Guest guest Posted October 12, 2009 Report Share Posted October 12, 2009 Hi Jennie, I'd suggest that actual engine size should not be a significant problem, if at all. The ignition system just needs to produce a reasonable spark and that should be hardly any different for small or large cars. Number of cylinders (8, 6 or 4) might have a small effect. Diesel, if available, may be better than petrol - no ignition system. However as mentioned in my other mail, we found that for Sue the engine type/size and ignition system seem unimportant compared with other factors. How your body " feels " in the car compared to other ones, or your current car, may be your best guide. Hopefully a good long test drive should show you. Ian _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Jennie Wassenaar Sent: 12 October 2009 23:38 EMS Subject: Vehicle Engine My new vehicle saga continues. I went to the dealership and could not even sit in the Explorer with black leather seats. I took an Explorer with black cloth seats for a test drive but couldn't make it 5 minutes. They have a 2009 Expedition that would be great for my business and because it is used the " new car " smell has off gassed. Now the only concern I have is the engine size. The Expedition I am looking at has a larger engine than the Explore (I don't know the specifics). It seems to reason but I wanted to ask - would a larger engine produce more electromagnetic energy? Could this be an issue? My husband thinks it's a silly question and the difference if any would not be of concern. I had to remind him that I not only have to have the bed lamp turned off but unplugged (it's funny but Jodie just said something similar). Anyway if anyone has any insight I would appreciate it. I need to make a decision. I know probably the best solution would be for me to buy out my current lease but it's a long story and would probably be my last option, Thanks for your help, jw Jennie Wassenaar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2009 Report Share Posted October 12, 2009 > would a larger engine produce more > electromagnetic energy? Could this be an issue? I'd be more concerned about the electronics in the dashboard (LCD display?), in the doors (power windows/locks?), and inside the seat you are sitting on (airbags and sensors?) Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2009 Report Share Posted October 12, 2009 I had assumed that the EMS issues I have had in my vehicle in the past were related to being near the engine - when I moved farther back in the vehicle I felt better. But if I understand you correctly it has more to do with the items you listed than the actual engine itself? The expedition I am looking at has about the same type of electronics as my current Explorer. A lot less than the 2010 I was looking at. I have already decided what ever vehicle I get I'm keeping it until they have to tow it to the junk yard. Thanks for your info, jw Jennie Wassenaar ________________________________ From: Marc <marc@...> Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 8:09:03 PM Subject: Re: Vehicle Engine > would a larger engine produce more > electromagnetic energy? Could this be an issue? I'd be more concerned about the electronics in the dashboard (LCD display?), in the doors (power windows/locks? ), and inside the seat you are sitting on (airbags and sensors?) Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2009 Report Share Posted October 12, 2009 Thanks Ian, See the post I sent to Marc. It looks like you both are saying the same thing about the engine. As you said I know what my body feels and I know if just feels better the farther away I get from the front of the vehicle. Thanks again, jw Jennie Wassenaar ________________________________ From: Ian Kemp <ianandsue.kemp@...> Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 7:19:26 PM Subject: RE: Vehicle Engine Hi Jennie, I'd suggest that actual engine size should not be a significant problem, if at all. The ignition system just needs to produce a reasonable spark and that should be hardly any different for small or large cars. Number of cylinders (8, 6 or 4) might have a small effect. Diesel, if available, may be better than petrol - no ignition system. However as mentioned in my other mail, we found that for Sue the engine type/size and ignition system seem unimportant compared with other factors. How your body " feels " in the car compared to other ones, or your current car, may be your best guide. Hopefully a good long test drive should show you. Ian _____ From: groups (DOT) com [mailto:groups (DOT) com] On Behalf Of Jennie Wassenaar Sent: 12 October 2009 23:38 EMS Subject: Vehicle Engine My new vehicle saga continues. I went to the dealership and could not even sit in the Explorer with black leather seats. I took an Explorer with black cloth seats for a test drive but couldn't make it 5 minutes. They have a 2009 Expedition that would be great for my business and because it is used the " new car " smell has off gassed. Now the only concern I have is the engine size. The Expedition I am