MSG may be half the problem?

[Guest guest]

I have been very conscious lately of avoiding any food that

might possibly have glutamate (MSG). It's not easy--even Trader Joe's

*organic* salad dressing has hydrolyzed vegetable protein (something

like 40% glutamate). Meat has glutamate, and I'm still eating it,

but less.

I just ate some soup at a " good " restaurant. As soon as I tasted it I

became

suspicious (tasted extra salty... yet not like when you add a lot of salt

yourself). But I ate it and now sure enough my EHS symptoms are worse...

I'm now of the opinion that MSG should be avoided vigilantly. It's a known

neurotoxin. Lots of non EHS people feel the same way...see

truthInLabeling.org...

Theoretically, zinc may be a first-aid remedy for MSG...

[Guest guest]

Really? Zinc compensates for MSG? WOW cool! I take Tri-salts and Buffered Vit

C when I have mild chemical exposures and for heavier ones I take them in

powered form in water and drink.

HOw much Zinc? What brand?

Kris

________________________________

From: Bill Bruno <wbruno@...>

Sent: Tue, March 23, 2010 4:22:21 PM

Subject: MSG may be half the problem?

I have been very conscious lately of avoiding any food that

might possibly have glutamate (MSG). It's not easy--even Trader Joe's

*organic* salad dressing has hydrolyzed vegetable protein (something

like 40% glutamate). Meat has glutamate, and I'm still eating it,

but less.

I just ate some soup at a " good " restaurant. As soon as I tasted it I

became

suspicious (tasted extra salty... yet not like when you add a lot of salt

yourself). But I ate it and now sure enough my EHS symptoms are worse...

I'm now of the opinion that MSG should be avoided vigilantly. It's a known

neurotoxin. Lots of non EHS people feel the same way...see

truthInLabeling.org...

Theoretically, zinc may be a first-aid remedy for MSG...

[Guest guest]

I said theoretically. I am trying zinc picolinate.

Another thing to try is quercetin.

On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 4:27 PM, K <kfarming@...> wrote:

>

>

> Really? Zinc compensates for MSG? WOW cool! I take Tri-salts and Buffered

> Vit C when I have mild chemical exposures and for heavier ones I take them

> in powered form in water and drink.

> HOw much Zinc? What brand?

> Kris

>

> ________________________________

> From: Bill Bruno <wbruno@... <wbruno%40gmail.com>>

> <%40>

> Sent: Tue, March 23, 2010 4:22:21 PM

> Subject: MSG may be half the problem?

>

>

> I have been very conscious lately of avoiding any food that

> might possibly have glutamate (MSG). It's not easy--even Trader Joe's

> *organic* salad dressing has hydrolyzed vegetable protein (something

> like 40% glutamate). Meat has glutamate, and I'm still eating it,

> but less.

>

> I just ate some soup at a " good " restaurant. As soon as I tasted it I

> became

> suspicious (tasted extra salty... yet not like when you add a lot of salt

> yourself). But I ate it and now sure enough my EHS symptoms are worse...

>

> I'm now of the opinion that MSG should be avoided vigilantly. It's a known

> neurotoxin. Lots of non EHS people feel the same way...see

> truthInLabeling.org...

>

> Theoretically, zinc may be a first-aid remedy for MSG...

>

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 23/03/2010 22:38:50 GMT Standard Time, wbruno@...

writes:

I said theoretically. I am trying zinc picolinate.

Another thing to try is quercetin.

On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 4:27 PM, K <kfarming@...> wrote:

>

>

> Really? Zinc compensates for MSG? WOW cool! I take Tri-salts and Buffered

> Vit C when I have mild chemical exposures and for heavier ones I take

them

> in powered form in water and drink.

> HOw much Zinc? What brand?

> Kris

>

> ________________________________

> From: Bill Bruno <wbruno@... <wbruno%40gmail.com>>

> <%40>

> Sent: Tue, March 23, 2010 4:22:21 PM

> Subject: MSG may be half the problem?

>

>

> I have been very conscious lately of avoiding any food that

> might possibly have glutamate (MSG). It's not easy--even Trader Joe's

> *organic* salad dressing has hydrolyzed vegetable protein (something

> like 40% glutamate). Meat has glutamate, and I'm still eating it,

> but less.

>

> I just ate some soup at a " good " restaurant. As soon as I tasted it I

> became

> suspicious (tasted extra salty... yet not like when you add a lot of salt

> yourself). But I ate it and now sure enough my EHS symptoms are worse...

