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> My chiropractor is pushing a detox footbath treatment -- and some of his

> patients swear it has helped them. The first one is free, so I tried it.

> I felt bad, but really it was becaue there were fluorescent lights in the

> room and I was stuck sitting there for a half hour. The colors and junk

> in the water was impressive (and they have charts about what each color

> means, of course).

>

> I was skeptical anyway, so I googled it when I got home and found a

> youtube video of a guy using the same kind of machine, hooked up to a

> carrot. The exact same thing happened to the water. Hmmmmm.......

>

> Anyway, have any of you had experience (good,bad) with foot detox baths

> (or pads). Is there any way it could actually be working, or is it just a

> scam -- like the carrot suggests?

>

> Amy

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> Anyway, have any of you had experience (good,bad) with foot detox baths

> (or pads). Is there any way it could actually be working, or is it just

> a scam -- like the carrot suggests?

I had a terrible experience with an ionic footbath. It set back my

recovery by at least a year. My ES got much worse. My fatigue got

much worse. I was suddenly sensitive to noise. All of these were

symptoms that I had years previously, and thought I had gotten over.

But after the ionic footbath, they were back. I even had brand

new symptoms that I never had before -- for example, terrible

bloat after eating anything.

So I would not assume it is purely a scam. It does indeed do something.

I know that some people rave about these -- even on this group,

has reported positive experiences, and lessening of ES symptoms for

his wife.

For me however, the ionic footbath seemed to have unleashed large

amounts of stored toxins, which then redistributed elsewhere and

caused damage. It may have also leached out nutrient minerals

that I was already deficient. I ended up spending many thousands

of dollars and many months to undo the damage from just a few of

these footbaths.

So I guess I'm the " worse case " scenario when it comes to these

footbaths. My chiro says that she has seen others with similarly

bad reactions to these footbaths, and this is the reason that

she does not have one in her office. But she admits that such

reactions are rare... like 1 person out of every 100.

Marc

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Amy,

The footbaths proved a great help to my mother, who suffers from uranium

poisoning (in addition to EHS). However, she used the device very carefully,

under the supervision of a doctor. I believe they started slowly, as Marc

suggested.

PS I've read that some of the colors in the water are simply from the reaction

of the salts and the copper, but I've also seen that the colors will vary quite

a bit depending on the person. For example, my bath water turns out

orange-brown, whereas my mother's is green-blue. I've also seen that the color

intensity and physical sensations are greater if the person is highly toxic, or

in " detox mode " , so to speak.

Matt

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>

> detox footbath

>

>

> > My chiropractor is pushing a detox footbath treatment -- and some of his

> > patients swear it has helped them. The first one is free, so I tried it.

> > I felt bad, but really it was becaue there were fluorescent lights in the

> > room and I was stuck sitting there for a half hour. The colors and junk

> > in the water was impressive (and they have charts about what each color

> > means, of course).

> >

> > I was skeptical anyway, so I googled it when I got home and found a

> > youtube video of a guy using the same kind of machine, hooked up to a

> > carrot. The exact same thing happened to the water. Hmmmmm.......

> >

> > Anyway, have any of you had experience (good,bad) with foot detox baths

> > (or pads). Is there any way it could actually be working, or is it just a

> > scam -- like the carrot suggests?

> >

> > Amy

> >

> >

> >

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> >

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I bought one - an expensive one.

No effect for me. And if you use distilled water it stays crystal

clear.

My friend used it and he got really ill - you are pumping electricity

into your body. So if you don't like electricity - stay away.

I have a feeling that it is a scam....

But if anyone wants one - it's for sale...

Bob

On 19-Jun-09, at 3:49 PM, matthew.osmond wrote:

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>

> Amy,

>

> The footbaths proved a great help to my mother, who suffers from

> uranium poisoning (in addition to EHS). However, she used the device

> very carefully, under the supervision of a doctor. I believe they

> started slowly, as Marc suggested.

