Guest guest Posted August 25, 2005 Report Share Posted August 25, 2005 I've been able to read some of the messages again lately. One big problem for years now is that grounding things to the little 'ground hole' on outlets does nothing. If you take the outlet cover off and see a plastic outlet box, there's your problem. Often the ground wire is no longer grounded, but just screwed to a plastic box, where older homes had metal. Light fixtures are a huge problem anymore, they don't even have a ground wire most of them. I don't think some houses are grounded to earth when hooked up at all either anymore. All the ones my dad built, he always ran a copper wire into the ground, or think of the lightning rods they use to have, they were a good thing. So it really does pay to check and see if what you think you're grounding to is actually making it to earth or not! > Earth means groundede to earth. > > For electrical connection, there are three wires; > -brown for *phase* or *live* > -blue for *null* > -green/yellow for earth > > Normally, computers do have a plug with three pins. > Many people do use a powerstrip with several sockets. > They usually do have a three pin connection. > Especially with computers and computer accessories like printers and > scanners, it is essentuial that everything is grounded. > However, when the mains socket in the wall only has two pins, than the whole > system is not grounded to earth. > And then you have a problem. The computer may strike sometimes by that fact. > So you must make your own grounding to earth. > Make that extra cable green/yellow yourself, or let an electrician do that. > > Some printers and flatscreens and scanners do use a small transformator, > which has a plug with only two pins. > It is possible to connect the metal housing to earth separately, if there > are magnetic fields occurring. > But here an electrician can do the work properly. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2005 Report Share Posted October 16, 2005 > We are intrigued by what we're experiencing with the filters so far > and plan to order and install more meters, especially in the > home office. Right now we're seeing readings of about 25 on the > Stetzer microsurge meter Thanks for that report Cara! What kind of readings were you getting before installing the filters? From what I've read, it seems like most of the benefit is in getting the readings below 40. I'm not sure how much additional benefit there would be in getting readings below 25. Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2005 Report Share Posted October 17, 2005 Hi Marc, Here's a sampling of the readings we got before installing the filters: 250 in the bedroom, 338 in the home office, 140 in the living room, 285 in the kitchen, 181 in the bathroom. I have no idea whether these numbers are typical or not. What sort of readings have other list members taken? And, of course, the readings seem to vary somewhat from day to day and over the course of a single day. My husband also noticed a difference when I turned off the Quantum Pro a day after installing the filters -- he said it felt like the filters weren't working as well. The environment felt " hotter " to him. I turned the Quantum Pro back on. For the record turning the Quantum Pro on or off, or calibrating it differently, didn't affect the Stetzer meter readings. Cara > What kind of readings were you getting before installing the > filters? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2005 Report Share Posted October 17, 2005 I have stacked the fliters on a Quantum Powerstrip to not overload the stetzer filter with good results. I think you will need to discover what level is right for you. Under 10 is good for me. good luck. On Oct 16, 2005, at 11:42 PM, Cara wrote: > Hi folks, > > Installed the Stetzer filters in our place on Friday and continued > to tweak things through yesterday afternoon. Have 20 filters total > installed. We also have 2 Quantum Powerstrips and a Quantum > Pro plugged in the home office, where all our computer > equipment lives. (The Quantum products were installed before > the Stetzer filters.) > > My first impression of the Stetzer filters is good. I've been feeling > noticeably better since before the filters came (ever since I > stopped frying myself on an ungrounded computer) but in the > past two days I feel like I've had more energy than usual. Small > things that have seemed exhausting or overwhelming for over a > year (making the bed, doing the dishes), have felt surprisingly > manageable. Today I even tackled bigger chores, like moving > boxes full of books (on stairs!), and rearranging furniture. (Small > tables, but still...) > > As some of you know, my husband is very ES and has been > doing poorly for a long time. His reaction to the Stetzer filters was > not the same as mine (no dramatic bursts of activity) but he > tentatively observed that the filters seem to have a " cooling " effect > on our electrical environment. I should explain that my husband > has long felt that our general neighborhood has a very hot > ambient energy, and that our building is particularly " hot. " He ran > some errands today and when he returned home he said our > apartment now feels cooler (energy wise) than the outside. > > We are intrigued by what we're experiencing with the filters so far > and plan to order and install more meters, especially in the > home office. Right now we're seeing readings of about 25 on the > Stetzer microsurge meter, which is apparently " good " but my > husband wants to get the readings lower yet. I'm curious about > whether he'll feel greater benefit with more filters installed, or > whether the benefit stops at a certain point/number of filters. > Does anyone here know? > > Incidentally, we live in a smallish place -- just under 1000 square > feet -- and we needed every one of the 20 filters we ordered to > achieve the recommended readings. > > ~ Cara > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2005 Report Share Posted October 17, 2005 These are high readings. No wonder you guys felt hot. On Oct 17, 2005, at 2:08 AM, Cara wrote: > Hi Marc, > > Here's a sampling of the readings we got before installing the > filters: 250 in the bedroom, 338 in the home office, 140 in the > living room, 285 in the kitchen, 181 in the bathroom. I have no > idea whether these numbers are typical or not. What sort of > readings have other list members taken? > > And, of course, the readings seem to vary somewhat from day to > day and over the course of a single day. My husband also > noticed a difference when I turned off the Quantum Pro a day > after installing the filters -- he said it felt like the filters > weren't > working as well. The environment felt " hotter " to him. I turned the > Quantum Pro back on. > > For the record turning the Quantum Pro on or off, or calibrating it > differently, didn't affect the Stetzer meter readings. > > Cara > > > >> What kind of readings were you getting before installing the >> filters? > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2005 Report Share Posted October 17, 2005 As I always say: *I am learning everyday!