Re: Computers and Laptops: whats the solution?

[Guest guest]

Hi Ace,

I've had an Asrock Ion 330HT Nettop for the last month, and I'm doing very

well with it. It's the size of a lunchbox and can easily be hidden/stored

away from you.

Here's an update on my Asrock Ion 330 HT. I have the 4GB memory upgrade.

A few days in the PC is turning out to be a great purchase, EMF and dirty

electricity readings have kept very low.

The magnetic readings come out of at 1.5ish on the 0-3 magnetic range on a

Trifield meter. Nothing coming out of radio or electric ranges. I decided

to turn the Wi-fi off.

The dirty electricity readings on the stetzer monitor come out no higher

than the base of the house. I've tried this by comparing the reading I have

with all my sockets turned off, bar the one in use for the meter, and

compared this against the one socket in use for the PC.

It's a great little PC, not only for normal PC use but also for reducing EMF

exposures.

Regards

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of

acekingsuited06

Sent: 15 February 2010 04:42

Subject: Computers and Laptops: whats the solution?

I'm EMF sensitive, strongly to wi-fi signals as well as newer computers.

Luckily I have an old monitor that is very low EMF, so no problem. But I

need a new computer soon, and I dont know what to do.

There arent very clear ways to shield computers, other then just " stay far

away from them as possible " . Is there just something simple I can do to

prevent my computer from harming me with EMF? One website even suggested a

cactus, is this ridiculous advice?

I am considering a laptop as well, only because Im thinking it might be

easier to shield it. Of course, I would need a way to disable the wi-fi. I

believe simply turning off the wifi card doesnt solve the problem, am I

right?

I need help to have a EMF safe computer or laptop, please give your advise!

Thanks,

Ace

[Guest guest]

Hi - thanks for the update. May I ask what type of monitor you are using

with the Asrock Ion Nettop?

As good as this desktop, or nettop sounds, I'm afraid that it just won't be very

practical for me go the desktop route (even very small ones would pose a

problem). Just one of the reasons: I need something portable that I can hook

up to a printer in the basement - I need to bring the computer to the printer,

because I won't be able to bring the printer to the computer. (This nettop

seems pretty portable, but I would need a monitor to be able to use the

printer.) And there are other drawbacks to having a desktop set-up in my bedroom

that may/would be hard to live with.

~Svetaswan

>

> Hi Ace,

>

>

>

> I've had an Asrock Ion 330HT Nettop for the last month, and I'm doing very

> well with it. It's the size of a lunchbox and can easily be hidden/stored

> away from you.

>

>

>

> Here's an update on my Asrock Ion 330 HT. I have the 4GB memory upgrade.

>

>

>

> A few days in the PC is turning out to be a great purchase, EMF and dirty

> electricity readings have kept very low.

>

>

>

> The magnetic readings come out of at 1.5ish on the 0-3 magnetic range on a

> Trifield meter. Nothing coming out of radio or electric ranges. I decided

> to turn the Wi-fi off.

>

>

>

> The dirty electricity readings on the stetzer monitor come out no higher

> than the base of the house. I've tried this by comparing the reading I have

> with all my sockets turned off, bar the one in use for the meter, and

> compared this against the one socket in use for the PC.

>

>

>

> It's a great little PC, not only for normal PC use but also for reducing EMF

> exposures.

>

>

>

> Regards

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Ace - I'm in a very similar boat...I've been suffering from symptoms from my

laptop/Wi-Fi and I'm in the market for a computer (laptop) that may be more

tolerable...so I'll be interested in all responses to your inquiry.

I've come across the cactus suggestion too - from more than one source. The

idea may not be all that ridiculous - although this doesn't account for how

ridiculous you might *feel* for surrounding your computer with cactus/cacti,

lol. I haven't tried the cactus-method myself, but it has been my experience

that putting things on or near my computer to try to make it more tolerable only

has a limited and/or temporary effect. (The things I've tried may have only had

a placebo effect.) Granted, I've only tried a couple of " devices " , so there

might be something out there (Q-Link Pendant?) that I haven't tried that has a

long-term, consistent effect.

~Svetaswan

>

> I'm EMF sensitive, strongly to wi-fi signals as well as newer computers.

Luckily I have an old monitor that is very low EMF, so no problem. But I need a

new computer soon, and I dont know what to do.

>

> There arent very clear ways to shield computers, other then just " stay far

away from them as possible " . Is there just something simple I can do to prevent

my computer from harming me with EMF? One website even suggested a cactus, is

this ridiculous advice?

>

> I am considering a laptop as well, only because Im thinking it might be easier

to shield it. Of course, I would need a way to disable the wi-fi. I believe

simply turning off the wifi card doesnt solve the problem, am I right?