>

> PS I've read that some of the colors in the water are simply from

> the reaction of the salts and the copper, but I've also seen that

> the colors will vary quite a bit depending on the person. For

> example, my bath water turns out orange-brown, whereas my mother's

> is green-blue. I've also seen that the color intensity and physical

> sensations are greater if the person is highly toxic, or in " detox

> mode " , so to speak.

>

> Matt

>

> >

> >

> > detox footbath

> >

> >

> > > My chiropractor is pushing a detox footbath treatment -- and

> some of his

> > > patients swear it has helped them. The first one is free, so I

> tried it.

> > > I felt bad, but really it was becaue there were fluorescent

> lights in the

> > > room and I was stuck sitting there for a half hour. The colors

> and junk

> > > in the water was impressive (and they have charts about what

> each color

> > > means, of course).

> > >

> > > I was skeptical anyway, so I googled it when I got home and

> found a

> > > youtube video of a guy using the same kind of machine, hooked up

> to a

> > > carrot. The exact same thing happened to the water. Hmmmmm.......

> > >

> > > Anyway, have any of you had experience (good,bad) with foot

> detox baths

> > > (or pads). Is there any way it could actually be working, or is

> it just a

> > > scam -- like the carrot suggests?

> > >

> > > Amy

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > >

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> PS I've read that some of the colors in the water are simply from the

> reaction of the salts and the copper, but I've also seen that the

> colors will vary quite a bit depending on the person. For example,

> my bath water turns out orange-brown, whereas my mother's is green-

> blue.

And the water after my footbaths was black/dark brown, which they said

was due to heavy metals/liver detox. The person who administered this

was rather shocked at the magnitude of what had gone into the water... I

certainly recall many local practitioners saying that they had never

encountered anyone who was as poisoned as I was... who knows, maybe

they say that sort of thing to everyone... :-)

Marc

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> No effect for me. And if you use distilled water it stays

> crystal clear.

That's the way it's supposed to work. The water needs to have some

minerals in it to conduct electricity so that the ions can get from the

emitter to your feet.

But yes, people sensitive to electricity certainly may have

a problem with this... although I think my reaction was

due to toxin mobilization / redistribution.

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> I bought one - an expensive one. No effect for me.

By the way, this short discussion illustrates the problems in finding

things to try -- you ask 3 people about some form of treatment, and one

person says it works great, another person says its the worst thing

they've ever done, and a third person said it made no difference.

So it's impossible for us to predict what will happen for any

specific person.

Marc

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Yep - they give you sea salt and the machine says to add salt until

the meter says stop. It needs to have a way to pass the current to

your body and the salt does the trick. However - as you know if there

is IRON in the water it goes red - - it all depends on the minerals

that are in the water the determins the color.

But - if you use distilled water with pure salt - the water stays

crystal clear. So - don't think that the toxins are coming out of

your body as a colour. That is a marketing gimic I think.

Plus - if you are EHS - you don't want to be pumping electricity into

your feet. Detox with other things that are chemical oriented. .

And beware of the far infrared sauna with ehs, - I bought one and the

magnetic fields are very high - it's like being beside an electrical

pannel. It removes the mercury in the sweat - but it's a yin yang

thng. Better to detox in a steam room or sweat lodge.

On 19-Jun-09, at 4:14 PM, Marc wrote:

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>

> > No effect for me. And if you use distilled water it stays

> > crystal clear.

>

> That's the way it's supposed to work. The water needs to have some

> minerals in it to conduct electricity so that the ions can get from

> the

> emitter to your feet.

>

> But yes, people sensitive to electricity certainly may have

> a problem with this... although I think my reaction was

> due to toxin mobilization / redistribution.

>

> Marc

>

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> However - as you know if there is IRON in the water it goes red - -

> it all depends on the minerals that are in the water the determine

> the color.

Well, not entirely... if 2 different people use the same footbath with

the same type of water and minerals in the water, one person may produce

greeny foamy stuff while another person may produce black sludge.

So it's more than just what's in the water.

> But - if you use distilled water with pure salt - the water stays

> crystal clear. So - don't think that the toxins are coming out of

> your body as a colour. That is a marketing gimic I think.

