Guest guest Posted March 10, 2004 Report Share Posted March 10, 2004 We've installed Stetzer filters in our office and home. We have also used an oscilloscope to " see " the difference on the 60-Hz sine wave before and after the installation of the filters. They work. They reduce or eliminate the RF spikes on the electrical wiring. Whether the claims that people suffer less blood glucose problems or headaches, or that children learn better has been claimed, but we are still hoping for a good biomarker to prove this. Graham and Dave Stetzer are credible and honest people.. and their product does filter out RF on electrical systems. You can also buy a " Power Sentry " surge protector that is reported to contain an RF filter. These are the traditional " plug-ins " and cost far less than the Stetzer filters. We have not tested them with the oscilloscope however. The website for the power sentry is www.powersentry.com Sage Sage Associates On Wednesday, March 10, 2004, at 06:15 AM, boja1968 wrote: > Have any of you installed the Stetzer Filters and what benefits have > you noticed? Thank you. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2004 Report Share Posted March 10, 2004 > But my (probably previously missformulated but still unanswered) question > is why should we expect that such filtering would be of any practical help!? I found that such filtering was of immense practical help. Although I did not use the Stetzer filters, I used the Quantum power strip, which also claimed as it's only function to be filtering out the high frequency noise in the electricity. This enabled me to return to my job after being unable to go into the building for 10 months! > - Even if principaly we let the hypothesis that dirty power from wires > somehow afflicts us through any unmeasurable field aspects (like > " longitudinal waves " or whatever), still we have to explain why are we > immune to such aspects coming out of street instalation and the > neighbourhood, which are impossible to filter! I think it's not important to eliminate all such noise from all sources, but to merely reduce the total amount of exposure you get each day. So if you reduce the exposure you get in your house or in your workplace, then you will be able to tolerate the remaining exposure better. Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2004 Report Share Posted March 10, 2004 It is very likely that properly designed filters would effectively eliminate (filter out) frequencies and disturbancies other than 50/60 Hz sine power frequency... But my (probably previously missformulated but still unanswered) question is why should we expect that such filtering would be of any practical help!? I have several reasons to doubt that, but I am ready to be assured the opposite: - I have never measured anything relevant coming out a home installation. It is completely different when you measure (as I understand Sage did) what is within wire (or coupled, very near), and when you measure the effect of those currents to the surrounding environment! - If an oscilloscope (or a spectral analizer) is used to monitor the fields that impregnate any urban environment (by connecting oscilloscope to some handy antenna), there is a great number of signals (broadcasting, Dect, mobile phone masts) that are (generally) overhelming any radiation that might " leak " from home power instalation. The only strong signal that comes from installation is power frequency. - Even if principaly we let the hypothesis that dirty power from wires somehow afflicts us through any unmeasurable field aspects (like " longitudinal waves " or whatever), still we have to explain why are we immune to such aspects coming out of street instalation and the neighbourhood, which are impossible to filter! Drasko Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2004 Report Share Posted March 11, 2004 Marc, Cyndy started this thread from purely exact (measurable) point of view. I am aware that such thing as Power Strip could work. But the other thing is possible explanation. I insist that if we talk about physical aspects, than we need to be consequent. Particularly, even if the Power Strip somehow filters all the (measurable!) dirty power (although I could bet it doesn't), that won't change the measurable radition in the building much. It is really usefull to diminish radiation even partially, but the HF part that comes from wires out is miserable compared to total radiation at the place. Tottaly different thing is if we say that Power Strip does " something " with the dirty power, and that that " something " is very helpfull to us. (We'd than better not mention dirty power at all!) Anyway, we already mostly agreed on it but unfortunattely is not here any more to tell us her view, as she apparently is concerned just with physical aspect... Drasko Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2005 Report Share Posted August 18, 2005 > I have been using the Stetzer Filters for about 3 months now both at > home and when I travel. To me, they do make a big difference in that > area of the spectrum. Thanks for that info, ! You've reported what your meter reads, but I'm also curious to know if you feel any better or worse from using these filters. Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2005 Report Share Posted August 18, 2005 Here is an email I got which looks like it was intended to be sent to the list (please address posts to " " ) Re: Stetzer filters This is my first post. I hope I do it right. I have been using stetzer filters also for at least a couple of months. I have 20 of them in my aluminum trailer house with two aluminum roofs. After about a week I was sleeping really good. But the effect on my sleep didn't last although I am feeling really good now. I never thought I'd feel this way again. And I believe it is partly due to the filters. I have been grounding my home. I have many grounds now and am using thick awg number 2 and number 4 wire and placing grounding rods in parts of the ground that are usually wet. The grounding also had a very good effect. I have a faraday cage inside my home, actually two of them. One goes around a frequency plasma tube device. When connecting the wire to the rod I could feel electricity going through my hand even though the frequency generator was not on at the time. The TV is next to it and I think it was pulling the electricity from the TV and pulling it out of the house. I ground the metal I beams under the house in areas where there are electrical appliances and computers directly above on the floor. The grounding and the stetzer filters are having a really good effect. But what I am coming to suspect is that the microwaves have the most harmful effect upon my body. I've been lining garments with a product called velostat made by 3M which blocks microwaves. And this also is having a tremendously good effect. One thing about the stetzer filters that I haven't read about yet. A good comment about them is made at http://www.emfservices.com/sensitivity.htm & e=9771 I think it is in paragraph 3.2 where they discuss an alternative which is EMI Filters. I have yet to talk with an electrician about installing such a filter. But I plan to. And I would appreciate any comments by anyone who knows anything about them or who has experience with them. Thanks. > > I have been using the Stetzer Filters for about 3 months now both at > > home and when I travel. To me, they do make a big difference in that > > area of the spectrum. > > Thanks for that info, ! > > You've reported what your meter reads, but I'm also curious to know > if you feel any better or worse from using these filters. > > Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2005 Report Share Posted August 18, 2005 I definitely FEEL a difference using the stetzer filters. A case in point, my wife and I were staying at a B and B and I felt like hell when I walked into the room. I got my meters out and the magnetic fields didn't look that bad. The RF wasn't good so I checked the wall sockets and the wires were carrying a lot of RF. I put the stetzers in around the room and I could see better, my scalp relaxed, and I felt better. Funny enough, when we were leaving, after I unplugged them, I started feeling worse. Yes, I think the stetzer filters help. On Aug 18, 2005, at 8:16 PM, Marc wrote: > Here is an email I got which looks like it was intended to > be sent to the list (please address posts to " " ) > > Re: Stetzer filters > > This is my first post. I hope I do it right. I have been using > stetzer filters also for at least a couple of months. I have 20 of > them in my aluminum trailer house with two aluminum roofs. After > about a week I was sleeping really good. But the effect on my sleep > didn't last although I am feeling really good now. I never thought > I'd feel this way again. And I believe it is partly due to the > filters. I have been grounding my home. I have many grounds now and > am using thick awg number 2 and number 4 wire and placing grounding > rods in parts of the ground that are usually wet. The grounding also > had a very good effect. I have a faraday cage inside my home, > actually two of them. One goes around a frequency plasma tube > device. When connecting the wire to the rod I could feel electricity > going through my hand even though the frequency generator was not on > at the time. The TV is next to it and I think it was pulling the > electricity from the TV and pulling it out of the house. I ground > the metal I beams under the house in areas where there are electrical > appliances and computers directly above on the floor. The grounding > and the stetzer filters are having a really