Re: Metal objects

[Guest guest]

The same for me, my reaction is immediate. One factor to the severity of my

reaction is, what other things are/is? my body fighting at that time. When the

outdoor allergies are high or I haven't slept well I react more severally to

EMS. Not all the time but in general when I can take myself out of the line of

fire my EMS reactions will dissipate quickly. This is not true with my MCS.

For me I feel like EMS are harder than MCS because I can't just walk away. But

EMS effects leave quickly while the MCS effects last longer because the

chemicals remain internal so I can have that reaction until my body starts to

detox the chemicals.

jw

Jennie Wassenaar

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From: " paulpjc@... " <paulpjc@...>

Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2009 4:36:16 AM

Subject: Re: Metal objects

In a message dated 06/10/2009 18:59:13 GMT Daylight Time,

charles@milieuziekt es.be writes:

That is correct.

No feeling but reacting.

If you have read the issue of *hetbitje* September 2009, you could have

seen, that the impact and registering in the body is immediately, but the

biological reaction comes later on, and interestingly even when the

exposure

has long been gone.

uk replies - There is no time delay when I stand by a powerful mobile

or drive my car along the motorway and feel the waves from these devices

without any visual or other clues. The thing in question is wether its the

waves and thier many components that you feel and react to and then wether

this causes any harm, and how you raect may be multifaceted in both

physiological and phychological responses and so on..In essense the reaction

time is

probably dependant on a whole plethora of factors.

[Guest guest]

I think this is a great thread... maybe someone should try to summarize it

for an

FAQ?

I think makes a great point... depending on who you talk to we have 5,

6, 20...50 senses.

Sometimes I do feel EMFs directly in whatever hand or arm is closest to the

source. Often the feeling is very ephemeral.

makes a good point too, that expecting someone to respond in an

arbitrary laboratory experiment is not a relevant test. What is the long

term health effect (including mental focus, etc.) is what matters.

But, even though the experiments have found something like 12 to 3, no

effect, really it only takes

1 reproducible experiment to prove the effect is real. Even 1000 negative

experiments don't negate that 1 if they were measuring something else, or

were too sloppy, etc.

Rea's experiment was positive and I don't think anyone chose to

follow his protocol (why not?.... he's a doctor, and he's sensitive, so why

not try his protocol first?). He used square wave pulses, took precautions

to minimize chemical exposures, and only did blind tests on those who could

pass a non-blind test.

Then there was TNO, never really published, but fascinating.

Most recently in the journal of Pathophysiology we have the very brilliant

test of hand movements using a large movable reflector to cause standing

waves in the signal from an FM tower at 0.05 V/m. Actually many of the

subjects were not aware of any sensation, but their hands moved in

accordance with the signal.

Sharks, rays, lampreys, salamanders, platypus and echidnas clearly have

electrosensor organs, extremely sensitive ones. Sharks can detect a few

billionths of a volt per meter. The tri-field meter goes down to 10 volts

per meter. I've seen one detector that goes to 0.1 volts per meter. No

biologist doubts that the earliest vertebrates could sense electric field.

Clearly a human is less sensitive than a shark, because we don't have as

specialized a system. We probably are not as sensitive as a platypus. But

I don't think anyone has really characterized the frequency response of any

animal. These are hard experiments and usually the people who are good at

studying animals are not good at electronics and vice versa. The same

problem is there with studying humans.

I think if you could keep people in a very electrically quiet environment

for at least 2 days, and then expose them to very tiny signals, you'd get

really nice results. With larger exposures, you're inhibiting or damaging

the very cells that are suppose to be responding.

I think ' view is very practical, but hopefully some day we will be

able to recognize what and the others have said as the truth.

Bill

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 08/10/2009 16:45:23 GMT Daylight Time, wbruno@...

writes:

I think ' view is very practical, but hopefully some day we will be

able to recognize what and the others have said as the truth.

Bill

uk replies - Many thanks for that Bill.

