Re: Re: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop - WiFi woes

[Guest guest]

Hi, Svetaswan,

 

I suspect that we with ES (and MCS, CFS, FMS....) all have these problems you

mention with normal people; you are not alone, Sveta.  (Hugs)  (Lol  I like to

call them the " Normals " .  It makes it sound so much more Orwellian.    )   But

I have been seeing a bit of a turn in the past year or two in some public

opinion. 

 

Also, you should try to see if you have bp/heart rate changes and use that if

you do for " proof " .  I have no idea how many of us have noticeable autonomic

nervous system changes, but almost all of our symptoms (as mentioned by others

here) can relate to the ANS.  It is so easy to monitor yourself to find out.  I

would not tell anyone what you are doing, tho, until you work it out.  They may

see it as proof you are imagining things if you cannot elicit meaningful

readings.

 

You just buy a good quality blood pressure/heart rate monitor.  Monitor yourself

when you feel your best, then when you feel " normal " for you, and then again

when you feel really stressed out by emfs.  My heart rate goes up with bad emfs,

and my bp tanks with bad emfs.  Most people will agree that you

can't psychologically control tanking bp--if it goes up, yes; that might be a

sign you are upset, etc....  The heart rate is the same--it means little to

people if that changes, usually.  But you might be able to find temperature

changes, blood sugar changes, respiration changes, etc, also that accompany bad

emf exposures.  (I also have temperature and blood sugar changes which show when

I check them, but the bp is the easiest and most reliable for me.)  If you

experience chills after emf exposure, it is likely you can elicit temperature

differences on a thermometer, but it will likely be a less profound finding than

tanking bp.  If you find

theae changes to be the case, however, you can also go to a doctor for ANS

disorder testing.  (But these docs do not yet recognise emfs from electrics and

cell towers as causal to this disorder.)

 

When I say my bp tanks, btw, I mean significantly.  My normal resting bp is

between 110 and 120/ 80 to 85.  When I feel ill from bad emfs, it can go down to

60/40 in 20 mins and I have had even lower than that with longer exposures. 

With experience, I have found that this bp tanking is what causes the exhaustion

which follows.  When I bring my bp back up (with supplements), the exhaustion

also clears up.  You will also see that your body tries to right itself,

bp-wise, and to some degree it can do this often.  So you will have to take

readings over a long period of time to understand how your body works.  I often

can get the lowest reading taking bp when I feel my worst, but if I wait even a

couple minutes, my body will try and succeed in bringing my bp back up.  This is

why long term exposures are more meaningful.  After a while, my body can no

longer deal with it and stresses out.

 

It is empowering when you have people who support you and it becomes an added

obstacle when you don't.  It is most helpful if you can get people to believe

you, if you can.  Give them as much computer info as you can too, Sveta--show

them the research and magazine articles.  Share with them the warning that

Sweden (?) gave its citizens regarding green (CFL) bulbs, etc.  We have had good

info here in the past year to share with others.  Don't give reams of info--just

one or 2 good articles at a time.

 

I wish you the best,

Diane

From: svetaswan <svetaswan@...>

Subject: Re: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop - WiFi woes

Date: Monday, May 10, 2010, 9:39 PM

 

Hi ,

Well, my parents' " normalcy " certainly isn't doing me any good. Sometimes

" normal " is overrated - a lot of harm is being done by these so-called " normal "

people sitting in board rooms making decisions about the technology that is

supposedly " safe " for everyone (but what they're actually concerned about is

what is more profitable to them). And there are other " normal " people in power

making some evil, selfish decisions that harm the masses.

I suppose I do have trouble verbalizing my symptoms in the most effective way -

the frustrating thing about it is that e.s. has contributed to this difficulty.

So e.s. itself makes it more difficult for some people to articulate their e.s..

It can be a real quagmire.

But just today, I did receive a bit of hope - from my conversation with my Dad,

he seems to be more open to the idea of getting rid of WiFi. He still seems to

think that it's " all in my head " - but I didn't receive the strong resistance to

the idea of dismantling WiFi that I did a couple of months ago. We'll see where

this goes - I hope it wasn't just idle talk. (If this ever gets done, it won't

be done right away - it will be at least June/July before it's done.)

So your parents have come around - I guess they now see that you were " ahead of

your time " . I guess it feels good to have the media finally validate what

you've been feeling and knowing for years. I think Europe may be ahead of the

U.S. when it comes to considering - and acting on - the dangers of this wireless

technology. Then again, Europe is more progressive than the U.S. when it comes

to many matters of public welfare (In Europe, " welfare " doesn't seem to be a bad

word like it is over here.). I'm afraid that America is just too full of

selfish, profit-mongering folks to fully investigate or admit to the harm that

all of this " technological progress " is doing.

As far as unplugging the WiFi at night - well, it's complicated. My sleep-wake

cycle is really messed up and irregular (I'm on disability so I don't

work)...often, I'm sleeping during the time when someone else in my household is

awake (and using the computer). When I have been able to turn off WiFi, though -

I've noticed a definite relief. Also, the company that provides our wireless

internet got the *bright idea* to hook up the phone lines to the same device

that sends out our wireless signal - so, powering off the WiFi router also means

turning off our phone lines. So, to get relief from WiFi - it means risking

someone not being able to reach us via phone in the case of an emergency. It's a

really messed-up situation.

As far as owning a DECT phone - well, I may be guilty as charged. Back in 2006,

I bought my parents a cordless phone (with a base station, which is in their

bedroom) for Christmas. I'm guessing that this phone uses DECT technology - it

works too well for it not to be " dangerous " , lol. But I've never noticed any

symptoms from the cordless phone - at least not before my computer-induced e.s.

got out of hand and I became more aware of the issue of emf. And when I asked my

mom a couple of months ago if she noticed any symptoms from the base station

being right beside her bed, she laughed and said " no " . No apparent sleep

difficulites. ..nothing. It still doesn't mean that we shouldn't get rid of it,

though!

[Guest guest]

Hi Diane,

I also have tanking blood pressure. What supplements do you take to get it to

rise?

