Guest guest Posted June 8, 2004 Report Share Posted June 8, 2004 Hello Konstantin, It is not clear why you sleep head to the north. There are no general rules for that. It depends on the person involved. Read a book about Feng Shui , by f.i. Lilian Too. If this opposite side is an outside wall, than you must shiel that one. If it is an inside wall, than you should shield the rooms behind this wall. Otherwise, when you shiled your inside wall, and behind this wall is your living room, you will get the RF from outside, plus the reflection from your bedroom wall. The guy that measured should tell you direction and sources, as well as the frequency involved. Depending on the used shielding materials, you may bring the RF down to acceptable levels. Greetings, Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.hetbitje.nl checked by Norton Antivirus Re: Meter Readings > > > > > > > Thank you, . > > > I had a professional company measure it in my home > > > using $8,000 equipment as they claimed. The > > > measurements in my bedroom were 0.0187 uW/cm2 and > > > 0.0250 uW/cm2. The rest of the house was 0.0187 > > uW/cm2 > > > everywhere, except slightly higher in the kitchen > > and > > > much higher right near PC. > > > My biggest concern is a cell tower that is 200-250 > > > meter away from me, but I realize there could be > > other > > > sources even though my town is partially > > surrounded by > > > water. Is it reasonable to expect much lower > > reading > > > in other homes with no shielding in place, > > > specifically other homes near Boston area? I live > > 30 > > > north of Boston, and even though I do realize that > > > radiation free zone does not exist on this planet, > > I > > > wanted to see if there are areas for me to live > > that > > > can achieve 0.0001 this uW/cm2. > > > > > > > > > Also, how effective is shielding? What shielding > > > products would you recommend for a person who is > > not > > > sensitive to EMF / RF? > > > > > > Thank you. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 30, 2004 Report Share Posted June 30, 2004 Hi, I live in Boston, MA, so US company is more convinient to order from. I will consider expensive products if I know for sure they work much better and that they pose absolutely no health risks. I am not sure what you mean by different wave types. Thanks again for your help. --- charles <cclaessens@...> wrote: > Hello Emil > > regarding your advise I have a number of but's. > > As I recall correctly, Konstantin does not live in > the USA. > So, a German company is closer to him. > > The products I mentioned he finds already too > expensive. > > Of course a paint is a good solution, but is not so > good for > do-it-yourselves. > It needs to be earthed correctly by an electricien, > because the paint > itsself is electricity guidant. > That means, if you hit a nail into the wall, and you > touch by accident an > conduit line, the whole wall stands under AC > current. > > The transparent windowpane films are much more > expensive than the materials > I suggested. > Of course, there are better materials, but with a > special price tag. > > Not everybody is willing to pay for that. > Only when it is too late. > *Such is life in the colonies* > > Let me point out something. > All those *things* (like Polarizers) are nice, but > they only work on > logitudinal waves. > Do not forget to shield against the present > transversal waves. > > Do one thing but do also the other. > > Greetings, > Claessens > member Verband Baubiologie > www.milieuziektes.nl > www.hetbitje.nl > checked by Norton Antivirus > > > > > Re: Meter Readings > === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2005 Report Share Posted June 27, 2005 Hello Konstantin, you must be more specific. Which meters do you have? Which types? Frequencies below 800 MHz are: radio and television TETRA (used by police, firemen and ambulances) Digital radio Digital television Greetings, Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Norton Antivirus Meter Readings > Hello: > > I have an RF Meter for about $400 from Less EMF and > also a german high frequency meter for $450 or so. I > get readings of about 4 uW / m2 on the german green > meter, but get as much as .02 uW / cm2 on my other > meter that has quite a wide range (from o.5MH to 3GH. > This is all in the same place. I was wondering which > one I should trust more. Could you also tell what > generates frequency of less than 900 MH or so (the one > that high frequncy meter would not pick up)? > > Thank you. > > > > ____________________________________________________ > Sports > Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football > http://football.fantasysports. