Guest guest Posted March 6, 2006 Report Share Posted March 6, 2006 Hi, , I had CFIDS, FM, CMS, adrenal dysfunction, and many other problems (all of these were dxed and documented by multiple doctors). I have recovered, as well, tho I was ill for over 40 years and barely able to get out of bed for 13 years. I recovered, not due to measures to do with ES, but due to avoidance and clearing of toxins. I believe you did cure yourself thru avoidance of electrosmog and microwaves, tho. There are similarities between frequency overload and celiac disease/toxin overload. As for the people at your CFIDS forum.... I was accepted and even loved at my CFIDS forum up until the time I was dxed with celiac disease and began to recover. From then on, all I said was viewed as suspect. (Only a few close friends stuck by me.) One thing that kept getting said was " but we have nothing fun in our lives left but food. " In other words, they were not willing to try giving up something they ate for possible health. I suspect that they are also not willing to give up many of the modern conveniences, either. I used to go to CFIDS chats all the time and pwcs would say how they wished for a cure. But, truth is, presented with one, the great majority of them shrink away in fear and disbelief. In 1995, the CFIDS Chronicle had a *3 or 4 line* mention of 2 Italian doctors who tried a gluten-free/dairy free diet on 12 of their patients and had 10 of them recover. Barely got a notice. The entire rest of the journal was about possible causes of CFIDs, including a " stealth virus " , which got nearly a forth of the entire journal space. Today, this same journal is STILL writing articles which question what could possibly be causing CFIDS? You have to wonder just how hard they are looking, seeing as there's a growing body of us who have found the answer and they are still looking for other more promising answers. It is not that I don't believe there are multiple factors which can cause CFIDS. I do. But I find it a bit suspect when they do not embrace the answers and cures that are already available to them. Another 2 cents, Diane Doyon <prd34@...> wrote: Hi, I have been getting a lot of slack from a number of people on a number of groups for stating that I cured my CFS by getting away from the electrosmog and proposing that the microwaves and other forms of electromagnetic radiation might be the major factor in this disease process. They have accused me of a number of things - of not ever even having CFIDS and/or that I was trying to sell something. I am not trying to sell anything - just tell people the my story backed up by a lot of evidence. I wouldn't waste my time if I didn't believe this. Some people don't want to hear it. These are the same people who if they had never contracted CFS in the first place would have denied its existance - unless they had " peer- reviewed proof " - or something like that whatever that means. (And even then they would have denied that it existed.) There are still doctors today that deny CFS exists - just as there are even more people and doctors that deny EHS or ES exists. Anyone interested in dicsussing the relationship between microwaves/EMFs on CFIDS please join the following group: cfsemf/ Anyone interested in forming microwave-free sanctuairies, please joing the following group: emfrefugee/ May peace be with you. Doyon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2006 Report Share Posted March 7, 2006 Hello, I have a certain viewpoint. Mobile phone masts are not sickmaking! If they were, 100 % of people were sick at home, and that is not the case. About 70 % does not have complaints, YET !! It is 25 % of people who do have complaints. And those 25 % who are electrosensible do have a background. So, it is my opinion, that elektrosmog works like a catalyst for latent illness elements inside the body. Especially the pulsed RF radiation works like an enhancer and accelerator. That is the reason why the situation of electrosensibles worsens so quickly. If you have a background, you may become electrosensible by exposures between 200 and 2000 uW/m2. (People with no background can stand exposures of 20.000-40.000 uW/m2 without complaints). But! Once you have become electrosensible, you may react from 1 uW/m2, and some do react from 0,1 uW/m2. I have also found, that electrosensibles feel the elektrosmog fields over greater distances, than I can measure! The dangers lie not only with mobile phone masts alone. There is also danger from metal parts on beds (static magnetic fields DC) which can make you electrosensible. There is also danger from low frequency electrical and magnetic fields. And the mentioned *dirty power*, between 5 kHz and 150 kHz in our mains. In order to improve our situation, one can use shielding. On may use some *things* as marc often mentions. But it is also necessary to do something about the body. Inside our body we do have agents that do react to elektrosmog. An australian scientist wrote me, that tiny metal parts in the body may reinforce the incoming electromagnetic fields, and making cells and groups of cells *deaf*, so the communication between cells and the cell walls is lost and there occur faults in the overwriting of memory and DNA. Besides the mercury from amalgam tooth fillings we do have a big amount of several metals in the body. Deodorants contain a lot of aluminium. In cosmetics a lot of metals are used. (They wanted to operate an eye of my 70-year old neighbour. But she stopped using her eye make-up, and the eye healed itsself!). Furthermore we may have some diseases left, like the Epstein Barr virus. Lyme Disease may be present, and the source for MCS and CFS. I strongly recommend the book *Lyme Disease and Rife Machine* by Rosner. See www.lymebook.com So detox is very important. There are several ways in doing that. I use the ionic foot spa. We know that under the influence of RF radiation, worms feel very comfortable and multiply and grow well. We all have a lot of worms and parasites and bacteria in our body. Read the books of dr. Hulda . So, the matter of elektrosmog and electrosensibility and health is a very complex theme. In handling, do not forget the body. Do something about the body also. If you do, the resistance against elektrosmog will raise. Greetings, Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Norton Antivirus EMF and CFS Group > Hi, > > I have been getting a lot of slack from a number of people on a > number of groups for stating that I cured my CFS by getting away from > the electrosmog and proposing that the microwaves and other forms of > electromagnetic radiation might be the major factor in this disease > process. They have accused me of a number of things - of not ever > even having CFIDS and/or that I was trying to sell something. > > I am not trying to sell anything - just tell people the > my story backed up by a lot of evidence. I wouldn't waste my time if > I didn't believe this. Some people don't want to hear it. These are > the same people who if they had never contracted CFS in the first > place would have denied its existance - unless they had " peer- > reviewed proof " - or something like that whatever that means. (And > even then they would have denied that it existed.) There are still > doctors today that deny CFS exists - just as there are even more > people and doctors that deny EHS or ES exists. > > Anyone interested in dicsussing the relationship between > microwaves/EMFs on CFIDS please join the following group: > > cfsemf/ > > Anyone interested in forming microwave-free sanctuairies, > please joing the following group: > > emfrefugee/ > > > May peace be with you. > > Doyon > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2006 Report Share Posted March 7, 2006 I agree. On Mar 7, 2006, at 5:02 AM, charles wrote: > Hello, > > I have a certain viewpoint. > > Mobile phone masts are not sickmaking! > If they were, 100 % of people were sick at home, and that is not the > case. > About 70 % does not have complaints, YET !! > It is 25 % of people who do have complaints. > And those 25 % who are electrosensible do have a background. > > So, it is my opinion, that elektrosmog works like a catalyst for latent > illness elements inside the body. > Especially the pulsed RF radiation works like an enhancer and > accelerator. > That is the reason why the situation of electrosensibles worsens so > quickly. > > If you have a background, you may become electrosensible by exposures > between 200 and 2000 uW/m2. > (People with no background can stand exposures of 20.000-40.000 uW/m2 > without complaints). > But! > Once you have become electrosensible, you may react from 1 uW/m2, and > some > do react from 0,1 uW/m2. > I have also found, that electrosensibles feel the elektrosmog fields > over > greater distances, than I can measure! > > The dangers lie not only with mobile phone masts alone. > There is also danger from metal parts on beds (static magnetic fields > DC) > which can make you electrosensible. > There is also danger from low frequency electrical and magnetic fields. > And the mentioned *dirty power*, between 5 kHz and 150 kHz in our > mains. > > In order to improve our situation, one can use shielding. > On may use some *things* as marc often mentions. > But it is also necessary to do something about the body. > > Inside our body we do have agents that do react to elektrosmog. > An australian scientist wrote