>

> I need help to have a EMF safe computer or laptop, please give your advise!

>

> Thanks,

> Ace

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Ace,

I also prefer a laptop for practicality, but the only one I can stand is a

4.5-year-old Acer... in the meantime I've bought another one second hand (not

easy to find!) just to have one once this one crashes!

I've tried 5 different new laptops 2 years ago: IBM, hp, Apple,... and they all

got me sick (even without typing on them and with Wi-fi disabled).

I think laptops somehow emit more harmful EMF for me...

I seem to have less problems with desktops. Maybe it's because a laptop is

closer to the body but I'm not sure that's the reason why...

If you would find a laptop you can bear it is advisable to hook up a portable

keyboard, otherwise you receive a lot of EMF just by typing.

Maybe if there are people you know that have laptops you can test them first? I

asked in the computer shop if I could test some different laptops for 20

minutes/laptop in my car...

Good luck, in the meantime I'll have a cactus up for a test

Best regards,

.

> >

> > I'm EMF sensitive, strongly to wi-fi signals as well as newer computers.

Luckily I have an old monitor that is very low EMF, so no problem. But I need a

new computer soon, and I dont know what to do.

> >

> > There arent very clear ways to shield computers, other then just " stay far

away from them as possible " . Is there just something simple I can do to prevent

my computer from harming me with EMF? One website even suggested a cactus, is

this ridiculous advice?

> >

> > I am considering a laptop as well, only because Im thinking it might be

easier to shield it. Of course, I would need a way to disable the wi-fi. I

believe simply turning off the wifi card doesnt solve the problem, am I right?

> >

> > I need help to have a EMF safe computer or laptop, please give your advise!

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Ace

> >

>

[Guest guest]

> I've come across the cactus suggestion too - from more than one source.

> The idea may not be all that ridiculous - although this doesn't account

> for how ridiculous you might *feel* for surrounding your computer with

> cactus/cacti, lol.

Many years ago I *did* try surrounding my PC with plants, acting on the

suggestion that this might help.

It didn't. Not at all.

Marc

[Guest guest]

Hi Again,

I actually own a standard LCD monitor - 20.4 inch from a UK firm named DABS.

I have the WDS product Computer Clear on my PC. This helps neutralise EMFs

coming out of monitor and PC. WDS are a company who work on making products

from Bio Resonance technology. I'm very happy with their products, and I

can personally recommend them. Here's a link to them, if you want to

investigate:

http://www.wds-global.com/

In terms of protable net-tops, you could always look at the Fit PC? It's

another low energy PC, but it also seems that you can buy a mini 7 " display

for it? I don't have any personal experience of this product though.

http://fit-pc.co.uk/order-now.html#FitPC2_ACCESSORIES

Regards

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of

svetaswan

Sent: 15 February 2010 11:30

Subject: Re: Computers and Laptops: whats the solution?

Hi - thanks for the update. May I ask what type of monitor you are

using with the Asrock Ion Nettop?

As good as this desktop, or nettop sounds, I'm afraid that it just won't be

very practical for me go the desktop route (even very small ones would pose

a problem). Just one of the reasons: I need something portable that I can

hook up to a printer in the basement - I need to bring the computer to the

printer, because I won't be able to bring the printer to the computer. (This

nettop seems pretty portable, but I would need a monitor to be able to use

the printer.) And there are other drawbacks to having a desktop set-up in my

bedroom that may/would be hard to live with.

~Svetaswan

>

> Hi Ace,

>

>

>

> I've had an Asrock Ion 330HT Nettop for the last month, and I'm doing very

> well with it. It's the size of a lunchbox and can easily be hidden/stored

> away from you.

>

>

>

> Here's an update on my Asrock Ion 330 HT. I have the 4GB memory upgrade.

>

>

>

> A few days in the PC is turning out to be a great purchase, EMF and dirty

> electricity readings have kept very low.

>

>

>

> The magnetic readings come out of at 1.5ish on the 0-3 magnetic range on a

> Trifield meter. Nothing coming out of radio or electric ranges. I decided

> to turn the Wi-fi off.

>

>

>

> The dirty electricity readings on the stetzer monitor come out no higher

> than the base of the house. I've tried this by comparing the reading I

have

> with all my sockets turned off, bar the one in use for the meter, and

> compared this against the one socket in use for the PC.

>

>

>

> It's a great little PC, not only for normal PC use but also for reducing

EMF

> exposures.

>

>

>

> Regards

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

In addition to the EMF there is flame retardant in these as well as other toxic

chemicals in the components themselves. All can add to the EMF reaction. Loni

From: <@...>

Subject: Re: Computers and Laptops: whats the solution?