Thanks,

Steve

> From: Evie <evie15422@...>

> Subject: Re: Re: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop - WiFi woes

>

> Date: Tuesday, May 11, 2010, 7:40 AM

> Hi, Svetaswan,

>  

> I suspect that we with ES (and MCS, CFS, FMS....) all have

> these problems you mention with normal people; you are not

> alone, Sveta.  (Hugs)  (Lol  I like to call them the

> " Normals " .  It makes it sound so much more Orwellian. 

>   )   But I have been seeing a bit of a turn in the

> past year or two in some public opinion. 

>  

> Also, you should try to see if you have bp/heart rate

> changes and use that if you do for " proof " .  I have no idea

> how many of us have noticeable autonomic nervous system

> changes, but almost all of our symptoms (as mentioned by

> others here) can relate to the ANS.  It is so easy to

> monitor yourself to find out.  I would not tell anyone what

> you are doing, tho, until you work it out.  They may see it

> as proof you are imagining things if you cannot elicit

> meaningful readings.

>  

> You just buy a good quality blood pressure/heart rate

> monitor.  Monitor yourself when you feel your best,

> then when you feel " normal " for you, and then again when

> you feel really stressed out by emfs.  My heart rate goes

> up with bad emfs, and my bp tanks with bad emfs.  Most

> people will agree that you can't psychologically control

> tanking bp--if it goes up, yes; that might be a sign you are

> upset, etc....  The heart rate is the same--it means little

> to people if that changes, usually.  But you might be able

> to find temperature changes, blood sugar changes,

> respiration changes, etc, also that accompany bad emf

> exposures.  (I also have temperature and blood sugar

> changes which show when I check them, but the bp is the

> easiest and most reliable for me.)  If you experience

> chills after emf exposure, it is likely you can elicit

> temperature differences on a thermometer, but it will likely

> be a less profound finding than tanking bp.  If you find

> theae changes to be the case, however, you can also go to

> a doctor for ANS disorder testing.  (But these docs do not

> yet recognise emfs from electrics and cell towers as causal

> to this disorder.)

>  

> When I say my bp tanks, btw, I mean significantly.  My

> normal resting bp is between 110 and 120/ 80 to 85.  When

> I feel ill from bad emfs, it can go down to 60/40 in 20

> mins and I have had even lower than that with longer

> exposures.  With experience, I have found that this bp

> tanking is what causes the exhaustion which follows.  When

> I bring my bp back up (with supplements), the exhaustion

> also clears up.  You will also see that your body tries to

> right itself, bp-wise, and to some degree it can do this

> often.  So you will have to take readings over a long

> period of time to understand how your body works.  I often

> can get the lowest reading taking bp when I feel my worst,

> but if I wait even a couple minutes, my body will try and

> succeed in bringing my bp back up.  This is why long term

> exposures are more meaningful.  After a while, my body can

> no longer deal with it and stresses out.

>  

> It is empowering when you have people who support you

> and it becomes an added obstacle when you don't.  It is

> most helpful if you can get people to believe you, if you

> can.  Give them as much computer info as you can too,

> Sveta--show them the research and magazine articles.  Share

> with them the warning that Sweden (?) gave its citizens

> regarding green (CFL) bulbs, etc.  We have had good info

> here in the past year to share with others.  Don't give

> reams of info--just one or 2 good articles at a time.

>  

> I wish you the best,

> Diane

>

[Guest guest]

I take Calcium AEP and pantethine.  I also take CoQ10 as a regular

supplement.  These 3 supps feed the lymphatics and adrenals.  Check the posts

from around 2 weeks ago, Steve, for more details;  I recently went into depth

on how to take, etc, etc,.... 

 

Diane

> From: Evie <evie15422 (DOT) com>

> Subject: Re: Re: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop - WiFi woes

> groups (DOT) com

> Date: Tuesday, May 11, 2010, 7:40 AM

> Hi, Svetaswan,

>  

> I suspect that we with ES (and MCS, CFS, FMS....) all have

> these problems you mention with normal people; you are not

> alone, Sveta.  (Hugs)  (Lol  I like to call them the

> " Normals " .  It makes it sound so much more Orwellian. 

>   )   But I have been seeing a bit of a turn in the

> past year or two in some public opinion. 

>  

> Also, you should try to see if you have bp/heart rate

> changes and use that if you do for " proof " .  I have no idea

> how many of us have noticeable autonomic nervous system

> changes, but almost all of our symptoms (as mentioned by

> others here) can relate to the ANS.  It is so easy to

> monitor yourself to find out.  I would not tell anyone what

> you are doing, tho, until you work it out.  They may see it

> as proof you are imagining things if you cannot elicit

> meaningful readings.

>  

> You just buy a good quality blood pressure/heart rate

> monitor.  Monitor yourself when you feel your best,

> then when you feel " normal " for you, and then again when

> you feel really stressed out by emfs.  My heart rate goes

> up with bad emfs, and my bp tanks with bad emfs.  Most

> people will agree that you can't psychologicall y control

> tanking bp--if it goes up, yes; that might be a sign you are

> upset, etc....  The heart rate is the same--it means little

> to people if that changes, usually.  But you might be able

> to find temperature changes, blood sugar changes,

> respiration changes, etc, also that accompany bad emf

> exposures.  (I also have temperature and blood sugar

> changes which show when I check them, but the bp is the

> easiest and most reliable for me.)  If you experience

> chills after emf exposure, it is likely you can elicit

> temperature differences on a thermometer, but it will likely

> be a less profound finding than tanking bp.  If you find

> theae changes to be the case, however, you can also go to

> a doctor for ANS disorder testing.  (But these docs do not

> yet recognise emfs from electrics and cell towers as causal

> to this disorder.)

