrong!!! Indeed, here underground where I have just partial shielding (at the ceiling) LaVita really behaved much better than aluminum plates (I had had to remove them some years ago)... But encouraged by that success of some months ago, meanwhile I made a complete room at another place... It is difficult to explain the night(mare) spent in there! I spent another night with the same result - it could be compared only to some psychoactive drug intake... Would I prefer to sleep near a mobile phone mast or there in the cage - a very difficult choice! So I searched the net and consulted some people including from this Group - to find out the amazing uniformity in findings... Dr. Gruen who participated at this Group also has similar observations, the following is an excerpt from the site that sells his Bioprotect(www.golden-ray.com): .... " If one takes a water sample and puts it into a Faraday cage - for example, a small bottle filled with water and completely wrapped in with some aluminum foil - and exposes it to the radiation of a mobile phone or some or other source of electromagnetic smog, then this water will significantly change its bioenergetical quality. In fact, it will change its quality much more than without the Faraday cage " ... All that has both practical and theoretical implications. Regarding practical, Marc and many of you would agree that the solution is not in measuring and mitigating fields, but in " less conventional " means... But theory concerns me as well... So I assembled this call below and I am starting by forwarding it to this Group. I would appreciate any responses! Best regards, Drasko ------------------------------- There is a rather widely accepted opinion that Electrosensitive people don't tolerate conductive plate shieldings, of a Faraday cage type. Moreover, consent regarding that is more present than regarding toleration against different radiation sources. Such a statement is apparently an absurd as Electrosensitivity should have been sensitivity to electromagnetic fields, and the fields are at least partially mitigated by Faraday cages. (Practically, cage nullifies electric, radio and microwave radiation, while magnetic aspect isn't screened but at most cases magnetic readings keep within limits that are considered " usual " .) Currently we are attempting to collect a work group of researchers and Electrosensitive persons interested in clarification of the issue, whatever the outcome they are advocating might have been. We would appreciate your participation. Please contact Drasko Cvijovic at cvijovic@... would you be interested in preliminary consultations. ---------------------------------- ------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2010 Report Share Posted February 14, 2010 Thank you for this explanation. I knew the diodes can give you like a false positive as yet in the end harm you worse b/c they let you feel like your protected but you're not thus getting damaged worse. I forward this to another forum that was asking about diodes. Thanks so much Kris ________________________________ From: charles <charles@...> Sent: Sun, February 14, 2010 4:51:08 AM Subject: Re: Faraday cage Hello Drasko, the problem is, that we do have three sorts of waves: - the normal transversal waves, we can measure and shield against - the longitudinal waves, which do pass shieldings, and may change their information - the cosmic rays, which are in the TeraHertz region, and com from both the sun and earth. The artificial waves do interfere with the cosmic rays, which we need for living. The longitudinal waves are also in the Terahertz region, and may also interfere with the cosmic rays. The BioProtect card *absorbs* longitudinal waves and normalizes the cosmic rays. Aluminium is a material, rhat blocks transversal waves, but also the cosmic rays. A gizmo is nice, but it is much better to improve the immuun system. So, first bring your own body in order, and a gizmo can take care of the last 10 % of your sensitivity. Not the other way around. Be alaso aware, that *dirty air* is te most pestering element in the whole elektrosmog family. Where electrical fields are hardly measurable, those VLF waves reach much farther, biologically, over greater distances, than theoretically thought. Of course, this goes only for electrosensitives. We do have here two problems: - the waves pass a far greater distance in their biologically property - the electrosensitives may have longer *antennas* in their body to pick them up earlier. One can see this also, that electrosensitives do have different antennas. I mean for different elektrosmog sources different antennas. These antennas may be of a telescopic type, and change in length every day, so the sensibility may change for different sources. *Normal* people do not have those antennas. An example for this is , UK, with the plasma TV of his neighbour. I am not aware that Pual reacts to the fridge, or furnace or other electrical appliances of this neighbour. He mentions only the plasma TV. He we may have *dirty power* as well as *dirty air*. The dirty power may be stopped, when places a Stetzer filter on the plasma TV plug at the neighbour. The antenna cables from TV distribution may also emit a lot of dirty air. It may be a good idea to ground the outer mantle to a *CLEAN* ground. Greetings, Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Norton Faraday cage Dear all, Have I mentioned some months ago I was very happy with my LaVita gypsum protection boards, and that they don't make a weird feeling known from metal Faraday cages?! Well, I was wrong!!! Indeed, here underground where I have just partial shielding (at the ceiling) LaVita really behaved much better than aluminum plates (I had had to remove them some years ago)... But encouraged by that success of some months ago, meanwhile I made a complete room at another place... It is difficult to explain the night(mare) spent in there! I spent another night with the same result - it could be compared only to some psychoactive drug intake... Would I prefer to sleep near a mobile phone mast or there in the cage - a very difficult choice! So I searched the net and consulted some people including from this Group - to find out the amazing uniformity in findings... Dr. Gruen who participated at this Group also has similar observations, the following is an excerpt from the site that sells his Bioprotect(www.golden-ray.com): .... " If one takes a water sample and puts it into a Faraday cage - for example, a small bottle filled with water and completely wrapped in with some aluminum foil - and exposes it to the radiation of a mobile phone or some or other source of electromagnetic smog, then this water will significantly change its bioenergetical quality. In fact, it will change its quality much more than without the Faraday cage " ... All that has both practical and theoretical implications. Regarding practical, Marc and many of you would agree that the solution is not in measuring and mitigating fields, but in " less conventional " means... But theory concerns me as well... So I assembled this call below and I am starting by forwarding it to this Group. I would appreciate any responses! Best regards, Drasko ------------------------------- There is a rather widely accepted opinion that Electrosensitive people don't tolerate conductive plate shieldings, of a Faraday cage type. Moreover, consent regarding that is more present than regarding toleration against different radiation sources. Such a statement is apparently an absurd as Electrosensitivity should have been sensitivity to electromagnetic fields, and the fields are at least partially mitigated by Faraday cages. (Practically, cage nullifies electric, radio and microwave radiation, while magnetic aspect isn't screened but at most cases magnetic readings keep within limits that are considered " usual " .) Currently we are attempting to collect a work group of researchers and Electrosensitive persons interested in clarification of the issue, whatever the outcome they are advocating might have been. We would appreciate your participation. Please contact Drasko Cvijovic at cvijovic@... would you be interested in preliminary consultations. ---------------------------------- ------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2010 Report Share Posted February 14, 2010 I have been turning my house into a faraday cage as much as possible. I have one room left where the atomic clock can still receive the signal. And I haven't been able to find the source of the signal yet. My home has aluminum siding and aluminum skirting. It is a mobile home. It also has two aluminum roofs. The aluminum foil experiment mentioned seems misleading. Aluminum is said to reflect outward but also radiate inward. If you have aluminum shielding you must also have a second layer of shielding inside the aluminum. The second layer would be something that can absord and not radiate inward as does the aluminum. I myself use velostat covered with ceramic tile mostly. Then there is one other thing that I have found. It seems that if you have walls and roof shielded against electrosmog then you are exposed to energies that are coming up through the earth. I have one room that is very well shielded and I sleep really deep there. But it is not shielded underneath the floor and I have weird dreams usually just before i wake up. The dreams are too intelligent and can not be coming from within my own self and must be coming from underworld beings and inhabitants. I know how weird that sounds. I have another room where the couch is shielded under the floor with layers of granite and marble incased in concrete and it does a good job of blocking the energies coming from within the earth. I am alos working on a similar slab underneath my bed in the bedroom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2010 Report Share Posted February 14, 2010 Hi Kris, About your message: Thank you for this explanation. I knew the diodes can give you like a false positive as yet in the end harm you worse b/c they let you feel like your protected but you're not thus getting damaged worse. I forward this to another forum that was asking about diodes. Thanks so much Kris The false positive you mention I've experienced myself, with RayGuard.nl (only sold in Europe I think) first I felt better, and after a copple of months worse... But things like that Rayguard or the Bio Protect Card are bio-magnets and no diodes. And there seems so to be a big difference between diodes and bio-magnets. Very interesting information on this matter is written by Tom Anson, I'm copy-pasting from his webpage: http://www.health-essentials.info/index.html There are a number of things that you can do to restore electro-magnetic balance to your body and environment. One of the simplest things you can do to protect yourself from this environment pollution is to wear either a bio-magnet or diode. These should be worn on the left side of the body; and are best if worn over the spleen meridian end point, between the seventh and eighth ribs on the side of the body. Either can be worn by a woman inside her bra; I have special pockets sewn into my pants to hold them. Diodes can also be placed on things like microwave ovens and computers to block the emission of EMFs into your environment. But, the most effective way to use them is simply to wear them. They create a sort of passive buffer between you and EMFs, so that your delicate electro-magnetic balance is not disrupted. Bio-magnets, on the other hand, are a more active sort of protection. Worn on the body, they create a kind of force-field effect around you, shielding you from electro-magnetic pollution in your environment. Not only do they offer excellent protection while being worn, their effects will last for some time after the magnet is withdrawn. A very important word about bio-magnets There are several companies out there marketing magnet products. One of the most popular is Nikken. But, you need to understand something that is very important to your health about Nikken and others of these magnets: They can be very dangerous to your health. Except in very special situations, following very specific protocols, you should always have the negative pole toward you when using a magnet. Negative polarity is very supportive of the body, while inhibiting the proliferation of viruses, anaerobic bacteria and fungi in the body. This is a good thing. Unfortunately, Nikken (and many other bio-magnet manufacturers) use a dual-polarity pattern with their magnets: you get both positive and negative poles on each side of the magnet. This configuration feels great, and seems to offer you the best benefits from your magnets. However, such an arrangement of polarity creates an aggregate positive charge. This creates a very favorable environment for unfriendly bacteria and fungi, viruses — and, some say, cancers. Not a good thing. There are experts — generally employed by these companies — who argue that the dual-polarity model is the best; or, at least, will not hurt you. I beg to differ with them — most strenuously. Here's why: 1) I was experiencing some problems with my low back and asked my chiropractor if he thought using a magnet belt would be of benefit. He said it sounded promising, and suggested I give it a try. Before I got started, he did some muscle testing and found that my polarity had switched; I could not use the magnets as intended. Without giving the matter adequate thought, we decided to try the magnet belt the wrong side out. At first, it seemed to offer me considerable relief, and we were happy with the results. However, over a matter of a couple of weeks, I developed a really serious yeast overgrowth in my gut. It got so bad, I was actually bleeding. After the initial V-8 moment (a thunk on the forehead and a moanful, " We should have thought about this … " ), we switched the belt around to the negative side, added some probiotics to eliminate the yeast build-up, and within a month or so, I was back to normal. 2) My wife's job has her on her feet most of the day. By the end of the day, her feet can sometimes by quite tired and sore. To help with this, someone at work suggested she try some Nikken insoles. Her initial response to them seemed very good. She seemed to have more energy, and her feet felt better at the end of the day. However, a few weeks later, she started coming home from work with an upset stomach. This got progressively worse, until she started coming home and vomiting. Every night. Over a period of a week, the nausea and vomiting became more constant and more wretching, so she went to her doctor to see if she had some sort of liver problem. He ran some tests, but couldn't find anything wrong. By this time, was sick all the time. Really awful. We went to our chiropractor, and he immediately diagnosed her as having a yeast overgrowth in the gut — and the light turned on. We threw out the Nikken insoles, got her on some added probiotics, as well as a homeopathic remedy to knock out the yeast, and before the end of the day, she was feeling much better. I realize these stories are nothing more than anecdotal, but I find the experience compelling. While supporting your body with bio-magnets can be a wonderful thing, you need to stay away from Nikken and other toxic magnet products. To learn how to use magnets safely and effectively, check out Biomagnetic Handbook by Philpott and Sharon Taplin. > > Thank you for this explanation. I knew the diodes can give you like a false positive as yet in the end harm you worse b/c they let you feel like your protected but you're not thus getting damaged worse. I forward this to another forum that was asking about diodes. > Thanks so much > Kris > > > > > ________________________________ > From: charles <charles@...