Guest guest Posted November 9, 2005 Report Share Posted November 9, 2005 snoshoe_2 wrote: > I never saw such a thing before, but it was at the bottom of the page > I was posting on in the ads, and I clicked it. > > Perla was just talking about using the Himalayan salts recently. > > I like just looking at their photo, think I'll get one to try asap. I > have asthma too. I bought one of these salt lamps a year or two ago, placed it next to my computer, and within minutes I found it extremely agitating. Of course, I'm sure that some people benefit from these, but not me... Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2005 Report Share Posted November 9, 2005 Did you happen to try it in another area, far from the pc? Just curious, because I know putting things near it seems to change how beneficial or not it is sometimes. Maybe a combination of frequencies making a bothersome one, I don't know. Thought of something I can try in the meantime. I put a metal tea candle holder with an oil/potpourri dish on it on top of the propane heater with sea salt in it. When it gets warm enough, it should have the same effect as they talked about on the salt lamp page. Just might not be as constant, or near as strong, but if I can have negative ions produced w/o adding electricity to do it, it's a plus. ~ Snoshoe > > I bought one of these salt lamps a year or two ago, placed it next > to my computer, and within minutes I found it extremely agitating. > Of course, I'm sure that some people benefit from these, but not > me... > > Marc > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2005 Report Share Posted November 9, 2005 > Did you happen to try it in another area, far from the pc? I didn't experiment much with it. Being by the PC is the only thing which really gives me problems, so if it didn't work there, there was really no other useful place for it for me. Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2005 Report Share Posted December 15, 2005 Yeah, we have heard those fairy tales also. Greetings, Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Norton Antivirus Salt lamps Hi everybody, Has anyone heard about salt lamps? They are said to give off negative ions which should be very good for the health. Among the things they are said to " cure " is electrosensitivity. Has anybody heard of this? Torbjorn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2005 Report Share Posted December 15, 2005 > Has anyone heard about salt lamps? They are said to give off negative ions > which should be very good for the health. Among the things they are said to > ”cure” is electrosensitivity. > Has anybody heard of this? I bought one of these salt lamps, put it next to my computer, and it made me feel *worse*, not better! Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2005 Report Share Posted December 15, 2005 Hi, Have not tried them myself, do use salt crystals and they help balance me rather quick, chakra's or nerve centers i mean. A healer i once went to used some kinda ionizer and i wonder if they are not rather to be used used when you do healing work, than put next to the computer? Would pick up one of these lamps if i came across one here and see for myself. Love and Light charles <charles@...> wrote: Yeah, we have heard those fairy tales also. Greetings, Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Norton Antivirus Salt lamps Hi everybody, Has anyone heard about salt lamps? They are said to give off negative ions which should be very good for the health. Among the things they are said to " cure " is electrosensitivity. Has anybody heard of this? Torbjorn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2005 Report Share Posted December 15, 2005 On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 16:02:34 +0100, Torbjörn Lindblom wrote: >Has anyone heard about salt lamps? They are said to give off negative ions >which should be very good for the health. Among the things they are said to >cure is electrosensitivity. >Has anybody heard of this? I noticed no effect whatsoever after putting two large ones next to my computer. Also can't notice any air-cleansing effect. I think the negative ion output is virtually neglectable.. Curing electrosensitivity with these salt lamps truly seems a fairy tale to me. Ed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2005 Report Share Posted December 17, 2005 Hello, to clarify, wether these qualities of a salt lamp are fairy tales or real I did some testing with electroacupuncture. The results are: 1. A salt lamp, when switched on, has a significant positive effect on the system of meridians, which disappears, when you cover the lamp with a blanket, that blocks the light completely off. This effect is about the same at a distance of 2 m and 4 m. 2. If you put your mobile on, having it close to your body, no negative effect will show as long as the lamp is at a distance of 2 m, some negative effect will show at the distance of 4 m, and the full negative effect does show, when you put the blanket around the salt lamp blocking the light off completely. From this simple observation you can draw several interesting conclusions about light, salt crystals and the nature of the radiation that causes the so