* I learned another lesson. Last week I had to investigate a house. My Stetzerizer meter went over the 1, that means more than 2000 GS units. (A filter brought it back to 121) I was too late to find that out. Several of my other meters went awol. Even my water ppm meter gave the impression, that the batteries were insufficient, but the other day, they were perfect in order. My ionen meter looked, like he was totally out of order, and needed repair. The other day, he was fine again. Only my meter for measuring Radon gas refused to accept input as well as output. I had the send it to the manufacturer for repairs. So, one can imagine, that when those high frequencies (in the VLF region) can manipulate my meters, real persons can be damaged also. Greetings, Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Norton Antivirus Re: Re: Stetzer filters > These are high readings. No wonder you guys felt hot. > > On Oct 17, 2005, at 2:08 AM, Cara wrote: > > > Hi Marc, > > > > Here's a sampling of the readings we got before installing the > > filters: 250 in the bedroom, 338 in the home office, 140 in the > > living room, 285 in the kitchen, 181 in the bathroom. I have no > > idea whether these numbers are typical or not. What sort of > > readings have other list members taken? > > > > And, of course, the readings seem to vary somewhat from day to > > day and over the course of a single day. My husband also > > noticed a difference when I turned off the Quantum Pro a day > > after installing the filters -- he said it felt like the filters > > weren't > > working as well. The environment felt " hotter " to him. I turned the > > Quantum Pro back on. > > > > For the record turning the Quantum Pro on or off, or calibrating it > > differently, didn't affect the Stetzer meter readings. > > > > Cara > > > > > > > >> What kind of readings were you getting before installing the > >> filters? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2005 Report Share Posted October 17, 2005 > Here's a sampling of the readings we got before installing the > filters: 250 in the bedroom, 338 in the home office, 140 in the > living room, 285 in the kitchen, 181 in the bathroom. I have no > idea whether these numbers are typical or not. What sort of > readings have other list members taken? Those numbers are higher than at my house. If I have the TV, computer, stereo, etc. turned off, I can get readings of about 50. Turning these things on brings it up to 150+. Although I've had isolated occurances where I've noted 300+ readings, the source must have been temporary and outside of my house, as it was back down the next day. Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2005 Report Share Posted October 17, 2005 Hi , How many filters did you need and in what size space to achieve readings under 10? And, may I ask whether you experienced gradations of benefit --e.g. did you feel some benefit at 25, then more benefit as the numbers got lower yet? Or, did you simply keep adding filters until you felt them working, and the magic number for you turned out to be 10? Just curious. Cara > > > Hi folks, > > > > Installed the Stetzer filters in our place on Friday and continued > > to tweak things through yesterday afternoon. Have 20 filters total > > installed. We also have 2 Quantum Powerstrips and a Quantum > > Pro plugged in the home office, where all our computer > > equipment lives. (The Quantum products were installed before > > the Stetzer filters.) > > > > My first impression of the Stetzer filters is good. I've been feeling > > noticeably better since before the filters came (ever since I > > stopped frying myself on an ungrounded computer) but in the > > past two days I feel like I've had more energy than usual. Small > > things that have seemed exhausting or overwhelming for over a > > year (making the bed, doing the dishes), have felt surprisingly > > manageable. Today I even tackled bigger chores, like moving > > boxes full of books (on stairs!), and rearranging furniture. (Small > > tables, but still...) > > > > As some of you know, my husband is very ES and has been > > doing poorly for a long time. His reaction to the Stetzer filters was > > not the same as mine (no dramatic bursts of activity) but he > > tentatively observed that the filters seem to have a " cooling " effect > > on our electrical environment. I should explain that my husband > > has long felt that our general neighborhood has a very hot > > ambient energy, and that our building is particularly " hot. " He ran > > some errands today and when he returned home he said our > > apartment now feels cooler (energy wise) than the outside. > > > > We are intrigued by what we're experiencing with the filters so far > > and plan to order and install more meters, especially in the > > home office. Right now we're seeing readings of about 25 on the > > Stetzer microsurge meter, which is apparently " good " but my > > husband wants to get the readings lower yet. I'm curious about > > whether he'll feel greater benefit with more filters installed, or > > whether the benefit stops at a certain point/number of filters. > > Does anyone here know? > > > > Incidentally, we live in a smallish place -- just under 1000 square > > feet -- and we needed every one of the 20 filters we ordered to > > achieve the recommended readings. > > > > ~ Cara > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2005 Report Share Posted October 17, 2005 > Those numbers are higher than at my house. Also note that in the office building I work at, which has florescent lights, computers, wireless Internet, etc., the Stetzer meter reads 100-150. Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2005 Report Share Posted October 17, 2005 Sorry if I've missed a previous post in which you answered this question, Marc. I'm wondering if you've felt any benefit from using the Stetzer filters either at home or at work? How many filters did you use, and at what reading did you seem to feel a benefit? From what we can tell, I am feeling more benefit from 20 filters than my husband, whose ES is much more severe than mine. My husband thinks more filters may give him more relief, so we're going to try that. What I am now considering is how many additional filters to invest in (the price does add up) to get the readings even lower, and how low we might aim for. So I'm curious about the range of tolerance/benefit among the ES group. just mentioned that he likes to keep his readings at about 10. Cara > > > Those numbers are higher than at my house. > > Also note that in the office building I work at, which > has florescent lights, computers, wireless Internet, > etc., the Stetzer meter reads 100-150. > > Marc > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2005 Report Share Posted October 17, 2005 > Sorry if I've missed a previous post in which you answered this > question, Marc. I'm wondering if you've felt any benefit from using > the Stetzer filters either at home or at work? How many filters did > you use, and at what reading did you seem to feel a benefit? My experience with the Stetzer stuff is this -- I purchased a meter and ONE filter. I measured the house to see what the readings were, and found that plugging the one filter in reduced the reading. However, I also got a sharp pain in my head almost immediately, which matched my experience with other capacitor-based EMI shunt filters that I had tried in the past. So I figured if one filter was going to cause me such problems, that I was not going to spend $500 on a set of twenty. Also, by the time I tried the Stetzer filters, I felt that I already had an acceptable solutions with what I was already doing, so I didn't have sufficient motivation to pursue what seemed to be an expensive and not-very-portable solution. > From what we can tell, I am feeling more benefit from 20 filters > than my husband, whose ES is much more severe than mine. > My husband thinks more filters may give him more relief, so > we're going to try that. What I am now considering is how many > additional filters to invest in (the price does add up) to get the > readings even lower, and how low we might aim for. In my opinion, if you've already got the readings down to 25, then you've already got a home environment that is better than average (at least in terms of the frequencies that the Stetzer filters deal with), and you might be better off trying something else altogether than " more of the same " . I find that doing a little of various things is far more effective than doing a lot of one thing. Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2005 Report Share Posted October 17, 2005 > In my opinion, if you've already got the readings down to 25, > then you've already got a home environment that is better than > average (at least in terms of the frequencies that the Stetzer > filters deal with), and you might be better off trying something > else altogether than " more of the same " . I find that doing > a little of various things is far more effective than doing > a lot of one thing. Note also that in addition to adding more Stetzer filters, you could also try a stronger item from Quantum Products. For example, the Quantum Super Pro is 5 times stronger than the Quantum Pro, plus uses an antenna to broadcast coherence throughout the air: http://advancedliving.com/item531026.ctlg However, this is NOT the route that I would personally take. I would instead focus on that dental infection, plus diet and supplements (with an emphasis of healthy fats to help rebuild the nervous system), and possible some other less expensive (and portable) EMF protection option. Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2005 Report Share Posted October 17, 2005 Thanks Marc. I agree about doing lots of things--the dental infection/amalgam issue is definitely part of the plan. Appointments have been made with the right dentist -- but these guys book up far in advance. I did listen to your earlier suggestion and have stocked up on guacamole and avocados; we'll be scarfing them at every opportunity. Also olive oil and cod liver oil (capsules). I'll let you know what we think of the cod liver oil after we've been on it a while. We are keeping our Quantum Pro at a low setting now so we probably don't need to upgrade to a more powerful device. We remain uncertain about the Springlife Polarizer; thought we saw slight benefit early on, but not conclusively. I think it's time to test it again. Cara > > > In my opinion, if you've already got the readings down to 25, > > then you've already got a home environment that is better than > > average (at least in terms of the frequencies that the Stetzer > > filters deal with), and you might be better off trying something > > else altogether than " more of the same " . I find that doing > > a little of various things is far more effective than doing > > a lot of one thing. > > Note also that in addition to adding more Stetzer filters, you > could also try a stronger item from Quantum Products. For > example, the Quantum Super Pro is 5 times stronger than the > Quantum Pro, plus uses an antenna to broadcast coherence > throughout the air: > > http://advancedliving.com/item531026.ctlg > > However, this is NOT the route that I would personally take. > I would instead focus on that dental infection, plus > diet and supplements (with an emphasis of healthy fats > to help rebuild the nervous system), and possible some > other less expensive (and portable) EMF protection option. > > Marc > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2005 Report Share Posted October 17, 2005 > I did listen to your earlier suggestion and have stocked up on > guacamole and avocados; we'll be scarfing them at every > opportunity. Also olive oil and cod liver oil (capsules). I'll let you > know what we think of the cod liver oil after we've been on it a > while. I'm also using the capsules for cod liver oil. The label says that it has been " molecularly distilled " to remove any mercury... I imagine cod liver oil contaminated with mercury would do more harm than good. Also, I was surprised to note that my first capsule of Krill Oil provoked a mercury chelation reaction, which is something I've never observed before with advocados, olive oil, flax oil, etc. This has now subsided, although there does seem to be a negative side effect from the bioflavenoids in the Krill Oil that I'm countering with Cellfood (for some reason bioflavenoids make me oxygen-starved) > We remain uncertain about the Springlife Polarizer; thought we saw > slight benefit early on, but not conclusively. I think it's > time to test it again. My experience has been that if something helps, it's usually pretty obvious within 24 hours. Of course, its also my experience that when you make a change (like adding those Stetzer filters), something that didn't work previously may start working (or something that did work previously is now too much) Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2005 Report Share Posted October 17, 2005 " My experience has been that if something helps, it's usually pretty obvious within 24 hours " That's my theory too!! J > > > I did listen to your earlier suggestion and have stocked