good effect. But what I > am coming to suspect is that the microwaves have the most harmful > effect upon my body. I've been lining garments with a product called > velostat made by 3M which blocks microwaves. And this also is having > a tremendously good effect. One thing about the stetzer filters that > I haven't read about yet. A good comment about them is made at > http://www.emfservices.com/sensitivity.htm & e=9771 I think it is in > paragraph 3.2 where they discuss an alternative which is EMI > Filters. I have yet to talk with an electrician about installing > such a filter. But I plan to. And I would appreciate any comments by > anyone who knows anything about them or who has experience with > them. Thanks. > > > > > > > > > >>> I have been using the Stetzer Filters for about 3 months now both > at >>> home and when I travel. To me, they do make a big difference in > that >>> area of the spectrum. >> >> Thanks for that info, ! >> >> You've reported what your meter reads, but I'm also curious to know >> if you feel any better or worse from using these filters. >> >> Marc > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2005 Report Share Posted August 19, 2005 Was there also a smoke detector in the room? Could you neutralise this with a Stetzer as well? Re: Fwd: Re: Stetzer filters I definitely FEEL a difference using the stetzer filters. A case in point, my wife and I were staying at a B and B and I felt like hell when I walked into the room. I got my meters out and the magnetic fields didn't look that bad. The RF wasn't good so I checked the wall sockets and the wires were carrying a lot of RF. I put the stetzers in around the room and I could see better, my scalp relaxed, and I felt better. Funny enough, when we were leaving, after I unplugged them, I started feeling worse. Yes, I think the stetzer filters help. On Aug 18, 2005, at 8:16 PM, Marc wrote: > Here is an email I got which looks like it was intended to > be sent to the list (please address posts to " " ) > > Re: Stetzer filters > > This is my first post. I hope I do it right. I have been using > stetzer filters also for at least a couple of months. I have 20 of > them in my aluminum trailer house with two aluminum roofs. After > about a week I was sleeping really good. But the effect on my sleep > didn't last although I am feeling really good now. I never thought > I'd feel this way again. And I believe it is partly due to the > filters. I have been grounding my home. I have many grounds now and > am using thick awg number 2 and number 4 wire and placing grounding > rods in parts of the ground that are usually wet. The grounding also > had a very good effect. I have a faraday cage inside my home, > actually two of them. One goes around a frequency plasma tube device. > When connecting the wire to the rod I could feel electricity going > through my hand even though the frequency generator was not on at the > time. The TV is next to it and I think it was pulling the electricity > from the TV and pulling it out of the house. I ground the metal I > beams under the house in areas where there are electrical appliances > and computers directly above on the floor. The grounding and the > stetzer filters are having a really good effect. But what I am coming > to suspect is that the microwaves have the most harmful effect upon my > body. I've been lining garments with a product called velostat made > by 3M which blocks microwaves. And this also is having a tremendously > good effect. One thing about the stetzer filters that I haven't read > about yet. A good comment about them is made at > http://www.emfservices.com/sensitivity.htm & e=9771 I think it is in > paragraph 3.2 where they discuss an alternative which is EMI Filters. > I have yet to talk with an electrician about installing such a filter. > But I plan to. And I would appreciate any comments by anyone who knows > anything about them or who has experience with them. Thanks. > > > > > > > > > >>> I have been using the Stetzer Filters for about 3 months now both > at >>> home and when I travel. To me, they do make a big difference in > that >>> area of the spectrum. >> >> Thanks for that info, ! >> >> You've reported what your meter reads, but I'm also curious to know >> if you feel any better or worse from using these filters. >> >> Marc > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2005 Report Share Posted August 19, 2005 Hello , most smoke detectors I encounter are fed with a 9Volt battery. However, I have encountered a smoke detector system in an appartment builduing, which got enormous 30 kHz signals. But. As I have measured, the current has to pass through the filter. I mean, the values of the current passing through the filters are going down, but in the mains (before the filter) they remain. So, in the aforementioned case, the