Re: Stetzer Filters

[Guest guest]

> Hello. I can't find anything on my computer. I'm trying to find the

> best place to buy stetzer filters. Anybody have a link?

Stetzer filters can be purchased at:

http://stetzerelectric.com/

http://lessemf.com/suppress.html

http://www.blockemf.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=747 & products_id=4866

> Also looking to buy another one of those 59 dollar power strips.

> Can't find that site either.

The Quantum Power Strip? That can be bought at:

http://quantumproducts.com/catalog/quantum_power.html

http://www.natural-stress-reduction.com/quantumproductspowerconditioners.html

http://advancedliving.com/productCat47234.ctlg

Marc

[Guest guest]

Thanks for answering. btw. I will now have 30 filters total in my home. thats

a lot for a small mobile home.

Re: stetzer filters

> Hello. I can't find anything on my computer. I'm trying to find the

> best place to buy stetzer filters. Anybody have a link?

Stetzer filters can be purchased at:

http://stetzerelectric.com/

http://lessemf.com/suppress.html

http://www.blockemf.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=747 & products_id=4866

> Also looking to buy another one of those 59 dollar power strips.

> Can't find that site either.

The Quantum Power Strip? That can be bought at:

http://quantumproducts.com/catalog/quantum_power.html

http://www.natural-stress-reduction.com/quantumproductspowerconditioners.html

http://advancedliving.com/productCat47234.ctlg

Marc

[Guest guest]

> As I stated before, Shivani cannot read German text, so it is of no use for

> her that I send some German papers.

I suppose that if you have German papers, you could send them to

Shivani anyway, and she could pay someone to translate them into

English for her (there are people who do that, after all!)

However, her interest in defending the Stetzer filters does seem

to go beyond what a typical ES person would do. I guess that

may be because she is in close contact with the manufacturer, and

also because she sells Stetzer filters on her website.

Marc

[Guest guest]

Hi Marc:

I too have been more than a bit puzzled at the ferocity and

zelousness which Shivani has attacked (and tried to reframe

or twist his words and intentions) for his report and attacked Marc

on related issues (i.e., and the European Stetzer filters)

and also tried to reframe or twist his (to me, very straightforward

and honest) behavior in this matter, as I had never realized that

Shivani was a vendor of any products. Then, last night, a list member

advised me that Shivani has a business which sells Stetzer filters,

and it kinda clicked into place for me. This fact, coupled with the

attacks, raises further credibility issues for me about Shivani's posts.

with care,

--Vinny

At 10:02 AM 12/7/2006, you wrote:

> > As I stated before, Shivani cannot read German text, so it is of

> no use for

> > her that I send some German papers.

>

>I suppose that if you have German papers, you could send them to

>Shivani anyway, and she could pay someone to translate them into

>English for her (there are people who do that, after all!)

>

>However, her interest in defending the Stetzer filters does seem

>to go beyond what a typical ES person would do. I guess that

>may be because she is in close contact with the manufacturer, and

>also because she sells Stetzer filters on her website.

>

>Marc

Vinny Pinto

vinny@...

phone 301-694-1249

To see my informational websites and e-mail list groups, please go to:

http://www.vinnypinto.us

[Guest guest]

To state it again.

I am not going to send any papers.

I am not going into discussions.

Why is Shivani in the USA interested in European versions of these filters?

Does she want to sell to Europe?

Does she know what types of wall plugs we have overhere?

Does she know the regulations of KEMA, VDE, CEBEC, etc.?

If Stetzer sees any problems, he can contact Bajog directly.

They know english also.

Greetings,

Claessens

member Verband Baubiologie

www.milieuziektes.nl

www.milieuziektes.be

www.hetbitje.nl

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Re: Stetzer filters

>> As I stated before, Shivani cannot read German text, so it is of no use

>> for

>> her that I send some German papers.

>

> I suppose that if you have German papers, you could send them to

> Shivani anyway, and she could pay someone to translate them into

> English for her (there are people who do that, after all!)

>

> However, her interest in defending the Stetzer filters does seem

> to go beyond what a typical ES person would do. I guess that

> may be because she is in close contact with the manufacturer, and

> also because she sells Stetzer filters on her website.