Date: Monday, February 15, 2010, 8:04 AM

 

Hi Ace,

I also prefer a laptop for practicality, but the only one I can stand is a

4.5-year-old Acer... in the meantime I've bought another one second hand (not

easy to find!) just to have one once this one crashes!

I've tried 5 different new laptops 2 years ago: IBM, hp, Apple,... and they all

got me sick (even without typing on them and with Wi-fi disabled).

I think laptops somehow emit more harmful EMF for me...

I seem to have less problems with desktops. Maybe it's because a laptop is

closer to the body but I'm not sure that's the reason why...

If you would find a laptop you can bear it is advisable to hook up a portable

keyboard, otherwise you receive a lot of EMF just by typing.

Maybe if there are people you know that have laptops you can test them first? I

asked in the computer shop if I could test some different laptops for 20

minutes/laptop in my car...

Good luck, in the meantime I'll have a cactus up for a test

Best regards,

.

> >

> > I'm EMF sensitive, strongly to wi-fi signals as well as newer computers.

Luckily I have an old monitor that is very low EMF, so no problem. But I need a

new computer soon, and I dont know what to do.

> >

> > There arent very clear ways to shield computers, other then just " stay far

away from them as possible " . Is there just something simple I can do to prevent

my computer from harming me with EMF? One website even suggested a cactus, is

this ridiculous advice?

> >

> > I am considering a laptop as well, only because Im thinking it might be

easier to shield it. Of course, I would need a way to disable the wi-fi. I

believe simply turning off the wifi card doesnt solve the problem, am I right?

> >

> > I need help to have a EMF safe computer or laptop, please give your advise!

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Ace

> >

>

[Guest guest]

> In addition to the EMF there is flame retardant in these as well as other

> toxic chemicals in the components themselves. All can add to the EMF

> reaction.

Of course, reacting to flame retardants isn't an " EMF reaction " , although

it's probably hard for someone to tell the difference if they've got both

chemical sensitivities and electrical sensitivities.

Marc

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 15/02/2010 22:31:49 GMT Standard Time, loni326@...

writes:

Maybe if there are people you know that have laptops you can test them

first? I asked in the computer shop if I could test some different laptops for

20 minutes/laptop in my car...

Good luck, in the meantime I'll have a cactus up for a test

Best regards,

.

PUK replies - I know someone who has a laptop that he left to out gas for

ages and it may evan be sheilded to some degree. Do you want his contact

details as he was selling it recently

[Guest guest]

When I first started looking for a solution for my e-sens to computers, I put

like 6 cacti around my monitor but there was really no difference maybe a small

difference but it was hard to tell , the reason maybe you felt better after

watering them was that water emits negative ions into the air while monitors and

electronics emit positive ions ( which are not good for you). Ive tried many

laptops and a few netbooks and a mac mini, some where a bit better than others,

but they all made me feel really bad, I ended up keeping an aluminum macbook pro

which was slightly better than the others.

My current setup basically consists of my macbook pro connected to a projector

using a DVI fiber optic cable. My mouse and keyboard are connected to the

computer using a USB fiber optic cable, and everything is connected to a tripp

lite isobar surge protector, I can say Im pretty much symptom free now I dont

get any symptoms now, only if Im on like the whole day at the end of the day I

get some very minor symptoms.I use to start getting face burn and rashes within

5 minutes when I use to use my macbook pro alone.

-Cristian

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the info, on this topic, I am taking this all on board. Can I ask

everyone what you all do for a living? Right now I work in admin and am in front

of a computer all day and no-one is listening to my concerns so I can't stay

here much longer. I am the only peson in the ofice whose filing is bang up to

date because I get up and do it every day so I can get away from my desk. I need

a career that is not computer based but as you can imagine its hard because most

industries are computer reliant. I am thinking of going into primary school

teaching because that would mean less time in front of a computer, I have some

teaching experience, I love working with children and I think I would be a good

teacher. I have doubts about teaching in a secondary/ high school because of all

the wi- fi and mobile phones which don't really affect me now, but they

might do  later down the line. :-( What does everyone else do for a living

and how do you manage?

Diane

 

________________________________

From: cris_aov <cris_aov@...>

Sent: Wed, 17 February, 2010 7:54:09

Subject: Re: Computers and Laptops: whats the solution?

 

When I first started looking for a solution for my e-sens to computers, I put

like 6 cacti around my monitor but there was really no difference maybe a small

difference but it was hard to tell , the reason maybe you felt better after

watering them was that water emits negative ions into the air while monitors and

electronics emit positive ions ( which are not good for you). Ive tried many

laptops and a few netbooks and a mac mini, some where a bit better than others,

but they all made me feel really bad, I ended up keeping an aluminum macbook pro

which was slightly better than the others.