me, that tiny metal parts in the body may > reinforce the incoming electromagnetic fields, and making cells and > groups > of cells *deaf*, so the communication between cells and the cell walls > is > lost and there occur faults in the overwriting of memory and DNA. > Besides the mercury from amalgam tooth fillings we do have a big > amount of > several metals in the body. > Deodorants contain a lot of aluminium. > In cosmetics a lot of metals are used. > (They wanted to operate an eye of my 70-year old neighbour. But she > stopped > using her eye make-up, and the eye healed itsself!). > Furthermore we may have some diseases left, like the Epstein Barr > virus. > Lyme Disease may be present, and the source for MCS and CFS. > I strongly recommend the book *Lyme Disease and Rife Machine* by > Rosner. > See www.lymebook.com > > So detox is very important. > There are several ways in doing that. > I use the ionic foot spa. > > We know that under the influence of RF radiation, worms feel very > comfortable and multiply and grow well. > We all have a lot of worms and parasites and bacteria in our body. > Read the books of dr. Hulda . > > So, the matter of elektrosmog and electrosensibility and health is a > very > complex theme. > In handling, do not forget the body. > Do something about the body also. > If you do, the resistance against elektrosmog will raise. > > Greetings, > Claessens > member Verband Baubiologie > www.milieuziektes.nl > www.milieuziektes.be > www.hetbitje.nl > checked by Norton Antivirus > > > > > > EMF and CFS Group > > >> Hi, >> >> I have been getting a lot of slack from a number of people on a >> number of groups for stating that I cured my CFS by getting away from >> the electrosmog and proposing that the microwaves and other forms of >> electromagnetic radiation might be the major factor in this disease >> process. They have accused me of a number of things - of not ever >> even having CFIDS and/or that I was trying to sell something. >> >> I am not trying to sell anything - just tell people the >> my story backed up by a lot of evidence. I wouldn't waste my time if >> I didn't believe this. Some people don't want to hear it. These are >> the same people who if they had never contracted CFS in the first >> place would have denied its existance - unless they had " peer- >> reviewed proof " - or something like that whatever that means. (And >> even then they would have denied that it existed.) There are still >> doctors today that deny CFS exists - just as there are even more >> people and doctors that deny EHS or ES exists. >> >> Anyone interested in dicsussing the relationship between >> microwaves/EMFs on CFIDS please join the following group: >> >> cfsemf/ >> >> Anyone interested in forming microwave-free sanctuairies, >> please joing the following group: >> >> emfrefugee/ >> >> >> May peace be with you. >> >> Doyon >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2006 Report Share Posted March 7, 2006 , You make some very good points! I just want to mention one somewhat obvious point. Have you ever placed metal or aluminum foil in a microwave accidentally? That is very bad. So imagine what happens when a person who has a high metal load is placed in an external microwave field. We know that cell phone towers are open-air microwave transmitters. Even if these metals only respond in a small way to the microwave energy, this will become sickness to the body, because they are in the NERVOUS system and in the BRAIN which are our most sensitive organs. So I agree with your viewpoint, it is not only the cell towers, it is also probably the toxin load, particularly the metals that vibrate more in sympathy with the microwave transmissions. And so this tells us that probably a certain percentage of the population has metals in their body. But maybe this is not the same effect as e-sensitivity. I think that must be made more clear. The sympathetic metal-microwave effect could be a second problem, in addition to any e-sensitivity. But they must be related, probably both e-sensitivity and cell tower sensitivity are only present with there is a metal load. And also, e-sensitivity probably requires an ion channel problem (problem with electrolytes), which can be caused by some types of infections. But why do we have metals? There is some discussion in the CFS experimental research list now about this topic, they believe that it is due to an inherited liver defect with detoxification of metals. This is the same reason that some children become autistic when they receive mercury exposure, because they have a genetic liver problem. And the percentage of children with autism is now about the same as the percentage of adults with CFS, which supports the idea of a genetic cause for the metal loading. So this is an interesting new direction, I think this metals and EMF explanation are a key to the puzzle of CFS. --Kurt SPAM-LOW: Re: EMF and CFS Group Hello, I have a certain viewpoint. Mobile phone masts are not sickmaking! If they were, 100 % of people were sick at home, and that is not the case. About 70 % does not have complaints, YET !! It is 25 % of people who do have complaints. And those 25 % who are electrosensible do have a background. So, it is my opinion, that elektrosmog works like a catalyst for latent illness elements inside the body. Especially the pulsed RF radiation works like an enhancer and accelerator. That is the reason why the situation of electrosensibles worsens so quickly. If you have a background, you may become electrosensible by exposures between 200 and 2000 uW/m2. (People with no background can stand exposures of 20.000-40.000 uW/m2 without complaints). But! Once you have become electrosensible, you may react from 1 uW/m2, and some do react from 0,1 uW/m2. I have also found, that electrosensibles feel the elektrosmog fields over greater distances, than I can measure! The dangers lie not only with mobile phone masts alone. There is also danger from metal parts on beds (static magnetic fields DC) which can make you electrosensible. There is also danger from low frequency electrical and magnetic fields. And the mentioned *dirty power*, between 5 kHz and 150 kHz in our mains. In order to improve our situation, one can use shielding. On may use some *things* as marc often mentions. But it is also necessary to do something about the body. Inside our body we do have agents that do react to elektrosmog. An australian scientist wrote me, that tiny metal parts in the body may reinforce the incoming electromagnetic fields, and making cells and groups of cells *deaf*, so the communication between cells and the cell walls is lost and there occur faults in the overwriting of memory and DNA. Besides the mercury from amalgam tooth fillings we do have a big amount of several metals in the body. Deodorants contain a lot of aluminium. In cosmetics a lot of metals are used. (They wanted to operate an eye of my 70-year old neighbour. But she stopped using her eye make-up, and the eye healed itsself!). Furthermore we may have some diseases left, like the Epstein Barr virus. Lyme Disease may be present, and the source for MCS and CFS. I strongly recommend the book *Lyme Disease and Rife Machine* by Rosner. See www.lymebook.com So detox is very important. There are several ways in doing that. I use the ionic foot spa. We know that under the influence of RF radiation, worms feel very comfortable and multiply and grow well. We all have a lot of worms and parasites and bacteria in our body. Read the books of dr. Hulda . So, the matter of elektrosmog and electrosensibility and health is a very complex theme. In handling, do not forget the body. Do something about the body also. If you do, the resistance against elektrosmog will raise. Greetings, Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Norton Antivirus EMF and CFS Group > Hi, > > I have been getting a lot of slack from a number of people on a > number of groups for stating that I cured my CFS by getting away from > the electrosmog and proposing that the microwaves and other forms of > electromagnetic radiation might be the major factor in this disease > process. They have accused me of a number of things - of not ever > even having CFIDS and/or that I was trying to sell something. > > I am not trying to sell anything - just tell people the > my story backed up by a lot of evidence. I wouldn't waste my time if > I didn't believe this. Some people don't want to hear it. These are > the same people who if they had never contracted CFS in the first > place would have denied its existance - unless they had " peer- > reviewed proof " - or something like that whatever that means. (And > even then they would have denied that it existed.) There are still > doctors today that deny CFS exists - just as there are even more > people and doctors that deny EHS or ES exists. > > Anyone interested in dicsussing the relationship between > microwaves/EMFs on CFIDS please join the following group: > > cfsemf/ > > Anyone interested in forming microwave-free sanctuairies, > please joing the following group: > > emfrefugee/ > > > May peace be with you. > > Doyon > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2006 Report Share Posted March 7, 2006 Hi, , Thanks for your input on this. I was under the impression, too, that perhaps what I had in common with the ES community was that RF radiation helps infectuous organisms to grow, but I was not sure about that, so didn't mention it in my reply re curing CFIDS. (I thought I saw a website here awhile ago that said that.) Since ES is not a big problem for me (except when I received a cell phone for Christmas from my parents), I really am not up on all the research. It was surprising to me, tho, that after I used the cell phone only twice, I had a huge fungal reaction, which severely affected my ferritin stores to the point that my thumbnails became " spooned " ! It seemed to cause anemia almost immediately! I am still recovering from that. Thanks again for the info, Diane charles <charles@...