[Guest guest]

It's all good! Loni

From: paulpjc@... <paulpjc@...>

Subject: Re: Metal objects

Date: Friday, October 9, 2009, 1:54 AM

 

In a message dated 08/10/2009 16:45:23 GMT Daylight Time, wbrunogmail (DOT) com

writes:

I think ' view is very practical, but hopefully some day we will be

able to recognize what and the others have said as the truth.

Bill

uk replies - Many thanks for that Bill.

[Guest guest]

Hi, Bill,

 

You recently wrote:

 

" Most recently in the journal of Pathophysiology we have the very brilliant

test of hand movements using a large movable reflector to cause standing

waves in the signal from an FM tower at 0.05 V/m. Actually many of the

subjects were not aware of any sensation, but their hands moved in

accordance with the signal. "

 

Do you know of anywhere online we can read about this?  I am guessing you are

talking about a subscription only journal?  Sounds very interesting.  Since my

hand accident (I severed the median nerve and a small nerve bundle, etc which

required surgery in May) I have unusual sensations and intense pain in my hand

when around cell and microwave towers, etc.  I never had any hand symptoms

before my accident.  In fact, my major EMS problem right now is my hand.  It is

more highly reactive than the rest of me (but also it is probably perceived by

my body as the weakest or most vulnerable body part right now, too, so that

might be why???)  I have no feeling yet (touch, I mean--lots of feeling there,

just not good    )  

 

With supplementation and use of the Quantum Pro, I have been able to remediate

my other symptoms.  (I still react some when out riding in the car, but I can

take supplements when this happens and recover quickly.  But my supplementation

doesn't help my hand.)

 

Very interesting info.  Thanks, Bill,

Diane

From: Bill Bruno <wbruno@...>

Subject: Re: Metal objects

Date: Thursday, October 8, 2009, 11:41 AM

 

I think this is a great thread... maybe someone should try to summarize it

for an

FAQ?

I think makes a great point... depending on who you talk to we have 5,

6, 20...50 senses.

Sometimes I do feel EMFs directly in whatever hand or arm is closest to the

source. Often the feeling is very ephemeral.

makes a good point too, that expecting someone to respond in an

arbitrary laboratory experiment is not a relevant test. What is the long

term health effect (including mental focus, etc.) is what matters.

But, even though the experiments have found something like 12 to 3, no

effect, really it only takes

1 reproducible experiment to prove the effect is real. Even 1000 negative

experiments don't negate that 1 if they were measuring something else, or

were too sloppy, etc.

Rea's experiment was positive and I don't think anyone chose to

follow his protocol (why not?.... he's a doctor, and he's sensitive, so why

not try his protocol first?). He used square wave pulses, took precautions

to minimize chemical exposures, and only did blind tests on those who could

pass a non-blind test.

Then there was TNO, never really published, but fascinating.

Most recently in the journal of Pathophysiology we have the very brilliant

test of hand movements using a large movable reflector to cause standing

waves in the signal from an FM tower at 0.05 V/m. Actually many of the

subjects were not aware of any sensation, but their hands moved in

accordance with the signal.

Sharks, rays, lampreys, salamanders, platypus and echidnas clearly have

electrosensor organs, extremely sensitive ones. Sharks can detect a few

billionths of a volt per meter. The tri-field meter goes down to 10 volts

per meter. I've seen one detector that goes to 0.1 volts per meter. No

biologist doubts that the earliest vertebrates could sense electric field.

Clearly a human is less sensitive than a shark, because we don't have as

specialized a system. We probably are not as sensitive as a platypus. But

I don't think anyone has really characterized the frequency response of any

animal. These are hard experiments and usually the people who are good at

studying animals are not good at electronics and vice versa. The same

problem is there with studying humans.

I think if you could keep people in a very electrically quiet environment

for at least 2 days, and then expose them to very tiny signals, you'd get

really nice results. With larger exposures, you're inhibiting or damaging

the very cells that are suppose to be responding.

I think ' view is very practical, but hopefully some day we will be

able to recognize what and the others have said as the truth.

Bill

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 12/10/2009 19:21:21 GMT Daylight Time,

evie15422@... writes:

Do you know of anywhere online we can read about this? I am guessing you

are talking about a subscription only journal? Sounds very interesting.

