Re: Suing neighbor over wi-fi

[Guest guest]

When it is genetic I beleive you have to diminish tremedously your exposure. My

experience thus far. Loni

From: Marc <marc@...>

Subject: Re: Re: Suing neighbor over wi-fi

Date: Sunday, April 4, 2010, 7:35 PM

 

> Puk replies - What if the problem is genetic ?

I've heard from at least one doctor that genetics can be overcome

to an extent via diet and supplements. .. and certainly with ES,

you can shielding, avoidance, EMF devices...

Marc

[Guest guest]

Bill, interesting point on Wikipedia. I helped to generate the original

page on electrosensitivity about 3 years ago. I tried to keep it objective

and balanced, but after a few months I got engaged in a " revert war " with

some guys with strongly sceptical views and found I was outnumbered. I

found it was actually causing me a lot of emotional stress, so I gave up

editing the page and have not even dared to go back and look at it for the

last 2 years to see where it has evolved to!

Ian

Re: Suing neighbor over wi-fi

If anyone really wants to help I can give them Arthur's phone number.

Another thing that might help is to learn the rules of Wikipedia so you can

help build consensus on things like the electrosensitivity page and Arthur's

page. But don't even try to edit controversial pages like that unless you

know the rules like 3rr and sock puppets.

Bill

On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 6:18 PM, Loni <loni326@...> wrote:

>

>

> So what can we do to back Arthur? Help our cause! Loni

>

>

>

> > > He has lived in isolation for 20 years! He has decided to make a

> > > stand

> -

> > > to make people aware of EHS and it's working! Follow the leader -

> martin

> > > luther king. In France - they rise up and protest -

> >

> > Yes, but with the sensitivities we observe on this group, one could

> > end up trying to sue their neighbors for watching their plasma TVs,

> > having a fridge, using compact fluorescent lights, etc. Seems a bit

> > silly.

> >

> > Marc

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Loni, don't quite understand why you feel it would be " impossible to

sell " your house. To be honest, 95% or even 99% of people looking to buy a

house will not be bothered - after all, virtually all houses have cell

towers or wifi somewhere nearby. Only the small proportion of severely ES

people are likely to have a major issue with this such that it would affect

their choice of which house to buy. Or do you mean there are other reasons

- e.g. house prices have fallen severely in your area due to the recession?

Ian

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From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Loni

Sent: 01 April 2010 01:16

Subject: Re: Suing neighbor over wi-fi

Well I didn't realize my sensitivities until way after I bought this house

where I am surrounded by neighbors & cell towers. Now it is impossible to

sell as we all know.

Loni

From: Marc <marcufoseries (DOT) <mailto:marc%40ufoseries.com> com>

Subject: Re: Suing neighbor over wi-fi

groups (DOT) <mailto:%40> com

Date: Wednesday, March 31, 2010, 3:23 PM

> Is that right for her not to make the changes needed in order for him to

> be able to live!?

Yes, but I'm sure she feels that she has a right to do certain things in

her house as well...

(someone this sensitive should probably live where there are no nearby

neighbors)

Marc

[Guest guest]

> Bill, interesting point on Wikipedia. I helped to generate the

> original page on electrosensitivity about 3 years ago. I tried to keep

> it objective and balanced, but after a few months I got engaged in a

> " revert war " with some guys with strongly sceptical views and found I

> was outnumbered. I found it was actually causing me a lot of

> emotional stress, so I gave up editing the page and have not even

> dared to go back and look at it for the last 2 years to see where it

> has evolved to!

Yes, unfortunately Wikipedia can stray from " the truth " due to other

people's ignorance. I would find it frustrating to engage with such

people, so I don't. At least we haven't had the problem on " "

where people subscribe to argue about the existence of ES (and I would

throw them off the group anyway, as this group makes an implicit

assumption that it *does* exist!)

Marc

[Guest guest]

Ian,

 

Yes I mean the recession, not the cell towers. Most people won't care about

that.

 

Loni

From: Marc <marcufoseries (DOT) <mailto:marc% 40ufoseries. com> com>

Subject: Re: Suing neighbor over wi-fi

groups (DOT) <mailto:% 40groups. com> com

Date: Wednesday, March 31, 2010, 3:23 PM

> Is that right for her not to make the changes needed in order for him to

> be able to live!?

Yes, but I'm sure she feels that she has a right to do certain things in

her house as well...