called electrosmog. Now the question arises, why several people in this list do not experience this beneficial effect using salt lamps. I think, this is a question of resonance. At a greater distance the e-smog neutralizing effect of the salt lamp disappears in the above experiment. Working with electrosensitive people I have seen, that something that works for me at a distance ot 15 m for them will work only at a much shorter distance or even not at all. It is as if that what causes the negative effect is drawn to them much stronger than to the electrosmog neutralizing agent. And this attraction depends also on distance. I have seen this law of resonance also in many other experiments with electrosmog, that would be to long do describe here. At least this law of resonance, that has been discovered by Nikola Tesla for his Tesla waves more than 100 years ago might explain, why different people react so differently towards EMF. I hope, this will give some glimpses on the real nature of electrosmog. dietrich In einer eMail vom 15.12.2005 16:17:20 (MEZ) Mitteleuropäische Zeit schreibt charles@...: > Yeah, we have heard those fairy tales also. > > > Greetings, > Claessens > member Verband Baubiologie > www.milieuziektes.nl > www.milieuziektes.be > www.hetbitje.nl > checked by Norton Antivirus > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2005 Report Share Posted December 17, 2005 An alternative possibility might be to look at it this way. Electrosensitivity and electrosmog are not blanket effects; different frequencies seem to affect different people. A salt crystal will have a particular structure which would tend to absorb (and re-radiate) certain frequencies, but not others. If a mobile is emitting one of these frequencies, and a person is sensitive to it, and the salt lamp absorbs that frequency, then it will help that person. Otherwise, there is no perceived effect. I wonder if there is an analogy to allergies. Some people are allergic to peanuts, others to milk, and some people to a wide range of things (especially if you have MCS etc). Maybe the same is true of electromagnetic wave frequencies. Most of Sue’s symptoms are echoed by someone or other in this group, but the one unique thing that I have not heard anyone else say they have experienced is her sensitivity to a particular type of street light – note, it is to the e-m radiation generated by the light, and not the light itself, as we proved by using blackout curtains. Maybe this is her unique “peanut allergy factor”! Of course, she is sensitive to lots of other frequencies that give other people problems, and I believe the most commonly reported of all is mains power frequency (50 Hz in the UK). Cyril , previously at the University of Salford, has tried over the years to measure the actual frequencies that people are sensitive to and provide “doctored water” that aims to neutralize this. I believe it may also be the idea behind some electrical machines used in alternative medicine. However, it seems difficult to make it work reliably in practice – at least from our experience. Ian _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Gruendg@... Sent: 17 December 2005 21:02 Subject: Re: Salt lamps Hello, to clarify, wether these qualities of a salt lamp are fairy tales or real I did some testing with electroacupuncture. The results are: 1. A salt lamp, when switched on, has a significant positive effect on the system of meridians, which disappears, when you cover the lamp with a blanket, that blocks the light completely off. This effect is about the same at a distance of 2 m and 4 m. 2. If you put your mobile on, having it close to your body, no negative effect will show as long as the lamp is at a distance of 2 m, some negative effect will show at the distance of 4 m, and the full negative effect does show, when you put the blanket around the salt lamp blocking the light off completely. From this simple observation you can draw several interesting conclusions about light, salt crystals and the nature of the radiation that causes the so called electrosmog. Now the question arises, why several people in this list do not experience this beneficial effect using salt lamps. I think, this is a question of resonance. At a greater distance the e-smog neutralizing effect of the salt lamp disappears in the above experiment. Working with electrosensitive people I have seen, that something that works for me at a distance ot 15 m for them will work only at a much shorter distance or even not at all. It is as if that what causes the negative effect is drawn to them much stronger than to the electrosmog neutralizing agent. And this attraction depends also on distance. I have seen this law of resonance also in many other experiments with electrosmog, that would be to long do describe here. At least this law of resonance, that has been discovered by Nikola Tesla for his Tesla waves more than 100 years ago might explain, why different people react so differently towards EMF. I hope, this will give some glimpses on the real nature of electrosmog. dietrich In einer eMail vom 15.12.2005 16:17:20 (MEZ) Mitteleuropäische Zeit schreibt charles@...: > Yeah, we have heard those fairy tales also. > > > Greetings, > Claessens > member Verband Baubiologie > www.milieuziektes.nl > www.milieuziektes.be > www.hetbitje.nl > checked by Norton Antivirus > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2005 Report Share Posted December 18, 2005 Hi again, Ian, Has Sue tried this water? You wrote that it hasn't worked for " us " . So you think also this will not continue to work longterm? Did Sue see a difference, short term? I thank both you and Marc for your input. Even tho I think the water is really helping me alot, I may hold out on buying the water machine until I have taken the restructuring drops longer. I appreciate the info. Thanks. Diane aka Mia/Evie Ian Kemp <ianandsue.kemp@...