Re: MCS = adrenal fatigue?

[Guest guest]

Hi Ian and everyone,

I haven't been a member of this group for very long - for this reason and

because of my severe problems with " brain fog " , I haven't had a chance to read

many of the older messages. So excuse me if this is a repeat question or a

" regurgitation " of things that have been much-discussed.

But there have been several posts since I've been here that have mentioned MCS

and/or CFS, and how they are linked to electrosensitivity. Are people here of

the belief that MCS and CFS are caused by or related to a condition known as

" adrenal fatigue " ? The " experts " cite adrenal fatigue as a root cause of these

conditions - and, coincidentally (or not), I've had strong suspicions for at

least a few years now that I'm a long-time sufferer of adrenal fatigue. I've

taken a few saliva hormone tests and other tests to try to confirm this, with

mixed results (many of my results could be interpreted in a variety of ways -

this hormone issue, at least for me, has not been cut-and-dry). But mainly, I've

tried to pay attention to my symptoms as a possible indicator of adrenal fatigue

(you treat the patient, not lab results, right?).

The biggest/most troublesome symptom(s) I deal with are mental/emotional - such

as an utter inability to handle stress. Even the " simplest " things produce a

feeling of being " stressed out " - I seem to " decompensate " under the most

mundane of stressors. My mental symptoms are such that my " shot " adrenals may be

making too much adrenaline, and not enough cortisol (this problem may " start "

with mis-signaling in the region of the brain responsible for sending messages

to the adrenal glands). I've seen a few sources that claim that when your

adrenals are " tired " or " shot " , it may be unable to generate cortisol - and

" overproduce " arenaline instead. The brain senses that not enough cortisol is

being made - and continues to send out a hormone that signals for more cortisol

to be made. The tired adrenals respond by generating adrenaline, and the

vicious cycle continues.

At first I thought I didn't have much of a problem with MCS - but upon closer

inspection, I do have a couple of problems that may point to some form of MCS.

I seem to be quite sensitive to car exhaust fumes - I could be sitting in heavy

traffic with the windows up, and still get nauseous and " foggy brained " from car

exhaust fumes (I'm sensitive to these fumes in other ways, as well). Or I could

be in a drive-thru line at a fast-food restaurant, and when I roll down the

window to place my order - I have a hard time speaking because I'm " overcome " by

exhaust fumes. And I seem to be quite sensitive to the smell of bleach

(heavy-metal chelation " expert " Andy Cutler mentions this as a sign of MCS

and/or heavy-metal toxicity).

Anyway, I have occassionally been visting adrenal/thyroid/hormonal sites and

messageboards - so adrenal fatigue had been a concept that I'd been pretty

familiar with well-before my electrosensitivity " crisis " emerged. When I

discovered this place and other sites that discuss electrosensitivity, I didn't

expect to find discussions about MCS and (possibly) adrenal fatigue, but here I

find myself reading about the same things that I've been trying to educate

myself about for a few years now.

Sorry for rambling, but the point I'm trying to get at is that, in trying to

deal with this electrosensitivity crisis - I feel like I've come full-circle, in

a way. I find myself taken " back " to places that I started exploring a few years

ago - adrenal-fatigue, " sluggish liver " /detox problems, etc. Maybe I should

take this as further confirmation that I'm in the right ballpark in exploring my

possible adrenal problems - my electrosensitivity could be another symptom of

these problems.

~Svetaswan

>

> Hi Rixta,

>

> I would say that if you have had CFS for 16 years it is very likely that you

> could develop electrosensitivity, as they very often go together (likewise

> with multiple chemical sensitivity). And, as you say, you will probably be

> the only person in the environment who's sick.

>

> However there are different types of electromagnetic fields, and different

> people react to a different extent to each one - electric fields from wires

> in walls or high voltage lines outside, magnetic fields from relays/phone

> receivers etc, microwave radiation from masts outside or cordless and mobile

> phones inside, and EM frequencies from fluorescent and low energy lights.

> For microwave radiation, a simple and cheap meter, the Electrosmog Detector,

> gives an indication if there are any " hot spots " , but it may not be

> available in Oz. It does show however where localised shielding (e.g. with

> metallised gauze) would be particularly useful.

>

> Some basic suggestions which you can try to reduce the effects quickly:

> - Avoid cordless and mobile phones, switch off cordless phone base stations,

> use standard wired phones.

> - Switch off any wireless networks in the house, use wired connections and

> modems instead.

> - Try replacing fluorescent and low-energy bulbs by old-fashioned

> incandescent ones (if still available)

> - See if it's possible to switch the house electric power off at night.

>

> Certainly these can be inconvenient to you and your family, but they are

> worth trying. Lots of ES people find all these measures help significantly.

> It then makes the task of protection and shielding easier.

>

> Lots of similar information in the archives of this group, but that should

> get you started..

>

> Ian

>

> _____

>

> From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of

> Rixta Francis

> Sent: 06 February 2010 21:26

>

> Subject: simple, cheap and easy tips requested

>

>

>

>

> Hello everyone,

>

> I joined this group a few days ago, because you must start somewhere getting

> information and groups like this are usually very useful.

> Brief story: I have Chronic Fatigue Syndrome since 16 years and my condition

> was always stable, but since we moved into our new house four years ago my

> health slowly got worse. And since late 2008 I have developed pretty bad

> neurological problems that no doctor has an explanation for. So I started my

> own research and realized that the high voltage wires that are all around

> our house *could* be the cause of my problems. But I don't know that for

> sure.

>

> So to start with I would like some tips how to find out if it's really the

> electricity that makes me sick. I don't need a meter, for I'm sure the

> electromagnetic field here is high, but I'm the only person in the street

> that's sick. So I need tips how find out in a *simple*, *cheap* and *easy*

> way if protection from the electrical magnetism will make me feel better. I

> think about something I can wear around the house, or something to sleep

> under at night. I don't know anything about these things so far, so some

> details would be helpful.

> Unfortunately leaving the house for a possibly safer place for a few weeks

> is not an option.

>

> Thanks for your help!

>

> Regards,

> Rixta Francis in Australia

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Swetasan,

I have had adrenal fatigue since 2006, but getting better through different

protocols.

I dont know if the HPA axis does as you say with regards to adrenaline and

cortisol, I never saw that described anywhere, although I was told by Dr

that when cortisol gets too low during an adrenal crash, adrenaline will

try to take cortisol's place, bu I dont know the exact biochemistry around this.

To first check whether or not you have too high epinephrine=adrenaline and / or

norepinephrine=noradrenaline or imbalances of other brain chemicals such as the

primary neurotransmitters, have this checked with a urinary test:

https://www.neurorelief.com/index.php?option=com_content & task=category & sectionid\

=12 & id=40 & Itemid=46

Brainfog can be caused by so many things. bloodsugar, food allergies, liver

toxicity, deficiencies of nutrients etc etc etc. One important thing I believe

are related to EMF exposure and the genotoxic effects (which can make adrenal

fatigue worse) is DNA methylation.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0ISW/is_262/ai_n13675760/

http://edoc.unibas.ch/1026/

Ole

 

________________________________

From: svetaswan <svetaswan@...>

Sent: Tue, 9 February, 2010 5:45:23

Subject: Re: MCS = adrenal fatigue?

 

Hi Ian and everyone,

I haven't been a member of this group for very long - for this reason and

because of my severe problems with " brain fog " , I haven't had a chance to read

many of the older messages. So excuse me if this is a repeat question or a

" regurgitation " of things that have been much-discussed.