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2005 Report Share Posted June 27, 2005 Thanks, . I haveRF Field Strength Meter from Less EMF. My meter shows strong readings in the wide mode (0.5MGh to 100MhZ) and low on more narrow (100 MHz+). Another very interesting observation is it read 0.005 or so when I have it about 1 meter of the ground my goes up to 0.2 when I raise my hand to say 2 meter height. I think it is called ALPHA RF Meter at http://www.lessemf.com/rf.html (scroll half way down) I talked to the environmental company and he claims that no equipment can tell which direction RF is coming from,. He uses NARDA broadband meter with the 8760D probe. Thanks again. --- charles <charles@...> wrote: > Hello Konstantin, > > you must be more specific. > Which meters do you have? > Which types? > > Frequencies below 800 MHz are: > radio and television > TETRA (used by police, firemen and ambulances) > Digital radio > Digital television > > Greetings, > Claessens > member Verband Baubiologie > www.milieuziektes.nl > www.milieuziektes.be > www.hetbitje.nl > checked by Norton Antivirus > > Meter Readings > > > > Hello: > > > > I have an RF Meter for about $400 from Less EMF > and > > also a german high frequency meter for $450 or so. > I > > get readings of about 4 uW / m2 on the german > green > > meter, but get as much as .02 uW / cm2 on my other > > meter that has quite a wide range (from o.5MH to > 3GH. > > This is all in the same place. I was wondering > which > > one I should trust more. Could you also tell what > > generates frequency of less than 900 MH or so (the > one > > that high frequncy meter would not pick up)? > > > > Thank you. > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________ > > > Sports > > Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy > Football > > http://football.fantasysports. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2005 Report Share Posted June 27, 2005 Dear Konstantin, The readings that you describe suggest that you have a larger signal in the lower frequencies. Note that when you bring this meter close to a surface, the readings will be distorted. Almost any surface will do, including your body. It is an artifact caused by the grounding effect of the surface. Ignore these readings. There are many meters which can tell the direction of an RF signal (directional). Some meters cannot (Isotropic). Best Regards, Emil DeToffol Less EMF Inc. tel: +1-518-432-1550 fax: +1-309-422-4355 www.lessemf.com Meter Readings > > > > Hello: > > > > I have an RF Meter for about $400 from Less EMF > and > > also a german high frequency meter for $450 or so. > I > > get readings of about 4 uW / m2 on the german > green > > meter, but get as much as .02 uW / cm2 on my other > > meter that has quite a wide range (from o.5MH to > 3GH. > > This is all in the same place. I was wondering > which > > one I should trust more. Could you also tell what > > generates frequency of less than 900 MH or so (the > one > > that high frequncy meter would not pick up)? > > > > Thank you. > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________ > > > Sports > > Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy > Football > > http://football.fantasysports. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2005 Report Share Posted June 28, 2005 Hello Konstantin, with RF meters it is very important in having good compensated antennas. As far as I can see from here, I do not see any antenna from your mentioned Alpha RF meter. What about your german GREEN meter?? Type?? The man from your environmental company is nuts. Most meters nowadays use logarithmic periodic antennas, whith which one can easily pinpoint the RF sources. Like those from Gigahertz Solutions for instance. Greetings, Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Norton Antivirus Meter Readings > > > > > > > Hello: > > > > > > I have an RF Meter for about $400 from Less EMF > > and > > > also a german high frequency meter for $450 or so. > > I > > > get readings of about 4 uW / m2 on the german > > green > > > meter, but get as much as .02 uW / cm2 on my other > > > meter that has quite a wide range (from o.5MH to > > 3GH. > > > This is all in the same place. I was wondering > > which > > > one I should trust more. Could you also tell what > > > generates frequency of less than 900 MH or so (the > > one > > > that high frequncy meter would not pick up)? > > > > > > Thank you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________ > > > > > Sports > > > Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy > > Football > > > http://football.fantasysports. > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2005 Report Share Posted June 28, 2005 Yes, Thanks. I would expect him to know these things. Are you familiar with his equipment? Can he still give accurate readings without knowing the directions? He says it measures RF from 300KHz to 3GHz. Is he missing a lot of other waves under 300KHz? --- charles <charles@...