If you use distilled water, then the whole thing doesn't work, as

no ions reach your body. So that's simply misusing it, not the sign

of a gimmick.

But for me, the big problem occurred about 24 hours AFTER the footbath was

over. For the first 24 hours I actually felt really good. Then I

started dumping toxins, and I guess my body couldn't handle what was

being dumped. That is what makes it unsafe in my opinion. Some people

claim that the ionic footbath gives your body extra energy so that it can

detox itself over the next 48 hours. That pretty much matches my

experience, except that the detox did more harm than good.

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Hi, Marc,

 

you wrote:

" By the way, this short discussion illustrates the problems in finding

things to try -- you ask 3 people about some form of treatment, and one

person says it works great, another person says its the worst thing

they've ever done, and a third person said it made no difference. "

yes, true!  but you can see a bit of reason in it if you read between the

lines.  for instance, Bob did not use correctly and reacted further to it being

an electrical device.  you, on the other hand, Marc, had what doctors thought

was a very thorough (perhaps bad) detox session and your body reacted as tho it

was a bad detox.  's wife may have used the footbath less time, had less

toxins, or different types of toxins....   there are just so many variables

involved, no 2 of us are exactly alike.  that is why we have to be fairly

exacting, as well, when we say something works for us.  i am remembering the

discussions we had over D3.  you said it didn't work for you, but in the end we

were talking apples and oranges because we were taking 2 totally different

supplements. 

 

d

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Subject: Re: Re: detox footbath

Date: Friday, June 19, 2009, 4:19 PM

> I bought one - an expensive one. No effect for me.

By the way, this short discussion illustrates the problems in finding

things to try -- you ask 3 people about some form of treatment, and one

person says it works great, another person says its the worst thing

they've ever done, and a third person said it made no difference.

So it's impossible for us to predict what will happen for any

specific person.

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My hunch is the detox/herx problem has to do with the cell walls not

having adequate protection (and weakened organs overloaded). Thus, the

reintroduction of toxins back into cells causing the horrible feeling.

My underlying thesis is that our myelin sheath and other fatty based

substances, like phospholipid cell walls, brain, etc. are being

attacked and eroded by Measles type auto-immune diseases IN ADDITION to

pesticides, mercury, mold and god knows what else.

Rebuilding our protection, the cell wall, the nerve sheath, the blood

brain barrier is key to recovery to stop going backwards into more

trouble.

What can do this?

Stopping the auto-immune disease is important as well as

eating/supplementing with good fats (krill oil, coconut, grass fed

animal fats, etc.)

I don't recommend doing any aggressive detoxing until one is confident

that your body can process it all the way out and not just pass it

around. OSR supposedly can do this. I have not had ANY herx reactions

using OSR.

Repairing and rebuilding the gut (80% of our immune system) is key as

well as killing off the intruders (Lyme, Mold mycoplasma, EBV, etc.)

I say err on the side of rebuilding and killing vs. chelation/ pulling

out metals.

Lightening the load on your kidneys and liver is good. Processing the

stuff out through the skin helps. Just not too fast. Sweating is good.

Go slow and easy.

my 2 cents,

On Jun 19, 2009, at 4:54 PM, Marc wrote:

>> However - as you know if there is IRON in the water it goes red - -

>> it all depends on the minerals that are in the water the determine

>> the color.

>

> Well, not entirely... if 2 different people use the same footbath with

> the same type of water and minerals in the water, one person may

> produce

> greeny foamy stuff while another person may produce black sludge.

> So it's more than just what's in the water.

>

>> But - if you use distilled water with pure salt - the water stays

>> crystal clear. So - don't think that the toxins are coming out of

>> your body as a colour. That is a marketing gimic I think.

>

> If you use distilled water, then the whole thing doesn't work, as

> no ions reach your body. So that's simply misusing it, not the sign

> of a gimmick.

>

> But for me, the big problem occurred about 24 hours AFTER the footbath

> was

> over. For the first 24 hours I actually felt really good. Then I

> started dumping toxins, and I guess my body couldn't handle what was

> being dumped. That is what makes it unsafe in my opinion. Some people

> claim that the ionic footbath gives your body extra energy so that it

> can

> detox itself over the next 48 hours. That pretty much matches my

> experience, except that the detox did more harm than good.