>

> Marc

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi :

This is just a brief note to thank you and Marc and several other

list members for the informative and interesting and fun discussions

which we have had over the past few months here. I will be scaling

back my list presence as of this morning by switching to web-only

access for posts, although I hope to stop by the site home page and

skim messages occasionally, and thus I will be far less active on

this list from this point onward. This shift in my degree of presence

has been occasioned largely by two factors:

* I need to start preparing for an upcoming consulting trip to

Asia at the end of the month

* Some events which I have been witnessing on this list where

non-technically-qualified members -- often persons with their own

(often bizarre) hidden or covert personal agendas -- tend to try to

override discussions or push their agendas with over-zealousness,

including to the point of attacking or " baiting " other list members

(the primarly target seems to be yourself, but I have seen potshots

at Marc and myself as well!) I manage fifteen public list groups

myself, and I would rather confine my efforts to those list groups at

this time!

I thank you for your fine participation and posts, and I thank Marc

for his noble and always-patient efforts in managing this list group!

I wish you all the best with your projects and your health and well-being!

with care,

--Vinny

At 01:56 PM 12/7/2006, you wrote:

>To state it again.

>

>I am not going to send any papers.

>I am not going into discussions.

>Why is Shivani in the USA interested in European versions of these filters?

>Does she want to sell to Europe?

>Does she know what types of wall plugs we have overhere?

>Does she know the regulations of KEMA, VDE, CEBEC, etc.?

>

>If Stetzer sees any problems, he can contact Bajog directly.

>They know english also.

>

>Greetings,

> Claessens

>member Verband Baubiologie

>www.milieuziektes.nl

>www.milieuziektes.be

>www.hetbitje.nl

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>

>

>-- Original Message -----

>From: " Marc " <marc@...>

>< >

>Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 16:02

>Subject: Re: Stetzer filters

>

>

> >> As I stated before, Shivani cannot read German text, so it is of no use

> >> for

> >> her that I send some German papers.

> >

> > I suppose that if you have German papers, you could send them to

> > Shivani anyway, and she could pay someone to translate them into

> > English for her (there are people who do that, after all!)

> >

> > However, her interest in defending the Stetzer filters does seem

> > to go beyond what a typical ES person would do. I guess that

> > may be because she is in close contact with the manufacturer, and

> > also because she sells Stetzer filters on her website.

> >

> > Marc

> >

Vinny Pinto

vinny@...

phone 301-694-1249

To see my informational websites and e-mail list groups, please go to:

http://www.vinnypinto.us

[Guest guest]

> It's not the microwave reading which usually shows on 0-1. It's the

> magnetic range that goes over the top and spikes high on the it when

> the electrics are off at the mains.

>

> Can you tell me how the steltzer filters work and could I fit one of

> these myself?

If the fields you are trying to eliminate are high even when the

power is turned off at the mains, I don't think the Stetzer filters

are going to help. You're going to need some type of shielding around

you, or perhaps one of the EMF protection devices that emits a

counteracting field (e.g. Quantum Products)

Marc

[Guest guest]

Thank your all for your replies.

I believe there's a combination of problems here as it fluctuates so much.

When I turn the electrics off at the mains sometimes it drops a lot on the

meter, but then keeps spiking up to and down at regular intervals, which

leads me to think that something is running in the vincinity to cause this.

At other times the emf remains at a steady high on the meter. But it

fluctuates and is not like this all the time. Thank God..

Can you recommend a Quantum product that may be helpful. I believe

the Tesla watch was helpful but the battery has run down and I've

mislaid the document that came with it.

Maureen

Re: stetzer filters

> > It's not the microwave reading which usually shows on 0-1. It's the

> > magnetic range that goes over the top and spikes high on the it when

> > the electrics are off at the mains.

> >

> > Can you tell me how the steltzer filters work and could I fit one of

> > these myself?

>

> If the fields you are trying to eliminate are high even when the

> power is turned off at the mains, I don't think the Stetzer filters

> are going to help. You're going to need some type of shielding around

> you, or perhaps one of the EMF protection devices that emits a

> counteracting field (e.g. Quantum Products)

>

> Marc

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 4/21/2007 4:21:49 PM GMT Standard Time,

m.a.norman@... writes:

Thank your all for your replies.

I believe there's a combination of problems here as it fluctuates so much.

