Re: Suing neighbor over wi-fi

[Guest guest]

Thank you ,

I posted a comment on a local Santa Fe paper's website. I also sent an e-mail

to Bob Park a University of land physics professor who discounted EMS and

said it was probably psychological in origin.

jw

Jennie

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From: matthew.osmond <matthew.osmond@...>

Sent: Tue, March 30, 2010 7:18:05 PM

Subject: Suing neighbor over wi-fi

http://www.chicagot ribune.com/ health/la- na-hometown- santa-fe28- 2010mar28,

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[Guest guest]

Good. I can't tell you how influential Bob Park is among

physicists. Many physicists have read each of his columns

for decades.

His history is interesting. He started in radar school at the

airforce and installed the radar system at Roswell AFB.

Later he suddenly becomes the first ever communications

arm of the American Physical Society and starts his popular

column. If I had time I'd read all his early columns to see

where he's coming from. He bashes wasteful pentagon

spending, but does he comment on the Air Force? Has

he also denigrated acupuncture? Herbal supplements?

Vitamin supplements?

Bill

On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 1:02 AM, Jennie Wassenaar <ad-in@...>wrote:

>

>

> Thank you ,

>

> I posted a comment on a local Santa Fe paper's website. I also sent an

> e-mail to Bob Park a University of land physics professor who discounted

> EMS and said it was probably psychological in origin.

>

> jw

>

> Jennie

>

> ________________________________

> From: matthew.osmond <matthew.osmond@...<matthew.osmond%40>

> >

> <%40>

> Sent: Tue, March 30, 2010 7:18:05 PM

> Subject: Suing neighbor over wi-fi

>

> http://www.chicagot ribune.com/ health/la- na-hometown- santa-fe28-

> 2010mar28, 0,7549400. story

>

>

[Guest guest]

Isn't there enough hard science yet to discount the " all in your head "

stuff? If this goes to court, I hope they bring up all that hard science.

My recent exposures to Wi-fi or WLAN 5.8Ghz here in my neighborhood has

made me believe it is worse than cel-phones and maybe even towers, for

the signal strength is much higher and is annoying this family crazy.

You may recall I wrote last autumn I was trying to figure out what was

new bothering me in the neighborhood. Whenever I ride past 2 houses, I

get an increase of symptoms relative to the time of exposure. Last week,

I approached the 2nd neighbor, and offered to find the problem with a

couple meters. She didn't know what was causing the noise on the

Acoustimeter, as the tech gear is her husband's. She has talked about

symptoms very familiar to us, including her daughter.

I got really close to the equipment, Measured -5dBm and > 6.0V/m (top of

scale) from the Netgear wireless router (802.11n) 5.820 Ghz

That is louder than a celphone -25dBm in rural area, or a cel-phone in

town -55dBm, as measured by the new Cornet meter.

That 5 minute exposure gave me a migraine headache that lasted for

several days, Symptoms of a Concussion because every step, and every

bump was spiking pain to my bruised head.

I am not intending to sue, but I certainly feel the same way. My safe

rural neighborhood has turned hostile.

The effective radius of these newest devices are longer, and seem more

powerful. Bad news for us.

matthew.osmond wrote:

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http://www.chicagotribune.com/health/la-na-hometown-santa-fe28-2010mar28,0,75494\

00.story

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>

[Guest guest]

He sounds like a closed minded A. Loni

>

>

> Thank you ,

>

> I posted a comment on a local Santa Fe paper's website. I also sent an

> e-mail to Bob Park a University of land physics professor who discounted

> EMS and said it was probably psychological in origin.

>

> jw

>

> Jennie

>

> ________________________________

> From: matthew.osmond <matthew.osmond@...<matthew.osmond%40>

> >

> <%40>

> Sent: Tue, March 30, 2010 7:18:05 PM

> Subject: Suing neighbor over wi-fi

>

> http://www.chicagot ribune.com/ health/la- na-hometown- santa-fe28-

> 2010mar28, 0,7549400. story

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>

[Guest guest]

It is just horrible that that woman won't accommodate the guy who can't live in

his house. I for one knows how that is. People are just too self centered.