>  

> When I say my bp tanks, btw, I mean significantly.  My

> normal resting bp is between 110 and 120/ 80 to 85.  When

> I feel ill from bad emfs, it can go down to 60/40 in 20

> mins and I have had even lower than that with longer

> exposures.  With experience, I have found that this bp

> tanking is what causes the exhaustion which follows.  When

> I bring my bp back up (with supplements) , the exhaustion

> also clears up.  You will also see that your body tries to

> right itself, bp-wise, and to some degree it can do this

> often.  So you will have to take readings over a long

> period of time to understand how your body works.  I often

> can get the lowest reading taking bp when I feel my worst,

> but if I wait even a couple minutes, my body will try and

> succeed in bringing my bp back up.  This is why long term

> exposures are more meaningful.  After a while, my body can

> no longer deal with it and stresses out.

>  

> It is empowering when you have people who support you

> and it becomes an added obstacle when you don't.  It is

> most helpful if you can get people to believe you, if you

> can.  Give them as much computer info as you can too,

> Sveta--show them the research and magazine articles.  Share

> with them the warning that Sweden (?) gave its citizens

> regarding green (CFL) bulbs, etc.  We have had good info

> here in the past year to share with others.  Don't give

> reams of info--just one or 2 good articles at a time.

>  

> I wish you the best,

> Diane

>

[Guest guest]

I actually bought the pantethine and cal orotate. I thought I got a weird

reaction to it but then again I have been feeling odd for a few weeks now with

them or without them. I already take CoQ10, 100Mg. No energy but its supposed to

be good for the gums.

>

> > From: Evie <evie15422 (DOT) com>

> > Subject: Re: Re: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop -

> WiFi woes

> > groups (DOT) com

> > Date: Tuesday, May 11, 2010, 7:40 AM

> > Hi, Svetaswan,

> >  

> > I suspect that we with ES (and MCS, CFS, FMS....) all

> have

> > these problems you mention with normal people; you are

> not

> > alone, Sveta.  (Hugs)  (Lol  I like to call them

> the

> > " Normals " .  It makes it sound so much more

> Orwellian. 

> >   )   But I have been seeing a bit of a turn in

> the

> > past year or two in some public opinion. 

> >  

> > Also, you should try to see if you have bp/heart rate

> > changes and use that if you do for " proof " .  I have

> no idea

> > how many of us have noticeable autonomic nervous

> system

> > changes, but almost all of our symptoms (as mentioned

> by

> > others here) can relate to the ANS.  It is so easy

> to

> > monitor yourself to find out.  I would not tell

> anyone what

> > you are doing, tho, until you work it out.  They may

> see it

> > as proof you are imagining things if you cannot

> elicit

> > meaningful readings.

> >  

> > You just buy a good quality blood pressure/heart rate

> > monitor.  Monitor yourself when you feel your best,

> > then when you feel " normal " for you, and then again

> when

> > you feel really stressed out by emfs.  My heart rate

> goes

> > up with bad emfs, and my bp tanks with bad emfs. 

> Most

> > people will agree that you can't psychologicall

> y control

> > tanking bp--if it goes up, yes; that might be a sign

> you are

> > upset, etc....  The heart rate is the same--it means

> little

> > to people if that changes, usually.  But you might be

> able

> > to find temperature changes, blood sugar changes,

> > respiration changes, etc, also that accompany bad emf

> > exposures.  (I also have temperature and blood sugar

> > changes which show when I check them, but the bp is

> the

> > easiest and most reliable for me.)  If you

> experience

> > chills after emf exposure, it is likely you can

> elicit

> > temperature differences on a thermometer, but it will

> likely

> > be a less profound finding than tanking bp.  If you

> find

> > theae changes to be the case, however, you can also go

> to

> > a doctor for ANS disorder testing.  (But these docs

> do not

> > yet recognise emfs from electrics and cell towers as

> causal

> > to this disorder.)

> >  

> > When I say my bp tanks, btw, I mean significantly. 

> My

> > normal resting bp is between 110 and 120/ 80 to 85. 

> When

> > I feel ill from bad emfs, it can go down to 60/40

> in 20

> > mins and I have had even lower than that with longer

> > exposures.  With experience, I have found that this

> bp

> > tanking is what causes the exhaustion which follows. 

> When

> > I bring my bp back up (with supplements) , the

> exhaustion

> > also clears up.  You will also see that your body

> tries to

> > right itself, bp-wise, and to some degree it can do

> this

> > often.  So you will have to take readings over a

> long

> > period of time to understand how your body works.  I

> often

> > can get the lowest reading taking bp when I feel my

> worst,

> > but if I wait even a couple minutes, my body will try

> and

> > succeed in bringing my bp back up.  This is why long

> term

> > exposures are more meaningful.  After a while, my

> body can

> > no longer deal with it and stresses out.

> >  

> > It is empowering when you have people who support you

> > and it becomes an added obstacle when you don't. 

> It is

> > most helpful if you can get people to believe you, if

> you

> > can.  Give them as much computer info as you can

> too,

> > Sveta--show them the research and magazine articles. 

> Share

> > with them the warning that Sweden (?) gave its

> citizens

> > regarding green (CFL) bulbs, etc.  We have had good

> info

> > here in the past year to share with others.  Don't

> give

> > reams of info--just one or 2 good articles at a time.

> >  

> > I wish you the best,

> > Diane

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>      

>

>

[Guest guest]

You will have to take more like 300 mg CoQ10 sublingually (to by-pass the gut)

for a month to 6 months before you will likely see a difference, Steve.  But I

saw a bigger difference with Cal AEP and pantethine than CoQ10.  I still use

it tho. 

 

Diane

>

> > From: Evie <evie15422 (DOT) com>

> > Subject: Re: Re: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop -

> WiFi woes

> > groups (DOT) com

> > Date: Tuesday, May 11, 2010, 7:40 AM

> > Hi, Svetaswan,

> >  

> > I suspect that we with ES (and MCS, CFS, FMS....) all

> have

> > these problems you mention with normal people; you are

> not

> > alone, Sveta.  (Hugs)  (Lol  I like to call them

> the

> > " Normals " .  It makes it sound so much more

> Orwellian. 

> >   )   But I have been seeing a bit of a turn in

> the

> > past year or two in some public opinion. 