But there have been several posts since I've been here that have mentioned MCS

and/or CFS, and how they are linked to electrosensitivity. Are people here of

the belief that MCS and CFS are caused by or related to a condition known as

" adrenal fatigue " ? The " experts " cite adrenal fatigue as a root cause of these

conditions - and, coincidentally (or not), I've had strong suspicions for at

least a few years now that I'm a long-time sufferer of adrenal fatigue. I've

taken a few saliva hormone tests and other tests to try to confirm this, with

mixed results (many of my results could be interpreted in a variety of ways -

this hormone issue, at least for me, has not been cut-and-dry) . But mainly,

I've tried to pay attention to my symptoms as a possible indicator of adrenal

fatigue (you treat the patient, not lab results, right?).

The biggest/most troublesome symptom(s) I deal with are mental/emotional - such

as an utter inability to handle stress. Even the " simplest " things produce a

feeling of being " stressed out " - I seem to " decompensate " under the most

mundane of stressors. My mental symptoms are such that my " shot " adrenals may be

making too much adrenaline, and not enough cortisol (this problem may " start "

with mis-signaling in the region of the brain responsible for sending messages

to the adrenal glands). I've seen a few sources that claim that when your

adrenals are " tired " or " shot " , it may be unable to generate cortisol - and

" overproduce " arenaline instead. The brain senses that not enough cortisol is

being made - and continues to send out a hormone that signals for more cortisol

to be made. The tired adrenals respond by generating adrenaline, and the vicious

cycle continues.

At first I thought I didn't have much of a problem with MCS - but upon closer

inspection, I do have a couple of problems that may point to some form of MCS. I

seem to be quite sensitive to car exhaust fumes - I could be sitting in heavy

traffic with the windows up, and still get nauseous and " foggy brained " from car

exhaust fumes (I'm sensitive to these fumes in other ways, as well). Or I could

be in a drive-thru line at a fast-food restaurant, and when I roll down the

window to place my order - I have a hard time speaking because I'm " overcome " by

exhaust fumes. And I seem to be quite sensitive to the smell of bleach

(heavy-metal chelation " expert " Andy Cutler mentions this as a sign of MCS

and/or heavy-metal toxicity).

Anyway, I have occassionally been visting adrenal/thyroid/ hormonal sites and

messageboards - so adrenal fatigue had been a concept that I'd been pretty

familiar with well-before my electrosensitivity " crisis " emerged. When I

discovered this place and other sites that discuss electrosensitivity, I didn't

expect to find discussions about MCS and (possibly) adrenal fatigue, but here I

find myself reading about the same things that I've been trying to educate

myself about for a few years now.

Sorry for rambling, but the point I'm trying to get at is that, in trying to

deal with this electrosensitivity crisis - I feel like I've come full-circle, in

a way. I find myself taken " back " to places that I started exploring a few years

ago - adrenal-fatigue, " sluggish liver " /detox problems, etc. Maybe I should take

this as further confirmation that I'm in the right ballpark in exploring my

possible adrenal problems - my electrosensitivity could be another symptom of

these problems.

~Svetaswan

>

> Hi Rixta,

>

> I would say that if you have had CFS for 16 years it is very likely that you

> could develop electrosensitivity, as they very often go together (likewise

> with multiple chemical sensitivity) . And, as you say, you will probably be

> the only person in the environment who's sick.

>

> However there are different types of electromagnetic fields, and different

> people react to a different extent to each one - electric fields from wires

> in walls or high voltage lines outside, magnetic fields from relays/phone

> receivers etc, microwave radiation from masts outside or cordless and mobile

> phones inside, and EM frequencies from fluorescent and low energy lights.

> For microwave radiation, a simple and cheap meter, the Electrosmog Detector,

> gives an indication if there are any " hot spots " , but it may not be

> available in Oz. It does show however where localised shielding (e.g. with

> metallised gauze) would be particularly useful.

>

> Some basic suggestions which you can try to reduce the effects quickly:

> - Avoid cordless and mobile phones, switch off cordless phone base stations,

> use standard wired phones.

> - Switch off any wireless networks in the house, use wired connections and

> modems instead.

> - Try replacing fluorescent and low-energy bulbs by old-fashioned

> incandescent ones (if still available)

> - See if it's possible to switch the house electric power off at night.

>

> Certainly these can be inconvenient to you and your family, but they are

> worth trying. Lots of ES people find all these measures help significantly.

> It then makes the task of protection and shielding easier.

>

> Lots of similar information in the archives of this group, but that should

> get you started..

>

> Ian

>

> _____

>

> From: groups (DOT) com [mailto:groups (DOT) com] On Behalf Of

> Rixta Francis

> Sent: 06 February 2010 21:26

> groups (DOT) com

> Subject: simple, cheap and easy tips requested

>

>

>

>

> Hello everyone,

>

> I joined this group a few days ago, because you must start somewhere getting

> information and groups like this are usually very useful.

> Brief story: I have Chronic Fatigue Syndrome since 16 years and my condition

> was always stable, but since we moved into our new house four years ago my

> health slowly got worse. And since late 2008 I have developed pretty bad

> neurological problems that no doctor has an explanation for. So I started my

> own research and realized that the high voltage wires that are all around

> our house *could* be the cause of my problems. But I don't know that for

> sure.

>

> So to start with I would like some tips how to find out if it's really the

> electricity that makes me sick. I don't need a meter, for I'm sure the

> electromagnetic field here is high, but I'm the only person in the street

> that's sick. So I need tips how find out in a *simple*, *cheap* and *easy*

> way if protection from the electrical magnetism will make me feel better. I

> think about something I can wear around the house, or something to sleep

> under at night. I don't know anything about these things so far, so some

> details would be helpful.

> Unfortunately leaving the house for a possibly safer place for a few weeks

> is not an option.

>

> Thanks for your help!

>

> Regards,

> Rixta Francis in Australia

>

>

[Guest guest]

This post is in comment to Rixta's post on 2/6/10. Sorry for the delay but I'm

sure you understand when I say I can only be on-line a limited amount per day

and I haven't had the opportunity to open many posts recently.

You said you could not get away for a couple of week. I had been having some

extreme reactions to EMS starting last spring , basically I could not sleep. I

do not travel often. But in September I had two weekend where I needed to

travel. I was concerned with how I would sleep - because who sleeps better in a

hotel than at home? I slept better the nights I was in the hotel than I had for

5 months. It did not take me days to see the results of not being by a cell

tower just one night.

For me I have found that I can relieve my EMS immediately by removing myself

from the source of the electromagnetic field. But for Multiple Chemical

Sensitivities it is not immediate because the toxins that have been introduced

to my body need to work their way out.

Good luck,

Jennie

________________________________

From: Ole Alstrup <alstrup@...>

Sent: Tue, February 9, 2010 10:21:28 AM

Subject: Re: Re: MCS = adrenal fatigue?

Hi Swetasan,

I have had adrenal fatigue since 2006, but getting better through different

protocols.

I dont know if the HPA axis does as you say with regards to adrenaline and

cortisol, I never saw that described anywhere, although I was told by Dr

that when cortisol gets too low during an adrenal crash, adrenaline will

try to take cortisol's place, bu I dont know the exact biochemistry around this.

