Re: pendants and gizmos

December 1, 2009

Hi Christian

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Can you tell us how you made your home made Lakhovsky coil and where best to

site it for best results? Could anyone do this or do you need engineering

skills?

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Thanks

Steph

From: cris_aov <cris_aov@...>

Subject: Re: pendants and gizmos

Date: Monday, 30 November, 2009, 22:56

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Ive tried the monitor shields, my exerience was that it helped a little but it

wasnt enough to make a big difference in my symptoms. Since the front part has

to be see-trough I dont think theres is a material that would provide enough

sheilding to the front to really make am really good amount of difference.

Whats probably causing the burning face symptoms is the rf noise generated by

the computer that is getting transmitted to the monitor via the metal

(dvi,vga,hdmi) cable thats used to connect the computer to the monitor.

I currently use a dvi fiber optic extender cable to connect my computer to my

monitor. This has reduced all my symptoms (burning,face, throat swelling,dry

hands,rashes, and fatigue) by at least 60%. This eliminates any rf genereated by

the computer to get transmitted to the monitor via the cable. I also use an rf

filtered surge protector to connect everything to. I also use these things

called ferrite torroids which I wind the usb cables of my keyboard and mouse and

the power suppllies used to connect t=at the end inthe DVI fiber optic cable. It

absorbs alot of the RF noise on the cables before getting to the keyboard and

mouse. These reduced my symptoms an aditional 15-20%

Before I used the fiber optic extender cable, I found that connecting a computer

to a monitor with a VGA input was much more tolerable than using a DVI or HDMI.

Ive tried a few " gizmos " Ive tried an earthcalm resonator necklace, earthcalm

home protector, cone polarizer, a small disk pocket polarizer, various cell

phone chips, and a home made Lakhovsky coil.

From what ive tried I have noticed a difference in many situations with the

earth calm necklace which I used especially with my computer. The lackhovsky

coil I made also helped it gave like a general sense of well being and I felt a

nice little difference when I used it with the computer. I also felt a

difference with the home protector but it made me feel very uncomfortable, The

other things I listed I felt nothing.

I dont feel these things are anywhere near as effective as actually eliminating

the problem, but they did and still help to tolerate some of my EMF symptoms

especially my earth calm necklace.

December 1, 2009

Let's please all agree about one thing:

There is no change to the electromagnetic field that is measurable when

using these devices.

No change in strength, nor frequency, nor waveform, nor anything else.

All claims that they do something electromagnetically are without basis.

After all, if you cannot demonstrate an electromagnetic difference, how can

you say that one exists?

Now, if these devices are doing something biologically, I couldn't say.

People seem to like them. But that doesn't mean that they are doing

something to the ambient EMF.

Emil

pendants and gizmos

> Does anything one can wear block or counteract EMF effects? (Other than

> metallic shielding...) Qlink, Teslar, Bioshield, Shuzi, strange dots to

> put on a cell phone, things that claim to cancel fields....any of it

> legitimate?

>

> a

>

> ------------------------------------

>

December 1, 2009

> There is no change to the electromagnetic field that is measurable when

> using these devices.

> No change in strength, nor frequency, nor waveform, nor anything else.

> All claims that they do something electromagnetically are without basis.

I've seen studies that demonstrate differences in signal-to-noise

ratio when using items from Quantum Products, so it appears that

these do something measurable, but I agree, most of the items you

wear on your person seem to work biologically, increasing your

resistance to EMF, not changing the EMF itself.

Marc

December 1, 2009

Emil - Yes - I agree measuring them on a meter is hard to do.

OK - lets step out from the traditional science and go into the realms of the

etheric body known to some as the human aura which is said to be an electrical

field.

Dr. Thelma Moss filmed the etheric (aura?) energy that emanates from a human

body and she could influence the field using the (etheric) energy that emanates

from a persons hand. Healers seem to show a much greater field and when touched

by the healer - the patients field would grow. But she could not measure the

etheric energy using devises that measure the magnetic field - but she could

photograph and film it. I believe there is a frequency/electrical relationship

of the cells of the human body that can be filmed but not measured on a

traditional gauss meter or a scope.

You can see a change in the human energy field on a live kirlian plate.

Measuring these colours and analysing them is an evolving science. Now - I

have seen before and after shots of people that wear these devises. Amazing...