> > > Sent: Sun, February 14, 2010 4:51:08 AM > Subject: Re: Faraday cage > > Hello Drasko, > > the problem is, that we do have three sorts of waves: > > - the normal transversal waves, we can measure and shield against > > - the longitudinal waves, which do pass shieldings, and may change their > information > > - the cosmic rays, which are in the TeraHertz region, and com from both the > sun and earth. > > The artificial waves do interfere with the cosmic rays, which we need for > living. > The longitudinal waves are also in the Terahertz region, and may also > interfere with the cosmic rays. > > The BioProtect card *absorbs* longitudinal waves and normalizes the cosmic > rays. > > Aluminium is a material, rhat blocks transversal waves, but also the cosmic > rays. > > A gizmo is nice, but it is much better to improve the immuun system. > So, first bring your own body in order, and a gizmo can take care of the > last 10 % of your sensitivity. > Not the other way around. > > Be alaso aware, that *dirty air* is te most pestering element in the whole > elektrosmog family. > Where electrical fields are hardly measurable, those VLF waves reach much > farther, biologically, over greater distances, than theoretically thought. > Of course, this goes only for electrosensitives. > > We do have here two problems: > > - the waves pass a far greater distance in their biologically property > - the electrosensitives may have longer *antennas* in their body to pick > them up earlier. > > One can see this also, that electrosensitives do have different antennas. I > mean for different elektrosmog sources different antennas. > These antennas may be of a telescopic type, and change in length every day, > so the sensibility may change for different sources. > *Normal* people do not have those antennas. > > An example for this is , UK, with the plasma TV of his neighbour. > I am not aware that Pual reacts to the fridge, or furnace or other > electrical appliances of this neighbour. > He mentions only the plasma TV. > He we may have *dirty power* as well as *dirty air*. > The dirty power may be stopped, when places a Stetzer filter on the > plasma TV plug at the neighbour. > The antenna cables from TV distribution may also emit a lot of dirty air. > It may be a good idea to ground the outer mantle to a *CLEAN* ground. > > Greetings, > Claessens > member Verband Baubiologie > www.milieuziektes.nl > www.milieuziektes.be > www.hetbitje.nl > checked by Norton > > > > Faraday cage > > > Dear all, > Have I mentioned some months ago I was very happy with my LaVita gypsum > protection boards, and that they don't make a weird feeling known from metal > Faraday cages?! Well, I was wrong!!! > > Indeed, here underground where I have just partial shielding (at the > ceiling) LaVita really behaved much better than aluminum plates (I had had > to remove them some years ago)... > But encouraged by that success of some months ago, meanwhile I made a > complete room at another place... It is difficult to explain the night(mare) > spent in there! I spent another night with the same result - it could be > compared only to some psychoactive drug intake... Would I prefer to sleep > near a mobile phone mast or there in the cage - a very difficult choice! > > So I searched the net and consulted some people including from this > Group - to find out the amazing uniformity in findings... Dr. Gruen who > participated at this Group also has similar observations, the following is > an excerpt from the site that sells his Bioprotect(www.golden-ray.com): > > ... " If one takes a water sample and puts it into a Faraday cage - for > example, a small bottle filled with water and completely wrapped in with > some aluminum foil - and exposes it to the radiation of a mobile phone or > some or other source of electromagnetic smog, then this water will > significantly change its bioenergetical quality. In fact, it will change its > quality much more than without the Faraday cage " ... > > All that has both practical and theoretical implications. Regarding > practical, Marc and many of you would agree that the solution is not in > measuring and mitigating fields, but in " less conventional " means... > But theory concerns me as well... So I assembled this call below and I am > starting by forwarding it to this Group. I would appreciate any responses! > Best regards, > > Drasko > > ------------------------------- > There is a rather widely accepted opinion that Electrosensitive people don't > tolerate conductive plate shieldings, of a Faraday cage type. Moreover, > consent regarding that is more present than regarding toleration against > different radiation sources. > > Such a statement is apparently an absurd as Electrosensitivity should have > been sensitivity to electromagnetic fields, and the fields are at least > partially mitigated by Faraday cages. (Practically, cage nullifies electric, > radio and microwave radiation, while magnetic aspect isn't screened but at > most cases magnetic readings keep within limits that are considered > " usual " .) > > Currently we are attempting to collect a work group of researchers and > Electrosensitive persons interested in clarification of the issue, whatever > the outcome they are advocating might have been. > > We would appreciate your participation. Please contact Drasko Cvijovic at > cvijovic@... would you be interested in preliminary consultations. > > ---------------------------------- > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2010 