To first check whether or not you have too high epinephrine= adrenaline and / or

norepinephrine= noradrenaline or imbalances of other brain chemicals such as the

primary neurotransmitters, have this checked with a urinary test:

https://www. neurorelief. com/index. php?option= com_content & task=category &

sectionid= 12 & id=40 & Itemid=46

Brainfog can be caused by so many things. bloodsugar, food allergies, liver

toxicity, deficienci es of nutrients etc etc etc. One important thing I believe

are related to EMF exposure and the genotoxic effects (which can make adrenal

fatigue worse) is DNA methylation.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0ISW/is_262/ai_n13675760/

http://edoc. unibas.ch/ 1026/

Ole

____________ _________ _________ __

From: svetaswan <svetaswan (DOT) com>

groups (DOT) com

Sent: Tue, 9 February, 2010 5:45:23

Subject: Re: MCS = adrenal fatigue?

Hi Ian and everyone,

I haven't been a member of this group for very long - for this reason and

because of my severe problems with " brain fog " , I haven't had a chance to read

many of the older messages. So excuse me if this is a repeat question or a

" regurgitation " of things that have been much-discussed.

But there have been several posts since I've been here that have mentioned MCS

and/or CFS, and how they are linked to electrosensitivity. Are people here of

the belief that MCS and CFS are caused by or related to a condition known as

" adrenal fatigue " ? The " experts " cite adrenal fatigue as a root cause of these

conditions - and, coincidentally (or not), I've had strong suspicions for at

least a few years now that I'm a long-time sufferer of adrenal fatigue. I've

taken a few saliva hormone tests and other tests to try to confirm this, with

mixed results (many of my results could be interpreted in a variety of ways -

this hormone issue, at least for me, has not been cut-and-dry) . But mainly,

I've tried to pay attention to my symptoms as a possible indicator of adrenal

fatigue (you treat the patient, not lab results, right?).

The biggest/most troublesome symptom(s) I deal with are mental/emotional - such

as an utter inability to handle stress. Even the " simplest " things produce a

feeling of being " stressed out " - I seem to " decompensate " under the most

mundane of stressors. My mental symptoms are such that my " shot " adrenals may be

making too much adrenaline, and not enough cortisol (this problem may " start "

with mis-signaling in the region of the brain responsible for sending messages

to the adrenal glands). I've seen a few sources that claim that when your

adrenals are " tired " or " shot " , it may be unable to generate cortisol - and

" overproduce " arenaline instead. The brain senses that not enough cortisol is

being made - and continues to send out a hormone that signals for more cortisol

to be made. The tired adrenals respond by generating adrenaline, and the vicious

cycle continues.

At first I thought I didn't have much of a problem with MCS - but upon closer

inspection, I do have a couple of problems that may point to some form of MCS. I

seem to be quite sensitive to car exhaust fumes - I could be sitting in heavy

traffic with the windows up, and still get nauseous and " foggy brained " from car

exhaust fumes (I'm sensitive to these fumes in other ways, as well). Or I could

be in a drive-thru line at a fast-food restaurant, and when I roll down the

window to place my order - I have a hard time speaking because I'm " overcome " by

exhaust fumes. And I seem to be quite sensitive to the smell of bleach

(heavy-metal chelation " expert " Andy Cutler mentions this as a sign of MCS

and/or heavy-metal toxicity).

Anyway, I have occassionally been visting adrenal/thyroid/ hormonal sites and

messageboards - so adrenal fatigue had been a concept that I'd been pretty

familiar with well-before my electrosensitivity " crisis " emerged. When I

discovered this place and other sites that discuss electrosensitivity, I didn't

expect to find discussions about MCS and (possibly) adrenal fatigue, but here I

find myself reading about the same things that I've been trying to educate

myself about for a few years now.

Sorry for rambling, but the point I'm trying to get at is that, in trying to

deal with this electrosensitivity crisis - I feel like I've come full-circle, in

a way. I find myself taken " back " to places that I started exploring a few years

ago - adrenal-fatigue, " sluggish liver " /detox problems, etc. Maybe I should take

this as further confirmation that I'm in the right ballpark in exploring my

possible adrenal problems - my electrosensitivity could be another symptom of

these problems.

~Svetaswan

>

> Hi Rixta,

>

> I would say that if you have had CFS for 16 years it is very likely that you

> could develop electrosensitivity, as they very often go together (likewise

> with multiple chemical sensitivity) . And, as you say, you will probably be

> the only person in the environment who's sick.

>

> However there are different types of electromagnetic fields, and different

> people react to a different extent to each one - electric fields from wires

> in walls or high voltage lines outside, magnetic fields from relays/phone

> receivers etc, microwave radiation from masts outside or cordless and mobile

> phones inside, and EM frequencies from fluorescent and low energy lights.

> For microwave radiation, a simple and cheap meter, the Electrosmog Detector,

> gives an indication if there are any " hot spots " , but it may not be

> available in Oz. It does show however where localised shielding (e.g. with

> metallised gauze) would be particularly useful.

>

> Some basic suggestions which you can try to reduce the effects quickly:

> - Avoid cordless and mobile phones, switch off cordless phone base stations,

> use standard wired phones.

> - Switch off any wireless networks in the house, use wired connections and

> modems instead.

> - Try replacing fluorescent and low-energy bulbs by old-fashioned

> incandescent ones (if still available)

> - See if it's possible to switch the house electric power off at night.

>

> Certainly these can be inconvenient to you and your family, but they are

> worth trying. Lots of ES people find all these measures help significantly.

> It then makes the task of protection and shielding easier.

>

> Lots of similar information in the archives of this group, but that should

> get you started..

>

> Ian

>

> _____

>

> From: groups (DOT) com [mailto:] On Behalf Of

> Rixta Francis

> Sent: 06 February 2010 21:26

> groups (DOT) com

> Subject: simple, cheap and easy tips requested

>

>

>

>

> Hello everyone,

>

> I joined this group a few days ago, because you must start somewhere getting

> information and groups like this are usually very useful.

> Brief story: I have Chronic Fatigue Syndrome since 16 years and my condition

> was always stable, but since we moved into our new house four years ago my

> health slowly got worse. And since late 2008 I have developed pretty bad

> neurological problems that no doctor has an explanation for. So I started my

> own research and realized that the high voltage wires that are all around

> our house *could* be the cause of my problems. But I don't know that for

> sure.

>

> So to start with I would like some tips how to find out if it's really the

> electricity that makes me sick. I don't need a meter, for I'm sure the

> electromagnetic field here is high, but I'm the only person in the street

> that's sick. So I need tips how find out in a *simple*, *cheap* and *easy*

> way if protection from the electrical magnetism will make me feel better. I

> think about something I can wear around the house, or something to sleep

> under at night. I don't know anything about these things so far, so some

> details would be helpful.

> Unfortunately leaving the house for a possibly safer place for a few weeks

> is not an option.

>

> Thanks for your help!

>

> Regards,

> Rixta Francis in Australia

>

>

[Guest guest]

Jennie,

 

That is wonderful you can stay at a hotel. The Wifi doesn't bother you. I just

can't tolerate hotels so traveling is not possible for me. But I haven't tried

it yet since I have the QLink.

 

Loni

From: Jennie Wassenaar <ad-in@...>

Subject: Re: Re: MCS = adrenal fatigue?

Date: Friday, February 12, 2010, 11:08 AM

 

This post is in comment to Rixta's post on 2/6/10. Sorry for the delay but I'm

sure you understand when I say I can only be on-line a limited amount per day

and I haven't had the opportunity to open many posts recently.

You said you could not get away for a couple of week. I had been having some

extreme reactions to EMS starting last spring , basically I could not sleep. I

do not travel often. But in September I had two weekend where I needed to

travel. I was concerned with how I would sleep - because who sleeps better in a

hotel than at home? I slept better the nights I was in the hotel than I had for

5 months. It did not take me days to see the results of not being by a cell

tower just one night.