For some amazing pictures of the fields that are emanating from the human body -

visit the website below.

http://www.fullspectrum.org.uk

The area where the shields are placed is usually over the heart. There is a very

high body voltage in this area because it is where the heart is pumping away -

contracting by muscles stimulated by an electric field produced by the human

body.

Now - lets get even stranger.

Edgar Cayce - the worlds most well known psychic said that gem stones could

effect the etheric field of the human body. The atomic structure of the stone

could influence the electrical properties of the cell. The Gold crowns worn by

the kings and pharaohs had Gem stones in them - and Cayce said that the

combination of the stone and the Gold and silver could have an effect on the

human body. Silver will kill a virus. The vibrational atomic frequency of the

silver metal will kill germs. Clothes made of silver will control body odor.

The atomic structure and resonating frequency of the metal and gemstone does

influence the body. But - it can't be measured by traditional meters yet.

So, I believe that there is something to this stuff - we can't measure it yet -

but does have an effect on the body.

AND A coil of wire can do some amazing things with magnetic fields. The tesla

coil - The Q-Link is a coil of wire embeded in a patented mixture of powdered

stone.

And - The Bio Shield - a coil of wire in a ferrite core.

http://www.biotronix.net/pdv001/index.htm

On 2009-12-01, at 11:20 AM, lessemf.com wrote:

> Let's please all agree about one thing:

> There is no change to the electromagnetic field that is measurable when

> using these devices.

> No change in strength, nor frequency, nor waveform, nor anything else.

> All claims that they do something electromagnetically are without basis.

> After all, if you cannot demonstrate an electromagnetic difference, how can

> you say that one exists?

>

> Now, if these devices are doing something biologically, I couldn't say.

> People seem to like them. But that doesn't mean that they are doing

> something to the ambient EMF.

>

> Emil

>

> pendants and gizmos

>

> > Does anything one can wear block or counteract EMF effects? (Other than

> > metallic shielding...) Qlink, Teslar, Bioshield, Shuzi, strange dots to

> > put on a cell phone, things that claim to cancel fields....any of it

> > legitimate?

> >

> > a

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

December 1, 2009

> The two ferrites at the end of your cable reduce RF only a really tiny

> bit. A cable needs at least 10-20 turns of the cable on a ferrite to

> really reduce RF on it.

Do you have any specific recommendations (maybe an Internet link?)

for a ferrite that can accommodate 10-20 turns of a USB cable? I

own a few ferrites, but the hole is only large enough for a cable

to pass through it a couple times (and frankly, I didn't like how

it felt using the ferrite this way)

Thanks!

Marc

December 1, 2009

Hi Steph, thanks for the suggestion - I had never thought of metal jewelry being

an issue but I guess if people have metal fillings removed then metal jewelry

could matter too. I wear my jewelry most of the time and am quite attached to

it though! Still I may set up my own little science experiment to see - always

worth testing things. Aren't you concerned about the titanium in the bracelet?

That is metal for sure..but then the Qlink itself has metal in it also. I

guess the best answer is to keep on trying and testing every option, eh?

Thanks,

a

> >

> > > Does anything one can wear block or counteract EMF effects? (Other than

metallic shielding... )Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Qlink, Teslar, Bioshield, Shuzi, strange dots

to put on a cell phone, things that claim to cancel fields....any of it

legitimate?

> > >

> > > a

> > >

> >

December 1, 2009

Hi Emil, I'm curious of what you make of this:

Alternative Medicine Magazine recently conducted a test looking at the benefits

of wearing a personal EMF protection device. Here's an excerpt:

We also used the heart-rate variability test in our informal trials. HRV is the

measurement, in milliseconds, of the beat-to-beat changes in a subject's heart

rate, and it gives a dynamic glimpse of the state of the autonomic nervous

system. This system controls the beating of the heart, the movement of the

gastrointestinal tract and the secretion of hormones by the endocrine glands,

among other vital functions. Variation of the intervals between heartbeats is

due to the interaction of the two arms of the autonomous nervous system: the

sympathetic and parasympathetic nervous systems. The parasympathetic system

slows the heart, while the sympathetic system accelerates it. Thus, an HRV test

is a good measurement of a body's overall response to stimuli. HRV is

well-established, and it has been used for many years by cardiologists,

gastroenterologists, endocrinologists and even psychologists.