Report Share Posted February 14, 2010 All electrosensitives should stay away from everything that is magnetic. So, also from all magnetic gizmo's. Greetings, Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Norton Faraday cage > > > Dear all, > Have I mentioned some months ago I was very happy with my LaVita gypsum > protection boards, and that they don't make a weird feeling known from > metal > Faraday cages?! Well, I was wrong!!! > > Indeed, here underground where I have just partial shielding (at the > ceiling) LaVita really behaved much better than aluminum plates (I had had > to remove them some years ago)... > But encouraged by that success of some months ago, meanwhile I made a > complete room at another place... It is difficult to explain the > night(mare) > spent in there! I spent another night with the same result - it could be > compared only to some psychoactive drug intake... Would I prefer to sleep > near a mobile phone mast or there in the cage - a very difficult choice! > > So I searched the net and consulted some people including from this > Group - to find out the amazing uniformity in findings... Dr. Gruen who > participated at this Group also has similar observations, the following is > an excerpt from the site that sells his Bioprotect(www.golden-ray.com): > > ... " If one takes a water sample and puts it into a Faraday cage - for > example, a small bottle filled with water and completely wrapped in with > some aluminum foil - and exposes it to the radiation of a mobile phone or > some or other source of electromagnetic smog, then this water will > significantly change its bioenergetical quality. In fact, it will change > its > quality much more than without the Faraday cage " ... > > All that has both practical and theoretical implications. Regarding > practical, Marc and many of you would agree that the solution is not in > measuring and mitigating fields, but in " less conventional " means... > But theory concerns me as well... So I assembled this call below and I am > starting by forwarding it to this Group. I would appreciate any responses! > Best regards, > > Drasko > > ------------------------------- > There is a rather widely accepted opinion that Electrosensitive people > don't > tolerate conductive plate shieldings, of a Faraday cage type. Moreover, > consent regarding that is more present than regarding toleration against > different radiation sources. > > Such a statement is apparently an absurd as Electrosensitivity should have > been sensitivity to electromagnetic fields, and the fields are at least > partially mitigated by Faraday cages. (Practically, cage nullifies > electric, > radio and microwave radiation, while magnetic aspect isn't screened but at > most cases magnetic readings keep within limits that are considered > " usual " .) > > Currently we are attempting to collect a work group of researchers and > Electrosensitive persons interested in clarification of the issue, > whatever > the outcome they are advocating might have been. > > We would appreciate your participation. Please contact Drasko Cvijovic at > cvijovic@... would you be interested in preliminary consultations. > > ---------------------------------- > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2010 Report Share Posted October 11, 2010 In einer eMail vom 10.10.2010 23:14:41 Westeuropäische Sommerzeit schreibt cvijovic@...: Hi, Kikkie!I don't know if the search already works at , but you might wish to check under the same subject my posting from some year ago, I made the same statement! Metal feeling in the mouth is very typical. I also suggested those who haven't experienced that-to make a simple helmet of aluminum foil and see how unpleasant it is... And reflection is not the issue, i ahve sent a lot of time and money to make a non-reflective shileding, but it makes a similar effect. There are other people on the list, who agree...That is a very desperate aspect as we have to face that meter readings are not fully related to our discomfort. So how to find a shelter? I don't know. But obviously it is not enough to have zero readings. Currently I am trying to find a place physically remote from any emitter, at least to have some good sleep once in a while there...I would like to stay in touch and hear more of your thoughts... Drasko hallo, there is a simple explanation of this phenomenon. Using electroacupuncture I found that even behind a metallic screen, where the measurable waves are greatly dimished, the biological effect is still there, but in a changed way and not at all decreased. This means that something our measuring tool does not register, passes this metallic wall. Through further experimentation it was found, that this are the Tesla waves or scalar waves. They follow different laws of physics and they are addressed by the often discussed neutralizing devices, which therefore cannot be understood by conventional physics. These waves come also into play, when you fix such a neutralizing device to you mobile phone and your symptoms disappear despite the fact that the measurable radiation is unchanged.This shows, that some other radiation than the measurable waves are the cause of the health hazard. Following the discussion here in this group, this revelation is still