For me I have found that I can relieve my EMS immediately by removing myself

from the source of the electromagnetic field. But for Multiple Chemical

Sensitivities it is not immediate because the toxins that have been introduced

to my body need to work their way out.

Good luck,

Jennie

____________ _________ _________ __

From: Ole Alstrup <alstrup (DOT) com>

groups (DOT) com

Sent: Tue, February 9, 2010 10:21:28 AM

Subject: Re: Re: MCS = adrenal fatigue?

Hi Swetasan,

I have had adrenal fatigue since 2006, but getting better through different

protocols.

I dont know if the HPA axis does as you say with regards to adrenaline and

cortisol, I never saw that described anywhere, although I was told by Dr

that when cortisol gets too low during an adrenal crash, adrenaline will

try to take cortisol's place, bu I dont know the exact biochemistry around this.

To first check whether or not you have too high epinephrine= adrenaline and / or

norepinephrine= noradrenaline or imbalances of other brain chemicals such as the

primary neurotransmitters, have this checked with a urinary test:

https://www. neurorelief. com/index. php?option= com_content & task=category &

sectionid= 12 & id=40 & Itemid=46

Brainfog can be caused by so many things. bloodsugar, food allergies, liver

toxicity, deficienci es of nutrients etc etc etc. One important thing I believe

are related to EMF exposure and the genotoxic effects (which can make adrenal

fatigue worse) is DNA methylation.

http://findarticles .com/p/articles/ mi_m0ISW/ is_262/ai_ n13675760/

http://edoc. unibas.ch/ 1026/

Ole

____________ _________ _________ __

From: svetaswan <svetaswan (DOT) com>

groups (DOT) com

Sent: Tue, 9 February, 2010 5:45:23

Subject: Re: MCS = adrenal fatigue?

Hi Ian and everyone,

I haven't been a member of this group for very long - for this reason and

because of my severe problems with " brain fog " , I haven't had a chance to read

many of the older messages. So excuse me if this is a repeat question or a

" regurgitation " of things that have been much-discussed.

But there have been several posts since I've been here that have mentioned MCS

and/or CFS, and how they are linked to electrosensitivity. Are people here of

the belief that MCS and CFS are caused by or related to a condition known as

" adrenal fatigue " ? The " experts " cite adrenal fatigue as a root cause of these

conditions - and, coincidentally (or not), I've had strong suspicions for at

least a few years now that I'm a long-time sufferer of adrenal fatigue. I've

taken a few saliva hormone tests and other tests to try to confirm this, with

mixed results (many of my results could be interpreted in a variety of ways -

this hormone issue, at least for me, has not been cut-and-dry) . But mainly,

I've tried to pay attention to my symptoms as a possible indicator of adrenal

fatigue (you treat the patient, not lab results, right?).

The biggest/most troublesome symptom(s) I deal with are mental/emotional - such

as an utter inability to handle stress. Even the " simplest " things produce a

feeling of being " stressed out " - I seem to " decompensate " under the most

mundane of stressors. My mental symptoms are such that my " shot " adrenals may be

making too much adrenaline, and not enough cortisol (this problem may " start "

with mis-signaling in the region of the brain responsible for sending messages

to the adrenal glands). I've seen a few sources that claim that when your

adrenals are " tired " or " shot " , it may be unable to generate cortisol - and

" overproduce " arenaline instead. The brain senses that not enough cortisol is

being made - and continues to send out a hormone that signals for more cortisol

to be made. The tired adrenals respond by generating adrenaline, and the vicious

cycle continues.

At first I thought I didn't have much of a problem with MCS - but upon closer

inspection, I do have a couple of problems that may point to some form of MCS. I

seem to be quite sensitive to car exhaust fumes - I could be sitting in heavy

traffic with the windows up, and still get nauseous and " foggy brained " from car

exhaust fumes (I'm sensitive to these fumes in other ways, as well). Or I could

be in a drive-thru line at a fast-food restaurant, and when I roll down the

window to place my order - I have a hard time speaking because I'm " overcome " by

exhaust fumes. And I seem to be quite sensitive to the smell of bleach

(heavy-metal chelation " expert " Andy Cutler mentions this as a sign of MCS

and/or heavy-metal toxicity).

Anyway, I have occassionally been visting adrenal/thyroid/ hormonal sites and

messageboards - so adrenal fatigue had been a concept that I'd been pretty

familiar with well-before my electrosensitivity " crisis " emerged. When I

discovered this place and other sites that discuss electrosensitivity, I didn't

expect to find discussions about MCS and (possibly) adrenal fatigue, but here I

find myself reading about the same things that I've been trying to educate

myself about for a few years now.

Sorry for rambling, but the point I'm trying to get at is that, in trying to

deal with this electrosensitivity crisis - I feel like I've come full-circle, in

a way. I find myself taken " back " to places that I started exploring a few years

ago - adrenal-fatigue, " sluggish liver " /detox problems, etc. Maybe I should take

this as further confirmation that I'm in the right ballpark in exploring my

possible adrenal problems - my electrosensitivity could be another symptom of

these problems.

~Svetaswan

>

> Hi Rixta,

>

> I would say that if you have had CFS for 16 years it is very likely that you

> could develop electrosensitivity, as they very often go together (likewise

> with multiple chemical sensitivity) . And, as you say, you will probably be

> the only person in the environment who's sick.

>

> However there are different types of electromagnetic fields, and different

> people react to a different extent to each one - electric fields from wires

> in walls or high voltage lines outside, magnetic fields from relays/phone

> receivers etc, microwave radiation from masts outside or cordless and mobile

> phones inside, and EM frequencies from fluorescent and low energy lights.

> For microwave radiation, a simple and cheap meter, the Electrosmog Detector,

> gives an indication if there are any " hot spots " , but it may not be

> available in Oz. It does show however where localised shielding (e.g. with

> metallised gauze) would be particularly useful.

>

> Some basic suggestions which you can try to reduce the effects quickly:

> - Avoid cordless and mobile phones, switch off cordless phone base stations,

> use standard wired phones.

> - Switch off any wireless networks in the house, use wired connections and

> modems instead.

> - Try replacing fluorescent and low-energy bulbs by old-fashioned

> incandescent ones (if still available)

> - See if it's possible to switch the house electric power off at night.

>

> Certainly these can be inconvenient to you and your family, but they are

> worth trying. Lots of ES people find all these measures help significantly.

> It then makes the task of protection and shielding easier.

>

> Lots of similar information in the archives of this group, but that should

> get you started..

>

> Ian

>

> _____

>

> From: groups (DOT) com [mailto:] On Behalf Of

> Rixta Francis

> Sent: 06 February 2010 21:26

> groups (DOT) com

> Subject: simple, cheap and easy tips requested

>

>

>

>

> Hello everyone,

>

> I joined this group a few days ago, because you must start somewhere getting

> information and groups like this are usually very useful.

> Brief story: I have Chronic Fatigue Syndrome since 16 years and my condition

> was always stable, but since we moved into our new house four years ago my

> health slowly got worse. And since late 2008 I have developed pretty bad

> neurological problems that no doctor has an explanation for. So I started my

> own research and realized that the high voltage wires that are all around

> our house *could* be the cause of my problems. But I don't know that for

> sure.

>

> So to start with I would like some tips how to find out if it's really the

> electricity that makes me sick. I don't need a meter, for I'm sure the

> electromagnetic field here is high, but I'm the only person in the street

> that's sick. So I need tips how find out in a *simple*, *cheap* and *easy*

> way if protection from the electrical magnetism will make me feel better. I

> think about something I can wear around the house, or something to sleep

> under at night. I don't know anything about these things so far, so some

> details would be helpful.

