Re: My summary understanding about electrical sensativity

[Guest guest]

> With this evidence, have I given sufficient support to stay

> and post information and support about this type of

> electrical sensativity?

, do you actually *have* electrical sensitivity? I mean, do

you feel worse when you are near electrical devices? I've scanned

your past messages to this group, and can see that you are searching

for answers to your fluoric acid poisoning, but I didn't see anything

that indicated that you actually have electrical sensitivity.

Marc

[Guest guest]

Marc,

I have skeletal fluorosis. This condition is visible on x-ray. My bones are

hyperdense. They

are in fact melting. This melting is caused by my expsosure to an electrical

emission of a

effluent natural procudt with an electromagnetic affect.

Am I sensative to electricity.....Marc...with my exposure, based on all the

industry

information I can determine based on my profession, experience,

education....Marc, I

conduct.

I cannot use electrical components. I discharge them. I cannot use a carbon

based EMF

field. I have more electricty than it does.

I can conduct electricity by using my vacuum cleaner. I can conduct electricity

using a

screw driver. I have been in electrical conductive arcs.

I have been ZAPPED by a commercial power supply. Hit me right in the neck. There

were

people there who saw, heard.

I am dealing with the WORST kind of electrical exposure known to man. I am

successfully

dealing with managing symptoms of electrical exposure, namely heating of organic

material to cause emulsification of my fat......evaporation of my body fluid,

ionization of

my salt and calcium.

Yeah...I would think that my electrical " sensativity " issues qualify me. But

Marc, what I

know....about e-sens, and hypersens could help all of you.

I don't want to promote an ideology, a program that would be detrimental to life

and

health and the exucution of choices that bring those about.

I want to give your group....information, from my field experience as a

professional

designate in this area, the tools and information you will need to help

yourselves.

The principal learning lesson I have received from my exposure is this...we each

have

something to contribute that will promote us all.

I am a mother...a grandmother too...albeit a young one, but my motive is to

provide

accurate, reliable information that can be verified. Each of us...we need

information so as

to promote the absolute best of what we are.

I am electrically poisoned. I have valuable information which I can provide,

just based on

my experience. I would like to contribute in such a way as to promote

intelligent learning

so as people can make decisions that will make their lives better.

I don't have all the answers. But what I do know....according to my industry..is

that I

survived, where in all probable assessment, I shouldn't have.

I want to provide that which will give us all opportunity to succeed. That is my

motive.

I just want to help. Would you let me? Respect my intellectual integrity to

provide to you,

the most detailed and accurate information, so as you and those you have

assembled can

do the same.

Thank you for your consideration.

>

> > With this evidence, have I given sufficient support to stay

> > and post information and support about this type of

> > electrical sensativity?

>

> , do you actually *have* electrical sensitivity? I mean, do

> you feel worse when you are near electrical devices? I've scanned

> your past messages to this group, and can see that you are searching

> for answers to your fluoric acid poisoning, but I didn't see anything

> that indicated that you actually have electrical sensitivity.

>

> Marc

>

[Guest guest]

> I cannot use electrical components. I discharge them. I cannot use a carbon

based EMF

> field. I have more electricty than it does.

>

> I can conduct electricity by using my vacuum cleaner. I can conduct

electricity using a

> screw driver. I have been in electrical conductive arcs.

>

> I have been ZAPPED by a commercial power supply. Hit me right in the neck.

There were

> people there who saw, heard.

Okay, so what does everyone think? These symptoms that has are not what I

generally think of as being " electrical sensitivity " , but perhaps my viewpoint

is too

narrow. Are these sorts of symptoms part of what can be called electrical

sensitivity, or is this another ailment altogether? Perhaps one that hasn't

even been named yet?

Marc

[Guest guest]

A few questions:

- how is the situation when you have taken a shower?

- how is the situation when you walk on barefoot?

- did somebody measure your body tension while lying on the bed?

- what kind of bed are you sleeping in?

- Schindeles Mineralien can diminish the body tension and are good for the

bone structure.

Greetings,

Claessens

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www.milieuziektes.nl

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Re: My summary understanding about electrical sensativity

> Marc,

>

> I have skeletal fluorosis. This condition is visible on x-ray. My bones

> are hyperdense. They

> are in fact melting. This melting is caused by my expsosure to an

> electrical emission of a

> effluent natural procudt with an electromagnetic affect.

>

> Am I sensative to electricity.....Marc...with my exposure, based on all

> the industry

> information I can determine based on my profession, experience,

> education....Marc, I

> conduct.

>

> I cannot use electrical components. I discharge them. I cannot use a

> carbon based EMF

> field. I have more electricty than it does.

>

> I can conduct electricity by using my vacuum cleaner. I can conduct

> electricity using a

> screw driver. I have been in electrical conductive arcs.

>

> I have been ZAPPED by a commercial power supply. Hit me right in the neck.

> There were

> people there who saw, heard.

>

>

> I am dealing with the WORST kind of electrical exposure known to man. I am

> successfully

> dealing with managing symptoms of electrical exposure, namely heating of

> organic

> material to cause emulsification of my fat......evaporation of my body

> fluid, ionization of

> my salt and calcium.

>

> Yeah...I would think that my electrical " sensativity " issues qualify me.

> But Marc, what I

> know....about e-sens, and hypersens could help all of you.