filters must be placed before the current enters and leaves the smoke detector. The smoke detector is the main cause of the radiation. Greetings, Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Norton Antivirus Re: Stetzer filters > > > > This is my first post. I hope I do it right. I have been using > > stetzer filters also for at least a couple of months. I have 20 of > > them in my aluminum trailer house with two aluminum roofs. After > > about a week I was sleeping really good. But the effect on my sleep > > didn't last although I am feeling really good now. I never thought > > I'd feel this way again. And I believe it is partly due to the > > filters. I have been grounding my home. I have many grounds now and > > am using thick awg number 2 and number 4 wire and placing grounding > > rods in parts of the ground that are usually wet. The grounding also > > had a very good effect. I have a faraday cage inside my home, > > actually two of them. One goes around a frequency plasma tube device. > > > When connecting the wire to the rod I could feel electricity going > > through my hand even though the frequency generator was not on at the > > time. The TV is next to it and I think it was pulling the electricity > > > from the TV and pulling it out of the house. I ground the metal I > > beams under the house in areas where there are electrical appliances > > and computers directly above on the floor. The grounding and the > > stetzer filters are having a really good effect. But what I am coming > > > to suspect is that the microwaves have the most harmful effect upon my > > > body. I've been lining garments with a product called velostat made > > by 3M which blocks microwaves. And this also is having a tremendously > > > good effect. One thing about the stetzer filters that I haven't read > > about yet. A good comment about them is made at > > http://www.emfservices.com/sensitivity.htm & e=9771 I think it is in > > paragraph 3.2 where they discuss an alternative which is EMI Filters. > > > I have yet to talk with an electrician about installing such a filter. > > > But I plan to. And I would appreciate any comments by anyone who knows > > > anything about them or who has experience with them. Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> I have been using the Stetzer Filters for about 3 months now both > > at > >>> home and when I travel. To me, they do make a big difference in > > that > >>> area of the spectrum. > >> > >> Thanks for that info, ! > >> > >> You've reported what your meter reads, but I'm also curious to know > >> if you feel any better or worse from using these filters. > >> > >> Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2005 Report Share Posted August 19, 2005 I don't know about smoke detectors. What is their deal? On Aug 19, 2005, at 2:02 AM, Benson, (Sen L. ) wrote: > Was there also a smoke detector in the room? Could you neutralise this > with a Stetzer as well? > > > > Re: Fwd: Re: Stetzer filters > > > I definitely FEEL a difference using the stetzer filters. A case in > point, my wife and I were staying at a B and B and I felt like hell > when I walked into the room. I got my meters out and the magnetic > fields didn't look that bad. The RF wasn't good so I checked the wall > sockets and the wires were carrying a lot of RF. I put the stetzers in > around the room and I could see better, my scalp relaxed, and I felt > better. Funny enough, when we were leaving, after I unplugged them, I > started feeling worse. > Yes, I think the stetzer filters help. > > On Aug 18, 2005, at 8:16 PM, Marc wrote: > >> Here is an email I got which looks like it was intended to >> be sent to the list (please address posts to " " ) >> >> Re: Stetzer filters >> >> This is my first post. I hope I do it right. I have been using >> stetzer filters also for at least a couple of months. I have 20 of >> them in my aluminum trailer house with two aluminum roofs. After >> about a week I was sleeping really good. But the effect on my sleep >> didn't last although I am feeling really good now. I never thought >> I'd feel this way again. And I believe it is partly due to the >> filters. I have been grounding my home. I have many grounds now and >> am using thick awg number 2 and number 4 wire and placing grounding >> rods in parts of the ground that are usually wet. The grounding also >> had a very good effect. I have a faraday cage inside my home, >> actually two of them. One goes around a frequency plasma tube device. > >> When connecting the wire to the rod I could feel electricity going >> through my hand even though the frequency generator was not on at the >> time. The TV is next to it and I think it was pulling the electricity > >> from the TV and pulling it out of the house. I ground the metal I >> beams under the house in areas where there are electrical