Re: Cell Towers / Burning Skin

[Guest guest]

> Trying to see my family & it is just impossible. skin burns.

Is skin burning the only symptom you're trying to overcome?

Is it just in the face, or elsewhere?

You might want to research that particular symptom, as I'm

sure there are more things than just EMF that can cause

burning skin. I get the best relief from burning skin

using the devices you already tried and returned (Quantum

Products), but next up I guess I'd try some kind of

antioxidant supplement or perhaps an essential fatty acid

supplement? For me, " H-Minus " from e3Live helps relieve

burning skin:

http://www.e3live.com/all_products/h_minus.html

(note the $13 trial size!)

Also, Shikai Dry Skin Therapy skin lotion is helpful:

http://www.shikai.com/products/borage_order.htm

The skin lotion can probably be found in any health

food store.

Marc

[Guest guest]

Hi, Marc and Loni,

 

Yes, I get skin burning from glutens, pesticides, various chemicals, and molds,

besides emfs/magnetic frequencies.  It has been postulated by some alternative

docs that I may be experiencing a type of autonomic neruopathy or small-fiber

neuropathy, but I have not checked this out as I am rather AMA doctor phobic and

I'd like to hang onto my money for other things right now. If you are not

getting headaches and other symptoms, then the possibility exists that what you

are experiencing might not be ES (tho for you to come to this conclusion

probably means it is--ES isn't the first place people look to to explain their

symptoms.)

 

As to the helps that Marc mentions, the hydrogen supplement helps me in other

ways than just for the burning (with energy depletion, bp plummeting, body temp,

heart rate...), as does alkalizing my water (or alkalizing in general). 

Alkalizing as a whole has an affect on the adrenal glands--acidic metabolism

causes a rise in serotonin secretion (in the body, not the brain).  It is my

understanding that serotonin also has a role to play in helping regulate the

autonomic system (with the adrenal glands). When the hormone is out of

sinc with the other hormones or too abundant, the autonomic system can

malfunction.  Hydrogen causes alkalization and a lessening of serotonin

dumping (as do a number of other supplements--NADH is similar tho expensive; if

my memory serves, rhodeola rosea is another herbal supplement that can

alkalize/affect the hydrogen in your body, tho when I tried it, it was less

potent than what I needed.)   And, it could be

that the hydrogen products are working just because they provide negative ions

for the positive ions from emf/magnetic frequencies to bond to, thus keeping

your body from becoming too acid and causing serotonin dumping from that.

Calcium AEP and pantethine and co-Q10 are all supplements that help the adrenals

and the autonomic system, (as a result of helping the adrenals, if not

directly). CoQ10, cal AEP, and pantethine also help the lymphatic system, which

can be a factor in who develops ES. I am not positive (I have notes somewhere

but I am packing to move and everything is in disarray), but I think coQ10, cal

AEP, and pantethine are also supplements that affect the liver detox phases.

So, what I am saying is, to some degree, any or all of these should help you on

an ongoing basis, not necessarily just when you are on the road (tho I can

understand needing helps for this as well). And I am saying also, that if Marc

likes the " H-minus " product for this, there is some evidence as to why and how

it works. Marc and I have had this conversation before and I use " Hydrogen

Booster " (which I believe Marc recommended to me), but there are certainly other

hydrogen boosting products

out there which will also work.

These are not the only supplements which work for ES. I find balancing

electrolytes helps (I esp like a product called " Electro-blast " , but I don't

like to order online and have not been able to order this for sometime by phone,

so do not know whether they are still in business.) Omega oils, fatty acids,

lipids--this whole line of supplements seem to help me in particular ratios--I

couldn't possibly suggest amounts and products for these, as these seem to be

supplements which you have to tweak to your own body's needs. For me

personally, any supplements which help my liver also help the ES. This includes

supplements which address liver detox pathway issues.

Also, you can experiment with various types of jewelry that you own. I have

experimented with wearing a stainless steel necklace and bracelet. If I wear

them next to my skin, it causes worse burning and pain. It works if I wear them

over clothing (needs to be rather thick, so this might not work for you in the

desert this time of year! lol) But certainly try things like this by sitting

them close to you or in front of you if you cannot wear it. Try silver,

crystals, gems, etc--various gems and crystals also have absorbing properties.