>

> Marc

>

>

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I agree about the comment regarding far infrared saunas; I was really excited

when I first read about them, but then had the chance to test one out, and the

magnetic and electric readings were very high for someone whose very concern is

that!

>

>

> > No effect for me. And if you use distilled water it stays

> > crystal clear.

>

> That's the way it's supposed to work. The water needs to have some

> minerals in it to conduct electricity so that the ions can get from

> the

> emitter to your feet.

>

> But yes, people sensitive to electricity certainly may have

> a problem with this... although I think my reaction was

> due to toxin mobilization / redistribution.

>

> Marc

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hi, ,

 

i am a big fan of epsom salts baths and i like baking soda baths too.  note tho

that when i first began the epsom salts baths it caused the firey burning, like

Joni and i were discussing happened with homeopathy.  i have had this same firey

burning feeling with a number of things which i have tried, including use of an

infrared mouse for my computer.  significant improvement always follows this

reaction, but it is far from pleasant at the time.  only homeopathic caused the

burning for more than a short period (minutes or a couple hours)tho.  i mention

this because many might try the epsom salts, get the burning, and never go there

again.  i consider the baths a large part of my treatment.

 

diane

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Subject: Detox Footbath

Date: Friday, June 19, 2009, 6:34 PM

My acupuncturist who has treated me for EMF and other sensitivities and

allergies has recommended I do Epsom salt foot baths for 20 minutes each day. He

said it helps detox after the treatments. I have been doing them for over a year

and find I can skip a couple days, but if I skip about 5 days I start to feel

worse. Then if I do one I immediately feel better. I also notice if I'm feeling

particularly bad, my feet absorb all the Epsom salt and there is none left after

the 20 minutes. Most times there is some left. I've never had an adverse

reaction and it is cheap compared to other detox products.

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How much Epsom Salts do you use in the footbath?

How hot is the water? (medium/hot/very hot?)

Regards,

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> My acupuncturist who has treated me for EMF and other sensitivities and

allergies has recommended I do Epsom salt foot baths for 20 minutes each day.

He said it helps detox after the treatments. I have been doing them for over a

year and find I can skip a couple days, but if I skip about 5 days I start to

feel worse. Then if I do one I immediately feel better. I also notice if I'm

feeling particularly bad, my feet absorb all the Epsom salt and there is none

left after the 20 minutes. Most times there is some left. I've never had an

adverse reaction and it is cheap compared to other detox products.

>

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> By the way, this short discussion illustrates the problems in finding

> things to try -- you ask 3 people about some form of treatment, and one

> person says it works great, another person says its the worst thing

> they've ever done, and a third person said it made no difference.

>

> So it's impossible for us to predict what will happen for any

> specific person.

This point is so important it is well worth repeated from time to time.

Emil

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Hi Diane

 

I have just seen this about Epsom salts - you do the full baths - how much do

you put into a bath - how hot do you have the water and how often do you do

them?

 

I only have access to a shower at the moment so if I was just to d a foot bath

how much Epsoms salts should I use for that do you think?

BW

 

Steph

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Date: Friday, June 19, 2009, 6:34 PM

My acupuncturist who has treated me for EMF and other sensitivities and

allergies has recommended I do Epsom salt foot baths for 20 minutes each day. He

said it helps detox after the treatments. I have been doing them for over a year

and find I can skip a couple days, but if I skip about 5 days I start to feel

worse. Then if I do one I immediately feel better. I also notice if I'm feeling

particularly bad, my feet absorb all the Epsom salt and there is none left after

the 20 minutes. Most times there is some left. I've never had an adverse

reaction and it is cheap compared to other detox products.

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Hi steph. I used to do a decent cupfull after work in a foot bath , I think you

need to tailor it to suit yourself. The problem ive had since being back in the

uk is finding decent quailty epsom salts. What i find works just as well is

natural sea salt crystals , that one dissolves first on heat  and then adds to

the foot bath water. I again use quite high quantities in myand find that the

tescos do a nice brand which I forget what its called , but begins with M.