>

> I'm now of the opinion that MSG should be avoided vigilantly. It's a

known

> neurotoxin. Lots of non EHS people feel the same way...see

> truthInLabeling.org...

>

> Theoretically, zinc may be a first-aid remedy for MSG...

>

PUK REPLIES - I think that you are correct any additives like this are best

avoided, I am definately worse after stuffing my face with all and sundry

!

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 23/03/2010 22:38:50 GMT Standard Time, wbruno@...

writes:

>

> I have been very conscious lately of avoiding any food that

> might possibly have glutamate (MSG). It's not easy--even Trader Joe's

> *organic* salad dressing has hydrolyzed vegetable protein (something

> like 40% glutamate). Meat has glutamate, and I'm still eating it,

> but less.

puk replies - can you remind us of the different names guises this product

comes in ?

[Guest guest]

http://www.msgmyth.com/hidename.htm

This is a good site to refer to about the hidden names of MSG

Kris

________________________________

From: " paulpjc@... " <paulpjc@...>

Sent: Wed, March 24, 2010 4:59:53 AM

Subject: Re: MSG may be half the problem?

In a message dated 23/03/2010 22:38:50 GMT Standard Time, wbruno@...

writes:

>

> I have been very conscious lately of avoiding any food that

> might possibly have glutamate (MSG). It's not easy--even Trader Joe's

> *organic* salad dressing has hydrolyzed vegetable protein (something

> like 40% glutamate). Meat has glutamate, and I'm still eating it,

> but less.

puk replies - can you remind us of the different names guises this product

comes in ?

[Guest guest]

hydrolyzed protein or any caseinate mean lots of glutamate.

Natural flavors can imply glutamate too.

I recommend the books " Excitotoxins the taste that kills "

and " Secrets of Nutrition " , although they are fairly dense,

written by a neurosurgeon whose father died of Parkinson's.

Bill

On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 3:59 AM, <paulpjc@...> wrote:

>

>

>

> In a message dated 23/03/2010 22:38:50 GMT Standard Time,

wbruno@...<wbruno%40gmail.com>

> writes:

>

> >

> > I have been very conscious lately of avoiding any food that

> > might possibly have glutamate (MSG). It's not easy--even Trader Joe's

> > *organic* salad dressing has hydrolyzed vegetable protein (something

> > like 40% glutamate). Meat has glutamate, and I'm still eating it,

> > but less.

>

> puk replies - can you remind us of the different names guises this product

> comes in ?

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Based on that secondary list we can't eat anything!

> From: K <kfarming@...>

> Subject: Re: MSG may be half the problem?

>

> Date: Wednesday, March 24, 2010, 7:52 AM

> http://www.msgmyth.com/hidename.htm

>

> This is a good site to refer to about the hidden names of

> MSG

> Kris

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: " paulpjc@... "

> <paulpjc@...>

>

> Sent: Wed, March 24, 2010 4:59:53 AM

> Subject: Re: MSG may be half the problem?

>

>

> In a message dated 23/03/2010 22:38:50 GMT Standard Time,

> wbruno@... 

>

> writes:

>

> >

> > I have been very conscious lately of avoiding any

> food  that

> > might possibly have glutamate (MSG). It's not

> easy--even Trader  Joe's

> > *organic* salad dressing has hydrolyzed vegetable

> protein  (something

> > like 40% glutamate). Meat has glutamate, and I'm

> still  eating it,

> > but less.

>

>

>

> puk replies - can you remind us of the different names

> guises this product 

> comes in ?

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

nope you cant!

________________________________

From: Steve G <torch369@...>

Sent: Wed, March 24, 2010 10:26:30 AM

Subject: Re: MSG may be half the problem?

Based on that secondary list we can't eat anything!

> From: K <kfarming@...>

> Subject: Re: MSG may be half the problem?

>

> Date: Wednesday, March 24, 2010, 7:52 AM

> http://www.msgmyth.com/hidename.htm

>

> This is a good site to refer to about the hidden names of

> MSG

> Kris

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: " paulpjc@... "

> <paulpjc@...>

>

> Sent: Wed, March 24, 2010 4:59:53 AM

> Subject: Re: MSG may be half the problem?

>

>

> In a message dated 23/03/2010 22:38:50 GMT Standard Time,

> wbruno@...