>

> I don't want to promote an ideology, a program that would be detrimental

> to life and

> health and the exucution of choices that bring those about.

>

> I want to give your group....information, from my field experience as a

> professional

> designate in this area, the tools and information you will need to help

> yourselves.

>

> The principal learning lesson I have received from my exposure is

> this...we each have

> something to contribute that will promote us all.

>

> I am a mother...a grandmother too...albeit a young one, but my motive is

> to provide

> accurate, reliable information that can be verified. Each of us...we need

> information so as

> to promote the absolute best of what we are.

>

> I am electrically poisoned. I have valuable information which I can

> provide, just based on

> my experience. I would like to contribute in such a way as to promote

> intelligent learning

> so as people can make decisions that will make their lives better.

>

> I don't have all the answers. But what I do know....according to my

> industry..is that I

> survived, where in all probable assessment, I shouldn't have.

>

> I want to provide that which will give us all opportunity to succeed. That

> is my motive.

>

> I just want to help. Would you let me? Respect my intellectual integrity

> to provide to you,

> the most detailed and accurate information, so as you and those you have

> assembled can

> do the same.

>

> Thank you for your consideration.

>

>

>

>

>>

>> > With this evidence, have I given sufficient support to stay

>> > and post information and support about this type of

>> > electrical sensativity?

>>

>> , do you actually *have* electrical sensitivity? I mean, do

>> you feel worse when you are near electrical devices? I've scanned

>> your past messages to this group, and can see that you are searching

>> for answers to your fluoric acid poisoning, but I didn't see anything

>> that indicated that you actually have electrical sensitivity.

>>

>> Marc

>>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I think we should let Tayloka give us whatever information she is

able to over time. It's all the little bits and pieces we put in that

let us find the ones that work for us individually.

If it's any help, yes, she has trouble with going to stores with

fluorescent or halogen lights, and gets shocked by automobiles, just

like many of us do.

Her problem is the same as ours, just many times multiplied. If we

find a person who is getting over pneumonia that was a complication

of what was originally just a mild cold, and the person just catching

that cold, they are far apart, but not different in cause.

~ Snoshoe

>

> > I cannot use electrical components. I discharge them. I cannot

use a carbon based EMF

> > field. I have more electricty than it does.

> >

> > I can conduct electricity by using my vacuum cleaner. I can

conduct electricity using a

> > screw driver. I have been in electrical conductive arcs.

> >

> > I have been ZAPPED by a commercial power supply. Hit me right in

the neck. There were

> > people there who saw, heard.

>

> Okay, so what does everyone think? These symptoms that has

are not what I

> generally think of as being " electrical sensitivity " , but perhaps

my viewpoint is too

> narrow. Are these sorts of symptoms part of what can be called

electrical

> sensitivity, or is this another ailment altogether? Perhaps one

that hasn't

> even been named yet?

>

> Marc

>

[Guest guest]

It sounds to me that she is electrically sensitive because she is

sensitive to properties of electricity. I have enjoyed learning about

her condition as it gives me more information about the different

sources that cause the body to react to electrical energy.

I get the sense that is being censured because she not enough

like " us. " Yes there is a limit to what will be helpful to some or most

of the people of our control group or subculture (ES). Defining our

condition will give us that identity and possibly the cure.

Until someone can come up with a sure cure for what ails us and target

specific conditions with remedies, I hope that we can stay open to all

information that pertains to anyone that feels pain around EMF.

On May 8, 2006, at 12:19 AM, Marc wrote:

>> I cannot use electrical components. I discharge them. I cannot use a

>> carbon based EMF

>> field. I have more electricty than it does.

>>

>> I can conduct electricity by using my vacuum cleaner. I can conduct

>> electricity using a

>> screw driver. I have been in electrical conductive arcs.

>>

>> I have been ZAPPED by a commercial power supply. Hit me right in the

>> neck. There were

>> people there who saw, heard.

>

> Okay, so what does everyone think? These symptoms that has are

> not what I

> generally think of as being " electrical sensitivity " , but perhaps my

> viewpoint is too

> narrow. Are these sorts of symptoms part of what can be called

> electrical

> sensitivity, or is this another ailment altogether? Perhaps one that

> hasn't

> even been named yet?

>

> Marc

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> I get the sense that is being censured because she not enough

> like " us. "

I'm just concerned that may be confused, and may think that

she has electrical sensitivity when she may have something else.

For example, I know of several people who get shocked regularly,

but don't have any other symptoms of ES.

Also, just because one has some sort of problem with electricity

does not (in my opinion) make them electrically sensitive. For

example, some people report that they their presence makes

street lights go off, light bulbs burn out, electronics to

fail, etc. Are these symptoms of ES? I think not. Are

they problems with electricity? Definitely.

Marc

[Guest guest]

Dear ,

My heart goes out to you and the challenges you face with the

extremely difficult condition you are living with. My following

questions are sincere and only asked in an attempt to clarify the

issues you are sharing and the causes you attribute to them.

Placing aside for the moment what agencies you are attributing to

fluorine compounds, are you saying that your symptoms solely occur

when you are in the presence of fluorine compounds? (I think this is

what you are saying but please correct me if not.)

What is the type of exposure to the fluorine (or other chemical)

compounds that initiate these symptoms?