> wrote: Hello, I have a certain viewpoint. Mobile phone masts are not sickmaking! If they were, 100 % of people were sick at home, and that is not the case. About 70 % does not have complaints, YET !! It is 25 % of people who do have complaints. And those 25 % who are electrosensible do have a background. So, it is my opinion, that elektrosmog works like a catalyst for latent illness elements inside the body. Especially the pulsed RF radiation works like an enhancer and accelerator. That is the reason why the situation of electrosensibles worsens so quickly. If you have a background, you may become electrosensible by exposures between 200 and 2000 uW/m2. (People with no background can stand exposures of 20.000-40.000 uW/m2 without complaints). But! Once you have become electrosensible, you may react from 1 uW/m2, and some do react from 0,1 uW/m2. I have also found, that electrosensibles feel the elektrosmog fields over greater distances, than I can measure! The dangers lie not only with mobile phone masts alone. There is also danger from metal parts on beds (static magnetic fields DC) which can make you electrosensible. There is also danger from low frequency electrical and magnetic fields. And the mentioned *dirty power*, between 5 kHz and 150 kHz in our mains. In order to improve our situation, one can use shielding. On may use some *things* as marc often mentions. But it is also necessary to do something about the body. Inside our body we do have agents that do react to elektrosmog. An australian scientist wrote me, that tiny metal parts in the body may reinforce the incoming electromagnetic fields, and making cells and groups of cells *deaf*, so the communication between cells and the cell walls is lost and there occur faults in the overwriting of memory and DNA. Besides the mercury from amalgam tooth fillings we do have a big amount of several metals in the body. Deodorants contain a lot of aluminium. In cosmetics a lot of metals are used. (They wanted to operate an eye of my 70-year old neighbour. But she stopped using her eye make-up, and the eye healed itsself!). Furthermore we may have some diseases left, like the Epstein Barr virus. Lyme Disease may be present, and the source for MCS and CFS. I strongly recommend the book *Lyme Disease and Rife Machine* by Rosner. See www.lymebook.com So detox is very important. There are several ways in doing that. I use the ionic foot spa. We know that under the influence of RF radiation, worms feel very comfortable and multiply and grow well. We all have a lot of worms and parasites and bacteria in our body. Read the books of dr. Hulda . So, the matter of elektrosmog and electrosensibility and health is a very complex theme. In handling, do not forget the body. Do something about the body also. If you do, the resistance against elektrosmog will raise. Greetings, Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Norton Antivirus EMF and CFS Group > Hi, > > I have been getting a lot of slack from a number of people on a > number of groups for stating that I cured my CFS by getting away from > the electrosmog and proposing that the microwaves and other forms of > electromagnetic radiation might be the major factor in this disease > process. They have accused me of a number of things - of not ever > even having CFIDS and/or that I was trying to sell something. > > I am not trying to sell anything - just tell people the > my story backed up by a lot of evidence. I wouldn't waste my time if > I didn't believe this. Some people don't want to hear it. These are > the same people who if they had never contracted CFS in the first > place would have denied its existance - unless they had " peer- > reviewed proof " - or something like that whatever that means. (And > even then they would have denied that it existed.) There are still > doctors today that deny CFS exists - just as there are even more > people and doctors that deny EHS or ES exists. > > Anyone interested in dicsussing the relationship between > microwaves/EMFs on CFIDS please join the following group: > > cfsemf/ > > Anyone interested in forming microwave-free sanctuairies, > please joing the following group: > > emfrefugee/ > > > May peace be with you. > > Doyon > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2006 Report Share Posted March 7, 2006 I strongly advise reading *Lyme disease and Rife machines* from www.lymebook.com. It clearly explains what Lyme disease does and how it works and how it defends itsself and is a master in hiding. It explains why antibiotics seem to work, that is, give the impression that they work, while they only give reason for the Lyme disease to hide, and why after one year the disease is coming back, but now hits very hard. It may be the source for MCS and CFS. Anyway, it explains a lot and brings more understanding, also for electrosensibles. Greetings, Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Norton Antivirus Re: EMF and CFS Group > Hi, , > > Thanks for your input on this. I was under the impression, too, that > perhaps what I had in common with the ES community was that RF radiation > helps infectuous organisms to grow, but I was not sure about that, so > didn't mention it in my reply re curing CFIDS. (I thought I saw a website > here awhile ago that said that.) Since ES is not a big problem for me > (except when I received a cell phone for Christmas from my parents), I > really am not up on all the research. It was surprising to me, tho, that > after I used the cell phone only twice, I had a huge fungal reaction, > which severely affected my ferritin stores to the point that my thumbnails > became " spooned " ! It seemed to cause anemia almost immediately! I am > still recovering from that. > > Thanks again for the info, > Diane > > charles <charles@...> wrote: > Hello, > > I have a certain viewpoint. > > Mobile phone masts are not sickmaking! > If they were, 100 % of people were sick at home, and that is not the case. > About 70 % does not have complaints, YET !! > It is 25 % of people who do have complaints. > And those 25 % who are electrosensible do have a background. > > So, it is my opinion, that elektrosmog works like a catalyst for latent > illness elements inside the body. > Especially the pulsed RF radiation works like an enhancer and accelerator. > That is the reason why the situation of electrosensibles worsens so > quickly. > > If you have a background, you may become electrosensible by exposures > between 200 and 2000 uW/m2. > (People with no background can stand exposures of 20.000-40.000 uW/m2 > without complaints). > But! > Once you have become electrosensible, you may react from 1 uW/m2, and some > do react from 0,1 uW/m2. > I have also found, that electrosensibles feel the elektrosmog fields over > greater distances, than I can measure! > > The dangers lie not only with mobile phone masts alone. > There is also danger from metal parts on beds (static magnetic fields DC) > which can make you electrosensible. > There is also danger from low frequency electrical and magnetic fields. > And the mentioned *dirty power*, between 5 kHz and 150 kHz in our mains. > > In order to improve our situation, one can use shielding. > On may use some *things* as marc often mentions. > But it is also necessary to do something about the body. > > Inside our body we do have agents that do react to elektrosmog. > An australian scientist wrote me, that tiny metal parts in the body may > reinforce the incoming electromagnetic fields, and making cells and groups > of cells *deaf*, so the communication between cells and the cell walls is > lost and there occur faults in the overwriting of memory and DNA. > Besides the mercury from amalgam tooth fillings we do have a big amount of > several metals in the body. > Deodorants contain a lot of aluminium. > In cosmetics a lot of metals are used. > (They wanted to operate an eye of my 70-year old neighbour. But she > stopped > using her eye make-up, and the eye healed itsself!). > Furthermore we may have some diseases left, like the Epstein Barr virus. > Lyme Disease may be present, and the source for MCS and CFS. > I strongly recommend the book *Lyme Disease and Rife Machine* by > Rosner. > See www.lymebook.com > > So detox is very important. > There are several ways in doing that. > I use the ionic foot spa. > > We know that under the influence of RF radiation, worms feel very > comfortable and multiply and grow well. > We all have a lot of worms and parasites and bacteria in our body. > Read the books of dr. Hulda . > > So, the matter of elektrosmog and electrosensibility and health is a very > complex theme. > In handling, do not forget the body. > Do something about the body also. > If you do, the resistance against elektrosmog will raise. > > Greetings, > Claessens > member Verband Baubiologie > www.milieuziektes.nl > www.milieuziektes.be > www.hetbitje.nl > checked by Norton Antivirus > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2006 Report Share Posted March 7, 2006 Hi, Kurt, A large percentage of autistics also have gluten and casein intolerance. You can read about this at: www.gfcfdiet.com There is a common thread, tho, and it is this: glutens cause the tight junction channels to open up which allows toxins--infectuous and metal--to pass into our blood streams and brains. There are tight junctions in the gut, the blood-brain barrier, the heart, and lungs. It is interesting, tho, that there was a website passed around a few months ago (November or December, I think--it was on a large list of sites someone sent), that said that EMFs cause tight junctions in the blood-brain barrier to open, as well. Here is a link which has an interview with Dr Fascano, a celiac disease (genetic gluten intolerance) researcher. He explains in it how each time ANYONE eats glutens they expose themselves to potentially harmful toxins: http://www.abc.net.au/rn/talks/8.30/helthrpt/stories/s1439372.htm Diane " Kurt R. " <kurt@...