almost completely ignored. Sorry to say this, but it makes me sad. We will never understand electrosmog correctly without this knowledge. dietrich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2010 Report Share Posted October 11, 2010 The reason why you do not want to use aluminum for shielding is because it reflects inward and not just outward. If you live in a mobile home with aluminum siding that is okay as long as you have shielding on the inside of the home as well. I hear myself being contradicted by someone who provides no reasoning or evidence but is only contradicting people. See: http://berkeley.intel-research.net/arahimi/helmet/ This is a study done that shows that wearing aluminum foil hats actually amplifies certain frequencies that are reserved for use by the government. Wearing aluminum on your head makes the frequencies reflect inward into the mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2010 Report Share Posted October 14, 2010 Hi Drasko I think I might have seen your message re the metallic taste whilst browsing though the old messages some time ago. Glad to find someone with the same experience! (Although obviously not happy for either of us). Since I posted, I took the floor of the cage out, and I must say that the metallic (and general ill feeling) has been better, providing I keep the earthing spike very wet. Which does lead me to wonder whether there's a charge build up of some sort. I've checked the earthing spike with my trifield meter, and the AM radio, and they both 'read' on the spike. The trifield meter shows a pulsating field (which is on all the wiring in the house) and the AM radio buzzes (which it doens't do in the room). When the copper wire from the cage isn't connected to the spike, the spike is 'noise free'. I would also like to go and live somewhere remote, but I have a child who goes to school, so it makes it somewhat difficult. I'd like to stay in touch too. > > Hi, Kikkie!I don't know if the search already works at , but you might wish to check under the same subject my posting from some year ago, I made the same statement! Metal feeling in the mouth is very typical. I also suggested those who haven't experienced that-to make a simple helmet of aluminum foil and see how unpleasant it is... And reflection is not the issue, i ahve sent a lot of time and money to make a non-reflective shileding, but it makes a similar effect. There are other people on the list, who agree...That is a very desperate aspect as we have to face that meter readings are not fully related to our discomfort. So how to find a shelter? I don't know. But obviously it is not enough to have zero readings. Currently I am trying to find a place physically remote from any emitter, at least to have some good sleep once in a while there...I would like to stay in touch and hear more of your thoughts... > Drasko > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2010 Report Share Posted October 14, 2010 Hi Dietrich I have two 'Electro magnetic field protectors (for ELF) that I put infront of my CRT monitor. They apparently work with magnetized wire. I wasn't much into the idea of these non-measurable gadgets (i.e. they make no difference on any meter), but I have to admit that they make a big difference on my being able to sit infront of the PC for bits at a time. Sometimes I've had them in my pajama pockets, and accidentally went to sleep with them, in which case they kept me from sleeping all night. So they definitely also have an effect, in that they emit they're own EMF, but seemingly better than the PC's. > > > In einer eMail vom 10.10.2010 23:14:41 Westeuropäische Sommerzeit schreibt > cvijovic@...: > > Hi, Kikkie!I don't know if the search already works at , but > you might wish to check under the same subject my posting from some year > ago, I made the same statement! Metal feeling in the mouth is very typical. I > also suggested those who haven't experienced that-to make a simple helmet > of aluminum foil and see how unpleasant it is... And reflection is not the > issue, i ahve sent a lot of time and money to make a non-reflective > shileding, but it makes a similar effect. There are other people on the list, who > agree...That is a very desperate aspect as we have to face that meter > readings are not fully related to our discomfort. So how to find a shelter? I > don't know. But obviously it is not enough to have zero readings. Currently I > am trying to find a place physically remote from any emitter, at least to > have some good sleep once in a while there...I would like to stay in touch > and hear more of your thoughts... > Drasko > > > > > hallo, > there is a simple explanation of this phenomenon. Using electroacupuncture > I found that even behind a metallic screen, where the measurable waves are > greatly dimished, the biological effect is still there, but in a changed > way and not at all decreased. This means that something our measuring tool > does not register, passes this metallic wall. Through further > experimentation it was found, that this are the Tesla waves or scalar waves. They follow > different laws of physics and they are addressed by the often discussed > neutralizing devices, which therefore cannot be understood by conventional > physics. > > These waves come also into play, when you fix such a