>

> writes:

>

> >

> > I have been very conscious lately of avoiding any

> food that

> > might possibly have glutamate (MSG). It's not

> easy--even Trader Joe's

> > *organic* salad dressing has hydrolyzed vegetable

> protein (something

> > like 40% glutamate). Meat has glutamate, and I'm

> still eating it,

> > but less.

>

>

>

> puk replies - can you remind us of the different names

> guises this product

> comes in ?

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> Based on that secondary list we can't eat anything!

You can still eat from the fruits and vegetables aisle...

probably a good thing to do for anyone!

Marc

[Guest guest]

everything must be made from scratch. Even your broths for soup.

Kris

________________________________

From: Marc <marc@...>

Sent: Wed, March 24, 2010 1:38:13 PM

Subject: Re: MSG may be half the problem?

> Based on that secondary list we can't eat anything!

You can still eat from the fruits and vegetables aisle...

probably a good thing to do for anyone!

Marc

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[Guest guest]

For a while in the US, MSG was an ingredient in

pesticides. It may still be used elsewhere...

The Excitotoxin book says avoid as much glutamate

as you can, and take things like acetyl-L-carnitine,

also ALA, taurine...

On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 2:00 PM, K <kfarming@...> wrote:

>

>

> everything must be made from scratch. Even your broths for soup.

> Kris

>

> ________________________________

> From: Marc <marc@... <marc%40ufoseries.com>>

> <%40>

> Sent: Wed, March 24, 2010 1:38:13 PM

>

> Subject: Re: MSG may be half the problem?

>

> > Based on that secondary list we can't eat anything!

>

> You can still eat from the fruits and vegetables aisle...

> probably a good thing to do for anyone!

>

> Marc

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi, Kris,

 

You write:

everything must be made from scratch. Even your broths for soup.

(me:)

Yes, that is the way I go, too.  About the only thing I still buy manufactured

are corn tortillas and I am having problems now finding the healthy(ier) brand

locally.

 

Diane

From: K <kfarming@...>

Subject: Re: MSG may be half the problem?

Date: Wednesday, March 24, 2010, 4:00 PM

 

everything must be made from scratch. Even your broths for soup.

Kris

____________ _________ _________ __

From: Marc <marcufoseries (DOT) com>

groups (DOT) com

Sent: Wed, March 24, 2010 1:38:13 PM

Subject: Re: MSG may be half the problem?

> Based on that secondary list we can't eat anything!

You can still eat from the fruits and vegetables aisle...

probably a good thing to do for anyone!

Marc

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[Guest guest]

I've noticed some I can tolerate and others not, but hadn't realized it could be

a brand issue. What brand of corn tortillas do you buy usually?

I do get an organic Free Range Chicken and Beef broth from Pacific foods that I

can tolerate really well. That helps a lot to have these as the base of my

cooking.

Kris

________________________________

From: Evie <evie15422@...>

Sent: Thu, March 25, 2010 2:47:08 PM

Subject: Re: MSG may be half the problem?

Hi, Kris,

You write:

everything must be made from scratch. Even your broths for soup.

(me:)

Yes, that is the way I go, too. About the only thing I still buy manufactured

are corn tortillas and I am having problems now finding the healthy(ier) brand

locally.

Diane

From: K <kfarming@...>

Subject: Re: MSG may be half the problem?

Date: Wednesday, March 24, 2010, 4:00 PM

everything must be made from scratch. Even your broths for soup.

Kris

____________ _________ _________ __

From: Marc <marcufoseries (DOT) com>

groups (DOT) com

Sent: Wed, March 24, 2010 1:38:13 PM

Subject: Re: MSG may be half the problem?

> Based on that secondary list we can't eat anything!

You can still eat from the fruits and vegetables aisle...

probably a good thing to do for anyone!

Marc

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[Guest guest]

Hi Kris,

 

I buy Azteca corn tortillas, usually.  They didn't used to have anything in

them but water, corn, and lime juice when I started buying them.  Awhile back

they began adding fumaric acid but now the new ones I bought have also a

calcium preservative and guar gum.  I think this is bad news, so I am either

going to look for a new brand or going to make my own.  I use guar gum, that

isn't the issue; the issue is they are no longer pure ingredients--too many

additives now. 

 

Diane

From: K <kfarming (DOT) com>

Subject: Re: MSG may be half the problem?

groups (DOT) com

Date: Wednesday, March 24, 2010, 4:00 PM

everything must be made from scratch. Even your broths for soup.