> wrote: , You make some very good points! I just want to mention one somewhat obvious point. Have you ever placed metal or aluminum foil in a microwave accidentally? That is very bad. So imagine what happens when a person who has a high metal load is placed in an external microwave field. We know that cell phone towers are open-air microwave transmitters. Even if these metals only respond in a small way to the microwave energy, this will become sickness to the body, because they are in the NERVOUS system and in the BRAIN which are our most sensitive organs. So I agree with your viewpoint, it is not only the cell towers, it is also probably the toxin load, particularly the metals that vibrate more in sympathy with the microwave transmissions. And so this tells us that probably a certain percentage of the population has metals in their body. But maybe this is not the same effect as e-sensitivity. I think that must be made more clear. The sympathetic metal-microwave effect could be a second problem, in addition to any e-sensitivity. But they must be related, probably both e-sensitivity and cell tower sensitivity are only present with there is a metal load. And also, e-sensitivity probably requires an ion channel problem (problem with electrolytes), which can be caused by some types of infections. But why do we have metals? There is some discussion in the CFS experimental research list now about this topic, they believe that it is due to an inherited liver defect with detoxification of metals. This is the same reason that some children become autistic when they receive mercury exposure, because they have a genetic liver problem. And the percentage of children with autism is now about the same as the percentage of adults with CFS, which supports the idea of a genetic cause for the metal loading. So this is an interesting new direction, I think this metals and EMF explanation are a key to the puzzle of CFS. --Kurt SPAM-LOW: Re: EMF and CFS Group Hello, I have a certain viewpoint. Mobile phone masts are not sickmaking! If they were, 100 % of people were sick at home, and that is not the case. About 70 % does not have complaints, YET !! It is 25 % of people who do have complaints. And those 25 % who are electrosensible do have a background. So, it is my opinion, that elektrosmog works like a catalyst for latent illness elements inside the body. Especially the pulsed RF radiation works like an enhancer and accelerator. That is the reason why the situation of electrosensibles worsens so quickly. If you have a background, you may become electrosensible by exposures between 200 and 2000 uW/m2. (People with no background can stand exposures of 20.000-40.000 uW/m2 without complaints). But! Once you have become electrosensible, you may react from 1 uW/m2, and some do react from 0,1 uW/m2. I have also found, that electrosensibles feel the elektrosmog fields over greater distances, than I can measure! The dangers lie not only with mobile phone masts alone. There is also danger from metal parts on beds (static magnetic fields DC) which can make you electrosensible. There is also danger from low frequency electrical and magnetic fields. And the mentioned *dirty power*, between 5 kHz and 150 kHz in our mains. In order to improve our situation, one can use shielding. On may use some *things* as marc often mentions. But it is also necessary to do something about the body. Inside our body we do have agents that do react to elektrosmog. An australian scientist wrote me, that tiny metal parts in the body may reinforce the incoming electromagnetic fields, and making cells and groups of cells *deaf*, so the communication between cells and the cell walls is lost and there occur faults in the overwriting of memory and DNA. Besides the mercury from amalgam tooth fillings we do have a big amount of several metals in the body. Deodorants contain a lot of aluminium. In cosmetics a lot of metals are used. (They wanted to operate an eye of my 70-year old neighbour. But she stopped using her eye make-up, and the eye healed itsself!). Furthermore we may have some diseases left, like the Epstein Barr virus. Lyme Disease may be present, and the source for MCS and CFS. I strongly recommend the book *Lyme Disease and Rife Machine* by Rosner. See www.lymebook.com So detox is very important. There are several ways in doing that. I use the ionic foot spa. We know that under the influence of RF radiation, worms feel very comfortable and multiply and grow well. We all have a lot of worms and parasites and bacteria in our body. Read the books of dr. Hulda . So, the matter of elektrosmog and electrosensibility and health is a very complex theme. In handling, do not forget the body. Do something about the body also. If you do, the resistance against elektrosmog will raise. Greetings, Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Norton Antivirus EMF and CFS Group > Hi, > > I have been getting a lot of slack from a number of people on a > number of groups for stating that I cured my CFS by getting away from > the electrosmog and proposing that the microwaves and other forms of > electromagnetic radiation might be the major factor in this disease > process. They have accused me of a number of things - of not ever > even having CFIDS and/or that I was trying to sell something. > > I am not trying to sell anything - just tell people the > my story backed up by a lot of evidence. I wouldn't waste my time if > I didn't believe this. Some people don't want to hear it. These are > the same people who if they had never contracted CFS in the first > place would have denied its existance - unless they had " peer- > reviewed proof " - or something like that whatever that means. (And > even then they would have denied that it existed.) There are still > doctors today that deny CFS exists - just as there are even more > people and doctors that deny EHS or ES exists. > > Anyone interested in dicsussing the relationship between > microwaves/EMFs on CFIDS please join the following group: > > cfsemf/ > > Anyone interested in forming microwave-free sanctuairies, > please joing the following group: > > emfrefugee/ > > > May peace be with you. > > Doyon > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2006 Report Share Posted March 7, 2006 Hi, , Lyme may be *A* source for MCS and CFS. I think it is fairly well proven that ANY toxin, in quantity enough to cause lymphatic congestion and great immune response, can cause CFS and MCS. This is why celiac disease, itself, is a great causal factor for CFIDS/ME. What I cannot wrap my mind around is why doctors/celiac researchers are not enlightening pwcs to these *known* causes. Diane charles <charles@...> wrote: I strongly advise reading *Lyme disease and Rife machines* from www.lymebook.com. It clearly explains what Lyme disease does and how it works and how it defends itsself and is a master in hiding. It explains why antibiotics seem to work, that is, give the impression that they work, while they only give reason for the Lyme disease to hide, and why after one year the disease is coming back, but now hits very hard. It may be the source for MCS and CFS. Anyway, it explains a lot and brings more understanding, also for electrosensibles. Greetings, Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Norton Antivirus Re: EMF and CFS Group > Hi, , > > Thanks for your input on this. I was under the impression, too, that > perhaps what I had in common with the ES community was that RF radiation > helps infectuous organisms to grow, but I was not sure about that, so > didn't mention it in my reply re curing CFIDS. (I thought I saw a website > here awhile ago that said that.) Since ES is not a big problem for me > (except when I received a cell phone for Christmas from my parents), I > really am not up on all the research. It was surprising to me, tho, that > after I used the cell phone only twice, I had a huge fungal reaction, > which severely affected my ferritin stores to the point that my thumbnails > became " spooned " ! It seemed to cause anemia almost immediately! I am > still recovering from that. > > Thanks again for the info, > Diane > > charles <charles@...