Esp try strings of beads which have no metal clasps. It is a bit like trees--if

you can attract the emfs to another object, then they can sometimes be less

attracted to you. ALSO along this vein, the REMOVAL of jewelry might help.

Wires in eyeglasses, underwire bras, your wedding ring...

What helps me most in the car is film on windows and aluminum foil on the

sunvisors which I can put up and down as a shield from particular directions.

(And which doesn't always work if there is a tower behind you somewhere.)

Good luck, Loni. So much of this is trial and error that you just have to work

at until you find a solution.

Diane

From: Marc <marc@...>

Subject: Re: Cell Towers / Burning Skin

Date: Monday, July 28, 2008, 5:44 PM

> Trying to see my family & it is just impossible. skin burns.

Is skin burning the only symptom you're trying to overcome?

Is it just in the face, or elsewhere?

You might want to research that particular symptom, as I'm

sure there are more things than just EMF that can cause

burning skin. I get the best relief from burning skin

using the devices you already tried and returned (Quantum

Products), but next up I guess I'd try some kind of

antioxidant supplement or perhaps an essential fatty acid

supplement? For me, " H-Minus " from e3Live helps relieve

burning skin:

http://www.e3live. com/all_products /h_minus. html

(note the $13 trial size!)

Also, Shikai Dry Skin Therapy skin lotion is helpful:

http://www.shikai. com/products/ borage_order. htm

The skin lotion can probably be found in any health

food store.

Marc

[Guest guest]

No I am in severe pain in my gut & I am very nervous here as well as skin

burning. It is definitely the RF from the 5 or 6 cell towers near my house. I

can see them out the back window. They have a direct shot in to my house & my

house was tested very high.

Loni

From: Marc <marc@...>

Subject: Re: Cell Towers / Burning Skin

Date: Monday, July 28, 2008, 2:44 PM

> Trying to see my family & it is just impossible. skin burns.

Is skin burning the only symptom you're trying to overcome?

Is it just in the face, or elsewhere?

You might want to research that particular symptom, as I'm

sure there are more things than just EMF that can cause

burning skin. I get the best relief from burning skin

using the devices you already tried and returned (Quantum

Products), but next up I guess I'd try some kind of

antioxidant supplement or perhaps an essential fatty acid

supplement? For me, " H-Minus " from e3Live helps relieve

burning skin:

http://www.e3live. com/all_products /h_minus. html

(note the $13 trial size!)

Also, Shikai Dry Skin Therapy skin lotion is helpful:

http://www.shikai. com/products/ borage_order. htm

The skin lotion can probably be found in any health

food store.

Marc

[Guest guest]

Yes, I figured you must be having more symptoms than just skin burning.

I'm familiar with the " very nervous " symptom, but again for this I'd

look at antioxidants and fats, or possibly something that binds onto

toxins (activated charcoal, apple pectin, bentonite, possibly

chlorella).

I'm not familiar with the " severe pain in gut " symptom -- anyone

else here have this, and have a solution for it?

Marc

On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 10:55:14 -0700 (PDT), " Loni Rosser " <loni326@...>

said:

> No I am in severe pain in my gut & I am very nervous here as well as skin

> burning. It is definitely the RF from the 5 or 6 cell towers near my

> house. I can see them out the back window. They have a direct shot in to

> my house & my house was tested very high.

[Guest guest]

Thanks Marc

-- On Wed, 7/30/08, Marc <marc@...> wrote:

From: Marc <marc@...>

Subject: Re: Cell Towers / Burning Skin

Date: Wednesday, July 30, 2008, 11:32 AM

Yes, I figured you must be having more symptoms than just skin burning.

I'm familiar with the " very nervous " symptom, but again for this I'd

look at antioxidants and fats, or possibly something that binds onto

toxins (activated charcoal, apple pectin, bentonite, possibly

chlorella).

I'm not familiar with the " severe pain in gut " symptom -- anyone

else here have this, and have a solution for it?