> wrote: Cyril , previously at the University of Salford, has tried over the years to measure the actual frequencies that people are sensitive to and provide “doctored water” that aims to neutralize this. I believe it may also be the idea behind some electrical machines used in alternative medicine. However, it seems difficult to make it work reliably in practice – at least from our experience. __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2005 Report Share Posted December 18, 2005 My 2 cent. First of all, longitudinal waves do not shrink with the distance. Magnetic and electrical fields do shrink rapidly with distance. Electromagnetic fields like those from mobile phone masts may go over a longer distance, say several kilometers. Electrosensible people may react to fields so low, which are hardly measurable. I do know of people who also react to street lights, even in daytime, when they are not lighting! As I wrote earlier, I could not measure an increase of negative air-ions from those lamps made of Himalaya salt. That statement only states the fact, that no negative air-ions come out of it. It does not implicate other phenomena, like the fact that the lamp consists of a cristal. We all know by now, that cristals do have an effect on radiation of electrosmog. They may help, but after a while, they soak up the negative information, and tahn start emitting that negative information. As we have experienced with some gadgets, like the BioElectrical Shield. This worked perfectly for a while, and then started emitting. The BioElectrical Shield must then be *cleaned* by hanging it in the sunlight, or placing it on a Purple Plate. And yes, everybody reacts in a different way. Electrosmog attacks first the weakest part of your body, which is for everybody different. This stands apart from the early warning signs like sleep disorder, constant headache, constant tiredness, etc. And yes, I have also found that frequencies in the mains electricity are disturbing. The Norm EN 50160 regulates the current from 0 Hz up to 1250 Hz or 1.25 kHz. The Norm EN 55011-22 regulates the current from 150 kHz up to 30 MHz. So, between 1.25 kHz and 150 kHz, there is a very gray area, without a norm, and where everybody can place their *dirt*. I found mostly around 30 kHz disturbing signals, coming from outside, but also from *home-made* things like halogen lamps, faxes, etc. *Doctored water* is also available overhere. www.nulpuntenergie.net/dng/donave.htm It is called Donave water. Many frequencies and information are added to this water. A few drops may let you make many liters of *doctored water*. Greetings, Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Norton Antivirus Re: Salt lamps Hello, to clarify, wether these qualities of a salt lamp are fairy tales or real I did some testing with electroacupuncture. The results are: 1. A salt lamp, when switched on, has a significant positive effect on the system of meridians, which disappears, when you cover the lamp with a blanket, that blocks the light completely off. This effect is about the same at a distance of 2 m and 4 m. 2. If you put your mobile on, having it close to your body, no negative effect will show as long as the lamp is at a distance of 2 m, some negative effect will show at the distance of 4 m, and the full negative effect does show, when you put the blanket around the salt lamp blocking the light off completely. From this simple observation you can draw several interesting conclusions about light, salt crystals and the nature of the radiation that causes the so called electrosmog. Now the question arises, why several people in this list do not experience this beneficial effect using salt lamps. I think, this is a question of resonance. At a greater distance the e-smog neutralizing effect of the salt lamp disappears in the above experiment. Working with electrosensitive people I have seen, that something that works for me at a distance ot 15 m for them will work only at a much shorter distance or even not at all. It is as if that what causes the negative effect is drawn to them much stronger than to the electrosmog neutralizing agent. And this attraction depends also on distance. I have seen this law of resonance also in many other experiments with electrosmog, that would be to long do describe here. At least this law of resonance, that has been discovered by Nikola Tesla for his Tesla waves more than 100 years ago might explain, why different people react so differently towards EMF. I hope, this will give some glimpses on the real nature