neutralizing device to > you mobile phone and your symptoms disappear despite the fact that the > measurable radiation is unchanged.This shows, that some other radiation than > the measurable waves are the cause of the health hazard. > > Following the discussion here in this group, this revelation is still > almost completely ignored. Sorry to say this, but it makes me sad. We will never > understand electrosmog correctly without this knowledge. > dietrich > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2010 Report Share Posted October 14, 2010 Hi Rixta It seems to block out some signals, not all. My cell doesn't get reception in there, but the FM radio still does. The AM buzz has gone mostly quiet. > > This is an interesting story for me, but for other reasons than for > the people who reacted. I have done several small tests with aluminium > foil and it didn't do anything. I thought that that's because aluminium > is not magnetic (I really know hardly anything about physics). But here > I read that aluminium materials do work. Can anyone explain to me where > this difference comes from? My radio still worked fine wrapped in > aluminium foil... > > Rixta > > Hi all > > > > I am severely sensitive to electromagnetic stress (I think I've always been, but it's worsened so that these last three months I've had to avoid absolutely everything - the computer (try to keep it to no more than 15 minutes per day), hairdryers, the car (although I can't completely stay away from it). I've even had to switch off the fridge at the socket before using it, we're cooking on gas, etc. > > > > Anyway, I built myself a Faraday cage about two months ago. With aluminium insulation sheets, and aluminium fly mesh / screen over the windows. My and my husband's mobile phones both lose signal in there completely (different service providers). The trifield meter shows low readings, and the AM radio (my only 'meter' for higher frequencies is mostly quiet inside (as opposed to very noisy through the rest of the house). > > > > The problem is that after the first few days, I actually started feeling worse in the cage. It's like I can feel radiation reflecting off the walls, and I can also taste the metal in my mouth. And also a feeling of burning in my chest and down my spine (which is my usual EMF symptoms when sitting infront of the PC, etc). > > > > It's all interconnected (ohm meter reads between any two spots) and it's earthed with two earthing spikes. (I have to keep the earthing spike wet all the time, I can feel the difference when it goes dry). > > > > There's a energy saver street lamp right outside the window, I don't know whether it might be 'overloading' the cage, but I also get this feeling during the day when it's not on. > > > > So anyway, since I'm moving soon, I have decided to not redo the Faraday cage in my new house, nor get a canopy, which would be close to my body as well re breathing in metal ions etc. > > > > My question is: I have been thinking of getting metal curtains, like Naturel or ia. But would this not end up giving me the same problem? Will they not just also give of metal ions that I would breath in (or is this limited to certain metals like aluminium?) And would they not also act as an antenna for radiation, especially since most of them are not earthed? > > > > Thanks for any answers! > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2010 Report Share Posted October 14, 2010 Yeah, that was exactly the same for me: better initially and then worse after a while. I still think it might be a charge build-up, it's much better if I keep the earthing spike really wet with a running hosepipe. And also much better since I took out the floor (it's a ground floor room). All in all I think the best solution would be to go and live in the middle of nowhere without any cell/radio/TV reception. But not so easy to do practically. > > puk replies - I tried to sheild from my neighbours dect and wifi by laying > mylar in the roof and sticking reflective window sheild on the windows that > a signal could be picked up by my esmog detector, it stoppped most of the > signal bar the upvc frames, it was great to begin with ie thought id > cracked it feeling, but now I cant sleep at all up stairs, just lie there trying > to ignore the tinitus and wurring sensations in my head, basically lyong > all night awake but with my eyes closed !!!! I rekon I have done the same > causing refelections and thus absorbing more due to lack of escape routes for > the microwaves. I have found a spot elsewhere where I can sleep and > actually enjoy a good dream in the bargain !!!! > > p > > > In a message dated 09/10/2010 16:26:12 GMT Daylight Time, > kirsty.weight@... writes: > > > > > Hi all > > I am severely sensitive to electromagnetic stress (I think I've always > been, but it's worsened so that these last three months I've had to avoid > absolutely everything - the computer (try to keep it to no more than 15 minutes > per day), hairdryers, the car (although I can't completely stay away from > it). I've even had to switch off the fridge at the socket before using it, > we're cooking on gas, etc. > > Anyway, I built myself a Faraday cage about two months ago. With aluminium > insulation sheets, and aluminium fly mesh / screen over the windows. My > and my husband's mobile