Re: Computers and Laptops: whats the solution?

March 7, 2010

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Wow - I was hoping that I was on to something by searching for a laptop with the

lowest-voltage processor I could manage (without sacrificing too much in the

performance area). I realize that the emf-issue concerning computers is

probably more complex than simply focusing on the processor....but I was

thinking/hoping that the processor was a big enough part of the equation that I

would notice relief by getting a more voltage/heat efficient, " cooler-running "

processor.

So maybe I'm back to square one.

From what I've seen, those Panasonic touchbooks are out of the question for me,

budget-wise (and the prices I was looking at were just for the commercial

version. I imagine that the military versions are even more expensive...if a

" civilian " can even get his/her hands on one). I had resigned myself to paying

$1,200 for a Macbook Pro *if* owning one would mean that I could use a laptop

without getting ES symptoms and wrecking my health...but I can't do much higher

than that. And the Touchbook prices I saw were much higher than $1,200. (Some

of the sites selling Touchbooks don't list the prices at all, or they " hide " the

prices as much as possible. When I noticed that, I knew the prices of those

babies must be through the roof.)

I guess one reason why I thought that laptops with low-voltage processors would

be better for me is that I have generally noticed that my symptoms don't seem as

severe when the ambient temperature is cooler - meaning, that the cooler the

room is, the " milder " my symptoms seem to be. I've also noticed my symptoms

getting worse when this laptop's cooling fans kick into a higher gear: when the

fans get louder, I seem to experience an almost-immediate worsening of my

symptoms. So I thought that searching for a processor that doesn't give off as

much heat, and/or a " cooler-running " computer, would be a step (or a leap?) in

the right direction.

~Svetaswan

P.S. - even when my laptop's cooling fans don't get louder/kick into a high

gear, I often notice feeling worse whenever I'm, say, watching YouTube vids or

listening to streaming audio.

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Yeah I was really surprised to find the atom processors were so bad. Theres was

another big computer thread recently where a guy went out and bought an eee PC

and returned it because he found it to be just as bad as his old laptop he was

replacing , so Im not the only one.

I was actually suggesting you check out the used market like on ebay or

craigslist I remember seeing some older versions for less than 700, you can

probably resell them on ebay and recover most of your costs if you dont like it.

Out of everything I tried I kept my Aluminum macbook pro, thats not to say that

it was good it still made me feel just horrible , but it was " a little " better

than the other ones I tried.

I also noticed I felt a little better when the computer wasnt as hot, but

keeping a computer cool isnt the end all to felling bad from a computer IMO.

Theres some programs that will help keep your computer cool, on macs its called

coolbook it basically reduces the processor voltage, for Windows you will have

to do some research but I know theres programs out there that will keep your

computer from getting hot.

-Cris

March 8, 2010

Puk and Svetaswan,

I'm not sure the warmth has an impact on the ES-symptoms. What is definitely

important for ES-ers is:

-Humidity: the more the better (also read Dr. Dietrich GrÃ¼n's experiments on

water as the best isolation for the harmful longitudinal waves; that's probably

why I feel better when it rains)

-Negative ions (or fresh air!): the more the better

If I put on my heating in my room it gets warmer but the air also gets a lot

dryer and with less negative ions... So it may not be the temperature but the

influence of the humidity and negative ions on the ES-symptoms...

And (concerning Puk's reaction) of course outside there are definitely more

negative ions than inside...

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From: paulpjc@... <paulpjc@...>

Subject: Re: Re: Computers and Laptops: whats the solution?

Date: Sunday, March 7, 2010, 9:46 AM

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In a message dated 07/03/2010 09:07:49 GMT Standard Time,

svetaswan (DOT) com writes:

have generally noticed that my symptoms don't seem as severe when the

ambient temperature is cooler - meaning, that the cooler the room is, the

" milder " my symptoms seem to be.

PUK replies - This is an interesting observation, I have noticed this in

the past when using the laptop outdoors, maybe the lower temps have some

effect on metabolism and somehow slow down/suppress the cascade of ES

reactions ? Certainly there are many reports on humans who have suffered

horrendous injuries but due to cold temperatures they have survived long enough

to

get appropriate treatment.

March 8, 2010

> And (concerning Puk's reaction) of course outside there are definitely

> more negative ions than inside...

Unless you are using a negative ion generator... although I

find that most of these make my skin feel all " prickly " (I guess

" pins and needles " is a common term for this). The less powerful

ozone generators seem to generate a tolerable amount of negative

ions, though.

Marc

March 8, 2010

Yes, about the ozone generator, I had one for testing. I didn't like (or

couldn't stand) the slight smell of paint in our warehouse (it was painted the

year before)...

With the ozone generator working, it did remove the smell of the paint, but it

did give me (and my mother) an immediate headache! It's probably quite toxic,

wouldn't advise it to anybody...

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From: Marc <marc@...>

Subject: Re: Re: Computers and Laptops: whats the solution?

Date: Monday, March 8, 2010, 8:01 PM

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> And (concerning Puk's reaction) of course outside there are definitely

> more negative ions than inside...

Unless you are using a negative ion generator... although I

find that most of these make my skin feel all " prickly " (I guess

" pins and needles " is a common term for this). The less powerful

ozone generators seem to generate a tolerable amount of negative

ions, though.

Marc

March 8, 2010

I think it depends on the method that the ozone is produced -- I don't

think ozone is toxic by itself (despite what many claim), but some of

the generators have toxic byproducts (e.g. nitric oxide). Also, most of

these generators produce far too much ozone for small enclosed spaces.

When it comes to paint, better (for me) to smell ozone than paint...

Marc

On Mon, 8 Mar 2010 13:44:51 -0800 (PST), " Vandevijvere "

<@...> said:

> Yes, about the ozone generator, I had one for testing. I didn't like

> (or couldn't stand) the slight smell of paint in our warehouse (it was

> painted the year before)...

>

> With the ozone generator working, it did remove the smell of the

> paint, but it did give me (and my mother) an immediate headache! It's

> probably quite toxic, wouldn't advise it to anybody...

March 8, 2010

In a message dated 08/03/2010 16:25:03 GMT Standard Time,

@... writes:

Humidity: the more the better (also read Dr. Dietrich Grün's experiments

on water as the best isolation for the harmful longitudinal waves; that's

probably why I feel better when it rains)

I feel worse when it rains ?!

March 8, 2010

I think that a misunderstanding is here.

Ozone generators are hardly to find.

Negative ion generators are most common.

The may produce a very small amount of ozone.

But a lot may emit a large quantity of VLF.

And it is this *dirty air*, that may give your adverse reactions.

Greetings,

Claessens

member Verband Baubiologie