looking at has a larger engine than the Explore (I don't know the specifics). It seems to reason but I wanted to ask - would a larger engine produce more electromagnetic energy? Could this be an issue? My husband thinks it's a silly question and the difference if any would not be of concern. I had to remind him that I not only have to have the bed lamp turned off but unplugged (it's funny but Jodie just said something similar). Anyway if anyone has any insight I would appreciate it. I need to make a decision. I know probably the best solution would be for me to buy out my current lease but it's a long story and would probably be my last option, Thanks for your help, jw Jennie Wassenaar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2009 Report Share Posted October 12, 2009 In a message dated 13/10/2009 02:55:19 GMT Daylight Time, ad-in@... writes: would a larger engine produce more electromagnetic energy? Could this be an issue? My husband thinks it's a silly question and the difference if any would not be of concern. I had to remind him that I not only have to have Best way is to rent a car, then buy it if you like it ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 Hi, Jennie Wassenaar wrote: > I had to remind him that I not only have to have the bed lamp turned off but unplugged (it's funny but Jodie just said something similar). The unshielded cord emits an electric field from the 50 or 60 Hz Alternating Current when plugged in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 Marc wrote: >> would a larger engine produce more >> electromagnetic energy? Could this be an issue? >> > > I'd be more concerned about the electronics in the dashboard > (LCD display?), in the doors (power windows/locks?), and inside > the seat you are sitting on (airbags and sensors?) > Also, if the vehicle has Heated seats, those coils would be an unwanted addition. Nobody mentioned the alternator. In a 1990 Dodge 4wd diesel truck dad got last year, I was disappointed to find the fuse box was under the steering column, closer to the driver, rather than on the firewall. I added a new cable from alternator to battery so it did not go all the way around through the firewall side of the engine, and when I disconnected the alternator and started the engine, I found the magnetic field I was trying to reduce went away. Same principle as replacing components in a computer and finding different emissions, now I'll desire to replace the alternator until I find a better built model. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 I would not be surprised if the Expedition has a bigger alternator than the explorer, but not much bigger. The bigger vehicle may mean more space between you and the engine etc (or not). It seems like someone should try putting ferrites on their car wiring. I actually have some but can't say I noticed a difference (it's a diesel etc). If you find wiring near the driver that buzzes with the am radio, then ferrites upstream might take the edge off (but unplugging will be much better if the car still works right). On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 8:18 AM, S son <sandreas41@...> wrote: > > > Marc wrote: > >> would a larger engine produce more > >> electromagnetic energy? Could this be an issue? > >> > > > > I'd be more concerned about the electronics in the dashboard > > (LCD display?), in the doors (power windows/locks?), and inside > > the seat you are sitting on (airbags and sensors?) > > > > Also, if the vehicle has Heated seats, those coils would be an unwanted > addition. > > Nobody mentioned the alternator. In a 1990 Dodge 4wd diesel truck dad > got last year, I was disappointed to find the fuse box was under the > steering column, closer to the driver, rather than on the firewall. I > added a new cable from alternator to battery so it did not go all the > way around through the firewall side of the engine, and when I > disconnected the alternator and started the engine, I found the magnetic > field I was trying to reduce went away. > > Same principle as replacing components in a computer and finding > different emissions, now I'll desire to replace the alternator until I > find a better built model. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 Jennie, It's not only the seats it's all the plastics that will be toxic for years. I bought a 2001 van. It has leather seats in it that are still a little bothersome even after these many years. Just be careful. I wouldn't buy anything that wasn't at least 5 years old. That's me. Loni From: Jennie Wassenaar <ad-in@...