My current setup basically consists of my macbook pro connected to a projector

using a DVI fiber optic cable. My mouse and keyboard are connected to the

computer using a USB fiber optic cable, and everything is connected to a tripp

lite isobar surge protector, I can say Im pretty much symptom free now I dont

get any symptoms now, only if Im on like the whole day at the end of the day I

get some very minor symptoms.I use to start getting face burn and rashes within

5 minutes when I use to use my macbook pro alone.

-Cristian

[Guest guest]

Most printers now can print from a thumb drive or

memory stick, so you don't need the whole computer.

Does the Asrock have an external power supply?

If so, how many volts?

Bill

On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 4:29 AM, svetaswan <svetaswan@...> wrote:

>

>

>

>

> Hi - thanks for the update. May I ask what type of monitor you are

> using with the Asrock Ion Nettop?

>

> As good as this desktop, or nettop sounds, I'm afraid that it just won't be

> very practical for me go the desktop route (even very small ones would pose

> a problem). Just one of the reasons: I need something portable that I can

> hook up to a printer in the basement - I need to bring the computer to the

> printer, because I won't be able to bring the printer to the computer. (This

> nettop seems pretty portable, but I would need a monitor to be able to use

> the printer.) And there are other drawbacks to having a desktop set-up in my

> bedroom that may/would be hard to live with.

>

> ~Svetaswan

>

>

>

> >

> > Hi Ace,

> >

> >

> >

> > I've had an Asrock Ion 330HT Nettop for the last month, and I'm doing

> very

> > well with it. It's the size of a lunchbox and can easily be hidden/stored

> > away from you.

> >

> >

> >

> > Here's an update on my Asrock Ion 330 HT. I have the 4GB memory upgrade.

> >

> >

> >

> > A few days in the PC is turning out to be a great purchase, EMF and dirty

> > electricity readings have kept very low.

> >

> >

> >

> > The magnetic readings come out of at 1.5ish on the 0-3 magnetic range on

> a

> > Trifield meter. Nothing coming out of radio or electric ranges. I decided

> > to turn the Wi-fi off.

> >

> >

> >

> > The dirty electricity readings on the stetzer monitor come out no higher

> > than the base of the house. I've tried this by comparing the reading I

> have

> > with all my sockets turned off, bar the one in use for the meter, and

> > compared this against the one socket in use for the PC.

> >

> >

> >

> > It's a great little PC, not only for normal PC use but also for reducing

> EMF

> > exposures.

> >

> >

> >

> > Regards

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Bill,

The Asrock does have an external power supply. It's a 19v adaptor.

Regards

Re: Re: Computers and Laptops: whats the solution?

Most printers now can print from a thumb drive or

memory stick, so you don't need the whole computer.

Does the Asrock have an external power supply?

If so, how many volts?

Bill

On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 4:29 AM, svetaswan <svetaswan@...> wrote:

>

>

>

>

> Hi - thanks for the update. May I ask what type of monitor you are

> using with the Asrock Ion Nettop?

>

> As good as this desktop, or nettop sounds, I'm afraid that it just won't

be

> very practical for me go the desktop route (even very small ones would

pose

> a problem). Just one of the reasons: I need something portable that I can

> hook up to a printer in the basement - I need to bring the computer to the

> printer, because I won't be able to bring the printer to the computer.

(This

> nettop seems pretty portable, but I would need a monitor to be able to use

> the printer.) And there are other drawbacks to having a desktop set-up in

my

> bedroom that may/would be hard to live with.

>

> ~Svetaswan

>

>

>

> >

> > Hi Ace,

> >

> >

> >

> > I've had an Asrock Ion 330HT Nettop for the last month, and I'm doing

> very

> > well with it. It's the size of a lunchbox and can easily be

hidden/stored

> > away from you.

> >

> >

> >

> > Here's an update on my Asrock Ion 330 HT. I have the 4GB memory upgrade.

> >

> >

> >

> > A few days in the PC is turning out to be a great purchase, EMF and

dirty

> > electricity readings have kept very low.

> >

> >

> >

> > The magnetic readings come out of at 1.5ish on the 0-3 magnetic range on

> a

> > Trifield meter. Nothing coming out of radio or electric ranges. I

decided

> > to turn the Wi-fi off.

> >

> >

> >

> > The dirty electricity readings on the stetzer monitor come out no higher

> > than the base of the house. I've tried this by comparing the reading I

> have

> > with all my sockets turned off, bar the one in use for the meter, and

> > compared this against the one socket in use for the PC.

> >

> >

> >

> > It's a great little PC, not only for normal PC use but also for reducing

> EMF

> > exposures.