(someone this sensitive should probably live where there are no nearby

neighbors)

Marc

[Guest guest]

> Yes I mean the recession, not the cell towers. Most people won't care

> about that.

It can also be difficult to find a house when their are other family

members (or pets) that have their own requirements. My current house

is far from perfect from an EMF standpoint, but it didn't seem likely

that we were going to find anything better based on the various

other considerations.

Marc

[Guest guest]

I want to avoid taking sides in Arthur's lawsuit, but I will mention

one thing that is public knowledge, that he began having problems

when he was in med school and underwent 40 or 50 dental x-rays.

I think it's plausible the damage from that is not easily fixed.

I do think it's good advice to improve health to reduce sensitivity,

but people also have constraints... for some a $30 bottle of supplements

is unaffordable, for others eating meat is unethical or against their

religion, and then there are people (including one fighting cancer)

who will say they can't live without wi-fi!

I know a lot of people have found things that help them, but

I haven't seen too many reports on this list of something that

was helpful for most of those who tried it. I hope someone

will make a list of such things that did work for most.

Bill

On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 2:25 PM, Ian Kemp <ianandsue.kemp@...>wrote:

>

>

> Bill, interesting point on Wikipedia. I helped to generate the original

> page on electrosensitivity about 3 years ago. I tried to keep it objective

> and balanced, but after a few months I got engaged in a " revert war " with

> some guys with strongly sceptical views and found I was outnumbered. I

> found it was actually causing me a lot of emotional stress, so I gave up

> editing the page and have not even dared to go back and look at it for the

> last 2 years to see where it has evolved to!

>

> Ian

>

>

> Re: Suing neighbor over wi-fi

>

> If anyone really wants to help I can give them Arthur's phone number.

> Another thing that might help is to learn the rules of Wikipedia so you can

> help build consensus on things like the electrosensitivity page and

> Arthur's

> page. But don't even try to edit controversial pages like that unless you

> know the rules like 3rr and sock puppets.

>

> Bill

>

> On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 6:18 PM, Loni <loni326@...<loni326%40>>

> wrote:

>

> >

> >

> > So what can we do to back Arthur? Help our cause! Loni

> >

> >

> >

> > > > He has lived in isolation for 20 years! He has decided to make a

> > > > stand

> > -

> > > > to make people aware of EHS and it's working! Follow the leader -

> > martin

> > > > luther king. In France - they rise up and protest -

> > >

> > > Yes, but with the sensitivities we observe on this group, one could

> > > end up trying to sue their neighbors for watching their plasma TVs,

> > > having a fridge, using compact fluorescent lights, etc. Seems a bit

> > > silly.

> > >

> > > Marc

> > >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Yes it does seem like an individual thing but it seems to me that the

sensitivity is causes by something that we all have in common. No research to

find out what the common denomonator is which is unfortunate.

 

Hopefully in the future there will be more done for us. Loni

> >

> > > > He has lived in isolation for 20 years! He has decided to make a

> > > > stand

> > -

> > > > to make people aware of EHS and it's working! Follow the leader -

> > martin

> > > > luther king. In France - they rise up and protest -

> > >

> > > Yes, but with the sensitivities we observe on this group, one could

> > > end up trying to sue their neighbors for watching their plasma TVs,

> > > having a fridge, using compact fluorescent lights, etc. Seems a bit

> > > silly.

> > >

> > > Marc

> > >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Yes, I guess it depends on individual circumstances. We had to do some

modification work on our new house as we couldn't find one that was right -

no choice in moving because my job relocated. Fortunately both buying and

selling prices went up and down in tandem so global economics didn't really

affect us.

Ian

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From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Marc

Sent: 05 April 2010 21:47

Subject: RE: Suing neighbor over wi-fi

> Yes I mean the recession, not the cell towers. Most people won't care

> about that.

It can also be difficult to find a house when their are other family

members (or pets) that have their own requirements. My current house

is far from perfect from an EMF standpoint, but it didn't seem likely

that we were going to find anything better based on the various

other considerations.

Marc

[Guest guest]

My understanding is that it may be genetic in that we are predisposed to EMS

with exposure but with avoidance and up keep of other health issues (immune

system, etc.) we can minimize the effects.

________________________________

From: Marc <marc@...>

Sent: Sun, April 4, 2010 10:35:53 PM

Subject: Re: Re: Suing neighbor over wi-fi

> Puk replies - What if the problem is genetic ?