> Subject: Vehicle Engine " EMS " < > Date: Monday, October 12, 2009, 3:38 PM Â My new vehicle saga continues. I went to the dealership and could not even sit in the Explorer with black leather seats. I took an Explorer with black cloth seats for a test drive but couldn't make it 5 minutes. They have a 2009 Expedition that would be great for my business and because it is used the " new car " smell has off gassed. Now the only concern I have is the engine size. The Expedition I am looking at has a larger engine than the Explore (I don't know the specifics). It seems to reason but I wanted to ask - would a larger engine produce more electromagnetic energy? Could this be an issue? My husband thinks it's a silly question and the difference if any would not be of concern. I had to remind him that I not only have to have the bed lamp turned off but unplugged (it's funny but Jodie just said something similar). Anyway if anyone has any insight I would appreciate it. I need to make a decision. I know probably the best solution would be for me to buy out my current lease but it's a long story and would probably be my last option, Thanks for your help, jw Jennie Wassenaar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 The air conditioning puts out EMF also. I had severe nerve pain in my jaw last summer & didn't figure it out till this year that it was the a/c in my vehicle blowing on my face. So this year I pointed the a/c down & I had no pain this year. Who would have thought? Crazy! Loni From: Jennie Wassenaar <ad-in@...> Subject: Re: Vehicle Engine Date: Monday, October 12, 2009, 6:52 PM Â I had assumed that the EMS issues I have had in my vehicle in the past were related to being near the engine - when I moved farther back in the vehicle I felt better. But if I understand you correctly it has more to do with the items you listed than the actual engine itself? The expedition I am looking at has about the same type of electronics as my current Explorer. A lot less than the 2010 I was looking at. I have already decided what ever vehicle I get I'm keeping it until they have to tow it to the junk yard. Thanks for your info, jw Jennie Wassenaar ____________ _________ _________ __ From: Marc <marcufoseries (DOT) com> groups (DOT) com Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 8:09:03 PM Subject: Re: Vehicle Engine > would a larger engine produce more > electromagnetic energy? Could this be an issue? I'd be more concerned about the electronics in the dashboard (LCD display?), in the doors (power windows/locks? ), and inside the seat you are sitting on (airbags and sensors?) Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 Hi, Jennie,  We have looked recently at vehicles too, since my car bit the dust (16 yo Mercury Sable) and my husband's wagon is 10 yo and needing repairs everytime we turn around. Some vehicles we tried drove me nuts everytime my husband turned a digital control--temp control, radio, windows up and down.... I found I reacted to any vehicle with satellite radio. Some trucks made my feet and legs hurt (don't know the issue there).... And some vehicles bothered me from the time the engine was turned on. This is not even taking MCS into account, as we drove everything with the windows down. lol We are looking for a truck, but think buying a 2007, before they put electronic everything on them might be our best bet.  Good luck; let us know how it goes, Diane From: Jennie Wassenaar <ad-in@...> Subject: Vehicle Engine " EMS " < > Date: Monday, October 12, 2009, 6:38 PM  My new vehicle saga continues. I went to the dealership and could not even sit in the Explorer with black leather seats. I took an Explorer with black cloth seats for a test drive but couldn't make it 5 minutes. They have a 2009 Expedition that would be great for my business and because it is used the " new car " smell has off gassed. Now the only concern I have is the engine size. The Expedition I am looking at has a larger engine than the Explore (I don't know the specifics). It seems to reason but I wanted to ask - would a larger engine produce more electromagnetic energy? Could this be an issue? My husband thinks it's a silly question and the difference if any would not be of concern. I had to remind him that I not only have to have the bed lamp turned off but unplugged (it's funny but Jodie just said something similar). Anyway if anyone has any insight I would appreciate it. I need to make a decision. I know probably the best solution would be for me to buy out my current lease but it's a long story and would probably be my last option, Thanks for your help, jw Jennie Wassenaar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 Hi again, Jennie,  One thing which might help you is now with the economic crisis (if you are in the States, at least), car dealerships go out of their way to make deals. I know this might not be the same with a lease, but maybe they will deal with you, too. The dealerships we tried (3 different ones) allowed us to " borrow " the vehicle we were trying out for an entire weekend to test drive! I rarely needed more than a half hour drive to try them (and find they didn't work for me), but for a vehicle I was truly thinking of buying, I would want to try it that long. The car I liked the best was a 2007 Toyota Avalon.  Diane From: Ian Kemp <ianandsue.kemp@...