When I turn the electrics off at the mains sometimes it drops a lot on the

meter, but then keeps spiking up to and down at regular intervals, which

leads me to think that something is running in the vincinity to cause this.

At other times the emf remains at a steady high on the meter. But it

fluctuates and is not like this all the time. Thank God..

Can you recommend a Quantum product that may be helpful. I believe

the Tesla watch was helpful but the battery has run down and I've

mislaid the document that came with it.

Maureen

Re: stetzer filters

> > It's not the microwave reading which usually shows on 0-1. It's the

> > magnetic range that goes over the top and spikes high on the it when

> > the electrics are off at the mains.

> >

> > Can you tell me how the steltzer filters work and could I fit one of

> > these myself?

>

> If the fields you are trying to eliminate are high even when the

> power is turned off at the mains, I don't think the Stetzer filters

> are going to help. You're going to need some type of shielding around

> you, or perhaps one of the EMF protection devices that emits a

> counteracting field (e.g. Quantum Products)

>

> Marc

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

> Can you recommend a Quantum product that may be helpful. I believe

> the Tesla watch was helpful but the battery has run down and I've

> mislaid the document that came with it.

For people in the USA, I'd recommend the $60 power strip, which

simply plugs into an outlet. However, I believe that you are

in the UK, and I don't believe that Quantum Products makes a

power strip that works in the UK. So that would leave the

" Quantum Home " at $300, which runs on a 12v adapter (you'd

need to specify that you need a UK 12v adapter, or find the

right kind yourself locally).

But I don't know if this will help you or not. I find these

are quiet helpful for reducing symptoms without shielding,

but they will NOT affect your meter readings (they just

seem to help people, not meters!). Quantum Products does

offer a money back guarantee, and you should be able to

tell if they are working on the first day.

Certainly there are other products that I've used that had

a wide range of effectiveness (such that they'd help your

garden out as well). The " Cosmic Energy Transformers "

helped a bit, but not enough to make them worth what they

cost:

http://www.alivewater.net/prod/cets.htm

Also, a product that seems to be only available in the UK

is the RadiTech:

http://www.dulwichhealthonline.co.uk/

I've read positive testimonials for this, but have never

tried one myself.

Also, possibly putting a Springlife Polarizer or a

Tachyon disc on your fuse box might also help a bit,

but for serious problems I usually just use the

stuff from Quantum Products.

One possible way to see if the Quantum Products items

will help you is to download the free trial software

for your computer, and see if you feel any better when

you are near your computer:

http://www.quantumproducts.com/quantumbytefreedownload/

Marc

[Guest guest]

> I know they didn't help Marc but i was wondering if anyone else has tried

> these? I would be surprised if no one has since they seem to be the

> standard remedy for dirty electricity.

They helped Shivani, who is subscribed here. She liked them so much

that she even sells them now!

Marc

[Guest guest]

That's a good thing! I kind of want to try them but not sure to go this route or

quantum. I ended up returning the quantum strips/outlets because I was allergic

to the plastic of some of them and they all had perfume on them for some reason.

> From: Marc <marc@...>

> Subject: Re: Stetzer Filters

>

> Date: Friday, April 16, 2010, 12:13 PM

> > I know they didn't help Marc but

> i was wondering if anyone else has tried

> > these? I would be surprised if no one has since they

> seem to be the

> > standard remedy for dirty electricity.

>

> They helped Shivani, who is subscribed here.  She

> liked them so much

> that she even sells them now!

>

> Marc

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

> That's a good thing! I kind of want to try them but not sure to go this

> route or quantum. I ended up returning the quantum strips/outlets because

> I was allergic to the plastic of some of them and they all had perfume on

> them for some reason.

Interesting -- I never had that problem, but I bought my strips years ago.

Marc

[Guest guest]

They are using different products now. I had no problem with the plastic from

the 3 outlet minimax but the 5 outlet stunk as did the belkin strip. The entire

box smelled like perfume and I have MCS so back everything went!

I would try the 3 outlet again but only if it were packaged smell free. I tried

airing them out but it didnt work.

However, I'm thinking if I try the Quantum Home perhaps I won't need the 3

outlet. I do notice that my fridge is making noises again plugged into a generic

surge suppressor outlet thingy so I may get a 3 outlet just for that.