> Unfortunately leaving the house for a possibly safer place for a few weeks

> is not an option.

>

> Thanks for your help!

>

> Regards,

> Rixta Francis in Australia

>

>

[Guest guest]

Loni,

When I travel I have to do my homework and make phone calls. I try to get

hotels that are not near EMS sources - cell towers, power lines, etc. We

usually stay with the same hotel brand because they work for me. I do NOT stay

at hotels with Wifi. Even if the brochure says no Wifi, I call to double check

because that information can change quickly. I call ahead and request a room as

far away from the electrical sources as possible and to request a green room (no

chemical cleaning). I bring or ship my bedding. If we're staying for longer

than a couple of days we get a room with a kitchen so I can prepare my own

meals. We bring some of our own dish soap and wash detergent (in case we need

to wash the towels).

We have run into bumps along the way. We have to let housekeeping know not to

change our bedding, since we use allergy bedding. But one time we returned to

the hotel late at night and they had changed our bedding and the hotel couldn't

do anything about it until the next day. So, I hardly got any sleep that night

and the next day the housekeeping staff had to go through all the laundry to

find our stuff. I had not labeled our bedding but I learned that would be a

good idea.

Blessings to my daughter who gave my husband and I a gift certificate to a near

by hotel for a " night away " . She took it well when I told her we couldn't use

the certificate because of all the work it is to travel especially for just one

night.

My husband has talked about opening a bed and breakfast (I own a small catering

company now) in Park City, Utah when we retire. I said we should check into

getting a grant to open up a place that specializes in being MCS and EMS

friendly. I would suspect for most of us a place like that would be of

interest. What do you think?

Also, what is QLink?

Good luck,

Jennie

________________________________

From: Loni <loni326@...>

Sent: Sat, February 13, 2010 12:24:49 PM

Subject: Re: Re: MCS = adrenal fatigue?

Jennie,

That is wonderful you can stay at a hotel. The Wifi doesn't bother you. I just

can't tolerate hotels so traveling is not possible for me. But I haven't tried

it yet since I have the QLink.

Loni

From: Jennie Wassenaar <ad-inameritech (DOT) net>

Subject: Re: Re: MCS = adrenal fatigue?

groups (DOT) com

Date: Friday, February 12, 2010, 11:08 AM

This post is in comment to Rixta's post on 2/6/10. Sorry for the delay but I'm

sure you understand when I say I can only be on-line a limited amount per day

and I haven't had the opportunity to open many posts recently.

You said you could not get away for a couple of week. I had been having some

extreme reactions to EMS starting last spring , basically I could not sleep. I

do not travel often. But in September I had two weekend where I needed to

travel. I was concerned with how I would sleep - because who sleeps better in a

hotel than at home? I slept better the nights I was in the hotel than I had for

5 months. It did not take me days to see the results of not being by a cell

tower just one night.

For me I have found that I can relieve my EMS immediately by removing myself

from the source of the electromagnetic field. But for Multiple Chemical

Sensitivities it is not immediate because the toxins that have been introduced

to my body need to work their way out.

Good luck,

Jennie

____________ _________ _________ __

From: Ole Alstrup <alstrup (DOT) com>

groups (DOT) com

Sent: Tue, February 9, 2010 10:21:28 AM

Subject: Re: Re: MCS = adrenal fatigue?

Hi Swetasan,

I have had adrenal fatigue since 2006, but getting better through different

protocols.

I dont know if the HPA axis does as you say with regards to adrenaline and

cortisol, I never saw that described anywhere, although I was told by Dr

that when cortisol gets too low during an adrenal crash, adrenaline will

try to take cortisol's place, bu I dont know the exact biochemistry around this.

To first check whether or not you have too high epinephrine= adrenaline and / or

norepinephrine= noradrenaline or imbalances of other brain chemicals such as the

primary neurotransmitters, have this checked with a urinary test:

https://www. neurorelief. com/index. php?option= com_content & task=category &

sectionid= 12 & id=40 & Itemid=46

Brainfog can be caused by so many things. bloodsugar, food allergies, liver

toxicity, deficienci es of nutrients etc etc etc. One important thing I believe

are related to EMF exposure and the genotoxic effects (which can make adrenal

fatigue worse) is DNA methylation.

http://findarticles .com/p/articles/ mi_m0ISW/ is_262/ai_ n13675760/

http://edoc. unibas.ch/ 1026/

Ole

____________ _________ _________ __

From: svetaswan <svetaswan (DOT) com>

groups (DOT) com

Sent: Tue, 9 February, 2010 5:45:23

Subject: Re: MCS = adrenal fatigue?

Hi Ian and everyone,

I haven't been a member of this group for very long - for this reason and

because of my severe problems with " brain fog " , I haven't had a chance to read

many of the older messages. So excuse me if this is a repeat question or a

" regurgitation " of things that have been much-discussed.

But there have been several posts since I've been here that have mentioned MCS

and/or CFS, and how they are linked to electrosensitivity. Are people here of

the belief that MCS and CFS are caused by or related to a condition known as

" adrenal fatigue " ? The " experts " cite adrenal fatigue as a root cause of these

conditions - and, coincidentally (or not), I've had strong suspicions for at

least a few years now that I'm a long-time sufferer of adrenal fatigue. I've

taken a few saliva hormone tests and other tests to try to confirm this, with

mixed results (many of my results could be interpreted in a variety of ways -

this hormone issue, at least for me, has not been cut-and-dry) . But mainly,

I've tried to pay attention to my symptoms as a possible indicator of adrenal

fatigue (you treat the patient, not lab results, right?).

The biggest/most troublesome symptom(s) I deal with are mental/emotional - such

as an utter inability to handle stress. Even the " simplest " things produce a

feeling of being " stressed out " - I seem to " decompensate " under the most

mundane of stressors. My mental symptoms are such that my " shot " adrenals may be

making too much adrenaline, and not enough cortisol (this problem may " start "

with mis-signaling in the region of the brain responsible for sending messages

to the adrenal glands). I've seen a few sources that claim that when your

adrenals are " tired " or " shot " , it may be unable to generate cortisol - and

" overproduce " arenaline instead. The brain senses that not enough cortisol is

being made - and continues to send out a hormone that signals for more cortisol

to be made. The tired adrenals respond by generating adrenaline, and the vicious

cycle continues.

At first I thought I didn't have much of a problem with MCS - but upon closer

inspection, I do have a couple of problems that may point to some form of MCS. I

seem to be quite sensitive to car exhaust fumes - I could be sitting in heavy

traffic with the windows up, and still get nauseous and " foggy brained " from car

exhaust fumes (I'm sensitive to these fumes in other ways, as well). Or I could

be in a drive-thru line at a fast-food restaurant, and when I roll down the

window to place my order - I have a hard time speaking because I'm " overcome " by

exhaust fumes. And I seem to be quite sensitive to the smell of bleach

(heavy-metal chelation " expert " Andy Cutler mentions this as a sign of MCS

and/or heavy-metal toxicity).

Anyway, I have occassionally been visting adrenal/thyroid/ hormonal sites and

messageboards - so adrenal fatigue had been a concept that I'd been pretty

familiar with well-before my electrosensitivity " crisis " emerged. When I

discovered this place and other sites that discuss electrosensitivity, I didn't

expect to find discussions about MCS and (possibly) adrenal fatigue, but here I

find myself reading about the same things that I've been trying to educate

myself about for a few years now.