> >

> >

> >

> > Regards

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Diane,

Yes it is frustrating if you have to work all day on a computer that radiates

you...

Me, I have a small business (no employees only seasonal) in Belgium/Europe

that's focused on business gifts (chocolates+wines) and export of chocolates to

US & Japan.

My work involves also like 8 hours/day work on a pc.

I can manage the pc-problems because with my 4.5 year old Acer laptop I have not

too much problems. I do have problems with more modern laptops. I have less

problems with desktops but I kinda need a laptop, that way I can work partially

from home as well.

Lately I've gotten a lot more sensitive to cars, so for my job that's much more

of a problem right now...

Teaching might be a good idea for you, I think/guess that the Wifi and mobile

phone radiation will be less of a problem than working in front of a pc you

can't bear... but probably you'll only know for sure once you try it...

good luck,

.

>

> Thanks for the info, on this topic, I am taking this all on board. Can I ask

everyone what you all do for a living? Right now I work in admin and am in front

of a computer all day and no-one is listening to my concerns so I can't stay

here much longer. I am the only peson in the ofice whose filing is bang up to

date because I get up and do it every day so I can get away from my desk. I need

a career that is not computer based but as you can imagine its hard because most

industries are computer reliant. I am thinking of going into primary school

teaching because that would mean less time in front of a computer, I have some

teaching experience, I love working with children and I think I would be a good

teacher. I have doubts about teaching in a secondary/ high school because of all

the wi- fi and mobile phones which don't really affect me now, but they

might do  later down the line. :-( What does everyone else do for a living

and how do you manage?

>

> Diane

>

>

>  

>

> ________________________________

> From: cris_aov <cris_aov@...>

>

> Sent: Wed, 17 February, 2010 7:54:09

> Subject: Re: Computers and Laptops: whats the solution?

>

>  

> When I first started looking for a solution for my e-sens to computers, I put

like 6 cacti around my monitor but there was really no difference maybe a small

difference but it was hard to tell , the reason maybe you felt better after

watering them was that water emits negative ions into the air while monitors and

electronics emit positive ions ( which are not good for you). Ive tried many

laptops and a few netbooks and a mac mini, some where a bit better than others,

but they all made me feel really bad, I ended up keeping an aluminum macbook pro

which was slightly better than the others.

>

> My current setup basically consists of my macbook pro connected to a projector

using a DVI fiber optic cable. My mouse and keyboard are connected to the

computer using a USB fiber optic cable, and everything is connected to a tripp

lite isobar surge protector, I can say Im pretty much symptom free now I dont

get any symptoms now, only if Im on like the whole day at the end of the day I

get some very minor symptoms.I use to start getting face burn and rashes within

5 minutes when I use to use my macbook pro alone.

>

> -Cristian

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 19/02/2010 06:10:12 GMT Standard Time, acekingsuited06

@ writes:

I need a career that is not

computer based but as you can imagine its hard because most industries

are computer reliant. I am thinking of going into primary school

teaching because that would mean less time in front of a computer, I

have some teaching experience, I love working with children and I think

I would be a good teacher. I have doubts about teaching in a secondary/

high school because of all the wi- fi and mobile phones which don't

really affect me now, but they might do later down the line. :-(

What does everyone else do for a living and how do you manage?

PUK replies I have gome through the same predicament as you, I have a BSc

Honours degree in Building Surveying and 20yrs experience, but I am now

floundering, I have consideredthe Police force (no due to Tetra radios)

Perhaps a doctor ( I would make a great one, but no due to modern tech in

hospitals and pcs) a Teacher, well thats possible but just like you I keep on

stalling - I have not worked for well over a year and was struggling for 5 or

more due to ES in office environments, I am now signed off as ES by my GP

and get a state benefit of £64.50 per week as opposed to the £600 I used to

earn. All other non skilled work is just around the minimum wage of £5.50

per hour so thats a stumbling block to start to slave away at something that

has no future, gardening and outside work is a possibility and a little

better pay, but again its very hand to mouth. I need to make a decision

soon, perhaps if you are interested in teaching then you should go for it, you

could always find a scholl later on that is lowish tech to get your foot in

the door, for me Physical education teaching and Biology might be an

option, the PE is good due to outdoors etc.. The only thing you must master is

not to broadcast the fact that you are ES to much, in relation to work,

dont expect altruistic traetment you wont get it, you will just be

marginalised, there are to many other viable candidates that can fill your

shoes.

p

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 19/02/2010 06:10:12 GMT Standard Time,

acekingsuited06@... writes:

I can manage the pc-problems because with my 4.5 year old Acer laptop I

have not too much problems.