Marc

On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 10:55:14 -0700 (PDT), " Loni Rosser " <loni326 (DOT) com>

said:

> No I am in severe pain in my gut & I am very nervous here as well as skin

> burning. It is definitely the RF from the 5 or 6 cell towers near my

> house. I can see them out the back window. They have a direct shot in to

> my house & my house was tested very high.

[Guest guest]

> I'm not familiar with the " severe pain in gut " symptom -- anyone

> else here have this, and have a solution for it?

Actually, I'm wondering if the pain in gut might be a bacterial

/ parasitic problem worsened by EMF exposure? Do you have any

reaction to anti-bacterial / anti-parasitic substances? Things

like grapefruit seed extract, garlic, oil of oregano? Maybe

even a probiotic? On the subject of probiotics, I've noted

that " Primal Defense " can reliably reduce some of my ES

symptoms. Primal Defense has a bunch of stuff in it, so

I'm not 100% sure that it's the probiotic part of it that

helps.

Marc

[Guest guest]

Hello,

" severe pain in gut " is a well known symptom of a number of

electrosensibles.

It can be from the stomach or the intestines, or both.

A number of women do have problems with the urinary tracks, and experience

unvoluntary watering, even without doing it at that moment.

It is all a matter of very damaged immune system.

If you are able to raise the immune system, the sensibility for elektrosmog

wil be less.

It will not go over, but it will be less.

So the suffering will be less.

Complaining and using some *things* is not the solution.

First the immune system must be repaired, and only then those *things* will

help.

Greetings,

Claessens

member Verband Baubiologie

www.milieuziektes.nl

www.milieuziektes.be

www.hetbitje.nl

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Re: Cell Towers / Burning Skin

> Yes, I figured you must be having more symptoms than just skin burning.

> I'm familiar with the " very nervous " symptom, but again for this I'd

> look at antioxidants and fats, or possibly something that binds onto

> toxins (activated charcoal, apple pectin, bentonite, possibly

> chlorella).

>

> I'm not familiar with the " severe pain in gut " symptom -- anyone

> else here have this, and have a solution for it?

>

> Marc

>

> On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 10:55:14 -0700 (PDT), " Loni Rosser "

> <loni326@...> said:

>> No I am in severe pain in my gut & I am very nervous here as well as skin

>> burning. It is definitely the RF from the 5 or 6 cell towers near my

>> house. I can see them out the back window. They have a direct shot in to

>> my house & my house was tested very high.

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Nope, goes away when I get away from cell towers. Loni

From: Marc <marc@...>

Subject: Re: Cell Towers / Burning Skin

Date: Wednesday, July 30, 2008, 11:41 AM

> I'm not familiar with the " severe pain in gut " symptom -- anyone

> else here have this, and have a solution for it?

Actually, I'm wondering if the pain in gut might be a bacterial

/ parasitic problem worsened by EMF exposure? Do you have any

reaction to anti-bacterial / anti-parasitic substances? Things

like grapefruit seed extract, garlic, oil of oregano? Maybe

even a probiotic? On the subject of probiotics, I've noted

that " Primal Defense " can reliably reduce some of my ES

symptoms. Primal Defense has a bunch of stuff in it, so

I'm not 100% sure that it's the probiotic part of it that

helps.

Marc

[Guest guest]

Yes I think you are correct. Loni

From: charles <charles@...>

Subject: Re: Cell Towers / Burning Skin

Date: Wednesday, July 30, 2008, 11:59 AM

Hello,

" severe pain in gut " is a well known symptom of a number of

electrosensibles.

It can be from the stomach or the intestines, or both.

A number of women do have problems with the urinary tracks, and experience

unvoluntary watering, even without doing it at that moment.

It is all a matter of very damaged immune system.

If you are able to raise the immune system, the sensibility for elektrosmog

wil be less.

It will not go over, but it will be less.

So the suffering will be less.

Complaining and using some *things* is not the solution.

First the immune system must be repaired, and only then those *things* will

help.

Greetings,

Claessens

member Verband Baubiologie

www.milieuziektes.nl

www.milieuziektes.be

www.hetbitje.nl

checked by Bitdefender

Re: Cell Towers / Burning Skin

> Yes, I figured you must be having more symptoms than just skin burning.