I think what some of us are trying to understand is this:

What is the source of the electromagnetic fields you state are causing

the symptoms you are experiencing (skeletal fluorosis, fat

emulsification, evaporation of bodily fluid, ionization of salt and

calcium)? You are saying it is the chemical compounds emitting the

electromagnetic radiation causing your symptoms?

Thank you,

Beau

> >

> > > With this evidence, have I given sufficient support to stay

> > > and post information and support about this type of

> > > electrical sensativity?

> >

> > , do you actually *have* electrical sensitivity? I mean, do

> > you feel worse when you are near electrical devices? I've scanned

> > your past messages to this group, and can see that you are searching

> > for answers to your fluoric acid poisoning, but I didn't see anything

> > that indicated that you actually have electrical sensitivity.

> >

> > Marc

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi,

The streetlight and transformer blowouts from before i came super ES

defenitely where related, as was the computer-blowout etc since.. So in my case

stuff blew up before i realized man-made emf's affected me..

Love

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------\

-----------------

Becoming a harmonic emf myself, looks kinda like a rose if you could see it

(or if scientifico's draw it) Clean out that temple..

Also, just because one has some sort of problem with electricity

does not (in my opinion) make them electrically sensitive. For

example, some people report that they their presence makes

street lights go off, light bulbs burn out, electronics to

fail, etc. Are these symptoms of ES? I think not. Are

they problems with electricity? Definitely.

Marc

[Guest guest]

I think I see where some confusion is here. If we are the " output " but

it's not bothering us, it's not such a problem usually, although it

kept my sister from being able to work with pcs, and I have melted a

television.

When we get the " input " making us feel sick and uncomfortable, that is

where we're trying to find relief, yes?

Tayloka happens to get it coming and going though, lucky girl.

~ Snoshoe

>

> > I get the sense that is being censured because she not enough

> > like " us. "

>

> I'm just concerned that may be confused, and may think that

> she has electrical sensitivity when she may have something else.

> For example, I know of several people who get shocked regularly,

> but don't have any other symptoms of ES.

>

> Also, just because one has some sort of problem with electricity

> does not (in my opinion) make them electrically sensitive. For

> example, some people report that they their presence makes

> street lights go off, light bulbs burn out, electronics to

> fail, etc. Are these symptoms of ES? I think not. Are

> they problems with electricity? Definitely.

>

> Marc

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you for recognizing my struggle. I have persevered through an incredible

physical

trauma. I understand the confusion and I want to ensure that understanding

prevails and

your questions are welcomed.

Firstly, an EM field is a an area which is made up of an electricomagnetic

source. The EM in

the field is measured by its frequency. A strong EM field will have a high

concentration of

heat and will have a temerature reflecting the density of the field.

Fluoride and its compounds are used virtually everywhere in modern day society.

The

presence of fluorosis, which means that my bones are lucent on x-ray (they kind

of

shimmer, as if cracked). To have this much lucency means that I was exposed to a

source

of electricity, capable of penetrating my skin and lesioning (I don't know if

that is the right

term) to my bone.

Now to have this, I would have to of had maybe LOTS of x-rays, all at one time.

I couldn't

have ingested that much fluoride compound to result in the bone lucency. I

couldn't have

breathed it in either. My heart would have stopped.

The only way to get this in your bones is by exposure to a radiant

electromagentic

frequency. Electricity. Being in the coal mine, next to that drag line, which is

the size of a

football field 8 stories high, would indicate that the most suspect source for

this exposure

would be the biproduct in coal, fluorine, when heated or ionized, it becomes

hydrogen

fluoride.

All electricy causes in the body are symtoms of heat mismanagment. My initial

symtpoms

after exposure occured within 6 hours. My arms were burning, my ears were

ringing. I felt

as if I had been sunburned playing on the beach all day. I am a red head, we

don't play on

the beach in the sun....we burn very, very easily.

The symptom progression started once my core body heat started elevating. I

developed

CREST. That is Calcinosis, Raynauds (very painful), Esophogeal immotitility,

sgjorjens (sp)

syndrome (dry mucous membranes), and Teleganicia (red spots, small but sore).

The mammogram that was done showed I had lost 75-100 pounds. When I was exposed

I

only weighted 141.

As the heat in my body increased, I was unable to hold food, I had nausea,

vomitting,

diarhea, I was coughing foam and blood. I had respiratory problems as if I

couldn't catch

my breath. I developed an unproductive cough. I had degeneration of my eye

nerves

(common with this type of exposure). I became photosensative and could not be in

daylight.

I had terrible nose bleeds. With the heat rising in my body, and the

dehydration, it caused

severe fatigue. They call this chronic fatigue, but I would just fall alseep

anywhere. I would

become very, very cold and just go to sleep. Hypothermia. Kind of changes

chronic for me

as a term.

The loss of body water, fat, and the rise of heat causes problems breathing and

it

accompanied by heart arythmia. My heart has been at 283 beats. It is called an

atrial

flutter. For a good reason too because it feels like a bird in your chest,

flapping to get out.

The net result of this heat is very low blood pressure. Mine was recorded in my

record at

one point as 76/58. The nurse commented that people in comas have bp this low. I

appreciated the information and told her my coma was functional.

As the blood pressure goes down, it becomees very hard to not faint. This would

happen

anywhere.