of electrosmog. dietrich In einer eMail vom 15.12.2005 16:17:20 (MEZ) Mitteleuropäische Zeit schreibt charles@...: > Yeah, we have heard those fairy tales also. > > > Greetings, > Claessens > member Verband Baubiologie > www.milieuziektes.nl > www.milieuziektes.be > www.hetbitje.nl > checked by Norton Antivirus > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2006 Report Share Posted January 20, 2006 Hi, My e-mails now tend to disappear or take 4 hours to show up, try again.. Read that the salt lamp is different from an ionizer, because it can only have AN IONIZING EFFECT (caps lock toches are often accidental) Here is a quote that i think may explain Marcs symptoms: --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------------------ If the lamp is next to a television or computer monitor, it's effect, through its electromagnetic field, of the device is in approximately the 100-160 Hz zone. Our brain waves however, produce only 8 Hz according to the Schumann resonance frequency. Therefore, the body is exposed to up to 20 times higher frequency patterns than it is generally used to. The consequences of this exposure results in nervousness, insomnia and lack of concentration or concentration weaknesses. In addition, there will be an accumulation of more free radicals in the body, known to be a cause of cancer. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------------------ (from the life-enthusiast coop site) Oh in the mail that may appear i wrote that i lost the safe space, untrue i found it, it is now two pieces of paper.. wonder if the holder had anything to do, it had metal and i could feel it, well i put it in the tachyonholder behind the computer.. maybe glue them back what was the front, oh intuit) As always, It aint what you do it's the way that you do it as always intuit Love Ps i do not mean to kick looking for scientific solutions, the choice is not science-spirituality, it is love-fear. Just think the path of explaining every lil process in the body and then every influence from the outside world and what not this while the body is ascending (and in very stage must have different processes happen) seems so much harder then opening up the heart.. and shielding is ok, but there is no hiding place from the father of creation, so you have to do the work..) Gruendg@... wrote: Hello, to clarify, wether these qualities of a salt lamp are fairy tales or real I did some testing with electroacupuncture. The results are: 1. A salt lamp, when switched on, has a significant positive effect on the system of meridians, which disappears, when you cover the lamp with a blanket, that blocks the light completely off. This effect is about the same at a distance of 2 m and 4 m. 2. If you put your mobile on, having it close to your body, no negative effect will show as long as the lamp is at a distance of 2 m, some negative effect will show at the distance of 4 m, and the full negative effect does show, when you put the blanket around the salt lamp blocking the light off completely. From this simple observation you can draw several interesting conclusions about light, salt crystals and the nature of the radiation that causes the so called electrosmog. Now the question arises, why several people in this list do not experience this beneficial effect using salt lamps. I think, this is a question of resonance. At a greater distance the e-smog neutralizing effect of the salt lamp disappears in the above experiment. Working with electrosensitive people I have seen, that something that works for me at a distance ot 15 m for them will work only at a much shorter distance or even not at all. It is as if that what causes the negative effect is drawn to them much stronger than to the electrosmog neutralizing agent. And this attraction depends also on distance. I have seen this law of resonance also in many other experiments with electrosmog, that would be to long do describe here. At least this law of resonance, that has been discovered by Nikola Tesla for his Tesla waves more than 100 years ago might explain, why different people react so differently towards EMF. I hope, this will give some glimpses on the real nature of electrosmog. dietrich In einer eMail vom 15.12.2005 16:17:20 (MEZ) Mitteleuropäische Zeit schreibt charles@...: > Yeah, we have heard those fairy tales also. > > > Greetings, > Claessens > member Verband Baubiologie > www.milieuziektes.nl > www.milieuziektes.be > www.hetbitje.nl > checked by Norton Antivirus > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2006 Report Share Posted January 20, 2006 >If the lamp is next to a television or computer monitor, >it's effect, through its electromagnetic field, of the device >is in approximately the 100-160 Hz zone. Our brain waves however, >produce only 8 Hz according to the Schumann resonance frequency. >Therefore, the body is exposed to up to 20 times higher frequency >patterns than it is generally used to. The consequences >of this exposure results in nervousness, insomnia and lack of >concentration or concentration weaknesses. Yes, I recall that when I had the salt lamp turned on next to my computer monitor, my reaction was anxiety. So I guess the proper use of this lamp is to keep it away from computers and televisions. Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2006 Report Share Posted December 6, 2006 taylorjm wrote: > Have any of you tried Himalayan Salt lamps? > > I had two, with candles burning last night and this > morning feel quite well, so was wondering if it is > the lamps or - who knows what else. They are supposed to emit negative ions, which could make you feel better. I tried one once, which had a tiny light bulb in it (instead of candles), and when I put it next to the computer, I found it quite agitating... Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2006 Report Share Posted December 6, 2006 I have measured some Himalayan Salt lamps, but could not measure any negative air ions. Greetings, Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Norton Antivirus Re: salt lamps > taylorjm wrote: >> Have any of you tried Himalayan Salt lamps? >> >> I had two, with candles burning last night and this > > morning feel quite well, so was wondering if it is > > the lamps or - who knows what else. > > They are supposed to emit negative ions, which could > make you feel better. I tried one once, which had > a tiny light bulb in it (instead of candles), and > when I put it next to the computer, I found it > quite agitating... > > Marc > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2006 Report Share Posted December 6, 2006 Hi folks: Sigh... I am gonna offer my take on this one (although I usually prefer to avoid debunking every piece of mythology which comes along), only because these claims have become very widespread in the past 12 months and because I am asked this same question at least once per week. Here goes: Despite the claims made by some vendors (one of my consulting clients -- who is also a friend -- recently started selling these things, and I have heard similar vague claims from him...), I can see no possible mechanism whereby the lamps could or would emit signifiant amounts of negative ions into the air, and, if they did emit a few negative ions, their count would be equally counterbalanced by the emission of an equal quantity of positive ions as well. And, I have received verbal reports from two people who (like ) have tried to measure the so-called " negative-on emission " from these lamps with equipment and found nothing. I believe that these vendors (the ones making the claims) are likely seriously misled or deluded (not a hard state in which to be if you are not a trained engineer or scientist) on these matters, and thus my view is that their claims are lacking accuracy and veracity as well as credibility, and I DO find it interesting that NONE of these vendors offer any solid measurements on the negative ion emissions (i.e., rate,volume, capacity, equipment used, etc.) on their websites (thus the lack of credibility.) By the way, it is entirely possible for certain materials, notably some manmade " antioxidant " ceramics from Asia (I have over ten kilograms of them in my laboratory, imported from China) to emit negative ions into air or water, but any reputable manufacturer/vendor (including the factory which produced the ceramic materils which I have in my lab) will disclose full specs on the material, including the amount of negative ions which the material can be expected to release, often disclosed as the number of anions (positive ions) per square cm of surface are (of the material) which the material will attract and absorb (and, in effect, remove from the air, thus increasing the proprotion of negative ions in the air.) Oh, and these materials usually do not experience really long lifetimes for their negative ion effects, but rather, much like zeolite, they eventually get " used up " and the mechanism slows to a crawl and then stops. I have never seen any evidence that rock salt will do this, even for a short period. Of course, it is possible that other claims made by the vendors of salt lamps -- i.e., that the lamps emit a soothing energy or " feel " or maybe even soothing subtle energies -- maybe true, at least for some users! These things are more sujective and not so easily measured with equipment! And, my personal opinion is that the glow of the lamps looks great! with care, --Vinny At 12:44 PM 12/6/2006, you wrote: >I have measured some Himalayan Salt lamps, but could not measure any >negative air ions. >Greetings, > Claessens >member Verband Baubiologie >www.milieuziektes.nl >www.milieuziektes.be >www.hetbitje.nl >checked by Norton Antivirus > > > Re: salt lamps > > > > taylorjm wrote: > >> Have any of you tried Himalayan Salt lamps? > >> > >> I had two, with candles burning last night and this > > > morning feel quite well, so was wondering if it is > > > the lamps or - who knows what else. > > > > They are supposed to emit negative ions, which could > > make you feel better. I tried one once, which had > > a tiny light bulb in it (instead of candles), and > > when I put it next to the computer, I found it > > quite agitating... > > > > Marc > > > Vinny Pinto vinny@... phone 301-694-1249 To see my informational websites and e-mail list groups, please go to: http://www.vinnypinto.us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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