> wrote: > Hello, > > I have a certain viewpoint. > > Mobile phone masts are not sickmaking! > If they were, 100 % of people were sick at home, and that is not the case. > About 70 % does not have complaints, YET !! > It is 25 % of people who do have complaints. > And those 25 % who are electrosensible do have a background. > > So, it is my opinion, that elektrosmog works like a catalyst for latent > illness elements inside the body. > Especially the pulsed RF radiation works like an enhancer and accelerator. > That is the reason why the situation of electrosensibles worsens so > quickly. > > If you have a background, you may become electrosensible by exposures > between 200 and 2000 uW/m2. > (People with no background can stand exposures of 20.000-40.000 uW/m2 > without complaints). > But! > Once you have become electrosensible, you may react from 1 uW/m2, and some > do react from 0,1 uW/m2. > I have also found, that electrosensibles feel the elektrosmog fields over > greater distances, than I can measure! > > The dangers lie not only with mobile phone masts alone. > There is also danger from metal parts on beds (static magnetic fields DC) > which can make you electrosensible. > There is also danger from low frequency electrical and magnetic fields. > And the mentioned *dirty power*, between 5 kHz and 150 kHz in our mains. > > In order to improve our situation, one can use shielding. > On may use some *things* as marc often mentions. > But it is also necessary to do something about the body. > > Inside our body we do have agents that do react to elektrosmog. > An australian scientist wrote me, that tiny metal parts in the body may > reinforce the incoming electromagnetic fields, and making cells and groups > of cells *deaf*, so the communication between cells and the cell walls is > lost and there occur faults in the overwriting of memory and DNA. > Besides the mercury from amalgam tooth fillings we do have a big amount of > several metals in the body. > Deodorants contain a lot of aluminium. > In cosmetics a lot of metals are used. > (They wanted to operate an eye of my 70-year old neighbour. But she > stopped > using her eye make-up, and the eye healed itsself!). > Furthermore we may have some diseases left, like the Epstein Barr virus. > Lyme Disease may be present, and the source for MCS and CFS. > I strongly recommend the book *Lyme Disease and Rife Machine* by > Rosner. > See www.lymebook.com > > So detox is very important. > There are several ways in doing that. > I use the ionic foot spa. > > We know that under the influence of RF radiation, worms feel very > comfortable and multiply and grow well. > We all have a lot of worms and parasites and bacteria in our body. > Read the books of dr. Hulda . > > So, the matter of elektrosmog and electrosensibility and health is a very > complex theme. > In handling, do not forget the body. > Do something about the body also. > If you do, the resistance against elektrosmog will raise. > > Greetings, > Claessens > member Verband Baubiologie > www.milieuziektes.nl > www.milieuziektes.be > www.hetbitje.nl > checked by Norton Antivirus > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2006 Report Share Posted March 7, 2006 Hello Diane, in the aforementioned book it is greatly explained, why most physicians do not look further into this matter. Because it is officially prohibited. Also the curing of for instance cancer is officially prohibited. Mostly the words *try* and *treatment* are used. Obviously the word *cure* is a dirty unspoken word. Big pharma dictates what is going on. Energy healing is a competitor, and should be avoided at all costs, they reason. Rife machines exist since 1930 ! It is a criminal act against humanity, that they are forbidden. Google for *Royal Rife*. Greetings, Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Norton Antivirus Re: EMF and CFS Group > > >> Hi, , >> >> Thanks for your input on this. I was under the impression, too, that >> perhaps what I had in common with the ES community was that RF radiation >> helps infectuous organisms to grow, but I was not sure about that, so >> didn't mention it in my reply re curing CFIDS. (I thought I saw a >> website >> here awhile ago that said that.) Since ES is not a big problem for me >> (except when I received a cell phone for Christmas from my parents), I >> really am not up on all the research. It was surprising to me, tho, that >> after I used the cell phone only twice, I had a huge fungal reaction, >> which severely affected my ferritin stores to the point that my >> thumbnails >> became " spooned " ! It seemed to cause anemia almost immediately! I am >> still recovering from that. >> >> Thanks again for the info, >> Diane >> >> charles <charles@...> wrote: >> Hello, >> >> I have a certain viewpoint. >> >> Mobile phone masts are not sickmaking! >> If they were, 100 % of people were sick at home, and that is not the >> case. >> About 70 % does not have complaints, YET !! >> It is 25 % of people who do have complaints. >> And those 25 % who are electrosensible do have a background. >> >> So, it is my opinion, that elektrosmog works like a catalyst for latent >> illness elements inside the body. >> Especially the pulsed RF radiation works like an enhancer and >> accelerator. >> That is the reason why the situation of electrosensibles worsens so >> quickly. >> >> If you have a background, you may become electrosensible by exposures >> between 200 and 2000 uW/m2. >> (People with no background can stand exposures of 20.000-40.000 uW/m2 >> without complaints). >> But! >> Once you have become electrosensible, you may react from 1 uW/m2, and >> some >> do react from 0,1 uW/m2. >> I have also found, that electrosensibles feel the elektrosmog fields over >> greater distances, than I can measure! >> >> The dangers lie not only with mobile phone masts alone. >> There is also danger from metal parts on beds (static magnetic fields DC) >> which can make you electrosensible. >> There is also danger from low frequency electrical and magnetic fields. >> And the mentioned *dirty power*, between 5 kHz and 150 kHz in our mains. >> >> In order to improve our situation, one can use shielding. >> On may use some *things* as marc often mentions. >> But it is also necessary to do something about the body. >> >> Inside our body we do have agents that do react to elektrosmog. >> An australian scientist wrote me, that tiny metal parts in the body may >> reinforce the incoming electromagnetic fields, and making cells and >> groups >> of cells *deaf*, so the communication between cells and the cell walls is >> lost and there occur faults in the overwriting of memory and DNA. >> Besides the mercury from amalgam tooth fillings we do have a big amount >> of >> several metals in the body. >> Deodorants contain a lot of aluminium. >> In cosmetics a lot of metals are used. >> (They wanted to operate an eye of my 70-year old neighbour. But she >> stopped >> using her eye make-up, and the eye healed itsself!). >> Furthermore we may have some diseases left, like the Epstein Barr virus. >> Lyme Disease may be present, and the source for MCS and CFS. >> I strongly recommend the book *Lyme Disease and Rife Machine* by >> Rosner. >> See www.lymebook.com >> >> So detox is very important. >> There are several ways in doing that. >> I use the ionic foot spa. >> >> We know that under the influence of RF radiation, worms feel very >> comfortable and multiply and grow well. >> We all have a lot of worms and parasites and bacteria in our body. >> Read the books of dr. Hulda . >> >> So, the matter of elektrosmog and electrosensibility and health is a very >> complex theme. >> In handling, do not forget the body. >> Do something about the body also. >> If you do, the resistance against elektrosmog will raise. >> >> Greetings, >> Claessens >> member Verband Baubiologie >> www.milieuziektes.nl >> www.milieuziektes.be >> www.hetbitje.nl >> checked by Norton Antivirus >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2006 Report Share Posted March 7, 2006 Hi , Well, lots of people in this group would be interested to hear your story, and won't give you stick! It is always good to hear of anything that actually helps people, to add to the collection of case studies. (Though experiences of group members vary quite widely). Best wishes, Ian _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Doyon Sent: 07 March 2006 02:05 Subject: EMF and CFS Group Hi, I have been getting a lot of slack from a number of people on a number of groups for stating that I cured my CFS by getting away from the electrosmog and proposing that the microwaves and other forms of electromagnetic radiation might be the major factor in this disease process. They have accused me of a number of things - of not ever even having CFIDS and/or that I was trying to sell something. I am not trying to sell anything - just tell people the my story backed up by a lot of evidence. I wouldn't waste my time if I didn't believe this. Some people don't want to hear it. These are the same people who if they had never contracted CFS in the first place would have denied its existance - unless they had " peer- reviewed proof " - or something like that whatever that means. (And even then they would have denied that it existed.) There are still doctors today that deny CFS exists - just as there are even more people and doctors that deny EHS or ES exists. Anyone interested in dicsussing the relationship between microwaves/EMFs on CFIDS please join the following group: cfsemf/ Anyone interested in forming microwave-free sanctuairies, please joing the following group: emfrefugee/ May peace be with you. Doyon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2006 Report Share Posted March 7, 2006 Thanks - some useful figures there. It's good to have some numerical estimates of the difference between ES and non-ES people in exposure tolerance. Ian _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of charles Sent: 07 March 2006 10:02 Subject: Re: EMF and CFS Group If you have a background, you may become electrosensible by exposures between 200 and 2000 uW/m2. (People with no background can stand exposures of 20.000-40.000 uW/m2 without complaints). But! Once you have become electrosensible, you may react from 1 uW/m2, and some do react from 0,1 uW/m2. I have also found, that electrosensibles feel the elektrosmog fields over greater distances, than I can measure! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2006 Report Share Posted March 7, 2006 Hi, , Thanks for pointing this out to me. (I did figure big pharma was behind all of this somehow, but I had hoped that CFIDS associations would not be swayed by them, as well.) My best to you, Diane charles <charles@...> wrote: Hello Diane, in the aforementioned book it is greatly explained, why most physicians do not look further into this matter. Because it is officially prohibited. Also the curing of for instance cancer is officially prohibited. Mostly the words *try* and *treatment* are used. Obviously the word *cure* is a dirty unspoken word. Big pharma dictates what is going on. Energy healing is a competitor, and should be avoided at all costs, they reason. Rife machines exist since 1930 ! It is a criminal act against humanity, that they are forbidden. Google for *Royal Rife*. Greetings, Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Norton Antivirus Re: EMF and CFS Group > > >> Hi, , >> >> Thanks for your input on this. I was under the impression, too, that >> perhaps what I had in common with the ES community was that RF radiation >> helps infectuous organisms to grow, but I was not sure about that, so >> didn't mention it in my reply re curing CFIDS. (I thought I saw a >> website >> here awhile ago that said that.) Since ES is not a big problem for me >> (except when I received a cell phone for Christmas from my parents), I >> really am not up on all the research. It was surprising to me, tho, that >> after I used the cell phone only twice, I had a huge fungal reaction, >> which severely affected my ferritin stores to the point that my >> thumbnails >> became " spooned " ! It seemed to cause anemia almost immediately! I am >> still recovering from that. >> >> Thanks again for the info, >> Diane >> >> charles <charles@...> wrote: >> Hello, >> >> I have a certain viewpoint. >> >> Mobile phone masts are not sickmaking! >> If they were, 100 % of people were sick at home, and that is not the >> case. >> About 70 % does not have complaints, YET !! >> It is 25 % of people who do have complaints. >> And those 25 % who are electrosensible do have a background. >> >> So, it is my opinion, that elektrosmog works like a catalyst for latent >> illness elements inside the body. >> Especially the pulsed RF radiation works like an enhancer and >> accelerator. >> That is the reason why the situation of electrosensibles worsens so >> quickly. >> >> If you have a background, you may become electrosensible by exposures >> between 200 and 2000 uW/m2. >> (People with no background can stand exposures of 20.000-40.000 uW/m2 >> without complaints). >> But! >> Once you have become electrosensible, you may react from 1 uW/m2, and >> some >> do react from 0,1 uW/m2. >> I have also found, that electrosensibles feel the elektrosmog fields over >> greater distances, than I can measure! >> >> The dangers lie not only with mobile phone masts alone. >> There is also danger from metal parts on beds (static magnetic fields DC) >> which can make you electrosensible. >> There is also danger from low frequency electrical and magnetic fields. >> And the mentioned *dirty power*, between 5 kHz and 150 kHz in our mains. >> >> In order to improve our situation, one can use shielding. >> On may use some *things* as marc often mentions. >> But it is also necessary to do something about the body. >> >> Inside our body we do have agents that do react to elektrosmog. >> An australian scientist wrote me, that tiny metal parts in the body may >> reinforce the incoming electromagnetic fields, and making cells and >> groups >> of cells *deaf*, so the communication between cells and the cell walls is >> lost and there occur faults in the overwriting of memory and DNA. >> Besides the mercury from amalgam tooth fillings we do have a big amount >> of >> several metals in the body. >> Deodorants contain a lot of aluminium. >> In cosmetics a lot of metals are used. >> (They wanted to operate an eye of my 70-year old neighbour. But she >> stopped >> using her eye make-up, and the eye healed itsself!). >> Furthermore we may have some diseases left, like the Epstein Barr virus. >> Lyme Disease may be present, and the source for MCS and CFS. >> I strongly recommend the book *Lyme Disease and Rife Machine* by >> Rosner. >> See www.lymebook.com >> >> So detox is very important. >> There are several ways in doing that. >> I use the ionic foot spa. >> >> We know that under the influence of RF radiation, worms feel very >> comfortable and multiply and grow well. >> We all have a lot of worms and parasites and bacteria in our body. >> Read the books of dr. Hulda . >> >> So, the matter of elektrosmog and electrosensibility and health is a very >> complex theme. >> In handling, do not forget the body. >> Do something about the body also. >> If you do, the resistance against elektrosmog will raise. >> >> Greetings, >> Claessens >> member Verband Baubiologie >> www.milieuziektes.nl >> www.milieuziektes.be >> www.hetbitje.nl >> checked by Norton Antivirus >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2006 Report Share Posted March 8, 2006 I have an opinion without evidence. There is an effect called the bioelectric effect, where the growth rate of microorganisms is affected by direct current or RF radiation. The microorganisms affected usually live in a scunge or plaque called biofilm. Mercury fillings are associated with es, and electric currents in the mouth called oral electrogalvanism. I believe that radiation hits the fillings, causes the electric current and aggravates the bugs in the mouth (including tooth plaque) and gums, including candida, via the bioelectric effect. If anybody would get off their backside this would be easy to prove. Candida is thought now to have a primary dental focus. Then once someone has had it for years and are sensitized they are in trouble. They have been trying to take advantage of this effect to run electricity deliberately through metallic implants to stop them getting infected with certain organisms, but could not control it. After a while of this your metal detox systems are stuffed. By the way, in Australia we have a government website listing the exact placement dates and locations of all registered antennas, and I am getting some preliminary results using it for research. I would be very interested if any other countries had similarly detailed lists (exact location, antenna type, power, placement date) for my investigation. The British one did not have quite enough information. Expressions of interest welcome. Regards Rowan. > > , > > You make some very good points! > > I just want to mention one somewhat obvious point. > > Have you ever placed metal or aluminum foil in a microwave accidentally? > That is very bad. > > So imagine what happens when a person who has a high metal load is > placed in an external microwave field. We know that cell phone towers > are open-air microwave transmitters. Even if these metals only respond > in a small way to the microwave energy, this will become sickness to the > body, because they are in the NERVOUS system and in the BRAIN which are > our most sensitive organs. > > So I agree with your viewpoint, it is not only the cell towers, it is > also probably the toxin load, particularly the metals that vibrate more > in sympathy with the microwave transmissions. > > And so this tells us that probably a certain percentage of the > population has metals in their body. > > But maybe this is not the same effect as e-sensitivity. I think that > must be made more clear. The sympathetic metal-microwave effect could > be a second problem, in addition to any e-sensitivity. But they must be > related, probably both e-sensitivity and cell tower sensitivity are only > present with there is a metal load. And also, e-sensitivity probably > requires an ion channel problem (problem with electrolytes), which can > be caused by some types of infections. > > But why do we have metals? There is some discussion in the CFS > experimental research list now about this topic, they believe that it is > due to an inherited liver defect with detoxification of metals. This is > the same reason that some children become autistic when they receive > mercury exposure, because they have a genetic liver problem. And the > percentage of children with autism is now about the same as the > percentage of adults with CFS, which supports the idea of a genetic > cause for the metal loading. So this is an interesting new direction, I > think this