My first lump came November 17, 2002. Quick.

Initially, there was alot of cognitive impairment. I had difficutly with short

term memory. I

couldn't remember locations, spatial differences. I couldn't hold myself

balanced upright.

If I went into a store, I couldn't remember coming in...and much worse...I lost

my

car...LOLOL....

It was pretty bad.

But all of my symptoms of " sensativity " can occur when I get in front of large

electrical

equipment. I heat up under halogen lighting. This body heating is very

uncomfortable. The

calcinosis on my fingers causes calcium type burns. Just think about opening up

a battery

and you would have the right concept. Because there is caclium with salt water

on my

hands, I cannot use simple electrical appliances, they burn me. Although I feel

burns on

my fingertips, they in fact don't have tactile sense. I cannot hold anything

with " feeling " .

Not having feeling in your fingers causes short term memory problems, you drop

things,

items fall from your grasp, or you apply too much grasp and break something.

If I consume, let's say a grilled cheese sandwich, cooked in a teflon pan, that

has a

fluoropolymer (PFOA) (this has similar ionic structure to the hydrogen

fluoride) I become

violently ill, my esphogus begins to spasm and I cannot breath. It chokes me.

Then comes

the severe burning in my stomach, as it combines with hydrochloric acid of my

stomach it

makes a gas and causes a condition called watermelon stomach.

The remedy for Esophogeal immotility is to keep surgically strechting the

esophegus to

prevent/relieve the smooth muscle tension. I have opted not to have this done.

So for me now....I have managed this emulsification issue and have been

effective in

staving that....thank GAWD...I have no caboose anymore....I am able to eat, sort

of. My

cognitive functioning is improving along with my memory.

I still cannot remember parts about my life, like birthdays growing up or

Christmas or just

being me. I have some memory of the second grade and most of it is pretty

sketchy.

One thing, very problematic for me, was the nervousness, anxiousness, confusion,

paranoia really, I felt terribly frightened.

My hair turned all white, I started to shrink, shorten in height. My bones are

still very

dense....I weigh about 154 pounds, from 160, and I am a size 0. Sometimes a 2.

That is

pretty small. But my bones with the calcium and being so warm, cannot harden and

become strong. This for me makes me feel like I am carting around in a deep sea

diving

suit. I am very heavy.

The inability to manage calcium alone disrupts the blood. The blood bone ratio

to calcium

should be 2.5 pounds to 28 grams. That 28 grams would be the blood calcium

levels.

When your calcium is this ionized, warm, it seems to leak from everywhere.

In October of 2004, my mother, an ICU Nurse Practioner, Cardiology, took me to

Ceragem.

It was the last thing to try. So usind Far Infrared radiation, radiant heat, I

am able to gas

out some of this heat from me. (www.ceragem.com)

I have a remineralization program I use. I cannot use any prescritpion drugs,

again, they

are made with fluorophenyls that closely approximate the electrical magentic

frequency of

my exposure. Depending on the drug, it can cause the symptoms it is trying to

correct. It

became preety clear, early on that drugs for remedy would not be an option for

me.

The problem with my exposure is that everything in society is made from the

chemical

from the coal, fluoride, that poisoned me. So I will be, ultimately, hyper

sensative and

when exposed, based on whether I breath it in as an automobile exahaust, eat it

like

teflon, brush my teeth as in sodium fluoride, I get radiation burns and the

symptoms start

all over.

I think I covered everything. I hesitate with description of symptoms as mine

were very

severe and I don't want to frighten anyone.

Thank you for asking.

> > >

> > > > With this evidence, have I given sufficient support to stay

> > > > and post information and support about this type of

> > > > electrical sensativity?

> > >

> > > , do you actually *have* electrical sensitivity? I mean, do

> > > you feel worse when you are near electrical devices? I've scanned

> > > your past messages to this group, and can see that you are searching

> > > for answers to your fluoric acid poisoning, but I didn't see anything

> > > that indicated that you actually have electrical sensitivity.

> > >

> > > Marc

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi, Marc and All,

I have been gone a few days, so this is a little old of a topic, however, I

wanted to respond.

I didn't think when I came to this forum that I had ES. I thought I was here

because I had health issues that were remotely similar, and you all were

discussing topics that I was researching because they were important to my

personal health issues, so I stayed. However, in staying here, I have found

that I DO have what you here call ES--some things I do react to as others here

describe. I react to cell phones and some microwave towers, to halogen lighting

and sometimes to fluorescent lighting the same as many here. BUT I also react

the same as does, and was even more like this in the past. As I am

detoxing, I am going from being very electrically charged to having more ES-like

symptoms. In the past, I was a " zapper " . Now I do not " zap " nearly as much,

but I react, ES-wise, in various ways that are similar to what I read here.

But, since I have been here and had time to digest the info here, I have

realized that I reacted in the past, too, but most often

didn't recognise it as ES. Some of the reactions that you all experience, btw,

I have chalked down to lymphatic congestion/toxic overload symptoms. I didn't

call it ES, because I was calling it something else. When you all say you react

to magnets or crystals, etc, what it appears to me that you are saying is, your

toxins are mobilizing due to magnets or crystals. This to me is not ES, it is

detoxing! But, I realize the longer I am here that detoxing is as important to

all of you as it has been and is to me. Whether it goes by the name ES or

detoxing, it does not matter.