 

I hope he wins the law suit. Loni

> http://www.chicagot ribune.com/ health/la- na-hometown- santa-fe28- 2010mar28,

0,7549400. story

>

>

[Guest guest]

I am afraid taht he will not.

He must proof in court that he is electrosensitive.

And just that is hardly possible.

Only physicians can do that, but those, who are willing to put that on

paper, are hard to find.

And even when one has such a physician's statement, the WHO-maffia fells

over everybody, and yelling the Repacholi verdict.

As long as the WHO keepsclaiming that electrosensitivity does not exist, we

do not have a chance.

Greetings,

Claessens

member Verband Baubiologie

www.milieuziektes.nl

www.milieuziektes.be

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Re: Suing neighbor over wi-fi

It is just horrible that that woman won't accommodate the guy who can't live

in his house. I for one knows how that is. People are just too self

centered.

I hope he wins the law suit. Loni

> http://www.chicagot ribune.com/ health/la- na-hometown- santa-fe28-

> 2010mar28, 0,7549400. story

>

>

[Guest guest]

Loni wrote:

> It is just horrible that that woman won't accommodate the guy who can't live

in his house. I for one knows how that is. People are just too self centered.

>

I'll try to be more clear. The woman and the guy are my neighbors, I

can't stand to be near their house, which is 300 ft. away.

I don't know yet if he has denial, or just ignorance of the danger and

consequences.

I do know she doesn't understand much about technology.

The only person the guy is not accommodating, is me.

At least I verified the source of the problem. Very costly for me though.

This is not the same place as that news article from Santa Fe.

Republic, WA

[Guest guest]

> I hope he wins the law suit. Loni

Actually, I think this person should spend more effort trying to get

better, rather than suing his neighbors. I mean, the wi-fi coming

from my neighbors house bothers me too, but I would never think

of suing them!

Marc

[Guest guest]

The physicists always point out that EMR can't break off electrons like nuclear

radiation, but that's more applicable to cancer than hypersensitivity. As far as

DNA damage, I believe there is evidence for that.

L.

>

> >

> >

> > Thank you ,

> >

> > I posted a comment on a local Santa Fe paper's website. I also sent an

> > e-mail to Bob Park a University of land physics professor who discounted

> > EMS and said it was probably psychological in origin.

> >

> > jw

> >

> > Jennie

> >

> > ________________________________

> > From: matthew.osmond <matthew.osmond@...<matthew.osmond%40>

> > >

> > <%40>

> > Sent: Tue, March 30, 2010 7:18:05 PM

> > Subject: Suing neighbor over wi-fi

> >

> > http://www.chicagot ribune.com/ health/la- na-hometown- santa-fe28-

> > 2010mar28, 0,7549400. story

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Yes but he can't live in his own house because of it. And it doesn't sound like

she give a rats a.

 

I guess I wouldn't sue a neighbor either but know how frustrating it is to not

be able to sleep in my house.

 

Is that right for her not to make the changes needed in order for him to be able

to live!?

 

Loni

From: Marc <marc@...>

Subject: Re: Suing neighbor over wi-fi

Date: Wednesday, March 31, 2010, 11:34 AM

 

> I hope he wins the law suit. Loni

Actually, I think this person should spend more effort trying to get

better, rather than suing his neighbors. I mean, the wi-fi coming

from my neighbors house bothers me too, but I would never think

of suing them!

Marc

[Guest guest]

> Is that right for her not to make the changes needed in order for him to

> be able to live!?

Yes, but I'm sure she feels that she has a right to do certain things in

her house as well...

(someone this sensitive should probably live where there are no nearby

neighbors)

Marc

[Guest guest]

He has lived in isolation for 20 years! He has decided to make a stand - to

make people aware of EHS and it's working! Follow the leader - martin luther

king. In France - they rise up and protest -

On 2010-03-31, at 6:23 PM, Marc wrote:

> > Is that right for her not to make the changes needed in order for him to

> > be able to live!?