For our tests we enlisted the services of I. Borkin, N.D., of Santa

, Calif. Borkin is a naturopath, and he frequently uses HRV to assess the

condition of his patients.

We hooked up our subject to the HRV monitor and took a baseline reading of her

HRV. She was in a healthy state, with her sympathetic and parasympathetic

systems stable and within normal parameters.

Next we had the subject answer her cell phone, a Nokia 8160. Her sympathetic

nervous system went into " fight or flight mode, producing the stimulating

hormones cortisol and adrenaline and accelerating her heart rate.

After an interval, we had the subject answer her cell phone again, this time

while wearing the BioElectric Shield. The HRV monitor showed that her autonomous

nervous system remained stable, with no change in her heart rhythms.

After a rest period we had our subject wear a Teslar Watch and answer her cell

phone. Again, her nervous system remained stable.

To make sure our subject had not simply stopped responding to the energy emitted

by the phone, we again had her answer wearing no device. Her autonomic nervous

system responded violently again.

Finally, we tested the QLink, which, like the previous two devices, showed a

significant protective effect.

Admittedly, ours was just one test, and we cannot discount a possible placebo

effect. Still, the results were impressive. Concluded Borkin: " My personal

research has revealed that exposure to a cell phone may cause an increase in

sympathetic activity and induce the fight-or-flight response. Further study has

also shown that the use of certain devices designed to reduce this exposure may

in fact compensate for some of the negative impact of using a cell phone. Our

informal study demonstrates that these anti-EMF devices deserve further study.

We are fully committed to further research into the TESLAR technology's benefits

and so we are currently engaged in the process of gathering more research with

the assistance of the American Academy of Anti-Aging Medicine (A4M).

http://www.toolsforwellness.com/teslar.html

>

> Let's please all agree about one thing:

> There is no change to the electromagnetic field that is measurable when

> using these devices.

> No change in strength, nor frequency, nor waveform, nor anything else.

> All claims that they do something electromagnetically are without basis.

> After all, if you cannot demonstrate an electromagnetic difference, how can

> you say that one exists?

>

> Now, if these devices are doing something biologically, I couldn't say.

> People seem to like them. But that doesn't mean that they are doing

> something to the ambient EMF.

>

> Emil

>

> pendants and gizmos

>

> > Does anything one can wear block or counteract EMF effects? (Other than

> > metallic shielding...) Qlink, Teslar, Bioshield, Shuzi, strange dots to

> > put on a cell phone, things that claim to cancel fields....any of it

> > legitimate?

> >

> > a

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

December 2, 2009

<< " " Do you have any specific recommendations (maybe an Internet link?)

for a ferrite that can accommodate 10-20 turns of a USB cable? I

own a few ferrites, but the hole is only large enough for a cable

to pass through it a couple times (and frankly, I didn't like how

it felt using the ferrite this way)

Thanks!

Marc " " >>

There many different type of mix material types of ferrites some are not even

for absorbing RFI.

The most common material for reducing RFI on cables is mix " 43 " this material

has a wide frequency range for absorbing RF. It is very good and its recomended

for most rf recducing applications.

When you use ferites its best to have 2 one for each end, with each end wrapped

at least 10 times on the ferrite.

I remeber reading in my book " The ARRL RFI Book: Practical Cures for Radio

Frequency Interference " that its not recomended putting too many turns on som

cables like video and ethernet cables because with enough turns you might start

to lose some signal.

I dont know of any ferrite big enough to fit a vga cable with at least 10 turns,

the biggest ferrite torroid I know is " FT-290-43 " which has an inner diameter of

1.53 "

heresa link to a website that has a large selection of torroids as well as alot

of info

https://www.amidoncorp.com/categories/7

<<< " " Hi Christian

Â

Can you tell us how you made your home made Lakhovsky coil and where best to

site it for best results? Could anyone do this or do you need engineering

skills?

Â

Thanks

Steph " " >>>

The Lakhovsky coil is " " " SUPER " " " easy and cheap to make anyone can make one

heres a link with instructions on making one.

http://www.copperhealth.com/coil_instructions.htm

-Cristian

December 2, 2009

My position is exactly the same.

If you measure biological reactions, you can claim biological effects.

You cannot claim electromagnetic effects by measuring biological reactions.

There are many reasons why you might have biological effects. Why single out

electromagnetic effects as the cause, especially when you have no objective

evidence to support it? Why not point as some other possibility that has

equally low support?