> >  

> > Also, you should try to see if you have bp/heart rate

> > changes and use that if you do for " proof " .  I have

> no idea

> > how many of us have noticeable autonomic nervous

> system

> > changes, but almost all of our symptoms (as mentioned

> by

> > others here) can relate to the ANS.  It is so easy

> to

> > monitor yourself to find out.  I would not tell

> anyone what

> > you are doing, tho, until you work it out.  They may

> see it

> > as proof you are imagining things if you cannot

> elicit

> > meaningful readings.

> >  

> > You just buy a good quality blood pressure/heart rate

> > monitor.  Monitor yourself when you feel your best,

> > then when you feel " normal " for you, and then again

> when

> > you feel really stressed out by emfs.  My heart rate

> goes

> > up with bad emfs, and my bp tanks with bad emfs. 

> Most

> > people will agree that you can't psychologicall

> y control

> > tanking bp--if it goes up, yes; that might be a sign

> you are

> > upset, etc....  The heart rate is the same--it means

> little

> > to people if that changes, usually.  But you might be

> able

> > to find temperature changes, blood sugar changes,

> > respiration changes, etc, also that accompany bad emf

> > exposures.  (I also have temperature and blood sugar

> > changes which show when I check them, but the bp is

> the

> > easiest and most reliable for me.)  If you

> experience

> > chills after emf exposure, it is likely you can

> elicit

> > temperature differences on a thermometer, but it will

> likely

> > be a less profound finding than tanking bp.  If you

> find

> > theae changes to be the case, however, you can also go

> to

> > a doctor for ANS disorder testing.  (But these docs

> do not

> > yet recognise emfs from electrics and cell towers as

> causal

> > to this disorder.)

> >  

> > When I say my bp tanks, btw, I mean significantly. 

> My

> > normal resting bp is between 110 and 120/ 80 to 85. 

> When

> > I feel ill from bad emfs, it can go down to 60/40

> in 20

> > mins and I have had even lower than that with longer

> > exposures.  With experience, I have found that this

> bp

> > tanking is what causes the exhaustion which follows. 

> When

> > I bring my bp back up (with supplements) , the

> exhaustion

> > also clears up.  You will also see that your body

> tries to

> > right itself, bp-wise, and to some degree it can do

> this

> > often.  So you will have to take readings over a

> long

> > period of time to understand how your body works.  I

> often

> > can get the lowest reading taking bp when I feel my

> worst,

> > but if I wait even a couple minutes, my body will try

> and

> > succeed in bringing my bp back up.  This is why long

> term

> > exposures are more meaningful.  After a while, my

> body can

> > no longer deal with it and stresses out.

> >  

> > It is empowering when you have people who support you

> > and it becomes an added obstacle when you don't. 

> It is

> > most helpful if you can get people to believe you, if

> you

> > can.  Give them as much computer info as you can

> too,

> > Sveta--show them the research and magazine articles. 

> Share

> > with them the warning that Sweden (?) gave its

> citizens

> > regarding green (CFL) bulbs, etc.  We have had good

> info

> > here in the past year to share with others.  Don't

> give

> > reams of info--just one or 2 good articles at a time.

> >  

> > I wish you the best,

> > Diane

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>      

>

>

[Guest guest]

I know they have chewables but I haven't seen sublinguals.

Steve

> >

> > > From: Evie <evie15422 (DOT) com>

> > > Subject: Re: Re: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop

> -

> > WiFi woes

> > > groups (DOT) com

> > > Date: Tuesday, May 11, 2010, 7:40 AM

> > > Hi, Svetaswan,

> > >  

> > > I suspect that we with ES (and MCS, CFS, FMS....)

> all

> > have

> > > these problems you mention with normal people;

> you are

> > not

> > > alone, Sveta.  (Hugs)  (Lol  I like to call

> them

> > the

> > > " Normals " .  It makes it sound so much more

> > Orwellian. 

> > >   )   But I have been seeing a bit of a turn

> in

> > the

> > > past year or two in some public opinion. 

> > >  

> > > Also, you should try to see if you have bp/heart

> rate

> > > changes and use that if you do for " proof " .  I

> have

> > no idea

> > > how many of us have noticeable autonomic

> nervous

> > system

> > > changes, but almost all of our symptoms (as

> mentioned

> > by

> > > others here) can relate to the ANS.  It is so

> easy

> > to

> > > monitor yourself to find out.  I would not tell

> > anyone what

> > > you are doing, tho, until you work it out.  They

> may

> > see it

> > > as proof you are imagining things if you cannot

> > elicit

> > > meaningful readings.

> > >  

> > > You just buy a good quality blood pressure/heart

> rate

> > > monitor.  Monitor yourself when you feel your

> best,

> > > then when you feel " normal " for you, and then

> again

> > when

> > > you feel really stressed out by emfs.  My heart

> rate

> > goes

> > > up with bad emfs, and my bp tanks with bad

> emfs. 

> > Most

> > > people will agree that you can't psychologicall

> > y control

> > > tanking bp--if it goes up, yes; that might be a

> sign

> > you are

> > > upset, etc....  The heart rate is the same--it

> means

> > little

> > > to people if that changes, usually.  But you

> might be

> > able

> > > to find temperature changes, blood sugar

> changes,

> > > respiration changes, etc, also that accompany bad

> emf

> > > exposures.  (I also have temperature and blood

> sugar

> > > changes which show when I check them, but the bp

> is

> > the

> > > easiest and most reliable for me.)  If you

> > experience

> > > chills after emf exposure, it is likely you can

> > elicit

> > > temperature differences on a thermometer, but it

> will

> > likely

> > > be a less profound finding than tanking bp.  If

> you

> > find

> > > theae changes to be the case, however, you can

> also go

> > to

> > > a doctor for ANS disorder testing.  (But these

> docs

> > do not

> > > yet recognise emfs from electrics and cell towers

> as

> > causal

> > > to this disorder.)

> > >  

> > > When I say my bp tanks, btw, I mean

> significantly. 

> > My

> > > normal resting bp is between 110 and 120/ 80 to

> 85. 