Sorry for rambling, but the point I'm trying to get at is that, in trying to

deal with this electrosensitivity crisis - I feel like I've come full-circle, in

a way. I find myself taken " back " to places that I started exploring a few years

ago - adrenal-fatigue, " sluggish liver " /detox problems, etc. Maybe I should take

this as further confirmation that I'm in the right ballpark in exploring my

possible adrenal problems - my electrosensitivity could be another symptom of

these problems.

~Svetaswan

>

> Hi Rixta,

>

> I would say that if you have had CFS for 16 years it is very likely that you

> could develop electrosensitivity, as they very often go together (likewise

> with multiple chemical sensitivity) . And, as you say, you will probably be

> the only person in the environment who's sick.

>

> However there are different types of electromagnetic fields, and different

> people react to a different extent to each one - electric fields from wires

> in walls or high voltage lines outside, magnetic fields from relays/phone

> receivers etc, microwave radiation from masts outside or cordless and mobile

> phones inside, and EM frequencies from fluorescent and low energy lights.

> For microwave radiation, a simple and cheap meter, the Electrosmog Detector,

> gives an indication if there are any " hot spots " , but it may not be

> available in Oz. It does show however where localised shielding (e.g. with

> metallised gauze) would be particularly useful.

>

> Some basic suggestions which you can try to reduce the effects quickly:

> - Avoid cordless and mobile phones, switch off cordless phone base stations,

> use standard wired phones.

> - Switch off any wireless networks in the house, use wired connections and

> modems instead.

> - Try replacing fluorescent and low-energy bulbs by old-fashioned

> incandescent ones (if still available)

> - See if it's possible to switch the house electric power off at night.

>

> Certainly these can be inconvenient to you and your family, but they are

> worth trying. Lots of ES people find all these measures help significantly.

> It then makes the task of protection and shielding easier.

>

> Lots of similar information in the archives of this group, but that should

> get you started..

>

> Ian

>

> _____

>

> From: groups (DOT) com [mailto:] On Behalf Of

> Rixta Francis

> Sent: 06 February 2010 21:26

> groups (DOT) com

> Subject: simple, cheap and easy tips requested

>

>

>

>

> Hello everyone,

>

> I joined this group a few days ago, because you must start somewhere getting

> information and groups like this are usually very useful.

> Brief story: I have Chronic Fatigue Syndrome since 16 years and my condition

> was always stable, but since we moved into our new house four years ago my

> health slowly got worse. And since late 2008 I have developed pretty bad

> neurological problems that no doctor has an explanation for. So I started my

> own research and realized that the high voltage wires that are all around

> our house *could* be the cause of my problems. But I don't know that for

> sure.

>

> So to start with I would like some tips how to find out if it's really the

> electricity that makes me sick. I don't need a meter, for I'm sure the

> electromagnetic field here is high, but I'm the only person in the street

> that's sick. So I need tips how find out in a *simple*, *cheap* and *easy*

> way if protection from the electrical magnetism will make me feel better. I

> think about something I can wear around the house, or something to sleep

> under at night. I don't know anything about these things so far, so some

> details would be helpful.

> Unfortunately leaving the house for a possibly safer place for a few weeks

> is not an option.

>

> Thanks for your help!

>

> Regards,

> Rixta Francis in Australia

>

>

[Guest guest]

Ditto, although I might add its becoming increasingly impossible to find wifi

free hotels these days. Most seem to think that its the must have requirement

for every modern visitor/traveller- and promote it as some kind of divinely

blessed perk.I usually ring in advance and request a room miles away from the

main source, and most are willing to oblige, except on one ferry from Italy to

Greece last year,stuck out in the middle of the ocean on a 24 hr voyage, I

realised they had wified the whole boat. Arriving in Athens wifi turned out

to be the least of my problems because the hotel I stayed had large flat

screen HD Tv's in every one of its 300 + rooms. The future does not look

promising.

 

 

Ad

From: Jennie Wassenaar <ad-inameritech (DOT) net>

Subject: Re: Re: MCS = adrenal fatigue?

groups (DOT) com

Date: Friday, February 12, 2010, 11:08 AM

This post is in comment to Rixta's post on 2/6/10. Sorry for the delay but I'm

sure you understand when I say I can only be on-line a limited amount per day

and I haven't had the opportunity to open many posts recently.

You said you could not get away for a couple of week. I had been having some

extreme reactions to EMS starting last spring , basically I could not sleep. I

do not travel often. But in September I had two weekend where I needed to

travel. I was concerned with how I would sleep - because who sleeps better in a

hotel than at home? I slept better the nights I was in the hotel than I had for

5 months. It did not take me days to see the results of not being by a cell

tower just one night.

For me I have found that I can relieve my EMS immediately by removing myself

from the source of the electromagnetic field. But for Multiple Chemical

Sensitivities it is not immediate because the toxins that have been introduced

to my body need to work their way out.

Good luck,

Jennie

____________ _________ _________ __

From: Ole Alstrup <alstrup (DOT) com>

groups (DOT) com

Sent: Tue, February 9, 2010 10:21:28 AM

Subject: Re: Re: MCS = adrenal fatigue?

Hi Swetasan,

I have had adrenal fatigue since 2006, but getting better through different

protocols.

I dont know if the HPA axis does as you say with regards to adrenaline and

cortisol, I never saw that described anywhere, although I was told by Dr

that when cortisol gets too low during an adrenal crash, adrenaline will

try to take cortisol's place, bu I dont know the exact biochemistry around this.

To first check whether or not you have too high epinephrine= adrenaline and / or

norepinephrine= noradrenaline or imbalances of other brain chemicals such as the

primary neurotransmitters, have this checked with a urinary test:

https://www. neurorelief. com/index. php?option= com_content & task=category &

sectionid= 12 & id=40 & Itemid=46

Brainfog can be caused by so many things. bloodsugar, food allergies, liver

toxicity, deficienci es of nutrients etc etc etc. One important thing I believe

are related to EMF exposure and the genotoxic effects (which can make adrenal

fatigue worse) is DNA methylation.

http://findarticles .com/p/articles/ mi_m0ISW/ is_262/ai_ n13675760/

http://edoc. unibas.ch/ 1026/

Ole

____________ _________ _________ __

From: svetaswan <svetaswan (DOT) com>

groups (DOT) com

Sent: Tue, 9 February, 2010 5:45:23

Subject: Re: MCS = adrenal fatigue?

Hi Ian and everyone,

I haven't been a member of this group for very long - for this reason and

because of my severe problems with " brain fog " , I haven't had a chance to read

many of the older messages. So excuse me if this is a repeat question or a

" regurgitation " of things that have been much-discussed.

But there have been several posts since I've been here that have mentioned MCS

and/or CFS, and how they are linked to electrosensitivity. Are people here of

the belief that MCS and CFS are caused by or related to a condition known as

" adrenal fatigue " ? The " experts " cite adrenal fatigue as a root cause of these

conditions - and, coincidentally (or not), I've had strong suspicions for at

least a few years now that I'm a long-time sufferer of adrenal fatigue. I've

taken a few saliva hormone tests and other tests to try to confirm this, with

mixed results (many of my results could be interpreted in a variety of ways -

this hormone issue, at least for me, has not been cut-and-dry) . But mainly,

I've tried to pay attention to my symptoms as a possible indicator of adrenal

fatigue (you treat the patient, not lab results, right?).