I understand that you could have a hypothesis that there is some as yet

un-measureable electromagnetic effect. But at least be honest and admit that

it is only a theory.

Emil

pendants and gizmos

>>

>> > Does anything one can wear block or counteract EMF effects? (Other

>> > than

>> > metallic shielding...) Qlink, Teslar, Bioshield, Shuzi, strange dots

>> > to

>> > put on a cell phone, things that claim to cancel fields....any of it

>> > legitimate?

>> >

>> > a

>> >

>> > ------------------------------------

>> >

December 2, 2009

It is quite simple.

Regarding the EMF fields, no change can be measured, no matter what

everybody claims.

On the other hand, biological influence can be measured directly on persons,

as I did publish in the latest isuue of *het bitje*.

But thus biological effects must be measured especially.

What gizmo's do, is changing the body's perception of cosmic rays, which are

disturbed by the man made elektrosmog.

Greetings,

Claessens

member Verband Baubiologie

www.milieuziektes.nl

www.milieuziektes.be

www.hetbitje.nl

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pendants and gizmos

>>>

>>> > Does anything one can wear block or counteract EMF effects? (Other

>>> > than

>>> > metallic shielding...) Qlink, Teslar, Bioshield, Shuzi, strange dots

>>> > to

>>> > put on a cell phone, things that claim to cancel fields....any of it

>>> > legitimate?

>>> >

>>> > a

>>> >

>>> > ------------------------------------

>>> >

December 2, 2009

In a message dated 02/12/2009 22:03:29 GMT Standard Time,

roxalis@... writes:

one thing I've nailed down so far, just speaking for myself, is that EMF

causes a continual stressing effect. So anything I do that calms my system

down and gets me completely out of fight/flight will help to undo some of

the harm it does. Probably one reason among many meditation is so beneficial.

a

PUK replies - I agree with you, we must work hard to rerpair the

phychological damage that ES casts upon us, so anything that strengthens the

spirit

is a good thing.

December 2, 2009

and Emil, actually we are in agreement in that. I don't see how any

device that isn't a metal shield can stop frequencies which go through solid

matter. My hope is that these devices might work to strengthen the body in the

precise needed way or undo the effect that EMF is having. The one thing I've

nailed down so far, just speaking for myself, is that EMF causes a continual

stressing effect. So anything I do that calms my system down and gets me

completely out of fight/flight will help to undo some of the harm it does.

Probably one reason among many meditation is so beneficial.

a

> >>>

> >>> Let's please all agree about one thing:

> >>> There is no change to the electromagnetic field that is measurable when

> >>> using these devices.

> >>> No change in strength, nor frequency, nor waveform, nor anything else.

> >>> All claims that they do something electromagnetically are without basis.

> >>> After all, if you cannot demonstrate an electromagnetic difference, how

> >>> can

> >>> you say that one exists?

> >>>

> >>> Now, if these devices are doing something biologically, I couldn't say.

> >>> People seem to like them. But that doesn't mean that they are doing

> >>> something to the ambient EMF.

> >>>

> >>> Emil

> >>>

> >>> pendants and gizmos

> >>>

> >>> > Does anything one can wear block or counteract EMF effects? (Other

> >>> > than

> >>> > metallic shielding...) Qlink, Teslar, Bioshield, Shuzi, strange dots

> >>> > to

> >>> > put on a cell phone, things that claim to cancel fields....any of it

> >>> > legitimate?

> >>> >

> >>> > a

> >>> >

> >>> > ------------------------------------

> >>> >

December 2, 2009

This must be a flat panel then. Thanks for carifying Marc. Loni

From: Marc <marc@...>

Subject: Re: Re: pendants and gizmos

Date: Monday, November 30, 2009, 12:34 PM

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> Hi a, I guess my monitor is flat panel. It's a Dell & a couple of

> years old so looks flat to me.

Generally, when someone says " flat panel " , they mean the monitor screen

is less than a few inches deep. The older tube monitors had screens which

were a couple feet deep, and these are NOT flat panels...