> wrote: > Hello Konstantin, > > with RF meters it is very important in having good > compensated antennas. > > As far as I can see from here, I do not see any > antenna from your mentioned > Alpha RF meter. > > What about your german GREEN meter?? > Type?? > > The man from your environmental company is nuts. > Most meters nowadays use logarithmic periodic > antennas, whith which one can > easily pinpoint the RF sources. > Like those from Gigahertz Solutions for instance. > > Greetings, > Claessens > member Verband Baubiologie > www.milieuziektes.nl > www.milieuziektes.be > www.hetbitje.nl > checked by Norton Antivirus > > > > Meter Readings > > > > > > > > > > Hello: > > > > > > > > I have an RF Meter for about $400 from Less > EMF > > > and > > > > also a german high frequency meter for $450 or > so. > > > I > > > > get readings of about 4 uW / m2 on the german > > > green > > > > meter, but get as much as .02 uW / cm2 on my > other > > > > meter that has quite a wide range (from o.5MH > to > > > 3GH. > > > > This is all in the same place. I was wondering > > > which > > > > one I should trust more. Could you also tell > what > > > > generates frequency of less than 900 MH or so > (the > > > one > > > > that high frequncy meter would not pick up)? > > > > > > > > Thank you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________ > > > > > > > Sports > > > > Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy > > > Football > > > > http://football.fantasysports. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2005 Report Share Posted June 28, 2005 Hello Konstantin, What about your german GREEN meter?? Make ?? Type ?? Greetings, Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Norton Antivirus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2005 Report Share Posted June 28, 2005 That one only picks up 900+ MHz. http://www.lessemf.com/rf.html it is green color 3rd from top. --- charles <charles@...> wrote: > Hello Konstantin, > > What about your german GREEN meter?? > Make ?? > Type ?? > > Greetings, > Claessens > member Verband Baubiologie > www.milieuziektes.nl > www.milieuziektes.be > www.hetbitje.nl > checked by Norton Antivirus > > > __________________________________ Discover Have fun online with music videos, cool games, IM and more. Check it out! http://discover./online.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2005 Report Share Posted June 28, 2005 Hello Konstantin, you are colorblind. ;o)) That meter is white, like snowwhite. High Frequency Meter (Cat. #A481) That meter does have a logarithmic periodic antenna, and can pinpoint the sources. Its readings in uW/m2 are very accurate. If you wish to measure below 800 MHz, there is the HF Analyser HF 59B, with the special UBB antenna. Greetings, Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Norton Antivirus Re: Meter Readings > That one only picks up 900+ MHz. > > http://www.lessemf.com/rf.html > > it is green color 3rd from top. > > --- charles <charles@...> wrote: > > > Hello Konstantin, > > > > What about your german GREEN meter?? > > Make ?? > > Type ?? > > > > Greetings, > > Claessens > > member Verband Baubiologie > > www.milieuziektes.nl > > www.milieuziektes.be > > www.hetbitje.nl > > checked by Norton Antivirus > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Discover > Have fun online with music videos, cool games, IM and more. Check it out! > http://discover./online.html > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2005 Report Share Posted June 28, 2005 Hi, I'm new to . I used this very same meter a while ago. I found power from 10µW/cm2 to a few hundred µW/cm2. I don't think I used the attenuator (a small piece of metal you add to the antenna wire). This is in contradiction with the description on the web page : range from 1 to 1999µW/m2 that is 0.1999µW/cm2. Jean. > > > > > Hello Konstantin, > > > > > > What about your german GREEN meter?? > > > Make ?? > > > Type ?? > > > > > > Greetings, > > > Claessens > > > member Verband Baubiologie > > > www.milieuziektes.nl > > > www.milieuziektes.be > > > www.hetbitje.nl > > > checked by Norton Antivirus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Discover > > Have fun online with music videos, cool games, IM and more. Check it out! > > http://discover./online.html > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2005 Report Share Posted June 28, 2005 I just call it green because it has green attachment. I can't spend any more money on meters. I have environmental company coming tomorrow to measure 300KHz and up. AM I missing a lot by not been able to measure under 300KHz? Are you familiar NARDA broadband meter with the 8760D probe? Thanks --- charles <charles@...