> > When

> > > I feel ill from bad emfs, it can go down to

> 60/40

> > in 20

> > > mins and I have had even lower than that with

> longer

> > > exposures.  With experience, I have found that

> this

> > bp

> > > tanking is what causes the exhaustion which

> follows. 

> > When

> > > I bring my bp back up (with supplements) , the

> > exhaustion

> > > also clears up.  You will also see that your

> body

> > tries to

> > > right itself, bp-wise, and to some degree it can

> do

> > this

> > > often.  So you will have to take readings over

> a

> > long

> > > period of time to understand how your body

> works.  I

> > often

> > > can get the lowest reading taking bp when I feel

> my

> > worst,

> > > but if I wait even a couple minutes, my body will

> try

> > and

> > > succeed in bringing my bp back up.  This is why

> long

> > term

> > > exposures are more meaningful.  After a while,

> my

> > body can

> > > no longer deal with it and stresses out.

> > >  

> > > It is empowering when you have people who support

> you

> > > and it becomes an added obstacle when you

> don't. 

> > It is

> > > most helpful if you can get people to believe

> you, if

> > you

> > > can.  Give them as much computer info as you

> can

> > too,

> > > Sveta--show them the research and magazine

> articles. 

> > Share

> > > with them the warning that Sweden (?) gave its

> > citizens

> > > regarding green (CFL) bulbs, etc.  We have had

> good

> > info

> > > here in the past year to share with others. 

> Don't

> > give

> > > reams of info--just one or 2 good articles at a

> time.

> > >  

> > > I wish you the best,

> > > Diane

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >      

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi Svetaswan,

Sounds like you may have adrenal issues. If you have these you will

encounter low blood pressure issues, and experience dizziness, and get

light-heads. I had this problem last year, which is why I became

electrosensitive. Now my adrenals are gradually improving strength, I'm

virtually free of issues around EMF.

May I recommend the following products and ideas:

Deer Antler from Surthrival

Colostrum from Suthrival

http://www. <http://www.surthrival.com> surthrival.com

The deer antler will also help significantly in your anemia problem.

Anemia is not solely about iron deficiency. It can also be about shortage

of thinks such as manganese which helps your body produce iron or metabolise

iron supplements that you take.

Kidney and Adrenal Builder from Vitality Herbs and Clay.com

http://www.vitalityherbsandclay.com/herbs-and-herbal-formulas/view-all-produ

cts.html

I'd also suggest their Friendly Flora too. This helps provide good bacteria

in your body. It's possible that you may have viruses/bacteria in your

kidneys/adrenals that are undermining you. If you have any heavy metal

issues in your body, their clay products are ideal for dealing with these.

Both websites have great audios online, which will help you understand why

the products are good for you. I've had personal experience of using all

of them, so I can say they do definitely work/

It's also crucial to get a better quality of sleep so to re-charge yourself.

I can provide some more ideas if this helps

Regards

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of

svetaswan

Sent: 18 May 2010 05:27

Subject: Re: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop - WiFi woes

Thanks for the response and for the great suggestions Diane - I'll take all

of this into consideration. Unfortunately I cannot answer your posts as

thoroughly/completely as I'd like to - because I continue to have

debilitatingly low mental energy.

You seem to know a lot about human biology and the effects of emfs upon that

biology, etc.. Do you happen to know of any link between emfs and anemia?

I've noticed that my anemia has worsened at a seemingly-accelerated rate

over the past year or two - and I wonder if my body's increased reaction to

certain emfs has contributed to this. A couple of years ago - I wasn't

" officially " anemic - my hemoglobin, hematocrit, etc. - were technically in

the " normal " range. I was however " warned " by those who go by the

" alternative health " credo that I was in the " pre-anemia " stage or that I

may be functionally anemic, anyway - because my ferritin was pretty low (it

was 12 or 13 ng/mL at the time - the typical range is something like 10 -

291 ng/mL. It is recommended by some that your ferritin be at least 40.).

Well, when I had bloodwork about a year ago - my red blood cell count,

hemoglobin, hematocrit levels were below normal, and my ferritin had

" plummeted " to about 6. (It seems that in 2006, 2007, and 2008 - the levels

of these values held relatively steady.) I haven't had any recent (2010)

bloodwork - but going by my symptoms, I suspect my anemia has gotten worse -

or at least hasn't improved.

My anemia could have a straightfoward explanation - I've been dealing with a

problem that could definitely cause/contribute to anemia in an obvious way.

Then again, I was dealing with this same problem in 2007 and 2008 - and my

bloodwork stayed pretty consistent during those years. So this has really

made me wonder if something else may be contributing to my anemia.

Cutler claims that, when someone is mercury toxic - ferritin/iron levels can

plummet because it's the body's way of reducing oxidative stress (excess

iron can cause oxidative stress - and when the body is mercury toxic, even

" normal " levels of iron can act as a " synergistic toxin " with mercury. So

the body loses what it can - the iron.). So I'm wondering if electromagnetic

radiation could also cause the body to " dump " iron - for similar reasons

(free radicals, oxidative stress, etc.).

During two different visits to the Apple Store, I noticed something

" interesting " . At a certain point - I developed a sudden case of extreme

fatigue. It's hard to describe the feeling...my lower body became

cramped/weak, I felt sort-of " dizzy " and/or " lightheaded " ....it was so bad

that I felt the need to leave the store and take a rest on a nearby bench in

the mall. During the second episode, I had a *really* hard time making it to

the bench - which was only about 15 or 20 feet from the store entrance. I

had to stop and grip a rail to rest/steady myself, which made me afraid that

I was going to faint or collapse from the fatigue. My legs felt " gone " . I

thought it was my anemia - and I wondered why it decided to " act up " right

when I was standing in front of the Macbooks and Macbook Pros. Both times,

it happened when I was in front of a Macbook or a Macbook Pro. It *could*

have happened while I was standing in front of, say, the Mac Mini, but it

didn't. I wondered if it was something about the laptops that caused this

reaction.

But you mention the blood-pressure reaction...my reaction in front of the

laptops seems like it could have been the sudden drop of blood pressure that

you describe?