> From: Marc <marc@...>

> Subject: Re: Stetzer Filters

>

> Date: Friday, April 16, 2010, 3:32 PM

> > That's a good thing! I kind of

> want to try them but not sure to go this

> > route or quantum. I ended up returning the quantum

> strips/outlets because

> > I was allergic to the plastic of some of them and they

> all had perfume on

> > them for some reason.

>

> Interesting -- I never had that problem, but I bought my

> strips years ago.

>

> Marc

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

I'm not very MCS, but rinsing in ethanol (Everclear) is a good

approach for many things. Be careful, Everclear is rather explosive

if lit or near a spark. If you can't get that, maybe the strongest

vodka or rum you can get?

I just tested a couple filters. The Stetzer meter is a tougher test

than the Entech. But neither is as tough as an AM radio (in this

case, the old-style RadioShack tuned to the highest AM frequency

was more sensitive than the newer one tuned to the lowest (where

I've found it to be most sensitive). A 100dB military filter blocked the

TV from both meters, but not from the old radio (probably due to common

mode... maybe if I had an RF ground connected to the filter that would solve

it).

Bill

On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 4:37 PM, Steve G <torch369@...> wrote:

>

>

> They are using different products now. I had no problem with the plastic

> from the 3 outlet minimax but the 5 outlet stunk as did the belkin strip.

> The entire box smelled like perfume and I have MCS so back everything went!

> I would try the 3 outlet again but only if it were packaged smell free. I

> tried airing them out but it didnt work.

> However, I'm thinking if I try the Quantum Home perhaps I won't need the 3

> outlet. I do notice that my fridge is making noises again plugged into a

> generic surge suppressor outlet thingy so I may get a 3 outlet just for

> that.

>

>

>

>

> > From: Marc <marc@... <marc%40ufoseries.com>>

> > Subject: Re: Stetzer Filters

> > <%40>

> > Date: Friday, April 16, 2010, 3:32 PM

>

> > > That's a good thing! I kind of

> > want to try them but not sure to go this

> > > route or quantum. I ended up returning the quantum

> > strips/outlets because

> > > I was allergic to the plastic of some of them and they

> > all had perfume on

> > > them for some reason.

> >

> > Interesting -- I never had that problem, but I bought my

> > strips years ago.

> >

> > Marc

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

where do you get that military filter?

> >

> > > From: Marc <marc@...

> <marc%40ufoseries.com>>

> > > Subject: Re: Stetzer Filters

> > >

> <%40>

> > > Date: Friday, April 16, 2010, 3:32 PM

> >

> > > > That's a good thing! I kind of

> > > want to try them but not sure to go this

> > > > route or quantum. I ended up returning the

> quantum

> > > strips/outlets because

> > > > I was allergic to the plastic of some of

> them and they

> > > all had perfume on

> > > > them for some reason.

> > >

> > > Interesting -- I never had that problem, but I

> bought my

> > > strips years ago.

> > >

> > > Marc

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

 

After a few days of using them I am not too sure about them. I am still getting

burning skin & I feel like I am more fatigued than usual. It could be the pollen

though.

 

When I first plugged them in I felt better. Then as time progressed I didn't

feel much of a huge difference. I think it probably helps a little. I'm going

to unplug them & evaluate also.

 

I have 8 plugged in now . Do you think that is still too many?  I know

you say no more than 5.

 

My house is 2100 square feet. I do have one in the garage near the fuse box. The

stetzer meter is reading 20 or under all over the house.

 

Loni

From: <@...>

Subject: Need help understanding Graham-Stetzer filters

Date: Friday, May 21, 2010, 8:05 AM

Can someone please help? Do you need one in every outlet in the house? Or just

one in each room? I currently have an Earthcalm Scalar Home Protection System?

Will the Graham-Stetzer filter interfere with that, or vice versa? Do you have

to do some kind of meter readings to figure out where to put it? If so, what is

the best meter to buy?

Thanks,

[Guest guest]

> My house is 2100 square feet. I do have one in the garage near the fuse

> box. The stetzer meter is reading 20 or under all over the house.

20 is really good... what did it read before you put the filters in?

Marc

[Guest guest]

Unless the power is clean when it comes in, I'd think

you'd want 2 to 4 in the garage, half on each phase.

In terms of reactive current, 5 in Europe is like 10 in

the US.