> wrote: > Hello Konstantin, > > you are colorblind. ;o)) > > That meter is white, like snowwhite. > High Frequency Meter (Cat. #A481) > > That meter does have a logarithmic periodic antenna, > and can pinpoint the > sources. > Its readings in uW/m2 are very accurate. > > If you wish to measure below 800 MHz, there is the > HF Analyser HF 59B, with > the special UBB antenna. > > > Greetings, > Claessens > member Verband Baubiologie > www.milieuziektes.nl > www.milieuziektes.be > www.hetbitje.nl > checked by Norton Antivirus > > > > > > > > > Re: Meter Readings > > > > That one only picks up 900+ MHz. > > > > http://www.lessemf.com/rf.html > > > > it is green color 3rd from top. > > > > --- charles <charles@...> wrote: > > > > > Hello Konstantin, > > > > > > What about your german GREEN meter?? > > > Make ?? > > > Type ?? > > > > > > Greetings, > > > Claessens > > > member Verband Baubiologie > > > www.milieuziektes.nl > > > www.milieuziektes.be > > > www.hetbitje.nl > > > checked by Norton Antivirus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Discover > > Have fun online with music videos, cool games, IM > and more. Check it out! > > http://discover./online.html > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2010 Report Share Posted March 22, 2010 > So, not sure where to go from here. I have the options of the > graham-stetzer filters, which Marc says won't help. > The Quantum Power Strips vs. the Furman Power Strips vs. The Stetzer > Power Strips vs. the Tripplite Isobar Strips. > Then there is the Quantum Home doohicky for $395. I think someone else said that the Stetzer filters would be bad (not me). Your Stetzer meter readings are actually very good when your neighbors are away. In my house, the meter usually reads around 40 (and I don't have any Stetzer filters either). As for what to do next, that's up to you... I've actually tried (over the years) ALL of the things you listed. The Quantum stuff made the most difference in terms of my symptoms, but don't expect it to change the readings on your Stetzer meter. Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2010 Report Share Posted March 22, 2010 Those are decent readings, but it's not such a good meter. It doesn't go high enough in frequency. Try getting that Entech 'broadband' meter for $6 if there are still some on ebay. Or, better, just hold an AM radio near a light switch when you turn on the computer (tune the radio to static at the low end of the dial). If you don't hear anything I want to know what kind of computer you have... On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 11:52 AM, torch369 <torch369@...> wrote: > > > I checked all my outlets this morning with the stetzerizer and all my > outlets read from 35-60, including my APC Surge Suppressor outlets, BackUPS > AVR, and BrickWall. I waited until the fridge compressor came on and no > change. I turned on my computer and monitor-no change. I turned on my TV and > Cable Modem-no change. > I am going to test it again tonight when I get home and my neighbors are > using all their stuff. I think this is why my readings go up to 200 or so, > not because of what I am running inside my apt. > > So, not sure where to go from here. I have the options of the > graham-stetzer filters, which Marc says won't help. > The Quantum Power Strips vs. the Furman Power Strips vs. The Stetzer Power > Strips vs. the Tripplite Isobar Strips. > Then there is the Quantum Home doohicky for $395. > > What the heck am I supposed to try? Aaarrgh > Anyone with a definitive idea? I am as confused as I was before, if not > more so. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2010 Report Share Posted March 22, 2010 Hi, Steve,  I know meter readings mean something. But I don't rely on meter readings. I know relief when I experience it, meter reading or no meter reading. Very unscientific, I know, but I find untechie often comes to the same conclusion in less time than techie does. If you do what I mentioned in another email, it will give you many clues to follow. For instance, while sleeping with circuits off, you might be able to notice that you react when someone else uses the bathroom. (If you are single, arrange a sleep over.) This happened to me. Well, duh, I was sleeping over the water pipes. I then knew I needed to address the water pipes (a piece of plastic pipe to break frequencies coming in on the water). Also, I realized a better place to place my bed would be in another bedroom where there were no metal pipes under me. Yes, a meter (or maybe even common sense  ) could have told me this, but the meter was high all over my house and I had exactly the same problem as you--where to start??? I stepped back from the meter readings and instead started following my instincts.  