> I'm familiar with the " very nervous " symptom, but again for

this I'd

> look at antioxidants and fats, or possibly something that binds onto

> toxins (activated charcoal, apple pectin, bentonite, possibly

> chlorella).

>

> I'm not familiar with the " severe pain in gut " symptom --

anyone

> else here have this, and have a solution for it?

>

> Marc

>

> On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 10:55:14 -0700 (PDT), " Loni Rosser "

> <loni326@...> said:

>> No I am in severe pain in my gut & I am very nervous here as well

as skin

>> burning. It is definitely the RF from the 5 or 6 cell towers near my

>> house. I can see them out the back window. They have a direct shot in

to

>> my house & my house was tested very high.

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

> Nope, goes away when I get away from cell towers. Loni

Yes, but there has to be some sort of explanation for

the cell tower EMF to translate into gut pain. The

EMF by itself is not causing it, as if it was, then

everyone would have gut pain. So it is the EMF plus

something else. EMF plus parasites is plausible, as

is EMF plus heavy metals. Getting away from the cell

towers eliminates the pain because one of the two

necessary factors for the pain is gone. However,

addressing the other factor could also eliminate

the pain, even with continued cell tower exposure.

Marc

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 30/07/2008 23:59:49 GMT Daylight Time, marc@...

writes:

Yes, but there has to be some sort of explanation for

the cell tower EMF to translate into gut pain. The

EMF by itself is not causing it, as if it was, then

everyone would have gut pain. So it is the EMF plus

something else. EMF plus parasites is plausible, as

is EMF plus heavy metals. Getting away from the cell

towers eliminates the pain because one of the two

necessary factors for the pain is gone. However,

addressing the other factor could also eliminate

the pain, even with continued cell tower exposure.

This is nonsense, Mark. Everyone does not react in the same way.

Saying that there must be some other physical cause is a waste of time. It

might be genetic, or it might be the result of exposure in the past to EMR.

Loni needs something that helps her now as her electrosensitivity is

probably going to get worse with further exposure.

It's well established with allergic reactions that some people's reaction

gets worse with each exposure.

For example, my wife is allergic to insect bites. She is often bitten on

the legs while gardening and her leg swells up with blisters. Nothing

conventional seemed to work, each time the effect got worse, but we found

magnotherapy can control it and stop the inflammation and blistering.

I am not suggesting magnotherapy as a treatment here, I know some

electrosensitives have a problem with static magnets, but Loni needs an

inexpensive way

to find which solution will work for her, and no-one else can advise her

other than suggesting something else to test.

Just because a possible solution hasn't worked for you or a friend of yours

doesn't mean it will not work for Loni, we are all different.

Best wishes

electrosensitivity.co.uk

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 31/07/2008 15:04:06 GMT Daylight Time, marc@...

writes:

Tell that to all the people who have cured themselves of their ES

by focusing on something else other than EMF...

Do you mean 'pull yourself together, it's all in the mind'

Or did you mean clean up your environment first and lose all those harmful

shampoos, soaps, etc.

Best wishes

electrosensitivity.co.uk

[Guest guest]

Of course the ultimate detox is from without not from within, ie swtich off

all the antagonistic technologies ! It is unlikley that we will ever have an

armistice day,, so back to the drawing board.

puk

[Guest guest]

> This is nonsense, Mark. Everyone does not react in the same way.

> Saying that there must be some other physical cause is a waste of time.

Tell that to all the people who have cured themselves of their ES

by focusing on something else other than EMF...

Marc

[Guest guest]

Mark, I really fail to see how you can cure yourself

of the cumulative effects of EMF, if the levels remain

extremely high in your home. It makes me ache at

times too.

Maureen

Re: Cell Towers / Burning Skin

Tell that to all the people who have cured themselves of their ES

by focusing on something else other than EMF...

Marc

[Guest guest]

> Do you mean 'pull yourself together, it's all in the mind'

> Or did you mean clean up your environment first and lose all those

> harmful shampoos, soaps, etc.