 

Ada

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Date: Friday, June 19, 2009, 6:34 PM

My acupuncturist who has treated me for EMF and other sensitivities and

allergies has recommended I do Epsom salt foot baths for 20 minutes each day. He

said it helps detox after the treatments. I have been doing them for over a year

and find I can skip a couple days, but if I skip about 5 days I start to feel

worse. Then if I do one I immediately feel better. I also notice if I'm feeling

particularly bad, my feet absorb all the Epsom salt and there is none left after

the 20 minutes. Most times there is some left. I've never had an adverse

reaction and it is cheap compared to other detox products.

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hi, Steph,

 

(great to see you back at the forum from your surgery, btw!)  start out slow

with the ep. salts--about a forth to a half cup would be sufficient the first

time.  you can put up to whatever your body absorbs in 20-25 minutes, after you

get past any burning/etc sensations.  for me, this is about 2 pounds/ tub of

comfortably hot water.  less than that if i take the soaks more often than every

5 to 7 days.  right now i rotate with sea salts and baking soda, so i don't take

the ep salts baths as often.

 

gee, for footbath....  maybe start with only a teaspoon!  do the same--add more

as the footbath desolves it.  but again, start slowly--you don't need to stay 20

mins if you start burning in 3!  not everyone gets burning, but just know you

can.  it doesn't last days/weeks like homeopathy, but if it begins, get out.

 

glad to see you, Steph!

diane

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Subject: Detox Footbath

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Date: Friday, June 19, 2009, 6:34 PM

My acupuncturist who has treated me for EMF and other sensitivities and

allergies has recommended I do Epsom salt foot baths for 20 minutes each day. He

said it helps detox after the treatments. I have been doing them for over a year

and find I can skip a couple days, but if I skip about 5 days I start to feel

worse. Then if I do one I immediately feel better. I also notice if I'm feeling

particularly bad, my feet absorb all the Epsom salt and there is none left after

the 20 minutes. Most times there is some left. I've never had an adverse

reaction and it is cheap compared to other detox products.

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Diane , how much baking soda do you use ? Does it feel any different to sea

salt  or epsom salts ? wondering what the rationale is.

 

Ada

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Subject: Detox Footbath

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Date: Friday, June 19, 2009, 6:34 PM

My acupuncturist who has treated me for EMF and other sensitivities and

allergies has recommended I do Epsom salt foot baths for 20 minutes each day. He

said it helps detox after the treatments. I have been doing them for over a year

and find I can skip a couple days, but if I skip about 5 days I start to feel

worse. Then if I do one I immediately feel better. I also notice if I'm feeling

particularly bad, my feet absorb all the Epsom salt and there is none left after

the 20 minutes. Most times there is some left. I've never had an adverse

reaction and it is cheap compared to other detox products.

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hi Ada,

 

i use about 12 oz usually in a tub of comfortably hot water  (sometimes i have

used only 8 oz. and other times up to 1 pound)  yes, there is a difference with

baking soda.  it detoxes various kinds of radiation and helps repair the aura,

according to what i have read.  i have recently been studying energy systems in

the body--meridians, chakras, the aura, the radiant currents....  one of the

protection energy systems is the aura.  the aura is an energy field which serves

to block out forms of radiation and emfs.  if there is a hole in the aura, then

emfs will penetrate the body more easily.

 

ep salts detoxes and adds magnesium to the body, sea salts detoxes parasitic

invaders well.  i rotate these with the baking soda baths.

 

diane

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Subject: Detox Footbath

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Date: Friday, June 19, 2009, 6:34 PM

My acupuncturist who has treated me for EMF and other sensitivities and

allergies has recommended I do Epsom salt foot baths for 20 minutes each day. He

said it helps detox after the treatments. I have been doing them for over a year

and find I can skip a couple days, but if I skip about 5 days I start to feel

worse. Then if I do one I immediately feel better. I also notice if I'm feeling

particularly bad, my feet absorb all the Epsom salt and there is none left after

the 20 minutes. Most times there is some left. I've never had an adverse

reaction and it is cheap compared to other detox products.