In our case, the water pipes were only the tip of the iceberg in that house. There were ground loops all over the place, so we have chosen to rewire the house. This might sound like a sledge hammer approach, but understand that our wiring was 60 years old, so it probably was high time it got changed. This won't be an option for you, but there is alot you can do which doesn't involve wiring. The $30 Quantum conditioner helped with my fridge (which was one appliance which bothered me). But you don't want to start out buying things willy-nilly. Figure out what your problems actually are first. You might come across enough info in one night of unplugging/turning off circuits to point you in the correct direction you need to go.  If you don't see a change in emfs from unplugging and turning off the circuits, then a Quantum Home might work for you, or emf shielding fabric on particular walls or under rugs. (The Q Pro is what I have been using to get by while the rewiring is taking place--btw, I have to constantly change the settings now that we are rewiring.) In our case in that house, we have wiring issues, (had the water pipe issue), had dirty electric on the lines coming in, and have electrosmog issues (cell towers, others' electronic/wireless toys) from outside the house. I am using various remediations--aluminum screens on windows, plants in front of windows, emf blocking fabric on windows. All of these address electrosmog from outside the house. I also address electrosmog inside the house and dirty electricity there (pulling plugs, use of Quantum conditioners--these also can address some outside electrosmog, btw,--suspending use of particular appliances and electronics, and tossing anything wireless or which uses a transformer). The subject is dizzying, but once you get a grip on what your actual problems are, you can deal. Stand in front of windows--are you feeling worse? This is a clue. Are you better on inside walls or outside walls? What is present inside and outside of these walls where you feel better or worse? What happens when you turn off circuits there? Once you determine the answers to these questions you will know what course to take.  I also agree with that more important than all of this remediation, is working on your health problem(s) which have led to this problem. thinks this is immune related; I think EMS is tight junction/ion channel related (we might both be right). Anyway, my first remediations were working to get myself healthier. Detoxing went a long way toward helping me. (I am not cured but I am very much better and do not react while driving unless I am in very high concentrations of emfs). I disagree with , tho, in that I feel emf stress is not good whether you are reacting or not. So even tho I do not react badly now, I still see lowering my emf load as a good idea and work to eliminate as much as possible from my environment.  My 2 cents; good luck, Diane From: torch369 <torch369@...> Subject: Meter Readings Date: Monday, March 22, 2010, 1:52 PM  I checked all my outlets this morning with the stetzerizer and all my outlets read from 35-60, including my APC Surge Suppressor outlets, BackUPS AVR, and BrickWall. I waited until the fridge compressor came on and no change. I turned on my computer and monitor-no change. I turned on my TV and Cable Modem-no change. I am going to test it again tonight when I get home and my neighbors are using all their stuff. I think this is why my readings go up to 200 or so, not because of what I am running inside my apt. So, not sure where to go from here. I have the options of the graham-stetzer filters, which Marc says won't help. The Quantum Power Strips vs. the Furman Power Strips vs. The Stetzer Power Strips vs. the Tripplite Isobar Strips. Then there is the Quantum Home doohicky for $395. What the heck am I supposed to try? Aaarrgh Anyone with a definitive idea? I am as confused as I was before, if not more so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2010 Report Share Posted March 22, 2010 i actually just bought that Entech Meter on ebay. Not sure how to use it though, it has a dial on it. Any advice? I can always return the Stetzerizer, it has a 60 day return policy (and cost me $100). > > > > > > > I checked all my outlets this morning with the > stetzerizer and all my > > outlets read from 35-60, including my APC Surge > Suppressor outlets, BackUPS > > AVR, and BrickWall. I waited until the fridge > compressor came on and no > > change. I turned on my computer and monitor-no change. > I turned on my TV and > > Cable Modem-no change. > > I am going to test it again tonight when I get home > and my neighbors are > > using all their stuff. I think this is why my readings > go up to 200 or so, > > not because of what I am running inside my apt. > > > > So, not sure where to go from