Kris

____________ _________ _________ __

From: Marc <marcufoseries (DOT) com>

groups (DOT) com

Sent: Wed, March 24, 2010 1:38:13 PM

Subject: Re: MSG may be half the problem?

> Based on that secondary list we can't eat anything!

You can still eat from the fruits and vegetables aisle...

probably a good thing to do for anyone!

Marc

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[Guest guest]

Ooops, Kris,

 

Sent too soon.  Was going to mention I had problems with Pacific Foods

broths.  They seemed to be contaminated with gluten and they specifically say

gf!  So if you have problems with being very sensitive to glutens, be

especially careful of that brand. (But I have seen the same problem with other

brands too--it is like playing Russian roulette when I use canned broth.  It is

the one item which I never know ahead of time whether it is going to cause a

reaction.  I had to begin making my own due to that. 

 

Be well, Diane

From: K <kfarming (DOT) com>

Subject: Re: MSG may be half the problem?

groups (DOT) com

Date: Wednesday, March 24, 2010, 4:00 PM

everything must be made from scratch. Even your broths for soup.

Kris

____________ _________ _________ __

From: Marc <marcufoseries (DOT) com>

groups (DOT) com

Sent: Wed, March 24, 2010 1:38:13 PM

Subject: Re: MSG may be half the problem?

> Based on that secondary list we can't eat anything!

You can still eat from the fruits and vegetables aisle...

probably a good thing to do for anyone!

Marc

------------ --------- --------- ------

[Guest guest]

It's not the gluten that I am allergic to, I have a mild wheat allergy due to

candida issues. I seem to do fine with these broths but then again I always

have a headache( that's usually my symptom) so who knows what it's from these

days. too many variables. I can understand about other ingredients in the

tortillas. Wish I paid more attention(while working at an orphanage in Mexico

how to make them from scratch.

Kris

________________________________

From: Evie <evie15422@...>

Sent: Sat, March 27, 2010 5:04:11 PM

Subject: Re: MSG may be half the problem?

Ooops, Kris,

Sent too soon. Was going to mention I had problems with Pacific Foods broths.

They seemed to be contaminated with gluten and they specifically say gf! So if

you have problems with being very sensitive to glutens, be especially careful of

that brand. (But I have seen the same problem with other brands too--it is like

playing Russian roulette when I use canned broth. It is the one item which I

never know ahead of time whether it is going to cause a reaction. I had to

begin making my own due to that.

Be well, Diane

From: K <kfarming (DOT) com>

Subject: Re: MSG may be half the problem?

groups (DOT) com

Date: Wednesday, March 24, 2010, 4:00 PM

everything must be made from scratch. Even your broths for soup.

Kris

____________ _________ _________ __

From: Marc <marcufoseries (DOT) com>

groups (DOT) com

Sent: Wed, March 24, 2010 1:38:13 PM

Subject: Re: MSG may be half the problem?

> Based on that secondary list we can't eat anything!

You can still eat from the fruits and vegetables aisle...

probably a good thing to do for anyone!

Marc

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[Guest guest]

I just looked up Pacific Food Beef broth,

contains " autolyzed yeast extract " which is

another form of glutamate (MSG).

It just occurred to me I did have tick bites several

years ago... I don't think it was the Lyme disease

kind, but not positive. Are there other diseases

I can get tested for?

On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 3:57 PM, Evie <evie15422@...> wrote:

>

>

> Hi Kris,

>

> I buy Azteca corn tortillas, usually. They didn't used to have anything in

> them but water, corn, and lime juice when I started buying them. Awhile

> back they began adding fumaric acid but now the new ones I bought have also

> a calcium preservative and guar gum. I think this is bad news, so I am

> either going to look for a new brand or going to make my own. I use guar

> gum, that isn't the issue; the issue is they are no longer pure

> ingredients--too many additives now.

>

> Diane

>

>

>

>

> From: K <kfarming (DOT) com>

> Subject: Re: MSG may be half the problem?

> groups (DOT) com

> Date: Wednesday, March 24, 2010, 4:00 PM

>

> everything must be made from scratch. Even your broths for soup.

> Kris

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> From: Marc <marcufoseries (DOT) com>

> groups (DOT) com

> Sent: Wed, March 24, 2010 1:38:13 PM

> Subject: Re: MSG may be half the problem?

>

> > Based on that secondary list we can't eat anything!

>

> You can still eat from the fruits and vegetables aisle...

> probably a good thing to do for anyone!

>

> Marc

>

> ------------ --------- --------- ------

>

>