PUK replies - check out EBAY or boot sales for old laptops, also try using

the laptop at a distance by loading up a trail version of AI squared

ZOOMTEXT, so that you can easily see the graphics from a distance, bring a

keyboard and mouse on extension cables from the laptop.

[Guest guest]

What makes the Acer tolerable?  Did you remove or shut down the wi-fi card?

I heard that HP agreed to make " greener " computers that dont use toxic chemicals

and substances... has anyone heard about this?

From: <@...>

Subject: Re: Computers and Laptops: whats the solution?

Date: Thursday, February 18, 2010, 8:15 PM

 

Hi Diane,

Yes it is frustrating if you have to work all day on a computer that radiates

you...

Me, I have a small business (no employees only seasonal) in

Belgium/Europe that's focused on business gifts (chocolates+ wines) and

export of chocolates to US & Japan.

My work involves also like 8 hours/day work on a pc.

I can manage the pc-problems because with my 4.5 year old Acer laptop I

have not too much problems. I do have problems with more modern

laptops. I have less problems with desktops but I kinda need a laptop,

that way I can work partially from home as well.

Lately I've gotten a lot more sensitive to cars, so for my job that's much more

of a problem right now...

Teaching might be a good idea for you, I think/guess that the Wifi and

mobile phone radiation will be less of a problem than working in front

of a pc you can't bear... but probably you'll only know for sure once

you try it...

good luck,

.

>

> Thanks for the info, on this topic, I am taking this all on board.

Can I ask everyone what you all do for a living? Right now I work in

admin and am in front of a computer all day and no-one is listening to

my concerns so I can't stay here much longer. I am the only peson in

the ofice whose filing is bang up to date because I get up and do it

every day so I can get away from my desk. I need a career that is not

computer based but as you can imagine its hard because most industries

are computer reliant. I am thinking of going into primary school

teaching because that would mean less time in front of a computer, I

have some teaching experience, I love working with children and I think

I would be a good teacher. I have doubts about teaching in a secondary/

high school because of all the wi- fi and mobile phones which don't

really affect me now, but they might do later down the line. :-(

What does everyone else do for a living and how do you manage?

>

> Diane

>

>

> Â

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> From: cris_aov <cris_aov@.. .>

> groups (DOT) com

> Sent: Wed, 17 February, 2010 7:54:09

> Subject: Re: Computers and Laptops: whats the solution?

>

> Â

> When I first started looking for a solution for my e-sens to

computers, I put like 6 cacti around my monitor but there was really no

difference maybe a small difference but it was hard to tell , the

reason maybe you felt better after watering them was that water emits

negative ions into the air while monitors and electronics emit positive

ions ( which are not good for you). Ive tried many laptops and a few

netbooks and a mac mini, some where a bit better than others, but they

all made me feel really bad, I ended up keeping an aluminum macbook pro

which was slightly better than the others.

>

> My current setup basically consists of my macbook pro connected to

a projector using a DVI fiber optic cable. My mouse and keyboard are

connected to the computer using a USB fiber optic cable, and everything

is connected to a tripp lite isobar surge protector, I can say Im

pretty much symptom free now I dont get any symptoms now, only if Im on

like the whole day at the end of the day I get some very minor

symptoms.I use to start getting face burn and rashes within 5 minutes

when I use to use my macbook pro alone.

>

> -Cristian

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

No idea why I can bear the old Acer laptop... Probably I can bear other laptops

that are 5 years old...

I think it should be one of these 4 that's bothering me with new laptops:

1. The processor/motherboard

The new laptops all use the same Intel-processors (also Apple) which are much

faster and probably emit other/higher frequencies... but I (think) I can stand

new destkops (which use the same processors I suppose?), so that doesn't make

sense...

2. Harddrive

It could also be the EMF from the harddrive but I don't think so, I have a

recent external drive and I can stand that...

3. Wifi card

There is no Wifi card on the old Acer, which is just great!

But whilst testing recent models I did put off the Wifi so... I had an external

Wifi card on the Acer and felt no difference (although I could measure the

difference).

4. 3G card

For a short period I had a 3G-card from somebody else (for surfing on the

cellphone-masts; this is for Europe) and that did got me really sick, but on the

laptops I tested 2 years ago there was no 3G-card for standard...

So it's not easy to tell why... Probably it's different for everybody...

.

>

> >

>

> > Thanks for the info, on this topic, I am taking this all on board.