>

> Yes, but I'm sure she feels that she has a right to do certain things in

> her house as well...

>

> (someone this sensitive should probably live where there are no nearby

> neighbors)

>

> Marc

>

[Guest guest]

> He has lived in isolation for 20 years! He has decided to make a stand -

> to make people aware of EHS and it's working! Follow the leader - martin

> luther king. In France - they rise up and protest -

Yes, but with the sensitivities we observe on this group, one could

end up trying to sue their neighbors for watching their plasma TVs,

having a fridge, using compact fluorescent lights, etc. Seems a

bit silly.

Marc

[Guest guest]

Well - I agree his lawsuit is a bit " Out there " but the " out there " stuff gets

publicity - lots of publicity. He could bring action against his public

library with wifi. But that's not going to get press. But suing your neighbour

- that gets in the tabloids! And that's the point. Public awareness. We have

been shut out for too long - running away - hiding in the woods.

But when the magazines such as GQ, and Prevention, and Popular Science and the

LA times come out to our aid - they do this for a reason -so we have a voice -

and Arthur sees that the media is no longer afraid to loose their advertising

dollars from the wireless industry - He decides it time to ride the wave. And

it's working - it's spreading - people joke about it - but it does cause people

to think.

Sara Palin does dumb things too - but she's great press....

On 2010-03-31, at 6:34 PM, Marc wrote:

> > He has lived in isolation for 20 years! He has decided to make a stand -

> > to make people aware of EHS and it's working! Follow the leader - martin

> > luther king. In France - they rise up and protest -

>

> Yes, but with the sensitivities we observe on this group, one could

> end up trying to sue their neighbors for watching their plasma TVs,

> having a fridge, using compact fluorescent lights, etc. Seems a

> bit silly.

>

> Marc

>

[Guest guest]

Well I didn't realize my sensitivities until way after I bought this house where

I am surrounded by neighbors & cell towers. Now it is impossible to sell as we

all know.

 

Loni

From: Marc <marc@...>

Subject: Re: Suing neighbor over wi-fi

Date: Wednesday, March 31, 2010, 3:23 PM

 

> Is that right for her not to make the changes needed in order for him to

> be able to live!?

Yes, but I'm sure she feels that she has a right to do certain things in

her house as well...

(someone this sensitive should probably live where there are no nearby

neighbors)

Marc

[Guest guest]

So what can we do to back Arthur?  Help our cause!  Loni

> > He has lived in isolation for 20 years! He has decided to make a stand -

> > to make people aware of EHS and it's working! Follow the leader - martin

> > luther king. In France - they rise up and protest -

>

> Yes, but with the sensitivities we observe on this group, one could

> end up trying to sue their neighbors for watching their plasma TVs,

> having a fridge, using compact fluorescent lights, etc. Seems a

> bit silly.

>

> Marc

>

[Guest guest]

I don't think fridges, tv's & flourescents are in the same ball bark as wifi.

Comparing apples to oranges. Just not the same. Loni

From: Marc <marc@...>

Subject: Re: Suing neighbor over wi-fi

Date: Wednesday, March 31, 2010, 3:34 PM

 

> He has lived in isolation for 20 years! He has decided to make a stand -

> to make people aware of EHS and it's working! Follow the leader - martin

> luther king. In France - they rise up and protest -

Yes, but with the sensitivities we observe on this group, one could

end up trying to sue their neighbors for watching their plasma TVs,

having a fridge, using compact fluorescent lights, etc. Seems a

bit silly.

Marc

[Guest guest]

If anyone really wants to help I can give them Arthur's phone number.

Another thing that might help is to learn the rules of Wikipedia so you

can help build consensus on things like the electrosensitivity page and

Arthur's page. But don't even try to edit controversial pages like that

unless you know the rules like 3rr and sock puppets.