> Subject: RE: Vehicle Engine Date: Monday, October 12, 2009, 7:19 PM  Hi Jennie, I'd suggest that actual engine size should not be a significant problem, if at all. The ignition system just needs to produce a reasonable spark and that should be hardly any different for small or large cars. Number of cylinders (8, 6 or 4) might have a small effect. Diesel, if available, may be better than petrol - no ignition system. However as mentioned in my other mail, we found that for Sue the engine type/size and ignition system seem unimportant compared with other factors. How your body " feels " in the car compared to other ones, or your current car, may be your best guide. Hopefully a good long test drive should show you. Ian _____ From: groups (DOT) com [mailto:groups (DOT) com] On Behalf Of Jennie Wassenaar Sent: 12 October 2009 23:38 EMS Subject: Vehicle Engine My new vehicle saga continues. I went to the dealership and could not even sit in the Explorer with black leather seats. I took an Explorer with black cloth seats for a test drive but couldn't make it 5 minutes. They have a 2009 Expedition that would be great for my business and because it is used the " new car " smell has off gassed. Now the only concern I have is the engine size. The Expedition I am looking at has a larger engine than the Explore (I don't know the specifics). It seems to reason but I wanted to ask - would a larger engine produce more electromagnetic energy? Could this be an issue? My husband thinks it's a silly question and the difference if any would not be of concern. I had to remind him that I not only have to have the bed lamp turned off but unplugged (it's funny but Jodie just said something similar). Anyway if anyone has any insight I would appreciate it. I need to make a decision. I know probably the best solution would be for me to buy out my current lease but it's a long story and would probably be my last option, Thanks for your help, jw Jennie Wassenaar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 Hi Jennie, Yes, Sue felt the same, she had to sit in the back of the car for a couple of years while I drove her around as a chauffeur. But we became pretty certain it was the electronics in the dashboard that were having the biggest effect (and also the front speakers) rather than the engine itself. Either way, moving back helped! Ian _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Jennie Wassenaar Sent: 13 October 2009 02:55 Subject: Re: Vehicle Engine Thanks Ian, See the post I sent to Marc. It looks like you both are saying the same thing about the engine. As you said I know what my body feels and I know if just feels better the farther away I get from the front of the vehicle. Thanks again, jw Jennie Wassenaar ________________________________ From: Ian Kemp <ianandsue.kemp@ <mailto:ianandsue.kemp%40ukgateway.net> ukgateway.net> groups (DOT) <mailto:%40> com Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 7:19:26 PM Subject: RE: Vehicle Engine Hi Jennie, I'd suggest that actual engine size should not be a significant problem, if at all. The ignition system just needs to produce a reasonable spark and that should be hardly any different for small or large cars. Number of cylinders (8, 6 or 4) might have a small effect. Diesel, if available, may be better than petrol - no ignition system. However as mentioned in my other mail, we found that for Sue the engine type/size and ignition system seem unimportant compared with other factors. How your body " feels " in the car compared to other ones, or your current car, may be your best guide. Hopefully a good long test drive should show you. Ian _____ From: groups (DOT) com [mailto:groups (DOT) com] On Behalf Of Jennie Wassenaar Sent: 12 October 2009 23:38 EMS Subject: Vehicle Engine My new vehicle saga continues. I went to the dealership and could not even sit in the Explorer with black leather seats. I took an Explorer with black cloth seats for a test drive but couldn't make it 5 minutes. They have a 2009 Expedition that would be great for my business and because it is used the " new car " smell has off gassed. Now the only concern I have is the engine size. The Expedition I am looking at has a larger engine than the Explore (I don't know the specifics). It seems to reason but I wanted to ask - would a larger engine produce more electromagnetic energy? Could this be an issue? My husband thinks it's a silly question and the difference if any would not be of concern. I had to remind him that I not only have to have the bed lamp turned off but unplugged (it's funny but Jodie just said something similar). Anyway if anyone has any insight I would appreciate it. I need to make a decision. I know probably the best solution would be for me to buy out my current lease but it's a long story and would probably be my last option, Thanks for your help, jw Jennie Wassenaar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 Jennie, one further thought. Sue had her own small modern car which gave her severe problems. We got her an old car without central locking and modern electronics. This actually had a slightly bigger engine but Sue was able to sit in the front and drive it without any trouble, which she couldn't do in her car at the same distance from the engine. Hence our conclusion that the engine's a minor factor and size