> Can I ask everyone what you all do for a living? Right now I work in

> admin and am in front of a computer all day and no-one is listening to

> my concerns so I can't stay here much longer. I am the only peson in

> the ofice whose filing is bang up to date because I get up and do it

> every day so I can get away from my desk. I need a career that is not

> computer based but as you can imagine its hard because most industries

> are computer reliant. I am thinking of going into primary school

> teaching because that would mean less time in front of a computer, I

> have some teaching experience, I love working with children and I think

> I would be a good teacher. I have doubts about teaching in a secondary/

> high school because of all the wi- fi and mobile phones which don't

> really affect me now, but they might do later down the line. :-(

> What does everyone else do for a living and how do you manage?

>

> >

>

> > Diane

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > Â

>

> >

>

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

>

> > From: cris_aov <cris_aov@ .>

>

> > groups (DOT) com

>

> > Sent: Wed, 17 February, 2010 7:54:09

>

> > Subject: Re: Computers and Laptops: whats the solution?

>

> >

>

> > Â

>

> > When I first started looking for a solution for my e-sens to

> computers, I put like 6 cacti around my monitor but there was really no

> difference maybe a small difference but it was hard to tell , the

> reason maybe you felt better after watering them was that water emits

> negative ions into the air while monitors and electronics emit positive

> ions ( which are not good for you). Ive tried many laptops and a few

> netbooks and a mac mini, some where a bit better than others, but they

> all made me feel really bad, I ended up keeping an aluminum macbook pro

> which was slightly better than the others.

>

> >

>

> > My current setup basically consists of my macbook pro connected to

> a projector using a DVI fiber optic cable. My mouse and keyboard are

> connected to the computer using a USB fiber optic cable, and everything

> is connected to a tripp lite isobar surge protector, I can say Im

> pretty much symptom free now I dont get any symptoms now, only if Im on

> like the whole day at the end of the day I get some very minor

> symptoms.I use to start getting face burn and rashes within 5 minutes

> when I use to use my macbook pro alone.

>

> >

>

> > -Cristian

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

[Guest guest]

> No idea why I can bear the old Acer laptop... Probably I can bear other

> laptops that are 5 years old...

It's also possible that it has nothing to do with the vintage of the

laptop. I know that we once had a Dell laptop made around 1998 that

was utterly intolerable to me, yet a 2006 IBM laptop was pretty good...

Marc

[Guest guest]

> What does everyone else do for a living and how do you manage?

Heh, heh... I develop software... how's that for one of the worst

possible jobs for someone with ES?

I manage by taking lots of supplements and using a few select

EMF protection devices, plus trying to keep things as far away

from me as possible without attracting attention from co-workers. :-)

Marc

[Guest guest]

Wow Marc, You are Brave!

From: Marc <marc@...>

Subject: Re: Re: Computers and Laptops: whats the solution?

Date: Friday, February 19, 2010, 12:53 PM

 

> What does everyone else do for a living and how do you manage?

Heh, heh... I develop software... how's that for one of the worst

possible jobs for someone with ES?

I manage by taking lots of supplements and using a few select

EMF protection devices, plus trying to keep things as far away

from me as possible without attracting attention from co-workers. :-)

Marc

[Guest guest]

Hi Diane!

 

Sorry you are struggling. Yes computer is hard to get away from. Teaching could

possibly be a good solution but you know there is usually lots of wireless in a

school. Maybe not as much in elementary grades. Loni

 

From: Diane Dennis <dp_dennis@...>

Subject: Re: Re: Computers and Laptops: whats the solution?

Date: Wednesday, February 17, 2010, 2:38 AM

 

Thanks for the info, on this topic, I am taking this all on board. Can I ask

everyone what you all do for a living? Right now I work in admin and am in front

of a computer all day and no-one is listening to my concerns so I can't stay

here much longer. I am the only peson in the ofice whose filing is bang up to

date because I get up and do it every day so I can get away from my desk. I need

a career that is not computer based but as you can imagine its hard because most

industries are computer reliant. I am thinking of going into primary school

teaching because that would mean less time in front of a computer, I have some

teaching experience, I love working with children and I think I would be a good

teacher. I have doubts about teaching in a secondary/ high school because of all

the wi- fi and mobile phones which don't really affect me now, but they

might do  later down the line. :-( What does everyone else do for a living

and how do you manage?

Diane

 

____________ _________ _________ __

From: cris_aov <cris_aov (DOT) com>

groups (DOT) com

Sent: Wed, 17 February, 2010 7:54:09

Subject: Re: Computers and Laptops: whats the solution?

 

When I first started looking for a solution for my e-sens to computers, I put

like 6 cacti around my monitor but there was really no difference maybe a small

difference but it was hard to tell , the reason maybe you felt better after

watering them was that water emits negative ions into the air while monitors and

electronics emit positive ions ( which are not good for you). Ive tried many

laptops and a few netbooks and a mac mini, some where a bit better than others,

but they all made me feel really bad, I ended up keeping an aluminum macbook pro

which was slightly better than the others.