here. I have the options > of the > > graham-stetzer filters, which Marc says won't help. > > The Quantum Power Strips vs. the Furman Power Strips > vs. The Stetzer Power > > Strips vs. the Tripplite Isobar Strips. > > Then there is the Quantum Home doohicky for $395. > > > > What the heck am I supposed to try? Aaarrgh > > Anyone with a definitive idea? I am as confused as I > was before, if not > > more so. > > > >Â > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2010 Report Share Posted March 22, 2010 Wow, good Post! Turning off the circuits is really not an option because the fuse box is a pain to get to and deal with. So, you mention a $30 Quantum Conditioner-is this the one that plugs directly into the outlet, not a strip? Would I need this in addition to the Quantum Home and would I need to use the Quantum Strips with my computer equipment and TV or wait to see if the others worked by themselves? Did you ever look into the Graham-Stetzer Filters? Any opinions on those? My bed pretty much has no where else to go-very small apt. and the other wall is right above where the electric box and fuse box is. So, I am above the water pipes and some wiring in the garage but I have no choice. The funny thing is that before January I had no problems sleeping and then started hearing things in my walls-hums, low frequency things, and noises from the outside in the wall. Quite annoying. I was looking into something which I could use as headboard that may help with the noises but no luck so far. What do you recommend to put over the window? Thanks, Steve > > > From: torch369 <torch369@...> > Subject: Meter Readings > > Date: Monday, March 22, 2010, 1:52 PM > > > Â > > > > I checked all my outlets this morning with the stetzerizer > and all my outlets read from 35-60, including my APC Surge > Suppressor outlets, BackUPS AVR, and BrickWall. I waited > until the fridge compressor came on and no change. I turned > on my computer and monitor-no change. I turned on my TV and > Cable Modem-no change. > I am going to test it again tonight when I get home and my > neighbors are using all their stuff. I think this is why my > readings go up to 200 or so, not because of what I am > running inside my apt. > > So, not sure where to go from here. I have the options of > the graham-stetzer filters, which Marc says won't help. > The Quantum Power Strips vs. the Furman Power Strips vs. > The Stetzer Power Strips vs. the Tripplite Isobar Strips. > Then there is the Quantum Home doohicky for $395. > > What the heck am I supposed to try? Aaarrgh > Anyone with a definitive idea? I am as confused as I was > before, if not more so. > > > > > > > > > > Â Â Â > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2010 Report Share Posted March 22, 2010 > So, you mention a $30 Quantum Conditioner-is this the one that plugs > directly into the outlet, not a strip? The $30 Quantum Conditioners are just Power Sentry 3-outlet surge protectors that have been " treated " using whatever process Quantum Products uses to treat the circuit boards. So it probably looks something like this: http://www.newpoint.com/products/100157.php (although mine don't look like that, as mine look like what Power Sentry used to sell years ago) Since the effect of the Quantum Power Conditioners is additive, I'm sure that there is some number of these that would effectively be as strong as a Quantum Home... although the ultra-sensitive would probably still notice some kind of difference between the two options, because the company uses different methods to implement " coherence " in the Quantum Home vs. the Quantum Power Conditioner. Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2010 Report Share Posted March 22, 2010 Mostly we use it with the dial to the max. If that's off-scale you turn it down if you need to compare things that are stronger. Both meters have digital displays which generate RF noise, but the Entech seems to have that under control, while the Stetzer sometimes is reading its own noise (unless you add a stetzer filter to drop the voltage down). I don't know of sources that the Stetzer can measure and the Entech can't... maybe coupling from an audio system or an old invisible dog fence would be down at those frequencies. I think the Entech is also better because of the speaker. But I'm sure the ebay price is a fluke... I think Monster used to sell these, probably for well over $100 (in a nice case). Maybe they stopped selling them because it reveals that cheaper filters are just as good as their $200 powerstrips? On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 1:49 PM, Steve G <torch369@...