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When I first got symptoms a year or so back , I had a lot of energy work done by

a woman who had trained with Donna Eden. It really helped me in that I started a

practice of doing the drills daily. It is without doubt a big contributor in

keeping me stable I think ( along with accupuncture, regular massages , chgung

and yoga) I find doing the zip up exerise before bed  makes a real difference to

how I feel in the mornings. What drills do you do  and what helps you the most

?. I also find using the reiki symbols helps to protect the aura as well.

 

Ada

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Subject: Detox Footbath

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Date: Friday, June 19, 2009, 6:34 PM

My acupuncturist who has treated me for EMF and other sensitivities and

allergies has recommended I do Epsom salt foot baths for 20 minutes each day. He

said it helps detox after the treatments. I have been doing them for over a year

and find I can skip a couple days, but if I skip about 5 days I start to feel

worse. Then if I do one I immediately feel better. I also notice if I'm feeling

particularly bad, my feet absorb all the Epsom salt and there is none left after

the 20 minutes. Most times there is some left. I've never had an adverse

reaction and it is cheap compared to other detox products.

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hi, Ada,

 

Donna Eden wrote the book i had been studying!  i do the " spinal flush " --or

should say, hubby does it on me.  that is also known as " lymphatic massage " .  i

also find " the 3 thumps " , " the cross crawl " ,  " the crown pull " , " the hook-up " ,

and the " zip-up " help.  the zip-up works better after my bath for some reason. 

i also wave a small towel in figure 8s all around me to help heal my aura--i see

a small difference on days i do that.  i am starting into tracing meridians,

mainly because i thought it might help heal my nerves that were severed and

reattached in my hand.  too early to tell, but accupressure on my feet surely

brings on sensations aplenty in my hand!   

 

i don't really do any of these on a regular daily basis.  lately, the lymphatic

massage is most often, because hubby had to take off work to care for me.  the

exercises would probably help more if i were consistent but i have been hanging

on by the seat of my pants lately.  ;)  between rehabbing a house, caring for an

alzheimers dad, and my accident, life has gotten pretty messy here.  what do you

mean by using reiki symbols, Ada?

 

d

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Subject: Detox Footbath

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Date: Friday, June 19, 2009, 6:34 PM

My acupuncturist who has treated me for EMF and other sensitivities and

allergies has recommended I do Epsom salt foot baths for 20 minutes each day. He

said it helps detox after the treatments. I have been doing them for over a year

and find I can skip a couple days, but if I skip about 5 days I start to feel

worse. Then if I do one I immediately feel better. I also notice if I'm feeling

particularly bad, my feet absorb all the Epsom salt and there is none left after

the 20 minutes. Most times there is some left. I've never had an adverse

reaction and it is cheap compared to other detox products.

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My reiki teacher- gave  me some symbols to trace in my aura, each morning before

i go out. I find it helps keep other people's energies  in check (usefull in my

line of work). I tend to be very sensitive to strong energies/vibes call them

what you like , and the reiki symbols seems to offer some degree of protection.

call it placebo , psycho somatic whatever it helps me. He is a great healer, by

the way if you are anywhere near Berlin or Vienna. he works in both of those

cities  i think furt as well.

 

 

Ada

From: andrea98321 <andrea98321>

Subject: Detox Footbath

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Date: Friday, June 19, 2009, 6:34 PM

My acupuncturist who has treated me for EMF and other sensitivities and

allergies has recommended I do Epsom salt foot baths for 20 minutes each day. He

said it helps detox after the treatments. I have been doing them for over a year

and find I can skip a couple days, but if I skip about 5 days I start to feel

worse. Then if I do one I immediately feel better. I also notice if I'm feeling

particularly bad, my feet absorb all the Epsom salt and there is none left after

the 20 minutes. Most times there is some left. I've never had an adverse

reaction and it is cheap compared to other detox products.

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