I am wondering if there is a sliding scale of electrical sensitivity,

depending on the type of radiation/toxin exposure that one has encountered.

What I mean is, perhaps, those of us with serious radiation exposure react

initially by being electrically overcharged. As we " cool down " and detox

somewhat, we enter a stage where we are ES reactors--we react to electrical and

magnetic elements around us. Some of this (perhaps most of it!) is the act of

detoxing, itself. Hopefully, as we cool down further, we reach a point where we

do not react at all. At least this is my quest.

Ok, this is just my theory. Is there any info out there supporting or

refuting this? I have come to this conclusion because it seems this is my

personal experience from what is happening and has happened in my life.

Therefore, I think that DOES have ES, or that ALL of you have detoxing

from toxins or radiation. (We call it potatoes, you call it po-taut-oes, but it

seems like the same thing to me.) Take your pick! lol

My 2 cents,

Diane

Marc <marc@...> wrote:

Okay, so what does everyone think? These symptoms that has are not what I

generally think of as being " electrical sensitivity " , but perhaps my viewpoint

is too

narrow. Are these sorts of symptoms part of what can be called electrical

sensitivity, or is this another ailment altogether? Perhaps one that hasn't

even been named yet?

Marc

[Guest guest]

Hello ,

I am very sorry to hear of your terrible ordeal with fluorosis and

associated consequences. Some things you say seem to raise some

questions and one possible explanation.

If I could first ask a few questions. I'm sorry if it is a bit of a

long list that is tedious for you.

I notice firstly you talking about heating:

> But all of my symptoms of " sensativity " can occur when I get in

front of large

> electrical equipment. I heat up under halogen lighting. This body

heating is

> very uncomfortable. The calcinosis on my fingers causes calcium type

burns.

> Just think about opening up a battery and you would have the right

concept.

Just to clarify the specific nature of the heating:

do you predominantly feel the heating on the surface of your

hands?

do you feel tingling or warmth on lips/ tongue/ fingers/

feet?

do you have muscle pains?

> I cannot use electrical components. I discharge them....

>

> I can conduct electricity by using my vacuum cleaner. I can conduct

electricity using a

> screw driver. I have been in electrical conductive arcs.

>

> I have been ZAPPED by a commercial power supply. Hit me right in the

neck.

There were

> people there who saw, heard.

I am interested in a bit of detail here. With the power supply, was

there an audible spark, or did people see and hear you double over in

pain (this indicates to me the voltage level, high or low)?

Can you elaborate on what you experience when you use a vacuum cleaner

or any other problematic appliance or common electrical situation?

Additionally, what do you mean by 'I can conduct electricity using a

screw driver' please?

Can you list some electrical components you discharge please?

Can you please clarify: ' have been in electrical conductive arcs.'

Have you actually been electrocuted by arcing multiple times? (There

is a condition in lightning strike survivors that may be relevant.)

Finally, I expect you don't, but just in case, do you have dental

fluorosis?

Now that I have asked a set of questions, something springs to mind.

Fluorosis will produce tetany- tingling, burning and or spasms or

aches due to buggered nerves and in association with altered

electrolytes.

Also, particularly, it will produce your calcium regulation problems.

One of the results with EMR is that it can affect calcium channel

regulation. Fluorosis affects calcium metabolism. I have spoken to

several severe dental amalgam patients.

It has been obvious that the worst cases were those that had

COTOXICITY- a person with toxicity of two chemicals, mercury plus one

other, such as aluminium or lead. With cotoxicity, 1 unit of one

poison plus 1 unit of a second is equivalent to either 10 or 100

(I forget which) of either. There is a dramatic worsening of symptoms

with cotoxicity, it is remarkable.

Both radiation and skeletal fluorosis can affect calcium regulation,

while with radiation it has not been considered so important. I wonder

whether due to your fluorosis you respond to tiny levels of electrical

stimuli, the linking factor being calcium dysregulation, dramatically

aggravating both. If you can routinely detect electromagnetics when

blindfolded you might provide insight into electrosensitivity. Tetany

is an electrolyte related nerve problem, and I know someone with

multiple sclerosis (another nerve problem) who also reacts strongly to

EMR.

Thanks , its a lot (barage) of questions, but might help. If its

difficult using keyboard just try one or two.

regards

Rowan C

>

> Thank you for recognizing my struggle. I have persevered through an

incredible physical

> trauma. I understand the confusion and I want to ensure that

understanding prevails and

> your questions are welcomed.

>

[Guest guest]

Rowan, it sounds like you can help. Thanks.

Nature of heating: The heat is felt internally, and is accompanied by rapid

heart rate,

faintness. Overall that is. My hands and feet weep. The become terribly hot. As

in someone

else finds them uncomfortable to hold. A fluid, smelling of salt and sugar,

weeps from my

hands. It can actually pool. When moist, the skin has crystals on it. In the sun

they

shimmer. My feet are the same.

I have multiple nueropathy in face, neck, shoulders. Tingling is an

understatement. It feels

more like a mesh, thinly made, that has a small amount of electricity flowing

through it.

The tingling in my hands is very painful. I have a sore on inside of left hand

that is about

the size of a golf ball in diameter.

I have severe muscle seizures. These occur everywhere but are mostly around my

spine,

calf, and abdomen.