With computers, TVs and such, it makes sense to plug

them into the power strip or surge protector, so that

when the computer is off and unplugged, the filter

is disconnected too.

On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 10:26 AM, Loni <loni326@...> wrote:

>

>

>

> After a few days of using them I am not too sure about them. I am still

> getting burning skin & I feel like I am more fatigued than usual. It could

> be the pollen though.

>

> When I first plugged them in I felt better. Then as time progressed I

> didn't feel much of a huge difference. I think it probably helps a little.

> I'm going to unplug them & evaluate also.

>

> I have 8 plugged in now . Do you think that is still too many? I

> know you say no more than 5.

>

> My house is 2100 square feet. I do have one in the garage near the fuse

> box. The stetzer meter is reading 20 or under all over the house.

>

> Loni

>

>

>

> From: <@... <%40cox.net>>

> Subject: Need help understanding Graham-Stetzer filters

> <%40>

> Date: Friday, May 21, 2010, 8:05 AM

>

> Can someone please help? Do you need one in every outlet in the house? Or

> just one in each room? I currently have an Earthcalm Scalar Home Protection

> System? Will the Graham-Stetzer filter interfere with that, or vice versa?

> Do you have to do some kind of meter readings to figure out where to put it?

> If so, what is the best meter to buy?

> Thanks,

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Marc; some read up to 150 or more. Loni

From: Marc <marc@...>

Subject: Re: Stetzer Filters

Date: Monday, May 24, 2010, 9:47 AM

 

> My house is 2100 square feet. I do have one in the garage near the fuse

> box. The stetzer meter is reading 20 or under all over the house.

20 is really good... what did it read before you put the filters in?

Marc

[Guest guest]

Hi Bill,

 

Ok so you think 10 aprox for a house in the US is about right?!

 

For the garage I don't know what you mean about " half on each phase "

 

Do you think I would need 2 in the office where the computer, telephone, copier

is?

I do have one plugged in to the power strip so when I unplug it is unplugged to.

Then I have one in a regular socket in there. 

 

Thanks so much Bill!  Loni

 

 

>

> From: <@... <%40cox.net>>

> Subject: Need help understanding Graham-Stetzer filters

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> Date: Friday, May 21, 2010, 8:05 AM

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> Can someone please help? Do you need one in every outlet in the house? Or

> just one in each room? I currently have an Earthcalm Scalar Home Protection

> System? Will the Graham-Stetzer filter interfere with that, or vice versa?

> Do you have to do some kind of meter readings to figure out where to put it?

> If so, what is the best meter to buy?

> Thanks,

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[Guest guest]

> Ok so you think 10 aprox for a house in the US is about right?!

I don't think you can generalize this, as it depends on how

much dirty electricity is in your house. I'd use whatever

number of filters that consistently (day and night) gets the

stetzer meter readings down to 50 or less.

Marc

[Guest guest]

> When I first plugged them in I felt better. Then as time progressed I

> didn't feel much of a huge difference.

Unfortunately, I can say the same thing about various things -- protection

devices, supplements, therapies, etc. " Seemed to help initially but after

a while I was back to feeling the same as before " .

Marc

[Guest guest]

Ok good point Marc. yes I think I have good readings. I guess I can take a few

more down & see where it goes.  Loni

From: Marc <marc@...>

Subject: Re: Stetzer Filters

Date: Monday, May 24, 2010, 11:21 AM

 

> Ok so you think 10 aprox for a house in the US is about right?!

I don't think you can generalize this, as it depends on how

much dirty electricity is in your house. I'd use whatever

number of filters that consistently (day and night) gets the

stetzer meter readings down to 50 or less.

Marc

[Guest guest]

Ya I remember the same thing with the Earthcalm. When I first plugged it in I

felt great but then it seemed to make me feel worse as time progressed???  

It's good to know I'm not the only one experiencing the same phenomina!  Loni

From: Marc <marc@...>

Subject: Re: Stetzer Filters

Date: Monday, May 24, 2010, 11:58 AM

 

> When I first plugged them in I felt better. Then as time progressed I

> didn't feel much of a huge difference.

Unfortunately, I can say the same thing about various things -- protection

devices, supplements, therapies, etc. " Seemed to help initially but after

a while I was back to feeling the same as before " .

Marc