up on > > guacamole and avocados; we'll be scarfing them at every > > opportunity. Also olive oil and cod liver oil (capsules). I'll let you > > know what we think of the cod liver oil after we've been on it a > > while. > > I'm also using the capsules for cod liver oil. The label > says that it has been " molecularly distilled " to remove > any mercury... I imagine cod liver oil contaminated with > mercury would do more harm than good. Also, I was surprised > to note that my first capsule of Krill Oil provoked a mercury > chelation reaction, which is something I've never observed > before with advocados, olive oil, flax oil, etc. This has > now subsided, although there does seem to be a negative > side effect from the bioflavenoids in the Krill Oil that > I'm countering with Cellfood (for some reason bioflavenoids > make me oxygen-starved) > > > We remain uncertain about the Springlife Polarizer; thought we saw > > slight benefit early on, but not conclusively. I think it's > > time to test it again. > > My experience has been that if something helps, it's usually > pretty obvious within 24 hours. Of course, its also my > experience that when you make a change (like adding those > Stetzer filters), something that didn't work previously > may start working (or something that did work previously > is now too much) > > Marc > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2005 Report Share Posted October 17, 2005 > > > > > I did listen to your earlier suggestion and have stocked up on > > > guacamole and avocados; we'll be scarfing them at every > > > opportunity. Also olive oil and cod liver oil (capsules). I'll > let you > > > know what we think of the cod liver oil after we've been on it a > > > while. > > > > I'm also using the capsules for cod liver oil. The label > > says that it has been " molecularly distilled " to remove > > any mercury... I imagine cod liver oil contaminated with > > mercury would do more harm than good. Also, I was surprised > > to note that my first capsule of Krill Oil provoked a mercury > > chelation reaction, which is something I've never observed > > before with advocados, olive oil, flax oil, etc. This has > > now subsided, although there does seem to be a negative > > side effect from the bioflavenoids in the Krill Oil that > > I'm countering with Cellfood (for some reason bioflavenoids > > make me oxygen-starved) > > > > > We remain uncertain about the Springlife Polarizer; thought we > saw > > > slight benefit early on, but not conclusively. I think it's > > > time to test it again. > > > > My experience has been that if something helps, it's usually > > pretty obvious within 24 hours. Of course, its also my > > experience that when you make a change (like adding those > > Stetzer filters), something that didn't work previously > > may start working (or something that did work previously > > is now too much) > > > > Marc > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2005 Report Share Posted October 17, 2005 Quaixemen, how long did you feel that you were sleeping deeper and longer from having the filters installed? And do you have any theory about why this effect didn't last for you? Also, have others on the list had a similar experience--that the subjective benefit goes away after some time? Cara > > It took about a week after installing my stetzer filters before I > began to notice that I was sleeping much deeper and longer. > Unfortunately, the effect didn't last all that long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2005 Report Share Posted October 17, 2005 > Quaixemen, how long did you feel that you were sleeping deeper > and longer from having the filters installed? And do you have any > theory about why this effect didn't last for you? Also, have others > on the list had a similar experience--that the subjective benefit > goes away after some time? I've had this happen to me on several occasions... when trying out something new, I may find a large improvement initially, but after a while it's back to the same old problems. Whenever this happens, I just realize that this new thing *was* helpful, but not a complete solution. It may turn out to be part of a complete solution, though... My own personal theory about why this happens has to do with the liver and detoxification rates. Basically, I think chronically ill people are detoxifying at about a fast a rate they can, which is below the rate of a normal person. If you can find something which enables you to detoxifying at a higher rate, then you initially feel great, because your body is still detoxing at the lower rate. After awhile, your body starts detoxing at your liver's new (higher) capacity, so you start feeling bad again. But again, this is my own personal theory... :-) Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2005 Report Share Posted October 18, 2005 I have been experiencing the exact same phenomenon recently with my whole bed/sleeping saga. first i switched off the electricity at night and slept really deeply for about a week with no pain in my spine, then started to get the fluttery tummy so... earthed my mattress, and again felt much better for a few nights before the fluttery tummy came back, so.... got a foam mattress...swiftly followed by removing metal from the base, and slept like a baby for about 5 nights in a row...then the night before last and last night sleeping badly again, fluttery tummy has gone, instead just this impenetrable alertness and waking after a couple of hours sleep or just feeling that i haven't slept deeply. If i don't sleep right through for at least 6 hours, my day is a complete right off until at least 1pm. > > > Quaixemen, how long did you feel that you were sleeping deeper > > and longer from having the filters installed? And do you have any > > theory about why this effect didn't last for you? Also, have others > > on the list had a similar experience--that the subjective benefit > > goes away after some time? > > I've had this happen to me on several occasions... when trying out > something new, I may find a large improvement initially, but > after a while it's back to the same old problems. Whenever > this happens, I just realize that this new thing *was* helpful, > but not a complete solution. It may turn out to be part of a > complete solution, though... > > My own personal theory about why this happens has to do with > the liver and detoxification rates. Basically, I think > chronically ill people are detoxifying at about a fast a rate > they can, which is below the rate of a normal person. If > you can find something which enables you to detoxifying > at a higher rate, then you initially feel great, because > your body is still detoxing at the lower rate. After awhile, > your body starts detoxing at your liver's new (higher) > capacity, so you start feeling bad again. > > But again, this is my own personal theory... :-) > > Marc > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2005 Report Share Posted December 10, 2005 Ian Kemp wrote: > Several people have mentioned in the group that they find Stetzer filters > helpful - but is there a similar product in UK and Europe? The Stetzerizer filter is available in an European (50hz/220v) version: http://lessemf.com/suppress.html Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2006 Report Share Posted June 3, 2006 Like I've said before, be sure you have a gauss meter that measures magnetic fields so when you put the filters in you can check if the magnetic fields get worse alone the wire or near your bed. If they get worse, there is a neutral wire problem which can be fixed. The harmonics are being shorted back onto the neutral wire and it'll overload the wire if not connected properly with the other neutrals. Keen is the expert that taught me about this. Keen EMF Services www.emfservices.com 888-840-0668 .. So if there are no problems with your neutrals, put the filters so your sleeping area is as calm as possible. If you have a filter next to your head, you are going to get a magnetic field and audio frequency harmonics near you which is not good. Have them at least across the room if not down the hall. If the filters whine or make squealing sounds, they are overloaded and more need to be put on that wire to bring the " noise " down. I recommend using the Quantum Conditioners Power Strip or buy Stetzer's power strip which works well in reducing the harmonics and smooths out the waves quite well. On Jun 3, 2006, at 1:30 PM, Laidback wrote: > Why not sleep by the filters and how do you define " near? " > > If i am going to spend $600 i would like to know how much stetzer > filters helped the people here on this list. Is it worth it? > > > > McAfee <amcafeerr@...> wrote: > Put filters near the breaker box to eliminate outside frequencies and > then experience with the rest of the house near the appliances. Don't > sleep near the filters and I recommend turning the power off to the > room where you sleep. > Get a body voltage meter and test to see how much voltage is running > through you in bed. Less that 50 millivolts is the goal. I had 7 volts > running through me once. There may be wires running underneath your > floor or in the wall that spill electrical fields over you. > I recommend getting rid of the wire spring mattress and bed and sleep > on a natural latex foam or organic cotton futon. > good luck. > > On Jun 3, 2006, at 11:44 AM, Laidback wrote: > >> I rent my house so I don't know if I can make changes like that. I >> don't now what A and B phase are. Where does the power enter, is that >> the fuse box? There there outlets abotu sex feet away from the box, >> and one has a lower reading, like 200, the others have the average of >> around 500, but those fluctuation. Maybe I can try to do it with the >> 20 filters. I may move in a year so i can take the filters with me, >> unlike the fixed changes. >> >> So is this wire noise often the main thing? >> I have also grounded my bed and office chair and keep a distance >> from some things in the bedroom and office. I wonder how much my food >> is effected in the refrigerator. I don't use the top shelf under the >> motor. >> >> >> >> McAfee <amcafeerr@...> wrote: >> If you are in a house, have an electrician install two outlets off >> of >> where your power comes into your house, one off the A Phase and one >> off >> the B phase side. Install filters there and that will be the most >> efficient way of lowering the outside frequencies from your neighbor's >> dimmer switches, appliances, etc. Then you are left with what you are >> creating in the house with your equipment and other radiation >> radiating >> with the wires. >> Sometimes the numbers drop easily and quickly with only a few filters >> and in some places you'll need two power strips full of filters to get >> it down to 50. There are many variables. >> >> >> On Jun 2, 2006, at 10:32 PM, Laidback wrote: >> >>> I wonder if 600-1400 reading are than the filters can handle. The >>> 1400 >>> is the power strips for this computer. 600 in most walls, some as low >>> as 200. I might need an electrician. >>> >>> >>> >>> McAfee <amcafeerr@...> wrote: >>> I have readings like that at work in a concert hall backstage >>> 400-1500+ >>> (the meter blacks out). In my house it was up to 200. I have done a >>> lot >>> of work on the wiring and have filters installed and it is now around >>> 5-20. >>> >>> On Jun 2, 2006, at 9:06 PM, sctdh wrote: >>> >>>> I just got my meter for high frequency noise on the wiring and took >>>> some readings. They say ideally readings should be under 25 and over >>>> 50 is a problem. My readings are between 600 and 1400. It seems i >>>> might have a problem. Have other people had readings this high, is >>>> that typical? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2006 Report Share Posted June 3, 2006 I have outlets about 3 and 4 feet from the bed. How is that? I have a conductive pad that is grounded. I have a foam mattress but a metal frame underneath it. McAfee <amcafeerr@...> wrote: Like I've said before, be sure you have a gauss meter that measures magnetic fields so when you put the filters in you can check if the magnetic fields get worse alone the wire or near your bed. If they get worse, there is a neutral wire problem which can be fixed. The harmonics are being shorted back onto the neutral wire and it'll overload the wire if not connected properly with the other neutrals. Keen is the expert that taught me about this. Keen EMF Services www.emfservices.com 888-840-0668 .. So if there are no problems with your neutrals, put the filters so your sleeping area is as calm as possible. If you have a filter next to your head, you are going to get a magnetic field and audio frequency harmonics near you which is not good. Have them at least across the room if not down the hall. If the filters whine or make squealing sounds, they are overloaded and more need to be put on that wire to bring the " noise " down. I recommend using the Quantum Conditioners Power Strip or buy Stetzer's power strip which works well in reducing the harmonics and smooths out the waves quite well. On Jun 3, 2006, at 1:30 PM, Laidback wrote: > Why not sleep by the filters and how do you define " near? " > > If i am going to spend $600 i would like to know how much stetzer > filters helped the people here on this list. Is it worth it? > > > > McAfee <amcafeerr@...