Bill

On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 6:18 PM, Loni <loni326@...> wrote:

>

>

> So what can we do to back Arthur? Help our cause! Loni

>

>

>

> > > He has lived in isolation for 20 years! He has decided to make a stand

> -

> > > to make people aware of EHS and it's working! Follow the leader -

> martin

> > > luther king. In France - they rise up and protest -

> >

> > Yes, but with the sensitivities we observe on this group, one could

> > end up trying to sue their neighbors for watching their plasma TVs,

> > having a fridge, using compact fluorescent lights, etc. Seems a

> > bit silly.

> >

> > Marc

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

Perhaps it would be helpful to Arthur if he is sent the AEHF.com symposium

listing for this summer, since it's almost all about electromagnetic sensitivity

this year. It would give some doctors,

plus the ones attending and learning there too.

If the change in heart rate test on exposure applies to him, there is hard

evidence.

Then if he can get someone in there with the various meters to do readings while

things are on, and off at the neighbors house, it would show his space is being

invaded/polluted by it too.

Kudos to him for doing this!

~ Snoshoe

>

>

> From: S son <sandreas41@...>

> Subject: Re: Suing neighbor over wi-fi

>

> Date: Wednesday, March 31, 2010, 8:32 AM

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Isn't there enough hard science yet to discount the " all in your head "

> stuff? If this goes to court, I hope they bring up all that hard science.

>

> My recent exposures to Wi-fi or WLAN 5.8Ghz here in my neighborhood has

> made me believe it is worse than cel-phones and maybe even towers, for

> the signal strength is much higher and is annoying this family crazy.

>

> You may recall I wrote last autumn I was trying to figure out what was

> new bothering me in the neighborhood. Whenever I ride past 2 houses, I

> get an increase of symptoms relative to the time of exposure. Last week,

> I approached the 2nd neighbor, and offered to find the problem with a

> couple meters. She didn't know what was causing the noise on the

> Acoustimeter, as the tech gear is her husband's. She has talked about

> symptoms very familiar to us, including her daughter.

> I got really close to the equipment, Measured -5dBm and > 6.0V/m (top of

> scale) from the Netgear wireless router (802.11n) 5.820 Ghz

> That is louder than a celphone -25dBm in rural area, or a cel-phone in

> town -55dBm, as measured by the new Cornet meter.

>

> That 5 minute exposure gave me a migraine headache that lasted for

> several days, Symptoms of a Concussion because every step, and every

> bump was spiking pain to my bruised head.

>

> I am not intending to sue, but I certainly feel the same way. My safe

> rural neighborhood has turned hostile.

>

> The effective radius of these newest devices are longer, and seem more

> powerful. Bad news for us.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> He has lived in isolation for 20 years! He has decided to make a stand -

> to make people aware of EHS and it's working!

If you read the comments made after this story (now on multiple websites),

99% of the people just think the guy is nuts, and requires mental help.

I don't think that's the awareness you are hoping for...

Marc

[Guest guest]

I guess that is what most people think of our plight. Loni

From: Marc <marc@...>

Subject: Re: Suing neighbor over wi-fi

Date: Thursday, April 1, 2010, 12:01 PM

 

> He has lived in isolation for 20 years! He has decided to make a stand -

> to make people aware of EHS and it's working!

If you read the comments made after this story (now on multiple websites),

99% of the people just think the guy is nuts, and requires mental help.

I don't think that's the awareness you are hoping for...

Marc

[Guest guest]

Yes I agree, ANY attention is always better than NO attention at all...

> > He has lived in isolation for 20 years! He has decided to make a stand -

> > to make people aware of EHS and it's working! Follow the leader - martin

> > luther king. In France - they rise up and protest -

>

> Yes, but with the sensitivities we observe on this group, one could

> end up trying to sue their neighbors for watching their plasma TVs,

> having a fridge, using compact fluorescent lights, etc. Seems a

> bit silly.

>

> Marc

>

[Guest guest]

I think it would depend on the situation if I'd sue.