Btw, I remember emailing someone on while I was in the middle (or at

the end) of one of my " spells " inside the Apple Store - I believe it was

!

~Svetaswan

P.S. - in 2009, on the same bloodwork that revealed my anemia - I also

noticed that my fasting glucose level was on the high side....higher than I

thought it should be. It made me worry that I was on my way to developing

diabetes. I've since found out (reinforced by your message) about how bad

emfs, or " dirty electricity " , could raise blood sugar levels.

>

>

> From: svetaswan <svetaswan@...>

> Subject: Re: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop - WiFi woes

> <mailto:%40>

> Date: Monday, May 10, 2010, 9:39 PM

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Hi ,

>

> Well, my parents' " normalcy " certainly isn't doing me any good.

Sometimes " normal " is overrated - a lot of harm is being done by these

so-called " normal " people sitting in board rooms making decisions about the

technology that is supposedly " safe " for everyone (but what they're actually

concerned about is what is more profitable to them). And there are other

" normal " people in power making some evil, selfish decisions that harm the

masses.

>

> I suppose I do have trouble verbalizing my symptoms in the most effective

way - the frustrating thing about it is that e.s. has contributed to this

difficulty. So e.s. itself makes it more difficult for some people to

articulate their e.s.. It can be a real quagmire.

>

> But just today, I did receive a bit of hope - from my conversation with my

Dad, he seems to be more open to the idea of getting rid of WiFi. He still

seems to think that it's " all in my head " - but I didn't receive the strong

resistance to the idea of dismantling WiFi that I did a couple of months

ago. We'll see where this goes - I hope it wasn't just idle talk. (If this

ever gets done, it won't be done right away - it will be at least June/July

before it's done.)

>

> So your parents have come around - I guess they now see that you were

" ahead of your time " . I guess it feels good to have the media finally

validate what you've been feeling and knowing for years. I think Europe may

be ahead of the U.S. when it comes to considering - and acting on - the

dangers of this wireless technology. Then again, Europe is more progressive

than the U.S. when it comes to many matters of public welfare (In Europe,

" welfare " doesn't seem to be a bad word like it is over here.). I'm afraid

that America is just too full of selfish, profit-mongering folks to fully

investigate or admit to the harm that all of this " technological progress "

is doing.

>

> As far as unplugging the WiFi at night - well, it's complicated. My

sleep-wake cycle is really messed up and irregular (I'm on disability so I

don't work)...often, I'm sleeping during the time when someone else in my

household is awake (and using the computer). When I have been able to turn

off WiFi, though - I've noticed a definite relief. Also, the company that

provides our wireless internet got the *bright idea* to hook up the phone

lines to the same device that sends out our wireless signal - so, powering

off the WiFi router also means turning off our phone lines. So, to get

relief from WiFi - it means risking someone not being able to reach us via

phone in the case of an emergency. It's a really messed-up situation.

>

> As far as owning a DECT phone - well, I may be guilty as charged. Back in

2006, I bought my parents a cordless phone (with a base station, which is in

their bedroom) for Christmas. I'm guessing that this phone uses DECT

technology - it works too well for it not to be " dangerous " , lol. But I've

never noticed any symptoms from the cordless phone - at least not before my

computer-induced e.s. got out of hand and I became more aware of the issue

of emf. And when I asked my mom a couple of months ago if she noticed any

symptoms from the base station being right beside her bed, she laughed and

said " no " . No apparent sleep difficulites. ..nothing. It still doesn't mean

that we shouldn't get rid of it, though!

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi, Svetaswan,

 

Sorry I am so far behind in my email.  Just getting to this post you addressed

to me 10 days ago!  (Sorry this is long, but I am relating various problems

we here mention often in one email.)

 

As to your question on whether I know a direct relationship between anemia and

ES....

Well, I know a very good indirect relationship--celiac disease/gluten

intolerance.  Also, later in this email I will try to explain a relationship

which may relate to iron—namely tight junction channelopathy which goes along

with your Andy Cutler theory. 

 

With CD/GI, the gut/gut tjs (tight junctions) are often damaged at the

very place iron is carried across into your blood (this is also true of B12,

and various other nutrients.  This thwarts proper uptake of the iron and B12,

etc, into the cells and so iron, etc, often ends up getting dumped un-usably

into the blood stream.  This is due to the nutrients lacking the proper carrier

proteins to get them into the cells.  (For me, this constant iron dumping into

the blood stream also led to too much iron in the liver and liver cirrhosis.) 

 

CD is a genetic disease which causes the protein, zonulin, to be released in

abnormally high amounts when a person with the necessary genes consumes more

than 50 parts/million of a gluten-containing food (I suspect the 50ppm is not

exactly correct, but this is a long and controverial subject.  I find it is

just best to avoid ALL GLUTEN  and  gluten contaminations). 

 

ANYWAY....  when zonulin is released in the abnormally high amounts, it causes

the tjs (tight junctions) of the gut to open.  Once the zonulin and glutens

enter the blood stream, they become " ZOT " -- " zonulin occult

toxin " .  The ZOT then attacks the tjs of particular organs and the

blood-brain barrier.  How does this play into ES, you ask?  Research has been

done which suggests that EMFS also do the same thing--they open the tjs of

the bbb (and possibly other organs.  I am not sure whether anyone knows this

at this time, whether other organs' tjs are affected or just the BBB).  But

that is not the ONLY connection with ES.  (Read on.) 

 

TJs are not supposed to open.  And in CD/some GIs (gluten intolerances), the

tjs can eventually get damaged to the extent that they no longer close.  This

is called " ion channelopathy " disease.  I mean, opening tjs and tjs which no

longer close are a type of ion channelopathy disease.  There are at least 100

currently known channelopathy diseases.  Many of those relate specifically to

in-operational tjs.  I have long noticed a relationship between people who get

ES and a tendency toward gluten intolerance here at this forum.  I am *not*

saying that everyone here has celiac disease or gluten-intolerance.  I am

saying that everyone here has similarities in tight junction dysfunction and

POSSIBLY some here have also celiac disease or gluten intolerance.  There are,

however, also various bacteria and cigularia (a fish toxin) which cause ZOT and

tj damage.  