doesn't make a big difference. Ian _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Ian Kemp Sent: 13 October 2009 21:47 Subject: RE: Vehicle Engine Hi Jennie, Yes, Sue felt the same, she had to sit in the back of the car for a couple of years while I drove her around as a chauffeur. But we became pretty certain it was the electronics in the dashboard that were having the biggest effect (and also the front speakers) rather than the engine itself. Either way, moving back helped! Ian _____ From: groups (DOT) <mailto:%40> com [mailto:groups (DOT) <mailto:%40> com] On Behalf Of Jennie Wassenaar Sent: 13 October 2009 02:55 groups (DOT) <mailto:%40> com Subject: Re: Vehicle Engine Thanks Ian, See the post I sent to Marc. It looks like you both are saying the same thing about the engine. As you said I know what my body feels and I know if just feels better the farther away I get from the front of the vehicle. Thanks again, jw Jennie Wassenaar ________________________________ From: Ian Kemp <ianandsue.kemp@ <mailto:ianandsue.kemp%40ukgateway.net> ukgateway.net> groups (DOT) <mailto:%40> com Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 7:19:26 PM Subject: RE: Vehicle Engine Hi Jennie, I'd suggest that actual engine size should not be a significant problem, if at all. The ignition system just needs to produce a reasonable spark and that should be hardly any different for small or large cars. Number of cylinders (8, 6 or 4) might have a small effect. Diesel, if available, may be better than petrol - no ignition system. However as mentioned in my other mail, we found that for Sue the engine type/size and ignition system seem unimportant compared with other factors. How your body " feels " in the car compared to other ones, or your current car, may be your best guide. Hopefully a good long test drive should show you. Ian _____ From: groups (DOT) com [mailto:groups (DOT) com] On Behalf Of Jennie Wassenaar Sent: 12 October 2009 23:38 EMS Subject: Vehicle Engine My new vehicle saga continues. I went to the dealership and could not even sit in the Explorer with black leather seats. I took an Explorer with black cloth seats for a test drive but couldn't make it 5 minutes. They have a 2009 Expedition that would be great for my business and because it is used the " new car " smell has off gassed. Now the only concern I have is the engine size. The Expedition I am looking at has a larger engine than the Explore (I don't know the specifics). It seems to reason but I wanted to ask - would a larger engine produce more electromagnetic energy? Could this be an issue? My husband thinks it's a silly question and the difference if any would not be of concern. I had to remind him that I not only have to have the bed lamp turned off but unplugged (it's funny but Jodie just said something similar). Anyway if anyone has any insight I would appreciate it. I need to make a decision. I know probably the best solution would be for me to buy out my current lease but it's a long story and would probably be my last option, Thanks for your help, jw Jennie Wassenaar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 Use an AM radio to measure the relative strength of EMF produced by the ignition. You'll hear popping sounds. Open the hood and use a tape measure the find the distance where the popping just becomes faint. A four cylinder will have 1/2 the ignition sparks per revolution, but the smaller engine will rev more than say an 8 cylinder, but probably not twice as much. So overall a smaller engine may produce less EMF. You can also use an AM radio to sniff for nearby computers. I'd also find a vehicle where the fuse panel and battery are on the passenger side. If your looking at an older vehicle then find one where the coil and distributor are at the front of the engine. '93 Lexus LS400. The 2005 Caddy SRX is a good choice. Eli > > My new vehicle saga continues. I went to the dealership and could not even sit in the Explorer with black leather seats. I took an Explorer with black cloth seats for a test drive but couldn't make it 5 minutes. They have a 2009 Expedition that would be great for my business and because it is used the " new car " smell has off gassed. Now the only concern I have is the engine size. The Expedition I am looking at has a larger engine than the Explore (I don't know the specifics). It seems to reason but I wanted to ask - would a larger engine produce more electromagnetic energy? Could this be an issue? My husband thinks it's a silly question and the difference if any would not be of concern. I had to remind him that I not only have to have the bed lamp turned off but unplugged (it's funny but Jodie just said something similar). Anyway if anyone has any insight I would appreciate it. I need to make a decision. I know probably the best solution > would be for me to buy out my current lease but it's a long story and would probably be my last option, > > Thanks for your help, > > jw > > > Jennie Wassenaar > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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