> wrote: > > > i actually just bought that Entech Meter on ebay. Not sure how to use it > though, it has a dial on it. Any advice? > I can always return the Stetzerizer, it has a 60 day return policy (and > cost me $100). > > > > > > > > > > > > > I checked all my outlets this morning with the > > stetzerizer and all my > > > outlets read from 35-60, including my APC Surge > > Suppressor outlets, BackUPS > > > AVR, and BrickWall. I waited until the fridge > > compressor came on and no > > > change. I turned on my computer and monitor-no change. > > I turned on my TV and > > > Cable Modem-no change. > > > I am going to test it again tonight when I get home > > and my neighbors are > > > using all their stuff. I think this is why my readings > > go up to 200 or so, > > > not because of what I am running inside my apt. > > > > > > So, not sure where to go from here. I have the options > > of the > > > graham-stetzer filters, which Marc says won't help. > > > The Quantum Power Strips vs. the Furman Power Strips > > vs. The Stetzer Power > > > Strips vs. the Tripplite Isobar Strips. > > > Then there is the Quantum Home doohicky for $395. > > > > > > What the heck am I supposed to try? Aaarrgh > > > Anyone with a definitive idea? I am as confused as I > > was before, if not > > > more so. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2010 Report Share Posted March 22, 2010 Thanks Marc. Their website is so bad, you'd think they would at least have a pic of each product. No email contact either which is odd. What I need to decide is whether it pays to replace my BackUPS (battery back-up which may create issues itself?) with a Quantum Strip or one of the others-Furman, Stetzer. I want to make sure my little Mac Mini is protected! I also have to decide whether my $300 Brickwall unit should be replaced with one of those others. > From: Marc <marc@...> > Subject: Re: Meter Readings > > Date: Monday, March 22, 2010, 1:24 PM > > So, you mention a $30 Quantum > Conditioner-is this the one that plugs > > directly into the outlet, not a strip? > > The $30 Quantum Conditioners are just Power Sentry 3-outlet > surge > protectors that have been " treated " using whatever process > Quantum > Products uses to treat the circuit boards. So it > probably looks > something like this: > >  http://www.newpoint.com/products/100157.php > > (although mine don't look like that, as mine look like what > Power > Sentry used to sell years ago) > > Since the effect of the Quantum Power Conditioners is > additive, > I'm sure that there is some number of these that would > effectively be as strong as a Quantum Home... although the > ultra-sensitive would probably still notice some kind of > difference between the two options, because the company > uses different methods to implement " coherence " in the > Quantum Home vs. the Quantum Power Conditioner. > > Marc > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2010 Report Share Posted March 22, 2010 > Their website is so bad, you'd think they would at least have a pic of > each product. No email contact either which is odd. The Quantum Products website does have contact info on the front page: utmc@... 1 888 919 9993 The power strips do change in appearance based on whatever Power Sentry is making these days. > What I need to decide is whether it pays to replace my BackUPS (battery > back-up which may create issues itself?) with a Quantum Strip or one of > the others-Furman, Stetzer. I want to make sure my little Mac Mini is > protected! I wouldn't trust the Quantum Power conditioners for surge protection (but I wouldn't trust Power Sentry either). These are cheapo surge protectors -- the Brick Wall or the Furman are much more robust. And the Quantum power strips don't really need to have anything plugged into them -- they can just be plugged into the wall, all by themselves, as they affect the electricity in the whole room/house, not just whatever is plugged into them. Of course, the effect is stronger if you are running a lot of wattage/current through them. Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2010 Report Share Posted March 22, 2010 Sorry, didn't see that email link. So, perhaps I could get the Furman to replace my Battery BackUP (what's your opinion on BackUPS?) and keep the BrickWall for my TV, VCR, etc. Then I can use the Quantum Powerstrip for my air cleaner in the living room (I have an APS Surge Protector for that now). I could also get a Quantum Powerstrip for my bedroom where I have another air cleaner plugged into a Curtis Surge Strip. For my fridge I could either use the Quantum Power Sentry plug in or a Tripplite Isobar (which is a pretty robust 2 outlet strip with isolated outlets). The Tripplite is a better surge suppressor I'm sure but would it help prevent dirty electricity from the fridge from going through my wiring, that's the question)Perhaps the Quantum would be better for this. What's your opinion of the Stetzer Powerstrips, or would I just be better off with the Quantum's if I'm not going to put the Stetzer Filters all over the place? > From: Marc <marc@...