I'd like surrounding neighbors to not use their wireless items, but as it is now

if I was to take action it would be against the providers.

Now if the neighbors were deliberately harrassing with it, or being obnoxious as

some neighbors are, that might be another story.

This woman being sued may be on the deliberately doing it side. I don't know.

I have heard of neighbors being taken to court for that before, a couple times,

but I don't know what the outcomes were.

~ Snoshoe

>

> > I hope he wins the law suit. Loni

>

> Actually, I think this person should spend more effort trying to get

> better, rather than suing his neighbors. I mean, the wi-fi coming

> from my neighbors house bothers me too, but I would never think

> of suing them!

>

> Marc

>

[Guest guest]

PUK replies - I swear to God I would happily blow a few thousand pounds on

suing the couple who are making my life a misery with their Plasma TV.

Even if I knew I would loose I would love to see their vindictive control

freakish smug faces in a court of law. The lady being sued by Fistenburg said

she simply gave up complying with his wishes and live as she would like, -

Kinda selfish and childish mindset going on here it seems ? I feel for

Arthur in his plight, it really should be incumbent on a " user " of these

polluting technologies to ensure that where expressed their " habits " do not

cause

hardship of health impacts to others, particularly where is concerns

someones home(santuary)so basically the lady should be told to thoroughly

screen

her house to stop the waves from entering his property it is her muck that

she is spreading, she should clean up her act, so many people should check

into a rehap to break this addiction and to explore the real reason why

they defend so vigorously their (in-human) right to use it versus the well

being of another human-being.

The thing that really gets me is when I tell some people about my problem

with the Plasma TV a common reply is - well he is entitled to watch his TV

! Yes is my reply of course, but he is not entitled to pollute my home

(some 50m away)with radiation that is so relentless and that he controls at

the flick of a switch knowing that it causes me great discomfort and damages

my health and well being, my rights here should be paramount when the

solution could be as simple as replacing the TV. Its human rights vs in-human

rights

The House of SIM CARDS, a fragile refuge of a generation that will have

forgoten they are flesh and blood when finally their batteries run dry and

down it falls without warning and once again they will gaze into human eyes.

In a message dated 02/04/2010 01:19:52 GMT Daylight Time,

snoshoe_2@... writes:

I think it would depend on the situation if I'd sue.

I'd like surrounding neighbors to not use their wireless items, but as it

is now if I was to take action it would be against the providers.

Now if the neighbors were deliberately harrassing with it, or being

obnoxious as some neighbors are, that might be another story.

[Guest guest]

PUK replies - Suing you neighbour rarely comes out of a whim, and is likely

a last resort if nothing else due to the expense, but the TV issue is a

problem, imagine you sit in a flat or a semi-detatched house and your sofa is

positioned on the dividing wall and along comes your neighbour and puts up

like a picture on the otherside of the wall, ussually no thicker than

260mm (could equally be a baby sleeping in a cot) a Large television wether its

LCD or Plasma coming from our point of veiw you are in big trouble, I

would go so far as saying that these highly radiative devices should have a

warning sticker on them in this regard. But in my case with the Plasma TV as

you know and as I have demonstrated on youtube (Plasma TV RFI) this swamps

my house daily, and I put the person on notice 18 months ago re the problem

and he as good as spat at me ! He has a smug look on his face as if to say

you cant touch me ! Well like I say this situation would make good grounds

for suing on the basis of personal injury, phychological torture... this

case would have legs, it can be readily demonstrated that the problem exists

which in anyones mind would generate curiosity how this can occur from

such a distance from a comercial TV set - Just need the funds and I would be

on this case like a rat up a drain pipe !!!! I am not ashamed to be ES !!!

PUK

In a message dated 01/04/2010 23:06:13 GMT Daylight Time, stephen_vandev

ijvere@... writes:

Yes, but with the sensitivities we observe on this group, one could

> end up trying to sue their neighbors for watching their plasma TVs,

> having a fridge, using compact fluorescent lights, etc. Seems a

> bit silly.

>

> Marc