Guest guest Posted March 30, 2007 Report Share Posted March 30, 2007 > By stabilizing lipid status with intravenous Phospholipid exchange and > oral EFA supplementation we have remarkable tools to unload the body > burden of neurotoxins So what exactly are they recommending that one take for EFA supplementation? I've tried almost every EFA supplement on the planet :-), and my reaction to them vary all over the map... some appear to do nothing, some appear to have minor benefit, and some cause nasty adverse reactions (oxygen starvation, chest pains, panic attacks, etc). I can't say that any of them have produced spectacular results.... Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2007 Report Share Posted March 30, 2007 That is a great question. I have overheard them talk about supplementing with the usual ones in their office. I think you probably know as much as the nurses so. Dr. Mercola says Krill Oil is the best if one needs Omega 3 and Cannabis Sativa seems to have a great ratio. I am not sure how coconut oil fits into the picture but I know it is an important good fat. My understanding is that there is an exchange between good fats and bad fats and a release of toxins and chemicals in the process. The toxins unbury themselves from the fat, nerves, cholesterol, etc. as we replace them with good fat so that might be the reason for the adverse reactions. My understanding is the ratio is the most important aspect of Essential Fatty Acids: Omega 6 at a 4:1 ratio to Omega 3 (I've seen 1:1, 6:1, etc.). This ratio seems to be in dispute and I think blood types will vary the ratio. So too much fish oil is not good or animal fats for that matter. Balance... Maybe the blood test is the easiest way: http://www.omega-3-fish-oil-wonders.com/omega-3-fatty-acids-dosage.html If you want to be more technical there is a blood test, Araquidonic Acid/Eicosapentaenoic acid, AA/EPA, that can give you a more exact measurement. It should be between 1.5 to 3 to have your omega 6 and omega 3 balanced. There is also the triglycerides/ HDL cholesterol test, that can give you and indirect measurement of your Omega 6/3 ratio. It should be close to 1. I'll ask Dr. Speight after I get my fat biopsy results back (I still have 6 stitches in my butt) if there is any easier way to test the balance of EFA or the toxicity contained in one's fat and what he recommends for supplementation. On Mar 30, 2007, at 2:18 PM, Marc wrote: >> By stabilizing lipid status with intravenous Phospholipid exchange and >> oral EFA supplementation we have remarkable tools to unload the body >> burden of neurotoxins > > So what exactly are they recommending that one take for EFA > supplementation? > I've tried almost every EFA supplement on the planet :-), and my > reaction > to them vary all over the map... some appear to do nothing, some appear > to > have minor benefit, and some cause nasty adverse reactions (oxygen > starvation, > chest pains, panic attacks, etc). > > I can't say that any of them have produced spectacular results.... > > Marc > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2007 Report Share Posted March 30, 2007 > Dr. Mercola says Krill Oil is the best if one needs Omega 3 and > Cannabis Sativa seems to have a great ratio. > I am not sure how coconut oil fits into the picture but I know it is an > important good fat. Krill oil leaves me oxygen starved... coconut oil makes my legs weak... (also, cod liver oil and chia seeds give me chest pains and panic attacks). Of course, all of this would be consistent with the body releasing toxins... one just has to find a combination/dosage that is tolerable and also gets the toxins out of the body! I do note benefits from flax, evening primrose, and borage oils, and I have no reaction at all to olive oil... Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2007 Report Share Posted March 31, 2007 marc how can you tell that you are having reactions to these things like you said i dont know whats going on with what i take pete On 30 Mar 2007, at 21:29, Marc wrote: > > Dr. Mercola says Krill Oil is the best if one needs Omega 3 and > > Cannabis Sativa seems to have a great ratio. > > I am not sure how coconut oil fits into the picture but I know it > is an > > important good fat. > > Krill oil leaves me oxygen starved... coconut oil makes my legs > weak... (also, cod liver oil and chia seeds give me chest pains > and panic attacks). > > Of course, all of this would be consistent with the body releasing > toxins... one just has to find a combination/dosage that is > tolerable and also gets the toxins out of the body! > > I do note benefits from flax, evening primrose, and borage oils, > and I have no reaction at all to olive oil... > > Marc > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2007 Report Share Posted March 31, 2007 In a message dated 3/31/2007 4:37:00 PM GMT Standard Time, marc@... writes: I can tell because it is obvious. I know what my " normal " level of health is. If I start taking something new and then I get some new symptom, I will likely blame it on the new supplement I am taking. Especially if the symptom goes away when I stop taking it, and returns when I start up again. PAUL UK - This is often the most rational route to discover wether you are ES, but as in most cases it can take a long time before the conection between the ill health reactions often initiated and felt from VDU use and more commonly Mobile use is made, sometimes a few years. Thank heavens for groups like this. When I first fell ill with ES back in late 90s there was no such support for me, I merely worked it out by the same mechanism Marc describes above. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2007 Report Share Posted March 31, 2007 > marc > how can you tell that you are having reactions to these things like you > said i dont know whats going on with what i take I can tell because it is obvious. I know what my " normal " level of health is. If I start taking something new and then I get some new symptom, I will likely blame it on the new supplement I am taking. Especially if the symptom goes away when I stop taking it, and returns when I start up again. But I understand what you mean when you say that you don't know what's going on with what you take. There are many supplements that I have tried that don't appear to do much of anything, good or bad. However, since I have tried so many different supplements over the past 7 years (hundreds?), there are a handful that have given me an extreme reaction, although most of the time I have no idea why I'm having that reaction. Currently, I am experimenting with the supplement " Holy Basil " , which has been described as protective against radiation and detoxes you from heavy metals. In my typical obsessive fashion, I have ordered several different brands of Holy Basil and am comparing my reaction to them. I have already determined that the Holy Basil from New Chapter is too strong for me, and makes me feel weird (possibly heavy metal mobilization). However, other brands such as Medi-Herb seem fine, although I'm not sure if I'm seeing any real benefits. I will certainly report here if I'm seeing some definite benefits with regards to ES. Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2007 Report Share Posted March 31, 2007 I took the Fatty Acid Test from Great Smokies a couple years ago and it showed I had way too much Omega 3 (from my daily diet of wild salmon, cod liver oil, and grass-fed meats). So I made changes in my diet to increase the Omega 6s and decrease Omega 3s. I started having more health problems when I did this...and then when I tried to go back to the daily cod liver oil, I found I was intolerant of it. I also react to coconut oil ingested and topical. I can tolerate olive oil fine. I eat wild salmon 4-6x week. Still wishing I could take the cod liver oil again...makes me feel sick and 'off'. Maybe I should perservere and try to build up my reserves so that something starts to shift internally?? _________________________________________________________________ Exercise your brain! Try Flexicon. http://games.msn.com/en/flexicon/default.htm?icid=flexicon_hmemailtaglinemarch07 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2007 Report Share Posted March 31, 2007 yes marc it seems to be a mindfield, and i know what you mean by becoming obsessed i apparently have mercury toxicity, i have 11 amalgams, i was given homeopathy tinctures to remove the mercury and also others for my liver and kidneys so that it could be excreted properly. I didn't want to get my fillings out because of the mental problems i have been having the severe depression and mood swings so i was scared about becoming worse and still am. I stopped the homeopathy after a few days as i felt extremley suicidal. Also half the time im wondering if by what i am taken is it making my photo sensitivity worse, but sometimes being in ones head and trying to work all this out makes things so much worse. pete On 31 Mar 2007, at 16:34, Marc wrote: > > marc > > how can you tell that you are having reactions to these things like > you > > said i dont know whats going on with what i take > > I can tell because it is obvious. I know what my " normal " level of > health is. If I start taking something new and then I get some new > symptom, I will likely blame it on the new supplement I am taking. > Especially if the symptom goes away when I stop taking it, and returns > when I start up again. > > But I understand what you mean when you say that you don't know what's > going on with what you take. There are many supplements that I have > tried that don't appear to do much of anything, good or bad. However, > since I have tried so many different supplements over the past 7 > years (hundreds?), there are a handful that have given me an extreme > reaction, although most of the time I have no idea why I'm having > that reaction. > > Currently, I am experimenting with the supplement " Holy Basil " , which > has been described as protective against radiation and detoxes you > from heavy metals. In my typical obsessive fashion, I have ordered > several different brands of Holy Basil and am comparing my reaction > to them. I have already determined that the Holy Basil from New > Chapter is too strong for me, and makes me feel weird (possibly > heavy metal mobilization). However, other brands such as Medi-Herb > seem fine, although I'm not sure if I'm seeing any real benefits. > I will certainly report here if I'm seeing some definite benefits > with regards to ES. > > Marc > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2007 Report Share Posted March 31, 2007 ES may very well be caused by neurotoxins. However, other influences may very well be at work. An interesting quote from a 'Newsweek' article on men's depression: " Newer research focuses on the nerve cells themselves and how the brain's circuitry can be permanently damaged by hyperactive stress responses, brought on by genetic predisposition, prolonged stress or even a single traumatic event " . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2007 Report Share Posted March 31, 2007 > I stopped the homeopathy after a few days as i felt extremley suicidal. Not surprising... most people with mercury poisoning who take homeopathic mercury detox supplements have to stop taking them almost immediately due to adverse reactions. I think with mercury poisoning, you don't want to take anything that is going to just mobilize the stuff into your bloodstream. You want to take things that will grab onto the mercury and hold onto it long enough for it to leave your body. Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2007 Report Share Posted April 2, 2007 Just popping in here, no way I'll ever catch up on all the reading. Have you (or anyone) ever tried " Camelina oil " . It's been being promoted as a grain crop out this way the past couple years. I expect will be taking over more of the wheat with time, as more and more people are becoming intolerant to it. Anyway, I looked up camelina info., and it apparently is high in efa's. http://www.bjcomfort.com/en/index.htm Camelina and oil content http://www.grdc.com.au/growers/gc/gc63/oilseeds.htm camelina I find no matter what the oil, if it is not a 100% organically grown one it makes me feel headachey and/or ill, this includes the cod liver oil. Only the Norwegian deep sea that they've tested for impurities does not bother me as far as fish oils. For too: What about taking phosphatidyl choline, if you can't tolerate the oils? It at least helps with the integrity of the myelin sheath. When that's eroded, nerves short circuit and can lead to shocks also. Also using a natural progesterone cream may be highly beneficial in reducing these shocks. -They also label a couple for the male gender as well. ~ Snoshoe > > > Dr. Mercola says Krill Oil is the best if one needs Omega 3 and > > Cannabis Sativa seems to have a great ratio. > > I am not sure how coconut oil fits into the picture but I know it is an > > important good fat. > > Krill oil leaves me oxygen starved... coconut oil makes my legs > weak... (also, cod liver oil and chia seeds give me chest pains > and panic attacks). > > Of course, all of this would be consistent with the body releasing > toxins... one just has to find a combination/dosage that is > tolerable and also gets the toxins out of the body! > > I do note benefits from flax, evening primrose, and borage oils, > and I have no reaction at all to olive oil... > > Marc > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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