With electricity, like an outlet for example, like the one in the computer

store, I was

standing about 1 meter away from the power supply by the computer display. There

was

an audible cracking, then a snaping sound, then I felt it. Right side of neck.

It left a bruise.

When I used the screw driver, it made a connection with a standard electrical

socket from

about half a meter and there was a " force " ...LOLOL...no seriously, there was

pressure

holding the screw driver in my hand. I felt the back of my neck have the same

pressure as

if forcing me down. There was a warmth all over my body and then the screwdriver

went

flying. It stuck in the wall. My left arm was very sore. I developed muscle

spasms in the

forearm that seized into cable-like toughness. Wouldn't relax.

Other electrical discharges....battery operated appliances such as phones.

Switches that

toggle on off, fans, computers. My tractor. I seem to interrupt the lights in my

car. My car

was in the accident with me, the front panel melted and there was multiple

electrical

problems such as the wiring to the alternator catching fire.

I do have dental fluorosis with the brown mottling occuring on three back teeth.

I had

terrible TMJ and broke a mouth guard and three teeth. The brown mottling

appeared

rather quickly it seemed, but in actuality is about 3 years after my exposure.

I have been reviewed for removal for amalgams. In my case it could be too

dangerous. I

was referred to a hospital. I have defered a decision until my condition

improves.

I have blood test showing no heavy metal or lead poisoning or toxicity.

The worst symptom I am currently facing is the hands and feet. I also have burns

on my

face. I had lumps long my jaw, eye orbit, nose, forehead. I have also had the

burns on my

hip (illium)...funny that feels just like a dentist drill. There were three

drilling sensations

and after about three to four weeks with that I erupted 9 lumps that followed

the outline

of my illium. I can't x-ray anymore as this causes severe burn-lumps to appear.

My fingers have minimal sensation. I have managed the severe ulcers. I have a

picture

posted here of one on the right index finger. That is representative of what I

had

everywhere.

My hands and feet, with my feet being my biggest concern....distance for

circulation and

all, they appear purple, my toes, and when they get those static shocks in them,

they leave

bruises. I have bone spurs in my feet. On x-ray of those, they coincided with

lumps that

had broken through the skin.

The tips of my fingers are a redish purple also. I have the technical name for

this

(hypervaculitis sp), I am hesitant to give it as I cannot find my reference. I

am close

though. They are somewhat numb. They do tingle so I have confidence there is no

nerve

necrosis.

That is the big battle as I understand it, maintaining bone/blood calcium

levels, which is

difficult when you leak. And staving bone necrosis. Both of which I am negative.

Any suggestions? I wear cotton gloves and socks to help the swelling, I cannot

let my

hands or feet dry completely and I need to keep aspirating the water from them.

Any idea how this progresses back to normal?

Any hidden " gotchya's " that could derail me?

I appreciate all your effort to helping me resolve this. I am confident that

this can be done.

Warmly,

(I have another example about this electricity...this morning, I helped my

daughter with

her car, it needed to be boosted. I will do the connection but won't touch

anything while

there is a current. Get it done, I stayed away, but was close enough. I went to

kiss her

good bye and ZAPPED her cheek. That is kind of how it works around here.)

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[Guest guest]

I don't have a problem with showering. I am on an acreage and have my own water

system.

I do have shocks in the tub. I use 2kilos of salt when bathing.

I don't walk barefoot. I can't. I have a layer of water between the sole of my

foot and the

underlying derma. My skin is kind of coming off.

I don't know about the body tension, I haven't had anyone take a measure. Could

you

explain to me, how this would be done and what would the results

indicate?

I sleep in a conventional bed with a simmons mattress. I have tried a Shielde

mate EMF

shield for my bed. This definately did not work for me.

Have you used the Schindeles Mineralien?

Thanks for your help .

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Hello ,

my point is, taht electrosensible people may have a high body tension.

All kinds of loads, whether electrocal, magnetical or electromagnetical, AC

or CD, are discharged in the body as small AC currents.

Those currents can be measured on a person, lying on the bed, (so the person

is not grounded), wth one hand on a handelectrode and the multimeter is

connected to a ground.

Ideal is 30 mV.

With many people I measure between 300 and 800 mV.

People with an electrical blanker come to 4.000 mV.

And a waterbed may give up to 55.000 mV, or even more.

When people with a high body tension touch a piece of metal, these charges

unload on the metal.

People think that they are charged, but they unload.

Now, to get rid of those currents, it is advised in taking a shower before

sleeping (in order to uncharge).

Walking on isolated shoes (rubber soles) prevent unloading, so I asked if

you had a different reaction while walking barefooted, because then you are

grounded.

I advise against anything around the bed, because than electrical currents

from walls etc. may couple on this insulation, and one gets unwanted

potential differences.

I have also measured heavy magnetic DC fields on even small parts of metal

on beds.

Not only the metal spings in mattresses, but also from supporting beams and

hinges on head- and foot ends.

Often found values of 4500 nT can charge the body enormously.

The worst thing one may have is a waterbed.

And the Schindels Mineralien do help in building down the body tensions.

It is also good for health, for pain in the back, etc, because it contains a

lot of silicea.

Many, many years I suffered from pain in the back, and I had to rest for at

least 6 weeks each time.