appliances >> and computers directly above on the floor. The grounding and the >> stetzer filters are having a really good effect. But what I am coming > >> to suspect is that the microwaves have the most harmful effect upon my > >> body. I've been lining garments with a product called velostat made >> by 3M which blocks microwaves. And this also is having a tremendously > >> good effect. One thing about the stetzer filters that I haven't read >> about yet. A good comment about them is made at >> http://www.emfservices.com/sensitivity.htm & e=9771 I think it is in >> paragraph 3.2 where they discuss an alternative which is EMI Filters. > >> I have yet to talk with an electrician about installing such a filter. > >> But I plan to. And I would appreciate any comments by anyone who knows > >> anything about them or who has experience with them. Thanks. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>> I have been using the Stetzer Filters for about 3 months now both >> at >>>> home and when I travel. To me, they do make a big difference in >> that >>>> area of the spectrum. >>> >>> Thanks for that info, ! >>> >>> You've reported what your meter reads, but I'm also curious to know >>> if you feel any better or worse from using these filters. >>> >>> Marc >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2005 Report Share Posted August 19, 2005 Hi , By the way, where did you come up with the idea to plug multiple Stetzer filters into a single power strip? I don't recall reading about anyone else trying this before. Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2005 Report Share Posted August 19, 2005 I can't take credit for that. I called Stetzer and he suggested it after I told him that I was getting a whining sound from only one filter in a socket. On Aug 19, 2005, at 12:57 PM, Marc wrote: > Hi , > > By the way, where did you come up with the idea to plug multiple > Stetzer filters into a single power strip? I don't recall reading > about anyone else trying this before. > > Marc > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2005 Report Share Posted August 20, 2005 In a message dated 8/18/2005 8:00:44 PM Pacific Daylight Time, amcafeerr@... writes: Yes, I think the stetzer filters help. hi All : ) I have the stetzer filters. I *definitely* notice a modest but real difference from them and so does my husband who is the furthest from electrical or any other kind of environmental sensitivity that you could get! It feels " calmer " in our apartment. Also, a friend commented on how calm it feels in the apartment. I got them directly from stetzer electronics in Minnesota. That way, I could buy as few or as many as I wanted (other places sell them as a set and have more of the fliters that I really needed). They were invented by Stetzer, who is an electrician and Graham, who is a professor emeritus of electrical engineering from UC Berkeley. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2005 Report Share Posted August 20, 2005 In a message dated 8/19/2005 9:58:29 AM Pacific Daylight Time, marc@... writes: By the way, where did you come up with the idea to plug multiple Stetzer filters into a single power strip? I don't recall reading about anyone else trying this before. I am not the one who posted this but we have mulitple filters in one power strip. there are guidelines I don't exactly remember but the more electronic equipment on the power strip, the more filters you need. If you talk to dave stetzer at stetzer electronics he could tell you the general rule. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2005 Report Share Posted August 20, 2005 McAfee wrote: > I can't take credit for that. I called Stetzer and he suggested it > after I told him that I was getting a whining sound from only one > filter in a socket. So do you have the recommended number of filters (20+), or can you get away with less? When I read the recommended number of filters, I have to laugh, because it seems like an absurdly high amount, both in number and in cost. Certainly if you only want to focus on the bedroom or the living room, you must be able to get away with fewer filters? From the benefits that I read that people are getting from the Stetzer filters, I note that I have gotten essentially the same benefits from my use of the Quantum power strips. And at least with these, one unit makes a tangible difference (to me, at least) throughout the house. And I'm a bit confused about the recommendations for the workplace. I read that a recommendation of using just 2 Stetzer filters at work, while you've got 20 at home??? This seems silly to me, as my workplace is MUCH worse than my home, with the hundreds of computers and florescent lights there. Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2005 Report Share Posted August 20, 2005 I agree. Both my workplace and my wife's office are horrible areas in Stetzer readings. In our house, I have about 10 filters and that is enough. I think in order to lower the levels in my wife's office to below 50, I would need at least 10 if not 15. Those wall outlets in her old office building seem to be independent of each other so they don't cancel each other when I hook up a strip full of filters to one of them. So unless we put in a huge filter system at the fuse box for the whole building, I think putting about 4 in every socket in the room (which there are 3) might bring it down to a reasonable amount. I have 6 in her office now and they still whine. I don't have all of them on outlet strips though. I need to buy a couple more outlet strips and put 4 on each. The home was much easier because the levels were lower and the canceling effect was noticeable (plug in a couple here and the next wall socket was under 10 so I didn't need to plug one in there), etc. Now, if I were in a big city apartment or condo, those readings might be between 250-500 so that might take 20 filters or so filters to bring down to under 50. I think it depends on the readings of each place. All of this depends upon having a Stetzer meter too. I don't know if there is another meter that can take the same readings. One of you guys would know more about meters and what they can do than me. On Aug 20, 2005, at 2:46 PM, Marc wrote: > McAfee wrote: >> I can't take credit for that. I called Stetzer and he suggested it >> after I told him that I was getting a whining sound from only one >> filter in a socket. > > So do you have the recommended number of filters (20+), or can > you get away with less? When I read the recommended number > of filters, I have to laugh, because it seems like an absurdly > high amount, both in number and in cost. Certainly if you > only want to focus on the bedroom or the living room, you > must be able to get away with fewer filters? > > From the benefits that I read that people are getting from > the Stetzer filters, I note that I have gotten essentially > the same benefits from my use of the Quantum power strips. > And at least with these, one unit makes a tangible > difference (to me, at least) throughout the house. > > And I'm a bit confused about the recommendations for > the workplace. I read that a recommendation of using > just 2 Stetzer filters at work, while you've got 20 > at home??? This seems silly to me, as my workplace is > MUCH worse than my home, with the hundreds of computers > and florescent lights there. > > Marc > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2005 Report Share Posted August 20, 2005 > Now, if I were in a big city apartment or condo, those readings might > be between 250-500 so that might take 20 filters or so filters to bring > down to under 50. One thing I've noticed is that the readings I get on my Stetzerizer meter seem rather random. That is, one night my bedroom can be reading 50, and then another night it can be reading 300. There's nothing different that I can tell going on in my house, so the variability presumably must be from the neighbors or the utility. But again, I can plug in a $20 Quantum minimax or a $60 Quantum power strip and get instant relief. I'm not sure what the additional benefit might be to purchase $600 of Stetzerizer filters, other than to get the reading on one meter to drop. :-) Also, I'm still concerned that I may be incompatible with these capacitor shunt filters -- it's not only the Stetzerizer filter that's given me a sharp pain in my head... I once bought a power strip with a capacitor RF filter in it that gave me the same reaction. Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2005 Report Share Posted August 20, 2005 > I got them directly from stetzer electronics in Minnesota. That way, I > could buy as few or as many as I wanted Thanks for that info, -- how many filters do you use in your apartment? Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2005 Report Share Posted August 20, 2005 What ever works. I actually am using 2 Quantum power strips, one at home and one in my wife's office. Maybe that is what is making the difference. On Aug 20, 2005, at 4:19 PM, Marc wrote: >> Now, if I were in a big city apartment or condo, those readings might >> be between 250-500 so that might take 20 filters or so filters to >> bring >> down to under 50. > > One thing I've noticed is that the readings I get on my Stetzerizer > meter seem rather random. That is, one night my bedroom can be reading > 50, and then another night it can be reading 300. There's nothing > different that I can tell going on in my house, so the variability > presumably must be from the neighbors or the utility. > > But again, I can plug in a $20 Quantum minimax or a $60 Quantum > power strip and get instant relief. I'm not sure what the additional > benefit might be to purchase $600 of Stetzerizer filters, other than > to get the reading on one meter to drop. :-) > > Also, I'm still concerned that I may be incompatible with these > capacitor shunt filters -- it's not only the Stetzerizer filter > that's given me a sharp pain in my head... I once bought a power strip > with a capacitor RF filter in it that gave me the same reaction. > > Marc > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2005 Report Share Posted August 21, 2005 It is my opinion, that a disadvantage of these filters is, that for the european version, there is no earth connection pin. There is only the flat 2-pin Euro plugin. Greetings, Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Norton Antivirus Re: Re: Stetzer filters > I agree. Both my workplace and my wife's office are horrible areas in > Stetzer readings. In our house, I have about 10 filters and that is > enough. I think in order to lower the levels in my wife's office to > below 50, I would need at least 10 if not 15. Those wall outlets in her > old office building seem to be independent of each other so they don't > cancel each other when I hook up a strip full of filters to one of > them. > So unless we put in a huge filter system at the fuse box for the whole > building, I think putting about 4 in every socket in the room (which > there are 3) might bring it down to a reasonable amount. I have 6 in > her office now and they still whine. I don't have all of them on outlet > strips though. I need to buy a couple more outlet strips and put 4 on > each. > The home was much easier because the levels were lower and the > canceling effect was noticeable (plug in a couple here and the next > wall socket was under 10 so I didn't need to plug one in there), etc. > Now, if I were in a big city apartment or condo, those readings might > be between 250-500 so that might take 20 filters or so filters to bring > down to under 50. I think it depends on the readings of each place. All > of this depends upon having a Stetzer meter too. > I don't know if there is another meter that can take the same readings. > One of you guys would know more about meters and what they can do than > me. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2005 Report Share Posted August 21, 2005 charles wrote: > It is my opinion, that a disadvantage of these filters is, that for the > european version, there is no earth connection pin. > There is only the flat 2-pin Euro plugin. And why is this a disadvantage? Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2005 Report Share Posted August 21, 2005 Hello Marc, that should be obvious. For instance, all my computer stuff must be earthed. By placing a Stetzer filter in the mains socket, and than the other stuff after that, I do not have an earth ground. And then my magnetis fields can not fly away. ;o)) Greetings, Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Norton Antivirus Re: Re: Stetzer filters > charles wrote: > > It is my opinion, that a disadvantage of these filters is, that for the > > european version, there is no earth connection pin. > > There is only the flat 2-pin Euro plugin. > > And why is this a disadvantage? > > Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2005 Report Share Posted August 21, 2005 The computers are a big source of my problem. One of the two that I have is powered off. When it is on I can not rest on the floor. The other is not turned on but it still has power to it except when I use it and then it is turned on. I can not put my feet on the floor when I am using it either. Would you be so kind as to explain what specific steps you use to " earth " your computer. I would be forever grateful. Thank you. - In , " charles " <charles@m...> wrote: > Hello Marc, > > that should be obvious. > > For instance, all my computer stuff must be earthed. > > By placing a Stetzer filter in the mains socket, and than the other stuff > after that, I do not have an earth ground. > And then my magnetis fields can not fly away. ;o)) > > Greetings, > Claessens > member Verband Baubiologie > www.milieuziektes.nl > www.milieuziektes.be > www.hetbitje.nl > checked by Norton Antivirus > > > Re: Re: Stetzer filters > > > > charles wrote: > > > It is my opinion, that a disadvantage of these filters is, that for the > > > european version, there is no earth connection pin. > > > There is only the flat 2-pin Euro plugin. > > > > And why is this a disadvantage? > > > > Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2005 Report Share Posted August 21, 2005 Somke detectors use something called Americium 241, which is radioactive - see this link for info. They are powered by small batteries and do not radiate without them. Most houses in Australia have them because it is illegal not to. I find that if I am in a house that has them I cannot get to