 

I would give you, Sveta, a higher than average probability of CD/GI or one of

these other zot issues, due to your also having the serious problems

with anemia that you have mentioned.  It is worth a test to see, Sveta, if you

haven't yet gone there, but you cannot have accurate blood tests or biopsy once

you go gf.  (Actually I do remember reading that you are going gf, the question

tho is whether you are TOTALLY gf.  For those with extensive tj bbb damage, it

is likely they would need to even go gf with toiletries/etc and eat only foods

made in a dedicated facility to avoid glutens, but unfortunately, the tests

might still not be accurate.)  If you ever have problems sticking to the gf

diet, Sveta, just remember that CD and GIs are notorious for causing various

organ diseases, and in particular, auto-immune diseases.  CD led to my

pancreas, liver, and lung problems before I was dxed.  I nearly died from liver

failure and anaphylaxis multiple

times.  I also had osteoporosis and multiple auto-immune and other nutritional

diseases.  [Of course, this is only true if you are so unlucky as to possess

the genes!  But needless to say, I have plenty of impetus to keep me on the

straight and narrow.  ]

 

Following the tj channelopathy idea a bit further down the road.... CFS/ME is

thought to be channelopathy related.  It looks like CFS/ME is sometimes (for at

least a subset of people) a result of ANS disorder (autonomic nervous system

disorder) or adrenal dysfunction.  ANS disorder, for me, is caused directly by

emfs and it worsens, as well, with gluten consumption.  Your fatigue could be

ANS disorder related (especially if you later can prove a connection with

falling blood pressure).  The blood sugar is also related to this, as is

chills, sweats, heart palps, temp changes, etc....  There is also an

adrenal/ hormonal connection…. 

 

As I understand it, the adrenals send serotonin signals out to communicate

between the hypothalamus and autonomic nervous system, but serotonin is being

“dumpedâ€, metabolically in some people with CFS/ME.  That is to say, high

serotonin metabolites are being found in the urine of some people with CFS/ME. 

(I am one of those people.)  The ANS/sympathetic ns do not then work correctly

for these people.  It is not understood whether this is caused by excess stress

or faulty communication in the body or…  The adrenals and lymphatics also use

all the same nutrients, so if one system is over worked, the other will also

suffer.  I see fibromyalgia as a problem directly connected with a

dysfunctional lymphatic system.  So you see, it all goes round and round.  All

is connected. 

 

In searching channelopathy and tj research, one can see multiple ways our

various health problems interconnect.  Metals are not utilized and do not store

correctly in people with tj channelopathy often, either.   If memory serves,

this takes place due to a deficiency in metalothionienes which causes

mercury/some other metal hoarding and odd other metal storage issues.  Often

tj proteins are also faulty—especially the claudens proteins.  Faulty

claudens proteins have their own dysfunctionality associated with them; for one

thing, the polarity of cells become reversed.  It is complicated, but all is

intertwined, like a massive health labyrinth.

 

Sorry to hear about your anemia woes, Sveta!  I can relate, having nearly died

several times, from age 18 to 49, from anemias (pernicious and

iron-deficiency).  My ferritin level was sometimes as low as 2 on the same

ferritin test you mention.  Btw, I don't know if this will relate to you or

not, but the hematologist found that my hemoglobin count was an inaccurate test

for iron, for me.  Apparently, from years of anemia, my body found a new way to

utilize iron--sort of like " automatic direct with-drawal " from a savings

account in a bank.  When I got seriously low in ferritin iron, my hemoglobin

was still often quite high, as a result.  I mention this because many docs

these days use ONLY the hemoglobin count as a reliable measure.  If hemoglobin

is high in relation to the actual ferritin stores, you could find yourself near

death before a doctor would notice it.  [The importance of this was brought

home to me last year when I accidently

severed an artery and my ER docs couldn't figure out why my hemoglobin count

was not tanking after 4 hours of unsuccessfully trying to stop my bleeding! 

(Obviously I was not gushing for 4 hours, but they could not totally

stop bleeding for 4 hours/most of that time I was tourniqueted.)]

 

You ask specifically if your reaction at the Apple Store sounded like

blood-pressure plummeting.  Well, no, if you have anemia, it is likely

anemia--but they feel alot alike.  If you have a feeling of internal bodily

" pressure " which accompanies these other feelings you describe, then it could

be blood pressure related.  The " pressure " comes from your body trying to raise

your bp back up, often not adequately or even totally failing to do so.

 

I have also read of the connection you mention re Andy Cutler's theory.  I have

no concrete info on that to send right now other than what I have just shared,

but if I stumble back upon it I will try to remember to send it to you.  It

makes sense and fits right into the tj profile of metal hoarding and then having

storage issues with other metals, which is already known to exist.  I have

asked many times in the past if others wanted me to share my specific tj

research findings (as I find it; after I find it and move on, all I have is a

file of honking long research studies!)  Until recently, nobody seemed

interested in any of this research so I never sent specifics.  If I know people

actually will read it, I will share excerpts and sites as I find them.

 

Sorry, speaking of honking long!  Lololol…..

 

Best wishes,

Diane

From: svetaswan <svetaswan@...>

Subject: Re: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop - WiFi woes

Date: Tuesday, May 18, 2010, 12:27 AM

 

Thanks for the response and for the great suggestions Diane - I'll take all of

this into consideration. Unfortunately I cannot answer your posts as

thoroughly/completely as I'd like to - because I continue to have debilitatingly

low mental energy.