I've heard from at least one doctor that genetics can be overcome

to an extent via diet and supplements. .. and certainly with ES,

you can shielding, avoidance, EMF devices...

Marc

[Guest guest]

If ES is mainly genetic, many members of our families would be ES as well?

At my family (30 persons: parents, brother, sister, uncles, cousins…) nobody is

ES…

.

>

> My understanding is that it may be genetic in that we are predisposed to EMS

with exposure but with avoidance and up keep of other health issues (immune

system, etc.) we can minimize the effects.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: Marc <marc@...>

>

> Sent: Sun, April 4, 2010 10:35:53 PM

> Subject: Re: Re: Suing neighbor over wi-fi

>

>

> > Puk replies - What if the problem is genetic ?

>

> I've heard from at least one doctor that genetics can be overcome

> to an extent via diet and supplements. .. and certainly with ES,

> you can shielding, avoidance, EMF devices...

>

> Marc

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

That doesn't mean that they are not predisposed. You may have been overexposed

to chemicals or EMF with out even knowing & made you ES. But there probably is a

genetic issue concerning most people that are inflicted. The ability to remove

toxins what ever it may be. IMO. Loni

From: <@...>

Subject: Re: Suing neighbor over wi-fi

Date: Wednesday, April 7, 2010, 6:22 PM

 

If ES is mainly genetic, many members of our families would be ES as well?

At my family (30 persons: parents, brother, sister, uncles, cousins…) nobody

is ES…

.

>

> My understanding is that it may be genetic in that we are predisposed to EMS

with exposure but with avoidance and up keep of other health issues (immune

system, etc.) we can minimize the effects.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> From: Marc <marc@...>

> groups (DOT) com

> Sent: Sun, April 4, 2010 10:35:53 PM

> Subject: Re: Re: Suing neighbor over wi-fi

>

>

> > Puk replies - What if the problem is genetic ?

>

> I've heard from at least one doctor that genetics can be overcome

> to an extent via diet and supplements. .. and certainly with ES,

> you can shielding, avoidance, EMF devices...

>

> Marc

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Puk replies - There is certainly more to genetics than simple generational

occurance, you may carry genetic material from many generation ago and so

on.

In a message dated 08/04/2010 04:47:22 GMT Daylight Time, loni326@...

writes:

If ES is mainly genetic, many members of our families would be ES as well?

At my family (30 persons: parents, brother, sister, uncles, cousins…)

nobody is ES…

.

[Guest guest]

PUK replies -Yes I agree but rather like the comment about Arthur wasting

many of his years in isolation, part of the management protocol of ES must

be to remove yourself from as much esmog as you can as well as " looking

after yourself " the ES reaction may be more direct than we think it may well be

a protective sense that is either a curse or a blessing in disguise.

Strangely the fitter I become the more acute some ES reactions can be ??

In a message dated 08/04/2010 01:58:49 GMT Daylight Time,

ad-in@... writes:

My understanding is that it may be genetic in that we are predisposed to

EMS with exposure but with avoidance and up keep of other health issues

(immune system, etc.) we can minimize the effects.

[Guest guest]

You may also believe that angels and kobolds do play a part in this.

But genetics has nothing to do with electrosensitivity.

It is only a matter of damaged immune system.

Repair this damaged immune system, and the sensitivity wil be gone.

Greetings,

Claessens

member Verband Baubiologie

www.milieuziektes.nl

www.milieuziektes.be

www.hetbitje.nl

checked by Norton

Re: Re: Suing neighbor over wi-fi

Puk replies - There is certainly more to genetics than simple generational

occurance, you may carry genetic material from many generation ago and so

on.

In a message dated 08/04/2010 04:47:22 GMT Daylight Time, loni326@...

writes:

If ES is mainly genetic, many members of our families would be ES as well?

At my family (30 persons: parents, brother, sister, uncles, cousins…)

nobody is ES…

.

[Guest guest]

Loni, in my family there may not be any ES-ers but I know the group is too small

to make any conclusions! I `m also inclined to think genetics play a (minor)

role…

.

> >

> > My understanding is that it may be genetic in that we are predisposed to EMS

with exposure but with avoidance and up keep of other health issues (immune

system, etc.) we can minimize the effects.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > From: Marc <marc@>

> > groups (DOT) com

> > Sent: Sun, April 4, 2010 10:35:53 PM

> > Subject: Re: Re: Suing neighbor over wi-fi

> >

> >

> > > Puk replies - What if the problem is genetic ?