metals and EMF explanation are a key to the puzzle of CFS. > > --Kurt > > > > > SPAM-LOW: Re: EMF and CFS Group > > Hello, > > I have a certain viewpoint. > > Mobile phone masts are not sickmaking! > If they were, 100 % of people were sick at home, and that is not the > case. > About 70 % does not have complaints, YET !! > It is 25 % of people who do have complaints. > And those 25 % who are electrosensible do have a background. > > So, it is my opinion, that elektrosmog works like a catalyst for latent > illness elements inside the body. > Especially the pulsed RF radiation works like an enhancer and > accelerator. > That is the reason why the situation of electrosensibles worsens so > quickly. > > If you have a background, you may become electrosensible by exposures > between 200 and 2000 uW/m2. > (People with no background can stand exposures of 20.000-40.000 uW/ m2 > without complaints). > But! > Once you have become electrosensible, you may react from 1 uW/m2, and > some > do react from 0,1 uW/m2. > I have also found, that electrosensibles feel the elektrosmog fields > over > greater distances, than I can measure! > > The dangers lie not only with mobile phone masts alone. > There is also danger from metal parts on beds (static magnetic fields > DC) > which can make you electrosensible. > There is also danger from low frequency electrical and magnetic fields. > And the mentioned *dirty power*, between 5 kHz and 150 kHz in our mains. > > In order to improve our situation, one can use shielding. > On may use some *things* as marc often mentions. > But it is also necessary to do something about the body. > > Inside our body we do have agents that do react to elektrosmog. > An australian scientist wrote me, that tiny metal parts in the body may > reinforce the incoming electromagnetic fields, and making cells and > groups > of cells *deaf*, so the communication between cells and the cell walls > is > lost and there occur faults in the overwriting of memory and DNA. > Besides the mercury from amalgam tooth fillings we do have a big amount > of > several metals in the body. > Deodorants contain a lot of aluminium. > In cosmetics a lot of metals are used. > (They wanted to operate an eye of my 70-year old neighbour. But she > stopped > using her eye make-up, and the eye healed itsself!). > Furthermore we may have some diseases left, like the Epstein Barr virus. > Lyme Disease may be present, and the source for MCS and CFS. > I strongly recommend the book *Lyme Disease and Rife Machine* by > Rosner. > See www.lymebook.com > > So detox is very important. > There are several ways in doing that. > I use the ionic foot spa. > > We know that under the influence of RF radiation, worms feel very > comfortable and multiply and grow well. > We all have a lot of worms and parasites and bacteria in our body. > Read the books of dr. Hulda . > > So, the matter of elektrosmog and electrosensibility and health is a > very > complex theme. > In handling, do not forget the body. > Do something about the body also. > If you do, the resistance against elektrosmog will raise. > > Greetings, > Claessens > member Verband Baubiologie > www.milieuziektes.nl > www.milieuziektes.be > www.hetbitje.nl > checked by Norton Antivirus > > > > > > EMF and CFS Group > > > > Hi, > > > > I have been getting a lot of slack from a number of people on a > > number of groups for stating that I cured my CFS by getting away from > > the electrosmog and proposing that the microwaves and other forms of > > electromagnetic radiation might be the major factor in this disease > > process. They have accused me of a number of things - of not ever > > even having CFIDS and/or that I was trying to sell something. > > > > I am not trying to sell anything - just tell people the > > my story backed up by a lot of evidence. I wouldn't waste my time if > > I didn't believe this. Some people don't want to hear it. These are > > the same people who if they had never contracted CFS in the first > > place would have denied its existance - unless they had " peer- > > reviewed proof " - or something like that whatever that means. (And > > even then they would have denied that it existed.) There are still > > doctors today that deny CFS exists - just as there are even more > > people and doctors that deny EHS or ES exists. > > > > Anyone interested in dicsussing the relationship between > > microwaves/EMFs on CFIDS please join the following group: > > > > cfsemf/ > > > > Anyone interested in forming microwave-free sanctuairies, > > please joing the following group: > > > > emfrefugee/ > > > > > > May peace be with you. > > > > Doyon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2006 Report Share Posted March 8, 2006 Hello Rowan, your opinion is right. But, it is possible that persons may have a lot of electrosensible symptoms, without being in an elektrosmog-rich surrounding. Candida albicans and aspergillus niger may be the cause for the same health symptoms as elektrosmog! In Germany, Switserland and the Netherlands, one may look on the internet and give the zip code, and one may find a lot of transmitters. However, they are in such a hurry with placing them, that the registrations is way behind reality. Especially in Switserland, they have to registrate not only the send capacity, but also the direction and angle of transmissions. Greetings, Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Norton Antivirus EMF and CFS Group >> >> >> > Hi, >> > >> > I have been getting a lot of slack from a number of people on a >> > number of groups for stating that I cured my CFS by getting away > from >> > the electrosmog and proposing that the microwaves and other forms > of >> > electromagnetic radiation might be the major factor in this > disease >> > process. They have accused me of a number of things - of not ever >> > even having CFIDS and/or that I was trying to sell something. >> > >> > I am not trying to sell anything - just tell people the >> > my story backed up by a lot of evidence. I wouldn't waste my time > if >> > I didn't believe this. Some people don't want to hear it. These > are >> > the same people who if they had never contracted CFS in the first >> > place would have denied its existance - unless they had " peer- >> > reviewed proof " - or something like that whatever that means. (And >> > even then they would have denied that it existed.) There are still >> > doctors today that deny CFS exists - just as there are even more >> > people and doctors that deny EHS or ES exists. >> > >> > Anyone interested in dicsussing the relationship between >> > microwaves/EMFs on CFIDS please join the following group: >> > >> > cfsemf/ >> > >> > Anyone interested in forming microwave-free sanctuairies, >> > please joing the following group: >> > >> > emfrefugee/ >> > >> > >> > May peace be with you. >> > >> > Doyon >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2006 Report Share Posted March 8, 2006 , I'd be interested to know what you know about aspergillus niger causing the same symptoms as elektrosmog. I got MCS four years ago from prolonged exposure to several toxic molds. EMF sensitivity has come since November when I bought a cell phone. I've never heard of a mold/EMF connection except through MCS first. nn -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: " charles " <charles@...> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2006 Report Share Posted March 8, 2006 Hello nn, I got that information from the Bible for the building biologists, *Stress durch Strom und Strahlung* by Wolfgang Maes. He did find that in several house investigations. He also developed a special *baubiologische Agar*. That is a blue petri dish where one puts a sample of the cicumspect material in, and after a few days, one sees what is growing. Sometimes I take samples of sputum and let it grow. When the blue items are growing I inform the people that they probably do have the candida albicans and they have to visit their physician in order to get a treatment. Greetings, Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Norton Antivirus Re: Re: EMF and CFS Group > , > I'd be interested to know what you know about aspergillus niger causing > the same symptoms as elektrosmog. I got MCS four years ago from prolonged > exposure to several toxic molds. EMF sensitivity has come since November > when I bought a cell phone. I've never heard of a mold/EMF connection > except through MCS first. > nn > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > From: " charles " <charles@...> > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2006 Report Share Posted March 8, 2006 Thanks, very interesting. Then this is really NOT celiac, which is a problem with auto-immune response in the intestinal villi. is that correct? Rather it is some other gluten reaction. So what about casein? I don't see the role for that problem in your explanation..just curious. --Kurt SPAM-LOW: Re: EMF and CFS Group Hello, I have a certain viewpoint. Mobile phone masts are not sickmaking! If they were, 100 % of people were sick at home, and that is not the case. About 70 % does not have complaints, YET !! It is 25 % of people who do have complaints. And those 25 % who are electrosensible do have a background. So, it is my opinion, that elektrosmog works like a catalyst for latent illness elements inside the body. Especially the pulsed RF radiation works like an enhancer and accelerator. That is the reason why the situation of electrosensibles worsens so quickly. If you have a background, you may become electrosensible by exposures between 200 and 2000 uW/m2. (People with no background can stand exposures of 20.000-40.000 uW/m2 without complaints). But! Once you have become electrosensible, you may react from 1 uW/m2, and some do react from 0,1 uW/m2. I have also found, that electrosensibles feel the elektrosmog fields over greater distances, than I can measure! The dangers lie not only with mobile phone masts alone. There is also danger from metal parts on beds (static magnetic fields DC) which can make you electrosensible. There is also danger from low frequency electrical and magnetic fields. And the mentioned *dirty power*, between 5 kHz and 150 kHz in our mains. In order to improve our situation, one can use shielding. On may use some *things* as marc often mentions. But it is also necessary to do something about the body. Inside our body we do have agents that do react to elektrosmog. An australian scientist wrote me, that tiny metal parts in the body may reinforce the incoming electromagnetic fields, and making cells and groups of cells *deaf*, so the communication between cells and the cell walls is lost and there occur faults in the overwriting of memory and DNA. Besides the mercury from amalgam tooth fillings we do have a big amount of several metals in the body. Deodorants contain a lot of aluminium. In cosmetics a lot of metals are used. (They wanted to operate an eye of my 70-year old neighbour. But she stopped using her eye make-up, and the eye healed itsself!). Furthermore we may have some diseases left, like the Epstein Barr virus. Lyme Disease may be present, and the source for MCS and CFS. I strongly recommend the book *Lyme Disease and Rife Machine* by Rosner. See www.lymebook.com So detox is very important. There are several ways in doing that. I use the ionic foot spa. We know that under the influence of RF radiation, worms feel very comfortable and multiply and grow well. We all have a lot of worms and parasites and bacteria in our body. Read the books of dr. Hulda . So, the matter of elektrosmog and electrosensibility and health is a very complex theme. In handling, do not forget the body. Do something about the body also. If you do, the resistance against elektrosmog will raise. Greetings, Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Norton Antivirus EMF and CFS Group > Hi, > > I have been getting a lot of slack from a number of people on a > number of groups for stating that I cured my CFS by getting away from > the electrosmog and proposing that the microwaves and other forms of > electromagnetic radiation might be the major factor in this disease > process. They have accused me of a number of things - of not ever > even having CFIDS and/or that I was trying to sell something. > > I am not trying to sell anything - just tell people the > my story backed up by a lot of evidence. I wouldn't waste my time if > I didn't believe this. Some people don't want to hear it. These are > the same people who if they had never contracted CFS in the first > place would have denied its existance - unless they had " peer- > reviewed proof " - or something like that whatever that means. (And > even then they would have denied that it existed.) There are still > doctors today that deny CFS exists - just as there are even more > people and doctors that deny EHS or ES exists. > > Anyone interested in dicsussing the relationship between > microwaves/EMFs on CFIDS please join the following group: > > cfsemf/ > > Anyone interested in forming microwave-free sanctuairies, > please joing the following group: > > emfrefugee/ > > > May peace be with you. > > Doyon > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2006 Report Share Posted March 8, 2006 Hi, Kurt, Last I read, they think that autistics have a genetic predisposition to gluten intolerance (similar to celiac, but not necessarily the same--they may share some genes, tho, from what I understand). So in a strict sense it isn't celiac disease, but it may be very similar, to the extent that zonulin causes openings in the tight junctions for longer periods than for normal people. On the subject of caseins.... they can cause leaky gut by other means, so it is a similar problem. Either way, you have the effect of anything entering your digestive tract ending up in your blood stream. However, to my knowledge, casein intolerance does not cause the blood-brain barrier to be breached, as does both gluten (and EMFs, apparently). But what I was also pointing out was that even normal people have this breach from glutens, only for a shorter time. If you have a toxin in your system, it can have free reign during that time. Diane " Kurt R. " <kurt@...> wrote: Thanks, very interesting. Then this is really NOT celiac, which is a problem with auto-immune response in the intestinal villi. is that correct? Rather it is some other gluten reaction. So what about casein? I don't see the role for that problem in your explanation..just curious. --Kurt SPAM-LOW: Re: EMF and CFS Group Hello, I have a certain viewpoint. Mobile phone masts are not sickmaking! If they were, 100 % of people were sick at home, and that is not the case. About 70 % does not have complaints, YET !! It is 25 % of people who do have complaints. And those 25 % who are electrosensible do have a background. So, it is my opinion, that elektrosmog works like a catalyst for latent illness elements inside the body. Especially the pulsed RF radiation works like an enhancer and accelerator. That is the reason why the situation of electrosensibles worsens so quickly. If you have a background, you may become electrosensible by exposures between 200 and 2000 uW/m2. (People with no background can stand exposures of 20.000-40.000 uW/m2 without complaints). But! Once you have become electrosensible, you may react from 1 uW/m2, and some do react from 0,1 uW/m2. I have also found, that electrosensibles feel the elektrosmog fields over greater distances, than I can measure! The dangers lie not only with mobile phone masts alone. There is also danger from metal parts on beds (static magnetic fields DC) which can make you electrosensible. There is also danger from low frequency electrical and magnetic fields. And the mentioned *dirty power*, between 5 kHz and 150 kHz in our mains. In order to improve our situation, one can use shielding. On may use some *things* as marc often mentions. But it is also necessary to do something about the body. Inside our body we do have agents that do react to elektrosmog. An australian scientist wrote me, that tiny metal parts in the body may reinforce the incoming electromagnetic fields, and making cells and groups of cells *deaf*, so the communication between cells and the cell walls is lost and there occur faults in the overwriting of memory and DNA. Besides the mercury from amalgam tooth fillings we do have a big amount of several metals in the body. Deodorants contain a lot of aluminium. In cosmetics a lot of metals are used. (They wanted to operate an eye of my 70-year old neighbour. But she stopped using her eye make-up, and the eye healed itsself!). Furthermore we may have some diseases left, like the Epstein Barr virus. Lyme Disease may be present, and the source for MCS and CFS. I strongly recommend the book *Lyme Disease and Rife Machine* by Rosner. See www.lymebook.com So detox is very important. There are several ways in doing that. I use the ionic foot spa. We know that under the influence of RF radiation, worms feel very comfortable and multiply and grow well. We all have a lot of worms and parasites and bacteria in our body. Read the books of dr. Hulda . So, the matter of elektrosmog and electrosensibility and health is a very complex theme. In handling, do not forget the body. Do something about the body also. If you do, the resistance against elektrosmog will raise. Greetings, Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Norton Antivirus EMF and CFS Group > Hi, > > I have been getting a lot of slack from a number of people on a > number of groups for stating that I cured my CFS by getting away from > the electrosmog and proposing that the microwaves and other forms of > electromagnetic radiation might be the major factor in this disease > process. They have accused me of a number of things - of not ever > even having CFIDS and/or that I was trying to sell something. > > I am not trying to sell anything - just tell people the > my story backed up by a lot of evidence. I wouldn't waste my time if > I didn't believe this. Some people don't want to hear it. These are > the same people who if they had never contracted CFS in the first > place would have denied its existance - unless they had " peer- > reviewed proof " - or something like that whatever that means. (And > even then they would have denied that it existed.) There are still > doctors today that deny CFS exists - just as there are even more > people and doctors that deny EHS or ES exists. > > Anyone interested in dicsussing the relationship between > microwaves/EMFs on CFIDS please join the following group: > > cfsemf/ > > Anyone interested in forming microwave-free sanctuairies, > please joing the following group: > > emfrefugee/ > > > May peace be with you. > > Doyon > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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