People who claim to have cured themselves of ES often do

this by undergoing a heavy metal detox. This usually takes

several years and costs several thousands of dollars. Of

course, improving ones diet, taking appropriate supplements,

eliminating exposure to toxic substances, and avoiding heavy

EMF exposure can make one feel better in the meantime and

speed up the process.

But of course, that is what this discussion group is all

about, as are websites such as this one:

http://www.electrical-sensitivity.info/

Marc

[Guest guest]

> Mark, I really fail to see how you can cure yourself

> of the cumulative effects of EMF, if the levels remain

> extremely high in your home. It makes me ache at

> times too.

Certainly eliminating excessive EMF exposure would be a

great thing to do when trying to get well. And I did

recommend moving to Loni when she first reported those

cellphone towers. But sometimes moving doesn't appear

to be an option, and in such cases you need to focus

on other methods.

Marc

[Guest guest]

It is also a matter of improving the immune system.

Detox does not have to be expensive.

An ionizing footspa can do wonders within several weeks.

Do read the free downloadable book *Flow System Therapy* under Literature on

my website.

Greetings,

Claessens

member Verband Baubiologie

www.milieuziektes.nl

www.milieuziektes.be

www.hetbitje.nl

checked by Bitdefender

Re: Cell Towers / Burning Skin

>> Do you mean 'pull yourself together, it's all in the mind'

>> Or did you mean clean up your environment first and lose all those

>> harmful shampoos, soaps, etc.

>

> People who claim to have cured themselves of ES often do

> this by undergoing a heavy metal detox. This usually takes

> several years and costs several thousands of dollars. Of

> course, improving ones diet, taking appropriate supplements,

> eliminating exposure to toxic substances, and avoiding heavy

> EMF exposure can make one feel better in the meantime and

> speed up the process.

>

> But of course, that is what this discussion group is all

> about, as are websites such as this one:

>

> http://www.electrical-sensitivity.info/

>

> Marc

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Well I have fungus in my gut but the pain is caused by recked immune system due

to fungus overexposure.

The gut pain is absent away from cell antennas. I had no pain at all in Snow

Flake.

Loni

From: Marc <marc@...>

Subject: Re: Cell Towers / Burning Skin

Date: Wednesday, July 30, 2008, 3:59 PM

> Nope, goes away when I get away from cell towers. Loni

Yes, but there has to be some sort of explanation for

the cell tower EMF to translate into gut pain. The

EMF by itself is not causing it, as if it was, then

everyone would have gut pain. So it is the EMF plus

something else. EMF plus parasites is plausible, as

is EMF plus heavy metals. Getting away from the cell

towers eliminates the pain because one of the two

necessary factors for the pain is gone. However,

addressing the other factor could also eliminate

the pain, even with continued cell tower exposure.

Marc

[Guest guest]

Thanks , you are correct. I have a genetic immune problem & am on steroids

that have also contributed to my recked immune system as well as the infection

of all the fungus in my gut. I'm in bad shape. Loni

From: JBainSI@... <JBainSI@...>

Subject: Re: Cell Towers / Burning Skin

Date: Thursday, July 31, 2008, 12:43 AM

In a message dated 30/07/2008 23:59:49 GMT Daylight Time, marcufoseries (DOT) com

writes:

Yes, but there has to be some sort of explanation for

the cell tower EMF to translate into gut pain. The

EMF by itself is not causing it, as if it was, then

everyone would have gut pain. So it is the EMF plus

something else. EMF plus parasites is plausible, as

is EMF plus heavy metals. Getting away from the cell

towers eliminates the pain because one of the two

necessary factors for the pain is gone. However,

addressing the other factor could also eliminate

the pain, even with continued cell tower exposure.

This is nonsense, Mark. Everyone does not react in the same way.

Saying that there must be some other physical cause is a waste of time. It

might be genetic, or it might be the result of exposure in the past to EMR.

Loni needs something that helps her now as her electrosensitivity is

probably going to get worse with further exposure.

It's well established with allergic reactions that some people's reaction

gets worse with each exposure.

For example, my wife is allergic to insect bites. She is often bitten on

the legs while gardening and her leg swells up with blisters. Nothing

conventional seemed to work, each time the effect got worse, but we found

magnotherapy can control it and stop the inflammation and blistering.