sleep, and have spoken to others who have the same problem. http://www.uic.com.au/nip35.htm Re: Fwd: Re: Stetzer filters > > > I definitely FEEL a difference using the stetzer filters. A case in > point, my wife and I were staying at a B and B and I felt like hell > when I walked into the room. I got my meters out and the magnetic > fields didn't look that bad. The RF wasn't good so I checked the wall > sockets and the wires were carrying a lot of RF. I put the stetzers in > around the room and I could see better, my scalp relaxed, and I felt > better. Funny enough, when we were leaving, after I unplugged them, I > started feeling worse. Yes, I think the stetzer filters help. > > On Aug 18, 2005, at 8:16 PM, Marc wrote: > >> Here is an email I got which looks like it was intended to be sent to >> the list (please address posts to " " ) >> >> Re: Stetzer filters >> >> This is my first post. I hope I do it right. I have been using >> stetzer filters also for at least a couple of months. I have 20 of >> them in my aluminum trailer house with two aluminum roofs. After >> about a week I was sleeping really good. But the effect on my sleep >> didn't last although I am feeling really good now. I never thought >> I'd feel this way again. And I believe it is partly due to the >> filters. I have been grounding my home. I have many grounds now and >> am using thick awg number 2 and number 4 wire and placing grounding >> rods in parts of the ground that are usually wet. The grounding also >> had a very good effect. I have a faraday cage inside my home, >> actually two of them. One goes around a frequency plasma tube >> device. > >> When connecting the wire to the rod I could feel electricity going >> through my hand even though the frequency generator was not on at the >> time. The TV is next to it and I think it was pulling the >> electricity > >> from the TV and pulling it out of the house. I ground the metal I >> beams under the house in areas where there are electrical appliances >> and computers directly above on the floor. The grounding and the >> stetzer filters are having a really good effect. But what I am >> coming > >> to suspect is that the microwaves have the most harmful effect upon >> my > >> body. I've been lining garments with a product called velostat made >> by 3M which blocks microwaves. And this also is having a >> tremendously > >> good effect. One thing about the stetzer filters that I haven't read >> about yet. A good comment about them is made at >> http://www.emfservices.com/sensitivity.htm & e=9771 I think it is in >> paragraph 3.2 where they discuss an alternative which is EMI Filters. > >> I have yet to talk with an electrician about installing such a >> filter. > >> But I plan to. And I would appreciate any comments by anyone who >> knows > >> anything about them or who has experience with them. Thanks. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>> I have been using the Stetzer Filters for about 3 months now both >> at >>>> home and when I travel. To me, they do make a big difference in >> that >>>> area of the spectrum. >>> >>> Thanks for that info, ! >>> >>> You've reported what your meter reads, but I'm also curious to know >>> if you feel any better or worse from using these filters. >>> >>> Marc >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2005 Report Share Posted August 22, 2005 Earth means groundede to earth. For electrical connection, there are three wires; -brown for *phase* or *live* -blue for *null* -green/yellow for earth Normally, computers do have a plug with three pins. Many people do use a powerstrip with several sockets. They usually do have a three pin connection. Especially with computers and computer accessories like printers and scanners, it is essentuial that everything is grounded. However, when the mains socket in the wall only has two pins, than the whole system is not grounded to earth. And then you have a problem. The computer may strike sometimes by that fact. So you must make your own grounding to earth. Make that extra cable green/yellow yourself, or let an electrician do that. Some printers and flatscreens and scanners do use a small transformator, which has a plug with only two pins. It is possible to connect the metal housing to earth separately, if there are magnetic fields occurring. But here an electrician can do the work properly. Greetings, Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Norton Antivirus Re: Re: Stetzer filters > > > > > > > charles wrote: > > > > It is my opinion, that a disadvantage of these filters is, that > for the > > > > european version, there is no earth connection pin. > > > > There is only the flat 2-pin Euro plugin. > > > > > > And why is this a disadvantage? > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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