> wrote: > Put filters near the breaker box to eliminate outside frequencies and > then experience with the rest of the house near the appliances. Don't > sleep near the filters and I recommend turning the power off to the > room where you sleep. > Get a body voltage meter and test to see how much voltage is running > through you in bed. Less that 50 millivolts is the goal. I had 7 volts > running through me once. There may be wires running underneath your > floor or in the wall that spill electrical fields over you. > I recommend getting rid of the wire spring mattress and bed and sleep > on a natural latex foam or organic cotton futon. > good luck. > > On Jun 3, 2006, at 11:44 AM, Laidback wrote: > >> I rent my house so I don't know if I can make changes like that. I >> don't now what A and B phase are. Where does the power enter, is that >> the fuse box? There there outlets abotu sex feet away from the box, >> and one has a lower reading, like 200, the others have the average of >> around 500, but those fluctuation. Maybe I can try to do it with the >> 20 filters. I may move in a year so i can take the filters with me, >> unlike the fixed changes. >> >> So is this wire noise often the main thing? >> I have also grounded my bed and office chair and keep a distance >> from some things in the bedroom and office. I wonder how much my food >> is effected in the refrigerator. I don't use the top shelf under the >> motor. >> >> >> >> McAfee <amcafeerr@...> wrote: >> If you are in a house, have an electrician install two outlets off >> of >> where your power comes into your house, one off the A Phase and one >> off >> the B phase side. Install filters there and that will be the most >> efficient way of lowering the outside frequencies from your neighbor's >> dimmer switches, appliances, etc. Then you are left with what you are >> creating in the house with your equipment and other radiation >> radiating >> with the wires. >> Sometimes the numbers drop easily and quickly with only a few filters >> and in some places you'll need two power strips full of filters to get >> it down to 50. There are many variables. >> >> >> On Jun 2, 2006, at 10:32 PM, Laidback wrote: >> >>> I wonder if 600-1400 reading are than the filters can handle. The >>> 1400 >>> is the power strips for this computer. 600 in most walls, some as low >>> as 200. I might need an electrician. >>> >>> >>> >>> McAfee <amcafeerr@...> wrote: >>> I have readings like that at work in a concert hall backstage >>> 400-1500+ >>> (the meter blacks out). In my house it was up to 200. I have done a >>> lot >>> of work on the wiring and have filters installed and it is now around >>> 5-20. >>> >>> On Jun 2, 2006, at 9:06 PM, sctdh wrote: >>> >>>> I just got my meter for high frequency noise on the wiring and took >>>> some readings. They say ideally readings should be under 25 and over >>>> 50 is a problem. My readings are between 600 and 1400. It seems i >>>> might have a problem. Have other people had readings this high, is >>>> that typical? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2006 Report Share Posted June 4, 2006 I would put filters in outlets that are further than 3 or 4 feet but that is up to you. In my measurements and advice from Keen, it is better to have the conductive pad under the bed so the electrical fields are drawn to it and not you. Test the metal frame to see how much current is flowing through it by testing yourself and then touching it. On Jun 3, 2006, at 7:07 PM, Laidback wrote: > I have outlets about 3 and 4 feet from the bed. How is that? > > I have a conductive pad that is grounded. > > I have a foam mattress but a metal frame underneath it. > > McAfee <amcafeerr@...> wrote: > Like I've said before, be sure you have a gauss meter that measures > magnetic fields so when you put the filters in you can check if the > magnetic fields get worse alone the wire or near your bed. If they get > worse, there is a neutral wire problem which can be fixed. > The harmonics are being shorted back onto the neutral wire and it'll > overload the wire if not connected properly with the other neutrals. > Keen is the expert that taught me about this. > Keen > EMF Services > www.emfservices.com > 888-840-0668 > . > So if there are no problems with your neutrals, put the filters so your > sleeping area is as calm as possible. If you have a filter next to your > head, you are going to get a magnetic field and audio frequency > harmonics near you which is not good. > Have them at least across the room if not down the hall. > If the filters whine or make squealing sounds, they are overloaded and > more need to be put on that wire to bring the " noise " down. I recommend > using the Quantum Conditioners Power Strip or buy Stetzer's power > strip which works well in reducing the harmonics and smooths out the > waves quite well. > > > On Jun 3, 2006, at 1:30 PM, Laidback wrote: > >> Why not sleep by the filters and how do you define " near? " >> >> If i am going to spend $600 i would like to know how much stetzer >> filters helped the people here on this list. Is it worth it? >> >> >> >> McAfee <amcafeerr@...> wrote: >> Put filters near the breaker box to eliminate outside frequencies >> and >> then experience with the rest of the house near the appliances. Don't >> sleep near the filters and I recommend turning the power off to the >> room where you sleep. >> Get a body voltage meter and test to see how much voltage is running >> through you in bed. Less that 50 millivolts is the goal. I had 7 volts >> running through me once. There may be wires running underneath your >> floor or in the wall that spill electrical fields over you. >> I recommend getting rid of the wire spring mattress and bed and sleep >> on a natural latex foam or organic cotton futon. >> good luck. >> >> On Jun 3, 2006, at 11:44 AM, Laidback wrote: >> >>> I rent my house so I don't know if I can make changes like that. I >>> don't now what A and B phase are. Where does the power enter, is that >>> the fuse box? There there outlets abotu sex feet away from the box, >>> and one has a lower reading, like 200, the others have the average of >>> around 500, but those fluctuation. Maybe I can try to do it with the >>> 20 filters. I may move in a year so i can take the filters with me, >>> unlike the fixed changes. >>> >>> So is this wire noise often the main thing? >>> I have also grounded my bed and office chair and keep a distance >>> from some things in the bedroom and office. I wonder how much my food >>> is effected in the refrigerator. I don't use the top shelf under the >>> motor. >>> >>> >>> >>> McAfee <amcafeerr@...