> > Subject: Re: Meter Readings > > Date: Monday, March 22, 2010, 2:58 PM > > Their website is so bad, you'd > think they would at least have a pic of > > each product. No email contact either which is odd. > > The Quantum Products website does have contact info on the > front page: > >  utmc@... >  1 888 919 9993 > > The power strips do change in appearance based on whatever > Power > Sentry is making these days. > > > What I need to decide is whether it pays to replace my > BackUPS (battery > > back-up which may create issues itself?) with a > Quantum Strip or one of > > the others-Furman, Stetzer. I want to make sure my > little Mac Mini is > > protected! > > I wouldn't trust the Quantum Power conditioners for surge > protection > (but I wouldn't trust Power Sentry either). These are > cheapo surge > protectors -- the Brick Wall or the Furman are much more > robust. > > And the Quantum power strips don't really need to have > anything plugged > into them -- they can just be plugged into the wall, all by > themselves, > as they affect the electricity in the whole room/house, not > just whatever > is plugged into them. Of course, the effect is > stronger if you are > running a lot of wattage/current through them. > > Marc > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2010 Report Share Posted March 22, 2010 > (what's your opinion on BackUPS?) I have no experience with these. > What's your opinion of the Stetzer Powerstrips, Haven't tried these either... aren't these just like Stetzer filters built into powerstrips? The Stetzer filters gave me a splitting headache, so I wouldn't use them in my own house. (and of course, your reaction to all these things is unknown -- you may either notice nothing from the things you do, or find them to be an improvement, or find that you have an adverse reaction to them) Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2010 Report Share Posted March 22, 2010 Yes, these strips have 2 stetzer filters built into them. I am leaning towards this plan of action: 1. SDGE said they will come and inspect my electricity for free. They are actually a pretty friendly utility company. 2. In my bedroom I will replace my cheap Curtis Surge Strip with the Quantum Power Strip and plug my air cleaner into it, and when I use my vacuum cleaner. 3. In my Kitchen I will buy a Quantum Wall Plug and plug my fridge and toaster oven into it. Also in my Kitchen I will place my APC surge Suppressor Strip in the other Outlet and plug in my microwave/dustbuster/sonicare into it instead of the cheap strip I have now. 4. In my Living Room I will replace my BackUPS my Computer/monitor/modem/printer is plugged into with the Furman 8 Strip (not the 'D' Model because nothing Digital will be plugged into it). Keep my TV/VCR/Cable Modem/DVD plugged into the Brickwall. Perhaps buy another Quantum plug for my cordless phone (I may switch to a corded) or just use one of my other cheap surge suppressor strips. I have 1 outlet with only a desklamp plugged into it. Perhaps get another Quantum plug for that. 5. I have an outlet I won't be plugging anything into which is right next to my bed. Do I need to do anything with this outlet? How does this plan sound? Any opinions? > From: Marc <marc@...> > Subject: Re: Meter Readings > > Date: Monday, March 22, 2010, 4:06 PM > > (what's your opinion on > BackUPS?) > > I have no experience with these. > > > What's your opinion of the Stetzer Powerstrips, > > Haven't tried these either... aren't these just like > Stetzer > filters built into powerstrips? The Stetzer filters > gave me > a splitting headache, so I wouldn't use them in my own > house. > > (and of course, your reaction to all these things is > unknown -- > you may either notice nothing from the things you do, or > find them to be an improvement, or find that you have an > adverse > reaction to them) > > Marc > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2010 Report Share Posted March 22, 2010 > How does this plan sound? Any opinions? Sounds like you're more than covered in the power-strip area... :-) Do you have an outlet tester? Might be worthwhile to check and see if any of your outlets are mis-wired. When I moved into my current house, several of the outlets were mis-wired. You can find a tester at a local hardware store, or LessEMF sells them. Also, if you're as sensitive as I used to be, you'll get a detox reaction when you start living with more than 2 Quantum power conditioners in your apartment. If that happens, just back off and allow yourself to get used them over time (weeks/months). Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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