Since my hand accident (I severed the median nerve and a small nerve

bundle, etc which required surgery in May) I have unusual sensations and

intense

pain in my hand when around cell and microwave towers, etc. I never had

any hand symptoms

Try Powerwatch

[Guest guest]

This phenomenon is very well known.

In germany, they found this *phantom pains* effect with people who had

amputated hands, arms, or legs.

When they were exposed to high frequency radiation, they felt pains, as if

those amputated parts were still there.

Special shielding over the remaining body parts could help this.

So, on the body where nerves are cut, an extra sensitivity exists.

Greetings,

Claessens

member Verband Baubiologie

www.milieuziektes.nl

www.milieuziektes.be

www.hetbitje.nl

checked by Norton

Re: Metal objects

>

> In a message dated 12/10/2009 19:21:21 GMT Daylight Time,

> evie15422@... writes:

>

> Do you know of anywhere online we can read about this? I am guessing you

> are talking about a subscription only journal? Sounds very interesting.

> Since my hand accident (I severed the median nerve and a small nerve

> bundle, etc which required surgery in May) I have unusual sensations and

> intense

> pain in my hand when around cell and microwave towers, etc. I never had

> any hand symptoms

>

>

> Try Powerwatch

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks ! 

 

Be well,  Diane

From: paulpjc@... <paulpjc@...>

Subject: Re: Metal objects

Date: Tuesday, October 13, 2009, 5:46 AM

 

In a message dated 12/10/2009 19:21:21 GMT Daylight Time,

evie15422 (DOT) com writes:

Do you know of anywhere online we can read about this? I am guessing you

are talking about a subscription only journal? Sounds very interesting.

Since my hand accident (I severed the median nerve and a small nerve

bundle, etc which required surgery in May) I have unusual sensations and intense

pain in my hand when around cell and microwave towers, etc. I never had

any hand symptoms

Try Powerwatch

[Guest guest]

Thanks, , 

 

I appreciate the info. I had heard of phantom pain, but had no idea that was

similar to what I was dealing with!  Of course, I still have dead nerves there,

so it makes sense. 

 

Thanks again,

Diane

From: charles@... <charles@...>

Subject: Re: Metal objects

Date: Tuesday, October 13, 2009, 6:34 AM

 

This phenomenon is very well known.

In germany, they found this *phantom pains* effect with people who had

amputated hands, arms, or legs.

When they were exposed to high frequency radiation, they felt pains, as if

those amputated parts were still there.

Special shielding over the remaining body parts could help this.

So, on the body where nerves are cut, an extra sensitivity exists.

Greetings,

Claessens

member Verband Baubiologie

www.milieuziektes. nl

www.milieuziektes. be

www.hetbitje. nl

checked by Norton

Re: Metal objects

>

> In a message dated 12/10/2009 19:21:21 GMT Daylight Time,

> evie15422 (DOT) com writes:

>

> Do you know of anywhere online we can read about this? I am guessing you

> are talking about a subscription only journal? Sounds very interesting.

> Since my hand accident (I severed the median nerve and a small nerve

> bundle, etc which required surgery in May) I have unusual sensations and

> intense

> pain in my hand when around cell and microwave towers, etc. I never had

> any hand symptoms

>

>

> Try Powerwatch

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 13/10/2009 20:36:46 GMT Daylight Time,

evie15422@... writes:

Date: Tuesday, October 13, 2009, 6:34 AM

This phenomenon is very well known.

In germany, they found this *phantom pains* effect with people who had

amputated hands, arms, or legs.

When they were exposed to high frequency radiation, they felt pains, as if

those amputated parts were still there.

Special shielding over the remaining body parts could help this.

So, on the body where nerves are cut, an extra sensitivity exists.

Greetings,

uk replies - Coghill describes tghis in his book something in

the air, he talks of a phenomenon which he terms Cerebral morphogenetic

radiation which eminates from the DNA, being a double helix he sugessts that the

DNA is both a perfect transmitter and a perfect reciver ? so the signals

may still be sent and dealt with by a certain part of the brain or indeed

localised DNA