> wrote: >>> If you are in a house, have an electrician install two outlets off >>> of >>> where your power comes into your house, one off the A Phase and one >>> off >>> the B phase side. Install filters there and that will be the most >>> efficient way of lowering the outside frequencies from your >>> neighbor's >>> dimmer switches, appliances, etc. Then you are left with what you are >>> creating in the house with your equipment and other radiation >>> radiating >>> with the wires. >>> Sometimes the numbers drop easily and quickly with only a few filters >>> and in some places you'll need two power strips full of filters to >>> get >>> it down to 50. There are many variables. >>> >>> >>> On Jun 2, 2006, at 10:32 PM, Laidback wrote: >>> >>>> I wonder if 600-1400 reading are than the filters can handle. The >>>> 1400 >>>> is the power strips for this computer. 600 in most walls, some as >>>> low >>>> as 200. I might need an electrician. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> McAfee <amcafeerr@...> wrote: >>>> I have readings like that at work in a concert hall backstage >>>> 400-1500+ >>>> (the meter blacks out). In my house it was up to 200. I have done a >>>> lot >>>> of work on the wiring and have filters installed and it is now >>>> around >>>> 5-20. >>>> >>>> On Jun 2, 2006, at 9:06 PM, sctdh wrote: >>>> >>>>> I just got my meter for high frequency noise on the wiring and took >>>>> some readings. They say ideally readings should be under 25 and >>>>> over >>>>> 50 is a problem. My readings are between 600 and 1400. It seems i >>>>> might have a problem. Have other people had readings this high, is >>>>> that typical? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2006 Report Share Posted June 4, 2006 I can't have any filters in my bedroom by that standard. The purpose of the pad is to ground my body. I measure the electrical current in my body and it drops when i am on the pad. With the power off the current drops even more if i unplug the pad, so that means a very small amount of current comes in from the earth. As it turns out, I can't afford the filters right now. I also still want to hear what difference they make for everyone. I never found the stetzer power strip, only the quantum. What is the difference? McAfee <amcafeerr@...> wrote: I would put filters in outlets that are further than 3 or 4 feet but that is up to you. In my measurements and advice from Keen, it is better to have the conductive pad under the bed so the electrical fields are drawn to it and not you. Test the metal frame to see how much current is flowing through it by testing yourself and then touching it. On Jun 3, 2006, at 7:07 PM, Laidback wrote: > I have outlets about 3 and 4 feet from the bed. How is that? > > I have a conductive pad that is grounded. > > I have a foam mattress but a metal frame underneath it. > > McAfee <amcafeerr@...> wrote: > Like I've said before, be sure you have a gauss meter that measures > magnetic fields so when you put the filters in you can check if the > magnetic fields get worse alone the wire or near your bed. If they get > worse, there is a neutral wire problem which can be fixed. > The harmonics are being shorted back onto the neutral wire and it'll > overload the wire if not connected properly with the other neutrals. > Keen is the expert that taught me about this. > Keen > EMF Services > www.emfservices.com > 888-840-0668 > . > So if there are no problems with your neutrals, put the filters so your > sleeping area is as calm as possible. If you have a filter next to your > head, you are going to get a magnetic field and audio frequency > harmonics near you which is not good. > Have them at least across the room if not down the hall. > If the filters whine or make squealing sounds, they are overloaded and > more need to be put on that wire to bring the " noise " down. I recommend > using the Quantum Conditioners Power Strip or buy Stetzer's power > strip which works well in reducing the harmonics and smooths out the > waves quite well. > > > On Jun 3, 2006, at 1:30 PM, Laidback wrote: > >> Why not sleep by the filters and how do you define " near? " >> >> If i am going to spend $600 i would like to know how much stetzer >> filters helped the people here on this list. Is it worth it? >> >> >> >> McAfee <amcafeerr@...> wrote: >> Put filters near the breaker box to eliminate outside frequencies >> and >> then experience with the rest of the house near the appliances. Don't >> sleep near the filters and I recommend turning the power off to the >> room where you sleep. >> Get a body voltage meter and test to see how much voltage is running >> through you in bed. Less that 50 millivolts is the goal. I had 7 volts >> running through me once. There may be wires running underneath your >> floor or in the wall that spill electrical fields over you. >> I recommend getting rid of the wire spring mattress and bed and sleep >> on a natural latex foam or organic cotton futon. >> good luck. >> >> On Jun 3, 2006, at 11:44 AM, Laidback wrote: >> >>> I rent my house so I don't know if I can make changes like that. I >>> don't now what A and B phase are. Where does the power enter, is that >>> the fuse box? There there outlets abotu sex feet away from the box, >>> and one has a lower reading, like 200, the others have the average of >>> around 500, but those fluctuation. Maybe I can try to do it with the >>> 20 filters. I may move in a year so i can take the filters with me, >>> unlike the fixed changes. >>> >>> So is this wire noise often the main thing? >>> I have also grounded my bed and office chair and keep a distance >>> from some things in the bedroom and office. I wonder how much my food >>> is effected in the refrigerator. I don't use the top shelf under the >>> motor. >>> >>> >>> >>> McAfee <amcafeerr@...> wrote: >>> If you are in a house, have an electrician install two outlets off >>> of >>> where your power comes into your house, one off the A Phase and one >>> off >>> the B phase side. Install filters there and that will be the most >>> efficient way of lowering the outside frequencies from your >>> neighbor's >>> dimmer switches, appliances, etc. Then you are left with what you are >>> creating in the house with your equipment and other radiation >>> radiating >>> with the wires. >>> Sometimes the numbers drop easily and quickly with only a few filters >>> and in some places you'll need two power strips full of filters to >>> get >>> it down to 50. There are many variables. >>> >>> >>> On Jun 2, 2006, at 10:32 PM, Laidback wrote: >>> >>>> I wonder if 600-1400 reading are than the filters can handle. The >>>> 1400 >>>> is the power strips for this computer. 600 in most walls, some as >>>> low >>>> as 200. I might need an electrician. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> McAfee <amcafeerr@...