The biggest/most troublesome symptom(s) I deal with are mental/emotional - such

as an utter inability to handle stress. Even the " simplest " things produce a

feeling of being " stressed out " - I seem to " decompensate " under the most

mundane of stressors. My mental symptoms are such that my " shot " adrenals may be

making too much adrenaline, and not enough cortisol (this problem may " start "

with mis-signaling in the region of the brain responsible for sending messages

to the adrenal glands). I've seen a few sources that claim that when your

adrenals are " tired " or " shot " , it may be unable to generate cortisol - and

" overproduce " arenaline instead. The brain senses that not enough cortisol is

being made - and continues to send out a hormone that signals for more cortisol

to be made. The tired adrenals respond by generating adrenaline, and the vicious

cycle continues.

At first I thought I didn't have much of a problem with MCS - but upon closer

inspection, I do have a couple of problems that may point to some form of MCS. I

seem to be quite sensitive to car exhaust fumes - I could be sitting in heavy

traffic with the windows up, and still get nauseous and " foggy brained " from car

exhaust fumes (I'm sensitive to these fumes in other ways, as well). Or I could

be in a drive-thru line at a fast-food restaurant, and when I roll down the

window to place my order - I have a hard time speaking because I'm " overcome " by

exhaust fumes. And I seem to be quite sensitive to the smell of bleach

(heavy-metal chelation " expert " Andy Cutler mentions this as a sign of MCS

and/or heavy-metal toxicity).

Anyway, I have occassionally been visting adrenal/thyroid/ hormonal sites and

messageboards - so adrenal fatigue had been a concept that I'd been pretty

familiar with well-before my electrosensitivity " crisis " emerged. When I

discovered this place and other sites that discuss electrosensitivity, I didn't

expect to find discussions about MCS and (possibly) adrenal fatigue, but here I

find myself reading about the same things that I've been trying to educate

myself about for a few years now.

Sorry for rambling, but the point I'm trying to get at is that, in trying to

deal with this electrosensitivity crisis - I feel like I've come full-circle, in

a way. I find myself taken " back " to places that I started exploring a few years

ago - adrenal-fatigue, " sluggish liver " /detox problems, etc. Maybe I should take

this as further confirmation that I'm in the right ballpark in exploring my

possible adrenal problems - my electrosensitivity could be another symptom of

these problems.

~Svetaswan

>

> Hi Rixta,

>

> I would say that if you have had CFS for 16 years it is very likely that you

> could develop electrosensitivity, as they very often go together (likewise

> with multiple chemical sensitivity) . And, as you say, you will probably be

> the only person in the environment who's sick.

>

> However there are different types of electromagnetic fields, and different

> people react to a different extent to each one - electric fields from wires

> in walls or high voltage lines outside, magnetic fields from relays/phone

> receivers etc, microwave radiation from masts outside or cordless and mobile

> phones inside, and EM frequencies from fluorescent and low energy lights.

> For microwave radiation, a simple and cheap meter, the Electrosmog Detector,

> gives an indication if there are any " hot spots " , but it may not be

> available in Oz. It does show however where localised shielding (e.g. with

> metallised gauze) would be particularly useful.

>

> Some basic suggestions which you can try to reduce the effects quickly:

> - Avoid cordless and mobile phones, switch off cordless phone base stations,

> use standard wired phones.

> - Switch off any wireless networks in the house, use wired connections and

> modems instead.

> - Try replacing fluorescent and low-energy bulbs by old-fashioned

> incandescent ones (if still available)

> - See if it's possible to switch the house electric power off at night.

>

> Certainly these can be inconvenient to you and your family, but they are

> worth trying. Lots of ES people find all these measures help significantly.

> It then makes the task of protection and shielding easier.

>

> Lots of similar information in the archives of this group, but that should

> get you started..

>

> Ian

>

> _____

>

> From: groups (DOT) com [mailto:] On Behalf Of

> Rixta Francis

> Sent: 06 February 2010 21:26

> groups (DOT) com

> Subject: simple, cheap and easy tips requested

>

>

>

>

> Hello everyone,

>

> I joined this group a few days ago, because you must start somewhere getting

> information and groups like this are usually very useful.

> Brief story: I have Chronic Fatigue Syndrome since 16 years and my condition

> was always stable, but since we moved into our new house four years ago my

> health slowly got worse. And since late 2008 I have developed pretty bad

> neurological problems that no doctor has an explanation for. So I started my

> own research and realized that the high voltage wires that are all around

> our house *could* be the cause of my problems. But I don't know that for

> sure.

>

> So to start with I would like some tips how to find out if it's really the

> electricity that makes me sick. I don't need a meter, for I'm sure the

> electromagnetic field here is high, but I'm the only person in the street

> that's sick. So I need tips how find out in a *simple*, *cheap* and *easy*

> way if protection from the electrical magnetism will make me feel better. I

> think about something I can wear around the house, or something to sleep

> under at night. I don't know anything about these things so far, so some

> details would be helpful.

> Unfortunately leaving the house for a possibly safer place for a few weeks

> is not an option.

>

> Thanks for your help!

>

> Regards,

> Rixta Francis in Australia

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, I agree. Businesses and consumers are buying into the convenience of new

technologies.

When I stay in a hotel I ask for a room at the end of the hallway on the top

floor opposite where the electricity/cable come into the building. I figure the

less rooms around mine the less ambient EME I have to be exposed to. In my room

I disconnect my TV, Cable and any extra electronic equipment from the wall. I

bring my small portable DVD player to play DVDs. If we are staying somewhere

within driving distance I bring my portable kitchen TV which for some reason

does not effect as much as most TVs.

When we are traveling by car for a distance I will sit in the back so I have

less exposure to EME. And if I am flying and having a hard time I will take a

Benedryl to help me sleep. I know my body is still in distress but at I can

sleep through it.

s

________________________________

From: adaiye <betty_starbuckle@...>

Sent: Sun, February 14, 2010 7:42:38 AM

Subject: Re: Re: MCS = adrenal fatigue?

Ditto, although I might add its becoming increasingl y impossible to find wifi

free hotels these days. Most seem to think that its the must have requirement

for every modern visitor/traveller- and promote it as some kind of divinely

blessed perk. I usually ring in advance and request a room miles away from the

main source, and most are willing to oblige, except on one ferry from Italy to

Greece last year,stuck out in the middle of the ocean on a 24 hr voyage, I

realised they had wified the whole boat. Arriving in Athens wifi turned out to

be the least of my problems because the hotel I stayed had large flat screen HD

Tv's in every one of its 300 + rooms. The future does not look promising.

Ad

From: Jennie Wassenaar <ad-inameritech (DOT) net>

Subject: Re: Re: MCS = adrenal fatigue?

groups (DOT) com

Date: Friday, February 12, 2010, 11:08 AM

This post is in comment to Rixta's post on 2/6/10. Sorry for the delay but I'm

sure you understand when I say I can only be on-line a limited amount per day

and I haven't had the opportunity to open many posts recently.

You said you could not get away for a couple of week. I had been having some

extreme reactions to EMS starting last spring , basically I could not sleep. I

do not travel often. But in September I had two weekend where I needed to

travel. I was concerned with how I would sleep - because who sleeps better in a

hotel than at home? I slept better the nights I was in the hotel than I had for

5 months. It did not take me days to see the results of not being by a cell

tower just one night.

For me I have found that I can relieve my EMS immediately by removing myself

from the source of the electromagnetic field. But for Multiple Chemical

Sensitivities it is not immediate because the toxins that have been introduced

to my body need to work their way out.