Marc

December 3, 2009

Hi a

Â

Yes as I was posting that to you I thought about the titanium in the bracelet

and the fact that the Q link also has metal in it - which does seem to be

contradictory. Having said that though, they are at least supposed to offer some

protection from EMF, irrespective of however that is done, whether it helps the

body to cope with it biologically or what we don't seem to know, whereas,Â as

far as I know your average gold or silver bracelet doesn't necessarily offer EMF

protection. And then of course there is the post i have justÂ read from

BobÂ where he mentions the vibrational properties of silver, which makes me

think Â of digging out my silver necklace and putting it on again. I too am very

attached to my little bits of jewelry and miss wearing them but am foregoing

them for the time being to see if it makes a difference.

Â

I do wear an open Â bangle on my wrist which as magnets enclosed in two spheres

at each end which oddly enough seems to help - especially at night in bed when I

feel what I describe as the zzz zzz zzs coming up my body. I take off the bangle

and grasp the two spheres in my hand and after about 5-8 minutes or so the zzz

zzz zzzs dissipate and I don't feel them any more. If anyone could tell me what

is going on here i'd be glad to know but all I can relate is my experience that

it seems to help.

Â

Best wishes

Â

Steph

Â

From: roxalis@... <roxalis@...>

Subject: Re: pendants and gizmos

Date: Wednesday, 2 December, 2009, 6:14

Â

Hi Steph, thanks for the suggestion - I had never thought of metal jewelry being

an issue but I guess if people have metal fillings removed then metal jewelry

could matter too. I wear my jewelry most of the time and am quite attached to it

though! Still I may set up my own little science experiment to see - always

worth testing things. Aren't you concerned about the titanium in the bracelet?

That is metal for sure..but then the Qlink itself has metal in it also. I guess

the best answer is to keep on trying and testing every option, eh?

Thanks,

a

> >

> > > Does anything one can wear block or counteract EMF effects? (Other than

metallic shielding... )Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â Qlink, Teslar, Bioshield,

Shuzi, strange dots to put on a cell phone, things that claim to cancel

fields....any of it legitimate?

> > >

> > > a

> > >

> >

December 6, 2009

Hi there,

I have a theory on why the bracelet may relieve the buzzing. It seems to me like

it would be similar to those little toy chicks you hold in your hand that then

cheep. Your hand completes the circuit.

holding the balls both in one hand would also make a complete circuit, and

perhaps some of the excess electricity (zzzz) coming in from your body is then

dissipated out in the ring of the bracelet.

Being " attached " to the jewelry, lol, I think a lot of people understand that.

It does seem to pick up a resonance of the person's own energy when worn for a

period of time, perhaps giving a strengthen effect. Plus, any of it encircling

part of the body is short circuiting, or redirecting parts of your energy flow.

Something I found interesting, in times past how they would wear the metal

circlets like a headband or armband... I suspect that started as more than just

a fashion statement. I found a place that sells a silver band for the head to

help with migraines. I tried a little experiment with a few layers of foil to

use a band around my upper arm. It does seem to do something, sometimes more or

less. Haven't tried it in a long while.

I do notice I feel uncomfortable wearing a metal chain of any kind around my

neck, other than a magnetic and ceramic bead necklace I was given, and that will

sometimes bother me also. I pretty much don't do jewelry anymore, other than

pins.

~ Snoshoe

>

> I do wear an open Â bangle on my wrist which as magnets enclosed in two

spheres at each end which oddly enough seems to help - especially at night in

bed when I feel what I describe as the zzz zzz zzs coming up my body. I take off

the bangle and grasp the two spheres in my hand and after about 5-8 minutes or

so the zzz zzz zzzs dissipate and I don't feel them any more. If anyone could

tell me what is going on here i'd be glad to know but all I can relate is my

experience that it seems to help.

> Â

--------

> Hi Steph, thanks for the suggestion - I had never thought of metal jewelry

being an issue but I guess if people have metal fillings removed then metal

jewelry could matter too. I wear my jewelry most of the time and am quite

attached to it though! Still I may set up my own little science experiment to

see - always worth testing things. Aren't you concerned about the titanium in

the bracelet? That is metal for sure..but then the Qlink itself has metal in it

also. I guess the best answer is to keep on trying and testing every option, eh?

>

> Thanks,

> a

>

December 7, 2009

Thanks for the explanation Snoshoe - its also interesting about the jewelry

picking up a resonance of the person's own energfy.

Â

BW

Â

Steph

From: snoshoe_2 <snoshoe_2@...>

Subject: Re: pendants and gizmos

Date: Sunday, 6 December, 2009, 19:56