> wrote: >>>> I have readings like that at work in a concert hall backstage >>>> 400-1500+ >>>> (the meter blacks out). In my house it was up to 200. I have done a >>>> lot >>>> of work on the wiring and have filters installed and it is now >>>> around >>>> 5-20. >>>> >>>> On Jun 2, 2006, at 9:06 PM, sctdh wrote: >>>> >>>>> I just got my meter for high frequency noise on the wiring and took >>>>> some readings. They say ideally readings should be under 25 and >>>>> over >>>>> 50 is a problem. My readings are between 600 and 1400. It seems i >>>>> might have a problem. Have other people had readings this high, is >>>>> that typical? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2006 Report Share Posted June 4, 2006 The best is to have the power off when you sleep and no pad in my opinion. Call Stetzer and they will tell you about their power strip. I don't know the difference. On Jun 4, 2006, at 1:55 PM, Laidback wrote: > I can't have any filters in my bedroom by that standard. > > The purpose of the pad is to ground my body. I measure the > electrical current in my body and it drops when i am on the pad. With > the power off the current drops even more if i unplug the pad, so that > means a very small amount of current comes in from the earth. > > As it turns out, I can't afford the filters right now. I also still > want to hear what difference they make for everyone. > > I never found the stetzer power strip, only the quantum. What is the > difference? > > > > > > McAfee <amcafeerr@...> wrote: > I would put filters in outlets that are further than 3 or 4 feet but > that is up to you. > In my measurements and advice from Keen, it is better to have > the conductive pad under the bed so the electrical fields are drawn to > it and not you. > Test the metal frame to see how much current is flowing through it by > testing yourself and then touching it. > > On Jun 3, 2006, at 7:07 PM, Laidback wrote: > >> I have outlets about 3 and 4 feet from the bed. How is that? >> >> I have a conductive pad that is grounded. >> >> I have a foam mattress but a metal frame underneath it. >> >> McAfee <amcafeerr@...> wrote: >> Like I've said before, be sure you have a gauss meter that measures >> magnetic fields so when you put the filters in you can check if the >> magnetic fields get worse alone the wire or near your bed. If they get >> worse, there is a neutral wire problem which can be fixed. >> The harmonics are being shorted back onto the neutral wire and it'll >> overload the wire if not connected properly with the other neutrals. >> Keen is the expert that taught me about this. >> Keen >> EMF Services >> www.emfservices.com >> 888-840-0668 >> . >> So if there are no problems with your neutrals, put the filters so >> your >> sleeping area is as calm as possible. If you have a filter next to >> your >> head, you are going to get a magnetic field and audio frequency >> harmonics near you which is not good. >> Have them at least across the room if not down the hall. >> If the filters whine or make squealing sounds, they are overloaded and >> more need to be put on that wire to bring the " noise " down. I >> recommend >> using the Quantum Conditioners Power Strip or buy Stetzer's power >> strip which works well in reducing the harmonics and smooths out the >> waves quite well. >> >> >> On Jun 3, 2006, at 1:30 PM, Laidback wrote: >> >>> Why not sleep by the filters and how do you define " near? " >>> >>> If i am going to spend $600 i would like to know how much stetzer >>> filters helped the people here on this list. Is it worth it? >>> >>> >>> >>> McAfee <amcafeerr@...> wrote: >>> Put filters near the breaker box to eliminate outside frequencies >>> and >>> then experience with the rest of the house near the appliances. Don't >>> sleep near the filters and I recommend turning the power off to the >>> room where you sleep. >>> Get a body voltage meter and test to see how much voltage is running >>> through you in bed. Less that 50 millivolts is the goal. I had 7 >>> volts >>> running through me once. There may be wires running underneath your >>> floor or in the wall that spill electrical fields over you. >>> I recommend getting rid of the wire spring mattress and bed and sleep >>> on a natural latex foam or organic cotton futon. >>> good luck. >>> >>> On Jun 3, 2006, at 11:44 AM, Laidback wrote: >>> >>>> I rent my house so I don't know if I can make changes like that. I >>>> don't now what A and B phase are. Where does the power enter, is >>>> that >>>> the fuse box? There there outlets abotu sex feet away from the box, >>>> and one has a lower reading, like 200, the others have the average >>>> of >>>> around 500, but those fluctuation. Maybe I can try to do it with the >>>> 20 filters. I may move in a year so i can take the filters with me, >>>> unlike the fixed changes. >>>> >>>> So is this wire noise often the main thing? >>>> I have also grounded my bed and office chair and keep a distance >>>> from some things in the bedroom and office. I wonder how much my >>>> food >>>> is effected in the refrigerator. I don't use the top shelf under the >>>> motor. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> McAfee <amcafeerr@...> wrote: >>>> If you are in a house, have an electrician install two outlets off >>>> of >>>> where your power comes into your house, one off the A Phase and one >>>> off >>>> the B phase side. Install filters there and that will be the most >>>> efficient way of lowering the outside frequencies from your >>>> neighbor's >>>> dimmer switches, appliances, etc. Then you are left with what you >>>> are >>>> creating in the house with your equipment and other radiation >>>> radiating >>>> with the wires. >>>> Sometimes the numbers drop easily and quickly with only a few >>>> filters >>>> and in some places you'll need two power strips full of filters to >>>> get >>>> it down to 50. There are many variables. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Jun 2, 2006, at 10:32 PM, Laidback wrote: >>>> >>>>> I wonder if 600-1400 reading are than the filters can handle. The >>>>> 1400 >>>>> is the power strips for this computer. 600 in most walls, some as >>>>> low >>>>> as 200. I might need an electrician. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> McAfee <amcafeerr@...> wrote: >>>>> I have readings like that at work in a concert hall backstage >>>>> 400-1500+ >>>>> (the meter blacks out). In my house it was up to 200. I have done a >>>>> lot >>>>> of work on the wiring and have filters installed and it is now >>>>> around >>>>> 5-20. >>>>> >>>>> On Jun 2, 2006, at 9:06 PM, sctdh wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I just got my meter for high frequency noise on the wiring and >>>>>> took >>>>>> some readings. They say ideally readings should be under 25 and >>>>>> over >>>>>> 50 is a problem. My readings are between 600 and 1400. It seems i >>>>>> might have a problem. Have other people had readings this high, is >>>>>> that typical? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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