> >

> > I've heard from at least one doctor that genetics can be overcome

> > to an extent via diet and supplements. .. and certainly with ES,

> > you can shielding, avoidance, EMF devices...

> >

> > Marc

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Doubtful if it is genetic in the sense that

it comes from mtDNA

Genes are switched on/off all the time

by meds, vaccines, malnutrition, diet,

environmental etc...

This is why Epigenetics using vits/supps, compounds

from certain foods,is promising.

There is evidence that medications and vaccines can

alter mtDNA,causing diseases process, oxidative stress and more.

There is evidence that the generation born in the early 1900s to

1940s were much healthier and living longer than those who are now

in their 40s & 50s. The latter are falling ill, mobility

restrictions, and diseases. IMHO, I suspect it is because of vaccines,

medications and pollution.

> > >

> > > My understanding is that it may be genetic in that we are predisposed to

EMS with exposure but with avoidance and up keep of other health issues (immune

system, etc.) we can minimize the effects.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > From: Marc <marc@>

> > > groups (DOT) com

> > > Sent: Sun, April 4, 2010 10:35:53 PM

> > > Subject: Re: Re: Suing neighbor over wi-fi

> > >

> > >

> > > > Puk replies - What if the problem is genetic ?

> > >

> > > I've heard from at least one doctor that genetics can be overcome

> > > to an extent via diet and supplements. .. and certainly with ES,

> > > you can shielding, avoidance, EMF devices...

> > >

> > > Marc

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

How do you repair the immune system when you are bombarded by over exposure to

EMF. Your immune system & total body is under attack & doesn't really have the

opportunity to heal. It is a catch 22 for sure. Loni

From: charles <charles@...>

Subject: Re: Re: Suing neighbor over wi-fi

Date: Thursday, April 8, 2010, 1:08 AM

 

You may also believe that angels and kobolds do play a part in this.

But genetics has nothing to do with electrosensitivity.

It is only a matter of damaged immune system.

Repair this damaged immune system, and the sensitivity wil be gone.

Greetings,

Claessens

member Verband Baubiologie

www.milieuziektes. nl

www.milieuziektes. be

www.hetbitje. nl

checked by Norton

Re: Re: Suing neighbor over wi-fi

Puk replies - There is certainly more to genetics than simple generational

occurance, you may carry genetic material from many generation ago and so

on.

In a message dated 08/04/2010 04:47:22 GMT Daylight Time, loni326 (DOT) com

writes:

If ES is mainly genetic, many members of our families would be ES as well?

At my family (30 persons: parents, brother, sister, uncles, cousins…)

nobody is ES…

.

[Guest guest]

Maybe I wasn't quite clear or maybe I was. I don't think it is genetic that we

have ES. I believe there are genetic reasons our bodies don't detox or process

EMF like others do.

 

Loni

From: <@...>

Subject: Re: Suing neighbor over wi-fi

Date: Thursday, April 8, 2010, 2:44 AM

 

Loni, in my family there may not be any ES-ers but I know the group is too small

to make any conclusions! I `m also inclined to think genetics play a (minor)

role…

.

> >

> > My understanding is that it may be genetic in that we are predisposed to EMS

with exposure but with avoidance and up keep of other health issues (immune

system, etc.) we can minimize the effects.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > From: Marc <marc@>

> > groups (DOT) com

> > Sent: Sun, April 4, 2010 10:35:53 PM

> > Subject: Re: Re: Suing neighbor over wi-fi

> >

> >

> > > Puk replies - What if the problem is genetic ?

> >

> > I've heard from at least one doctor that genetics can be overcome

> > to an extent via diet and supplements. .. and certainly with ES,

> > you can shielding, avoidance, EMF devices...

> >

> > Marc

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

PUK replies - It would be interesting to find wether we have some form of

index to help assess the condition of someones immune system, when you say

damaged to what extent, what part etc any ideas here ? What about those

that have severly compromised immune systems, there are many persons who have

this as part of their desease and so on, are they at risk of ES as well, or

turning it on its head why have they not got symptoms ? Perhaps another

thing to consider is that exposure to EMR cuases the damage to the immune

system, so that's paradoxical ?

In a message dated 08/04/2010 09:08:46 GMT Daylight Time,

charles@... writes:

You may also believe that angels and kobolds do play a part in this.

But genetics has nothing to do with electrosensitivity.

It is only a matter of damaged immune system.

Repair this damaged immune system, and the sensitivity wil be gone.