Good luck,

Jennie

____________ _________ _________ __

From: Ole Alstrup <alstrup (DOT) com>

groups (DOT) com

Sent: Tue, February 9, 2010 10:21:28 AM

Subject: Re: Re: MCS = adrenal fatigue?

Hi Swetasan,

I have had adrenal fatigue since 2006, but getting better through different

protocols.

I dont know if the HPA axis does as you say with regards to adrenaline and

cortisol, I never saw that described anywhere, although I was told by Dr

that when cortisol gets too low during an adrenal crash, adrenaline will

try to take cortisol's place, bu I dont know the exact biochemistry around this.

To first check whether or not you have too high epinephrine= adrenaline and / or

norepinephrine= noradrenaline or imbalances of other brain chemicals such as the

primary neurotransmitters, have this checked with a urinary test:

https://www. neurorelief. com/index. php?option= com_content & task=category &

sectionid= 12 & id=40 & Itemid=46

Brainfog can be caused by so many things. bloodsugar, food allergies, liver

toxicity, deficienci es of nutrients etc etc etc. One important thing I believe

are related to EMF exposure and the genotoxic effects (which can make adrenal

fatigue worse) is DNA methylation.

http://findarticles .com/p/articles/ mi_m0ISW/ is_262/ai_ n13675760/

http://edoc. unibas.ch/ 1026/

Ole

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From: svetaswan <svetaswan (DOT) com>

groups (DOT) com

Sent: Tue, 9 February, 2010 5:45:23

Subject: Re: MCS = adrenal fatigue?

Hi Ian and everyone,

I haven't been a member of this group for very long - for this reason and

because of my severe problems with " brain fog " , I haven't had a chance to read

many of the older messages. So excuse me if this is a repeat question or a

" regurgitation " of things that have been much-discussed.

But there have been several posts since I've been here that have mentioned MCS

and/or CFS, and how they are linked to electrosensitivity. Are people here of

the belief that MCS and CFS are caused by or related to a condition known as

" adrenal fatigue " ? The " experts " cite adrenal fatigue as a root cause of these

conditions - and, coincidentally (or not), I've had strong suspicions for at

least a few years now that I'm a long-time sufferer of adrenal fatigue. I've

taken a few saliva hormone tests and other tests to try to confirm this, with

mixed results (many of my results could be interpreted in a variety of ways -

this hormone issue, at least for me, has not been cut-and-dry) . But mainly,

I've tried to pay attention to my symptoms as a possible indicator of adrenal

fatigue (you treat the patient, not lab results, right?).

The biggest/most troublesome symptom(s) I deal with are mental/emotional - such

as an utter inability to handle stress. Even the " simplest " things produce a

feeling of being " stressed out " - I seem to " decompensate " under the most

mundane of stressors. My mental symptoms are such that my " shot " adrenals may be

making too much adrenaline, and not enough cortisol (this problem may " start "

with mis-signaling in the region of the brain responsible for sending messages

to the adrenal glands). I've seen a few sources that claim that when your

adrenals are " tired " or " shot " , it may be unable to generate cortisol - and

" overproduce " arenaline instead. The brain senses that not enough cortisol is

being made - and continues to send out a hormone that signals for more cortisol

to be made. The tired adrenals respond by generating adrenaline, and the vicious

cycle continues.

At first I thought I didn't have much of a problem with MCS - but upon closer

inspection, I do have a couple of problems that may point to some form of MCS. I

seem to be quite sensitive to car exhaust fumes - I could be sitting in heavy

traffic with the windows up, and still get nauseous and " foggy brained " from car

exhaust fumes (I'm sensitive to these fumes in other ways, as well). Or I could

be in a drive-thru line at a fast-food restaurant, and when I roll down the

window to place my order - I have a hard time speaking because I'm " overcome " by

exhaust fumes. And I seem to be quite sensitive to the smell of bleach

(heavy-metal chelation " expert " Andy Cutler mentions this as a sign of MCS

and/or heavy-metal toxicity).

Anyway, I have occassionally been visting adrenal/thyroid/ hormonal sites and

messageboards - so adrenal fatigue had been a concept that I'd been pretty

familiar with well-before my electrosensitivity " crisis " emerged. When I

discovered this place and other sites that discuss electrosensitivity, I didn't

expect to find discussions about MCS and (possibly) adrenal fatigue, but here I

find myself reading about the same things that I've been trying to educate

myself about for a few years now.

Sorry for rambling, but the point I'm trying to get at is that, in trying to

deal with this electrosensitivity crisis - I feel like I've come full-circle, in

a way. I find myself taken " back " to places that I started exploring a few years

ago - adrenal-fatigue, " sluggish liver " /detox problems, etc. Maybe I should take

this as further confirmation that I'm in the right ballpark in exploring my

possible adrenal problems - my electrosensitivity could be another symptom of

these problems.

~Svetaswan

>

> Hi Rixta,

>

> I would say that if you have had CFS for 16 years it is very likely that you

> could develop electrosensitivity, as they very often go together (likewise

> with multiple chemical sensitivity) . And, as you say, you will probably be

> the only person in the environment who's sick.

>

> However there are different types of electromagnetic fields, and different

> people react to a different extent to each one - electric fields from wires

> in walls or high voltage lines outside, magnetic fields from relays/phone

> receivers etc, microwave radiation from masts outside or cordless and mobile

> phones inside, and EM frequencies from fluorescent and low energy lights.

> For microwave radiation, a simple and cheap meter, the Electrosmog Detector,

> gives an indication if there are any " hot spots " , but it may not be

> available in Oz. It does show however where localised shielding (e.g. with

> metallised gauze) would be particularly useful.

>

> Some basic suggestions which you can try to reduce the effects quickly:

> - Avoid cordless and mobile phones, switch off cordless phone base stations,

> use standard wired phones.

> - Switch off any wireless networks in the house, use wired connections and

> modems instead.

> - Try replacing fluorescent and low-energy bulbs by old-fashioned

> incandescent ones (if still available)

> - See if it's possible to switch the house electric power off at night.

>

> Certainly these can be inconvenient to you and your family, but they are

> worth trying. Lots of ES people find all these measures help significantly.

> It then makes the task of protection and shielding easier.

>

> Lots of similar information in the archives of this group, but that should

> get you started..

>

> Ian

>

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> From: groups (DOT) com [mailto:] On Behalf Of

> Rixta Francis

> Sent: 06 February 2010 21:26

> groups (DOT) com

> Subject: simple, cheap and easy tips requested

>

>

>

>

> Hello everyone,

>

> I joined this group a few days ago, because you must start somewhere getting

> information and groups like this are usually very useful.

> Brief story: I have Chronic Fatigue Syndrome since 16 years and my condition

> was always stable, but since we moved into our new house four years ago my

> health slowly got worse. And since late 2008 I have developed pretty bad

> neurological problems that no doctor has an explanation for. So I started my

> own research and realized that the high voltage wires that are all around

> our house *could* be the cause of my problems. But I don't know that for

> sure.

>

> So to start with I would like some tips how to find out if it's really the

> electricity that makes me sick. I don't need a meter, for I'm sure the

> electromagnetic field here is high, but I'm the only person in the street

> that's sick. So I need tips how find out in a *simple*, *cheap* and *easy*

> way if protection from the electrical magnetism will make me feel better. I

> think about something I can wear around the house, or something to sleep

> under at night. I don't know anything about these things so far, so some

> details would be helpful.

> Unfortunately leaving the house for a possibly safer place for a few weeks

> is not an option.

>

> Thanks for your help!

>

> Regards,

> Rixta Francis in Australia

>

>