You seem to know a lot about human biology and the effects of emfs upon that

biology, etc.. Do you happen to know of any link between emfs and anemia? I've

noticed that my anemia has worsened at a seemingly-accelerated rate over the

past year or two - and I wonder if my body's increased reaction to certain emfs

has contributed to this. A couple of years ago - I wasn't " officially " anemic -

my hemoglobin, hematocrit, etc. - were technically in the " normal " range. I was

however " warned " by those who go by the " alternative health " credo that I was in

the " pre-anemia " stage or that I may be functionally anemic, anyway - because my

ferritin was pretty low (it was 12 or 13 ng/mL at the time - the typical range

is something like 10 - 291 ng/mL. It is recommended by some that your ferritin

be at least 40.). Well, when I had bloodwork about a year ago - my red blood

cell count, hemoglobin, hematocrit levels were below normal, and my ferritin had

" plummeted " to

about 6. (It seems that in 2006, 2007, and 2008 - the levels of these values

held relatively steady.) I haven't had any recent (2010) bloodwork - but going

by my symptoms, I suspect my anemia has gotten worse - or at least hasn't

improved.

My anemia could have a straightfoward explanation - I've been dealing with a

problem that could definitely cause/contribute to anemia in an obvious way. Then

again, I was dealing with this same problem in 2007 and 2008 - and my bloodwork

stayed pretty consistent during those years. So this has really made me wonder

if something else may be contributing to my anemia. Cutler claims that,

when someone is mercury toxic - ferritin/iron levels can plummet because it's

the body's way of reducing oxidative stress (excess iron can cause oxidative

stress - and when the body is mercury toxic, even " normal " levels of iron can

act as a " synergistic toxin " with mercury. So the body loses what it can - the

iron.). So I'm wondering if electromagnetic radiation could also cause the body

to " dump " iron - for similar reasons (free radicals, oxidative stress, etc.).

During two different visits to the Apple Store, I noticed something

" interesting " . At a certain point - I developed a sudden case of extreme

fatigue. It's hard to describe the feeling...my lower body became cramped/weak,

I felt sort-of " dizzy " and/or " lightheaded " ....it was so bad that I felt the

need to leave the store and take a rest on a nearby bench in the mall. During

the second episode, I had a *really* hard time making it to the bench - which

was only about 15 or 20 feet from the store entrance. I had to stop and grip a

rail to rest/steady myself, which made me afraid that I was going to faint or

collapse from the fatigue. My legs felt " gone " . I thought it was my anemia - and

I wondered why it decided to " act up " right when I was standing in front of the

Macbooks and Macbook Pros. Both times, it happened when I was in front of a

Macbook or a Macbook Pro. It *could* have happened while I was standing in front

of, say, the Mac Mini, but it didn't. I

wondered if it was something about the laptops that caused this reaction.

But you mention the blood-pressure reaction...my reaction in front of the

laptops seems like it could have been the sudden drop of blood pressure that you

describe?

Btw, I remember emailing someone on while I was in the middle (or at the

end) of one of my " spells " inside the Apple Store - I believe it was !

~Svetaswan

P.S. - in 2009, on the same bloodwork that revealed my anemia - I also noticed

that my fasting glucose level was on the high side....higher than I thought it

should be. It made me worry that I was on my way to developing diabetes. I've

since found out (reinforced by your message) about how bad emfs, or " dirty

electricity " , could raise blood sugar levels.

>

>

> From: svetaswan <svetaswan@...>

> Subject: Re: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop - WiFi woes

>

> Date: Monday, May 10, 2010, 9:39 PM

>

>

>  

>

>

>

>

>

> Hi ,

>

> Well, my parents' " normalcy " certainly isn't doing me any good. Sometimes

" normal " is overrated - a lot of harm is being done by these so-called " normal "

people sitting in board rooms making decisions about the technology that is

supposedly " safe " for everyone (but what they're actually concerned about is

what is more profitable to them). And there are other " normal " people in power

making some evil, selfish decisions that harm the masses.

>

> I suppose I do have trouble verbalizing my symptoms in the most effective way

- the frustrating thing about it is that e.s. has contributed to this

difficulty. So e.s. itself makes it more difficult for some people to articulate

their e.s.. It can be a real quagmire.

>

> But just today, I did receive a bit of hope - from my conversation with my

Dad, he seems to be more open to the idea of getting rid of WiFi. He still seems

to think that it's " all in my head " - but I didn't receive the strong resistance

to the idea of dismantling WiFi that I did a couple of months ago. We'll see

where this goes - I hope it wasn't just idle talk. (If this ever gets done, it

won't be done right away - it will be at least June/July before it's done.)

>

> So your parents have come around - I guess they now see that you were " ahead

of your time " . I guess it feels good to have the media finally validate what

you've been feeling and knowing for years. I think Europe may be ahead of the

U.S. when it comes to considering - and acting on - the dangers of this wireless

technology. Then again, Europe is more progressive than the U.S. when it comes

to many matters of public welfare (In Europe, " welfare " doesn't seem to be a bad

word like it is over here.). I'm afraid that America is just too full of

selfish, profit-mongering folks to fully investigate or admit to the harm that

all of this " technological progress " is doing.

>

> As far as unplugging the WiFi at night - well, it's complicated. My sleep-wake

cycle is really messed up and irregular (I'm on disability so I don't

work)...often, I'm sleeping during the time when someone else in my household is

awake (and using the computer). When I have been able to turn off WiFi, though -

I've noticed a definite relief. Also, the company that provides our wireless

internet got the *bright idea* to hook up the phone lines to the same device

that sends out our wireless signal - so, powering off the WiFi router also means

turning off our phone lines. So, to get relief from WiFi - it means risking

someone not being able to reach us via phone in the case of an emergency. It's a

really messed-up situation.

>

> As far as owning a DECT phone - well, I may be guilty as charged. Back in

2006, I bought my parents a cordless phone (with a base station, which is in

their bedroom) for Christmas. I'm guessing that this phone uses DECT technology

- it works too well for it not to be " dangerous " , lol. But I've never noticed

any symptoms from the cordless phone - at least not before my computer-induced

e.s. got out of hand and I became more aware of the issue of emf. And when I

asked my mom a couple of months ago if she noticed any symptoms from the base

station being right beside her bed, she laughed and said " no " . No apparent sleep

difficulites. ..nothing. It still doesn't mean that we shouldn't get rid of it,

though!

>

>

>

>

>

>