That was always around July/ August, and right with Christmas.

The last time I had such was in 1977, when my mother-in-law gave me silicea.

I have known of a person (with cancer) where the bones were completely black

on the X-ray fotos.

After 2 months of treatment with a Rife bioresonance machine, the bones

started to become grey on the X-rays.

The cancer points changed from 862 to 191 during those 2 months.

There are more ways *to skin a cat*.

It is just my 2 cents in your enormous problem.

Greetings,

Claessens

member Verband Baubiologie

www.milieuziektes.nl

www.milieuziektes.be

www.hetbitje.nl

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Yes , more than one way to skin a cat and a 101 things to do with a dead

one...it

really is a book. Thanks for mentioning that..I wouldn't be recognizable without

my " little

sayings " .

What would I look under to find a practioner of this in my area? I would be

interested to

see if they could use this on my feet or hands. I don't know anybody who has

even seen a

riffe machine.

My room has become bone bare. I have a fireplace in my BR and I turned off the

gas and

the electric to it. I just have my music and a UVR light. Well the lights in the

bathroom but

they are small.

Thanks for your help, . And just so you know...I collect 2 cents. Those

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Is this a hair splitting group? Electrical sensitivity is electrical

sensitivity. I may have joined the wrong group.

An injury from this is important to know about. This is such a new phenomenon

that all information needs to be looked at and should not be rejected out of

hand.

Is this a scientific forum? Is it a medical forum? Or is it a way for those

of like minded sensitivities to say what has worked for them?

What is your definition of electrical sensitivity Marc? Peggy

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> Is this a hair splitting group? Electrical sensitivity is electrical

> sensitivity.

I think several people (including yourself, Peggy) missed the point

of my message.

If someone joins this group, and says that they have bad reaction

to an apple, and then goes onto say that this means they have

electrical sensitivity because of they are reacting to the EMF

emitted by the apple, I think many people would have a problem

with that. And that is essentially what Garth and myself were

doing when we saw 's messages about various things emitting

EMF. However, subsequent messages from confirmed that she

does indeed have ES, although she didn't make that clear originally.

> Is this a scientific forum? Is it a medical forum? Or is it a way for

> those of like minded sensitivities to say what has worked for them?

The original intent of this group was for people to share what

they have tried to improve their ES, and whether or not it

worked for them. The idea being that if something works for

one person, then it may work for someone else. Prior to this

forum, most of the information on ES was that it either did

not exist, or there was nothing you could do about it other

than avoid sources of EMF. This group rejects both of

those assertions.

As for this being a " scientific " or " medical " forum, I'm not

sure what you mean by this exactly.

> What is your definition of electrical sensitivity Marc?

If a person has a negative health reaction to something

that operates on electricity, then that's electrical

sensitivity. You'll see that people having a negative

reactions to an apple (or flouric acid) don't fall into

that category.

Marc

[Guest guest]

Hi,

Yeah, this rings about true to me.. not back to where it was though, on to

something way better.. Yeah mine is the Quest (fountain of youth, holy grail and

my Lancelot)

If the toxins where not there then it could not affect us, those fields that

are far from harmonic. So those weirdo cell-phone things where there to tell me

there was something wrong. (yeah more to that story though)

In my opinion energy blocks cause toxins to " stick " // Without blocks in the

flow of chi, there is no disease// I think these blocks are caused by karma (as

is all disease and death for that matter)// When i feel a karma-string leave,

this most of the time also causes something physical to leave my body (cluster

of cells, parasites??/infection, white gue)

So without energy blocks toxins do not affect you like the yogi that can drink

the poison.. (T how about that??)

So yeah the crystals help me with their harmonic frequencies, picked up

amathist as well and more, this is the 7th chakra and rules all other 6, works

kinda like that violet flame (strong dollar=strong blood mantra) then, and detox

is the result, not only of substances also of beliefs and a type of thinking

that have undermined my system.// (mind, body and soul)

So detoxing is fine, eating healthy great, thinking healthy probably more

important than all of that (and this is helped by healthy diet, or supplementing

to assist the body to detox, goes hand in hand) Clean that blood//

Love

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Karma chameleon, you string along, you string along..

When your gone your gone forever//

a

I am wondering if there is a sliding scale of electrical sensitivity,

depending on the type of radiation/toxin exposure that one has encountered.

What I mean is, perhaps, those of us with serious radiation exposure react

initially by being electrically overcharged. As we " cool down " and detox

somewhat, we enter a stage where we are ES reactors--we react to electrical and

magnetic elements around us. Some of this (perhaps most of it!) is the act of

detoxing, itself. Hopefully, as we cool down further, we reach a point where we

do not react at all. At least this is my quest.

[Guest guest]

I believe that Perla, about the yogi....they master the condition of themself. I

use the

practices of Chinese spiritual healings in Qi Gong and Yoga. I follow the

practice

instructions of the Yoga Shiffman. He has a book that teaches the

techniques and

practices of the paths of knowledge, selfless work (karma), devotion, and

consciousness.

The practice is aimed at diving deep into yourself and understanding how the

creation

energy comes and flows through you...by thought and action and peaceful prayer.

For me, Yoga provides the discipline to find the peace within me. Once I get the

hang of

hanging on, I am going to look into the crystals more. I find them fascinating.

I think the

prayer done with them is so gracious and soft.