phones both lose signal in there completely > (different service providers). The trifield meter shows low readings, and the AM > radio (my only 'meter' for higher frequencies is mostly quiet inside (as > opposed to very noisy through the rest of the house). > > The problem is that after the first few days, I actually started feeling > worse in the cage. It's like I can feel radiation reflecting off the walls, > and I can also taste the metal in my mouth. And also a feeling of burning > in my chest and down my spine (which is my usual EMF symptoms when sitting > infront of the PC, etc). > > It's all interconnected (ohm meter reads between any two spots) and it's > earthed with two earthing spikes. (I have to keep the earthing spike wet all > the time, I can feel the difference when it goes dry). > > There's a energy saver street lamp right outside the window, I don't know > whether it might be 'overloading' the cage, but I also get this feeling > during the day when it's not on. > > So anyway, since I'm moving soon, I have decided to not redo the Faraday > cage in my new house, nor get a canopy, which would be close to my body as > well re breathing in metal ions etc. > > My question is: I have been thinking of getting metal curtains, like > Naturel or ia. But would this not end up giving me the same problem? Will > they not just also give of metal ions that I would breath in (or is this > limited to certain metals like aluminium?) And would they not also act as an > antenna for radiation, especially since most of them are not earthed? > > Thanks for any answers! > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2011 Report Share Posted September 4, 2011 I feel sorry for you I too suffer I have to sleep elsewhere apart from my marital bed upstairs as there is to much wifi and dect cutting through the second floor - the whole issue of sleep and ES is a complex one, I get the best sleep when I go to Norway and sleep in a basement, but even in the remote mountains I have trouble but the clue is in the fact that it gets a mobile signal and probably TV/FM and sattelite - Each night as it comes I guess. puk In a message dated 04/09/2011 04:34:37 GMT Daylight Time, xyzxyz12311@... writes: Hello It does stop when I step outside. I can stop it by humming OMM, but can't do that all night :-) xyz > > perhaps its your own bodies frequency bouncing off the walls ? who knows ? > > > In a message dated 03/09/2011 19:30:53 GMT Daylight Time, > xyzxyz12311@... writes: > > > > > Hello There > I have spent the summer sleeping in the camper because I cant stand being > in the house. Fairly soon I will have to go back in. > > I have covered 3 walls of the bedroom with aluminum foil and grounded it > outside the way Kikkie did. > > I did hear a low rumbling noise like a diesel engine in the bedroom, that > is now gone, but there is now a high frequency noise. That noise actually > feels good but the energy is pushy and keeps me awake, more or less > permanently awake. > > I have also made a plug so I can unplug almost all of the electricity in > the walls around the bedroom. > > Any idea of what this higher frequency is? There seems to be no way to > escape it. I don't have any test equip. except an AM radio. > > I live in the country and there are very few people around, but are in a > microwave corridor to feed people to the north. > > Could someone please give me a few ideas, > > Thanks xyz > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2011 Report Share Posted September 4, 2011 look up pure tones on the net or check out citizens for safe technology website In a message dated 04/09/2011 04:31:15 GMT Daylight Time, xyzxyz12311@... writes: Hi Bill It does have foil on the ceiling built into the insulation, it was grounded to the ceiling light but I moved it away in-case it was getting some noise from the electrical system? My camper has metal on all 6 sides. I also go to the cottage and after I am there a few days the high frequency goes away. How would i get a piece of tin 16 inches wide out of the house to get a ground? I have it grounded outside but with 2 wires. Yes I have used a battery, flashlight bulb and wire and there is good conductivety across the seams. Thanks xyz > > > ** > > > > > > Hello There > > I have spent the summer sleeping in the camper because I cant stand being > > in the house. Fairly soon I will have to go back in. > > > > I have covered 3 walls of the bedroom with aluminum foil and grounded it > > outside the way Kikkie did. > > > > I did hear a low rumbling noise like a diesel engine in the bedroom, that > > is now gone, but there is now a high frequency noise. That noise actually > > feels good but the energy is pushy and keeps me awake, more or less > > permanently awake. > > > > I have also made a plug so I can unplug almost all of the electricity in > > the walls around the bedroom. > > > > Any idea of what this higher frequency is? There seems to be no way to > > escape it. I don't have any test equip. except an AM radio. > > > > I live in the country and there are very few people around, but are in a > > microwave corridor to feed people to the north. > > > > Could someone please give me a few ideas, > > > > Thanks xyz > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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