My current setup basically consists of my macbook pro connected to a projector

using a DVI fiber optic cable. My mouse and keyboard are connected to the

computer using a USB fiber optic cable, and everything is connected to a tripp

lite isobar surge protector, I can say Im pretty much symptom free now I dont

get any symptoms now, only if Im on like the whole day at the end of the day I

get some very minor symptoms.I use to start getting face burn and rashes within

5 minutes when I use to use my macbook pro alone.

-Cristian

[Guest guest]

VERY BRAVE!!

What supplements do you take? I read in one of your posts that your level of

sensitivity has decreased.

-Diane

________________________________

From: Loni <loni326@...>

Sent: Sat, 20 February, 2010 16:41:56

Subject: Re: Re: Computers and Laptops: whats the solution?

Wow Marc, You are Brave!

From: Marc <marcufoseries (DOT) com>

Subject: Re: Re: Computers and Laptops: whats the solution?

groups (DOT) com

Date: Friday, February 19, 2010, 12:53 PM

> What does everyone else do for a living and how do you manage?

Heh, heh... I develop software... how's that for one of the worst

possible jobs for someone with ES?

I manage by taking lots of supplements and using a few select

EMF protection devices, plus trying to keep things as far away

from me as possible without attracting attention from co-workers. :-)

Marc

[Guest guest]

> What supplements do you take? I read in one of your posts that your level

> of sensitivity has decreased.

I take a lot of supplements, and it varies from year to year, but they

are often low-potency, whole-food type supplements (as I tend to react

to the high potency, synthetic stuff). For reduction of ES symptoms, I

find several supplements quite helpful:

- H-Minus, by e3Live (antioxidant)

- Cellfood, by Lumina Health (antioxidant, minerals)

- Eleuthero, by Medi-Herb (siberian ginseng, good for radiation exposure)

- NDF, by BioRay (heavy metal detox)

- Echinacea Premium, by Medi-Herb (immune support, blood cleanser)

- Cholocol II, by Standard Process (bentonite clay absorbs gut toxins)

- Cataplex ACP, by Standard Process (whole food vitamin A and C, plus

bioflavenoids)

- Agrisept-L (immune support, fungus fighter)

I also use some adrenal support supplements to fight fatigue

(IsoCort, Dr. 's Adrenal Rebuilder).

Also, lately I've been experimenting with OSR and alpha lipoic acid

for heavy metal removal (which actually makes my ES worse while

taking these), and OKG, as my doctor thinks my liver is not properly

converting ammonia into urea (seemed helpful at first, but not

so sure now).

Also, skin lotion is helpful for " face burning " symptoms from

excessive computer use (e.g. Shikai Borage Oil skin lotion).

The most helpful skin thing I've found is USF ointment from

Standard Process, but that stuff stinks (fragrance?) and makes

my skin look greasy.

Marc

[Guest guest]

What do you think of the Adrenal Rebuilder?  Loni

From: Marc <marc@...>

Subject: Re: Re: Computers and Laptops: whats the solution?

Date: Saturday, February 20, 2010, 4:55 PM

 

> What supplements do you take? I read in one of your posts that your level

> of sensitivity has decreased.

I take a lot of supplements, and it varies from year to year, but they

are often low-potency, whole-food type supplements (as I tend to react

to the high potency, synthetic stuff). For reduction of ES symptoms, I

find several supplements quite helpful:

- H-Minus, by e3Live (antioxidant)

- Cellfood, by Lumina Health (antioxidant, minerals)

- Eleuthero, by Medi-Herb (siberian ginseng, good for radiation exposure)

- NDF, by BioRay (heavy metal detox)

- Echinacea Premium, by Medi-Herb (immune support, blood cleanser)

- Cholocol II, by Standard Process (bentonite clay absorbs gut toxins)

- Cataplex ACP, by Standard Process (whole food vitamin A and C, plus

bioflavenoids)

- Agrisept-L (immune support, fungus fighter)

I also use some adrenal support supplements to fight fatigue

(IsoCort, Dr. 's Adrenal Rebuilder).

Also, lately I've been experimenting with OSR and alpha lipoic acid

for heavy metal removal (which actually makes my ES worse while

taking these), and OKG, as my doctor thinks my liver is not properly

converting ammonia into urea (seemed helpful at first, but not

so sure now).

Also, skin lotion is helpful for " face burning " symptoms from

excessive computer use (e.g. Shikai Borage Oil skin lotion).

The most helpful skin thing I've found is USF ointment from

Standard Process, but that stuff stinks (fragrance?) and makes

my skin look greasy.

Marc