Perla, do you use the sweats tents?

>

> Hi,

>

> Yeah, this rings about true to me.. not back to where it was though, on to

something

way better.. Yeah mine is the Quest (fountain of youth, holy grail and my

Lancelot)

>

> If the toxins where not there then it could not affect us, those fields that

are far from

harmonic. So those weirdo cell-phone things where there to tell me there was

something

wrong. (yeah more to that story though)

>

> In my opinion energy blocks cause toxins to " stick " // Without blocks in the

flow of chi,

there is no disease// I think these blocks are caused by karma (as is all

disease and death

for that matter)// When i feel a karma-string leave, this most of the time also

causes

something physical to leave my body (cluster of cells, parasites??/infection,

white gue)

>

> So without energy blocks toxins do not affect you like the yogi that can

drink the

poison.. (T how about that??)

>

> So yeah the crystals help me with their harmonic frequencies, picked up

amathist as

well and more, this is the 7th chakra and rules all other 6, works kinda like

that violet

flame (strong dollar=strong blood mantra) then, and detox is the result, not

only of

substances also of beliefs and a type of thinking that have undermined my

system.//

(mind, body and soul)

>

> So detoxing is fine, eating healthy great, thinking healthy probably more

important

than all of that (and this is helped by healthy diet, or supplementing to assist

the body to

detox, goes hand in hand) Clean that blood//

>

> Love

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> Karma chameleon, you string along, you string along..

> When your gone your gone forever//

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perhaps,

those of us with serious radiation exposure react initially by being

electrically overcharged.

As we " cool down " and detox somewhat, we enter a stage where we are ES

reactors--we

react to electrical and magnetic elements around us. Some of this (perhaps most

of it!) is

the act of detoxing, itself. Hopefully, as we cool down further, we reach a

point where we

do not react at all. At least this is my quest.

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Hi,

Sweats i have not used as much (sometimes i get ideas and do not follow up as

much, like i wanna make that sweatlodge) Still things come about if i out them

out there and on my path i find good stuff.. except the heat here, sunbaths i

love (feel " the thing " come out in sun sea beach time.. so symtoms at the same

places as " it " coming in, but i know it is on its way out--0:)

Like i run into the guy with the zapper.. by the by it felt like the

epilady//i mean i wonder if the epilady works like a zapper and more. (maybe

acupressure type as well and meditative state. i got it when i was a pretty bad

and used it as pain was not really an issue then.. i mean it was but the pain of

the epilady was not really pain anymore compared to previous experience.. funny

that it being an electric thing did not oput me off) i use it under arms as

well, and bikiniline and leg with it, have recently started again// I dunno if

it can work like a zapper, but i get the same feeling//)

Oh and yesterday i got a lil' jade turtle so i see what happens..

Love

oh by karma you mean dharma, also known as Grace more or less i think//

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grace, a nice alternative to karma

tayloka_40 <tayloka_40@...> wrote:

I believe that Perla, about the yogi....they master the condition of themself.

I use the

practices of Chinese spiritual healings in Qi Gong and Yoga. I follow the

practice

instructions of the Yoga Shiffman. He has a book that teaches the

techniques and

practices of the paths of knowledge, selfless work (karma), devotion, and

consciousness.

The practice is aimed at diving deep into yourself and understanding how the

creation

energy comes and flows through you...by thought and action and peaceful prayer.

For me, Yoga provides the discipline to find the peace within me. Once I get the

hang of

hanging on, I am going to look into the crystals more. I find them fascinating.

I think the

prayer done with them is so gracious and soft.

Perla, do you use the sweats tents?

>

> Hi,

>

> Yeah, this rings about true to me.. not back to where it was though, on to

something

way better.. Yeah mine is the Quest (fountain of youth, holy grail and my

Lancelot)

>

> If the toxins where not there then it could not affect us, those fields that

are far from

harmonic. So those weirdo cell-phone things where there to tell me there was

something

wrong. (yeah more to that story though)

>

> In my opinion energy blocks cause toxins to " stick " // Without blocks in the

flow of chi,

there is no disease// I think these blocks are caused by karma (as is all

disease and death

for that matter)// When i feel a karma-string leave, this most of the time also

causes

something physical to leave my body (cluster of cells, parasites??/infection,

white gue)

>

> So without energy blocks toxins do not affect you like the yogi that can

drink the

poison.. (T how about that??)

>

> So yeah the crystals help me with their harmonic frequencies, picked up

amathist as

well and more, this is the 7th chakra and rules all other 6, works kinda like

that violet

flame (strong dollar=strong blood mantra) then, and detox is the result, not

only of

substances also of beliefs and a type of thinking that have undermined my

system.//

(mind, body and soul)

>

> So detoxing is fine, eating healthy great, thinking healthy probably more

important

than all of that (and this is helped by healthy diet, or supplementing to assist

the body to

detox, goes hand in hand) Clean that blood//

>

> Love

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perhaps,

those of us with serious radiation exposure react initially by being

electrically overcharged.

As we " cool down " and detox somewhat, we enter a stage where we are ES

reactors--we

react to electrical and magnetic elements around us. Some of this (perhaps most

of it!) is

the act of detoxing, itself. Hopefully, as we cool down further, we reach a

point where we

do not react at all. At least this is my quest.

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