I am not suggesting magnotherapy as a treatment here, I know some

electrosensitives have a problem with static magnets, but Loni needs an

inexpensive way

to find which solution will work for her, and no-one else can advise her

other than suggesting something else to test.

Just because a possible solution hasn't worked for you or a friend of yours

doesn't mean it will not work for Loni, we are all different.

Best wishes

electrosensitivity. co.uk

[Guest guest]

It is the RF Marc from the cell anntennas

From: Marc <marc@...>

Subject: Re: Cell Towers / Burning Skin

Date: Thursday, July 31, 2008, 7:03 AM

> This is nonsense, Mark. Everyone does not react in the same way.

> Saying that there must be some other physical cause is a waste of time.

Tell that to all the people who have cured themselves of their ES

by focusing on something else other than EMF...

Marc

[Guest guest]

Already cleaned up my house. The house is fine expect for the EMF. Loni

From: JBainSI@... <JBainSI@...>

Subject: Re: Cell Towers / Burning Skin

Date: Thursday, July 31, 2008, 8:32 AM

In a message dated 31/07/2008 15:04:06 GMT Daylight Time, marcufoseries (DOT) com

writes:

Tell that to all the people who have cured themselves of their ES

by focusing on something else other than EMF...

Do you mean 'pull yourself together, it's all in the mind'

Or did you mean clean up your environment first and lose all those harmful

shampoos, soaps, etc.

Best wishes

electrosensitivity. co.uk

[Guest guest]

The RF is 1000 times higher than a normal body can handle according to the

building biologist that tested my home. I have 5 cell anntennas that I can see

from my back window. It is frying my nerves. Loni

From: maureenan <maureen.norman@...>

Subject: Re: Cell Towers / Burning Skin

Date: Thursday, July 31, 2008, 9:41 AM

Mark, I really fail to see how you can cure yourself

of the cumulative effects of EMF, if the levels remain

extremely high in your home. It makes me ache at

times too.

Maureen

Re: Cell Towers / Burning Skin

Tell that to all the people who have cured themselves of their ES

by focusing on something else other than EMF...

Marc

[Guest guest]

My only hope is to relocate but doesn't seem possible. I am homeless & it is

scary.

Loni

From: Marc <marc@...>

Subject: Re: Cell Towers / Burning Skin

Date: Thursday, July 31, 2008, 10:03 AM

> Mark, I really fail to see how you can cure yourself

> of the cumulative effects of EMF, if the levels remain

> extremely high in your home. It makes me ache at

> times too.

Certainly eliminating excessive EMF exposure would be a

great thing to do when trying to get well. And I did

recommend moving to Loni when she first reported those

cellphone towers. But sometimes moving doesn't appear

to be an option, and in such cases you need to focus

on other methods.

Marc

[Guest guest]

I can't afford one of those. I became disabled in March. I have spent so much

money in the past on things & all I really need is a clean environment. Hard to

do nowadays. Loni

From: charles <charles@...>

Subject: Re: Cell Towers / Burning Skin

Date: Thursday, July 31, 2008, 10:06 AM

It is also a matter of improving the immune system.

Detox does not have to be expensive.

An ionizing footspa can do wonders within several weeks.

Do read the free downloadable book *Flow System Therapy* under Literature on

my website.

Greetings,

Claessens

member Verband Baubiologie

www.milieuziektes.nl

www.milieuziektes.be

www.hetbitje.nl

checked by Bitdefender

Re: Cell Towers / Burning Skin

>> Do you mean 'pull yourself together, it's all in the mind'

>> Or did you mean clean up your environment first and lose all those

>> harmful shampoos, soaps, etc.

>

> People who claim to have cured themselves of ES often do

> this by undergoing a heavy metal detox. This usually takes

> several years and costs several thousands of dollars. Of

> course, improving ones diet, taking appropriate supplements,

> eliminating exposure to toxic substances, and avoiding heavy

> EMF exposure can make one feel better in the meantime and

> speed up the process.

>

> But of course, that is what this discussion group is all

> about, as are websites such as this one:

>

> http://www.electrical-sensitivity.info/

>

> Marc

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>