Re: EMF Protection (product survey?)

June 12, 2006

You learn fast. Welcome to the list.

Glad you have done cleanses and that you are in the final stages of

recovery.

I have tried most all of the EMF gadgets you mentioned and now only use

the Stetzers and Quantum Power strip Conditioners in addition to window

shielding for outside radiation sources, etc.

Lessemf.com has all these products.

Fixing the bad house wiring was crucial in addition to avoiding the EMR

sources.

My recommendation is to get rid of the cell phones, wireless internet,

cordless phones, etc. I don't know what specifically gives you pain or

negative results to give any more specific advice.

Here is the (I just want to get well) physical recovery I currently

believe in:

Remove all metal from mouth from protocol literate dentist:

http://www.finddentisttoday.com/

Eliminate as many non organic products (no Genetically Modified food,

MSG, pesticides) plastics, chemicals, microwave, radiation from diet

and surroundings.

Rebuild digestive system with probiotics, colostrum, minerals,

vitamins, herb, acupuncture, energetic healing, balance pH, whatever

works for you to prevent more toxins from entering system via

intestines and supporting the bodies natural ability to process the

current load without being overloaded or retoxed.

Detox beginning with colon, then kidney, liver, lymphatic, skin,

nervous system, etc.

Yes, parasites can be a part of the picture and the Beck Protocol can

help that removal. I am using a Rife machine plus herbs and diet to

kill of the parasite/fungus stuff that has taken hold since my body was

broken down. I am getting stronger and my body is now kicking in on its

own.

I currently use Ozone machines, Colloidal Silver, Coconut Oil, Organic

Raw Milk, Butter, Cheese, Sativa Oil (Med. Pot), Krill Oil, Amazon

Herbs, Ziolite, and thousand other items over the years to detox and

rebuild my system. I am happy to say I am getting good results.

There are others that have more info about the electronic gadgets and

I'll sure they'll chip in soon with good info.

be well!

On Jun 12, 2006, at 6:13 PM, treja_cat wrote:

>

> Dear Folks,

>

> I am new to this forum, thanks for having it! I have purchased the

> Beck-Protocol (Blood Electrification), to kill bugs in my body. I am

> on week 2 and am getting good results. It's about a 4 month program

> to detox. My partner and I also got an heppa air-filter, and will be

> getting an air-ozone cleaner, and switched over to organic produce. I

> have done cleanses for years as well. I just want to feel healthy,

> like I did when I was a kid. It seems like I'm always tired, and it

> takes so much energy to do anything. I have committed myself to doing

> whatever possible to get back to sparkling a immune system, and

> optimum wellness!

>

> My partner thinks EMF products are bogus, because I can't seem to

> find a website that explains the product details in good

> plain " scientic " language. He think's it's all mumbo-jumbo. Well

> some people may think that way about blood electrification (although

> there is a patant on it). It's so much easier to swim through the sea

> of those products.

>

> But, I am very keen on the final stage... healing, clearing, and

> protecting myself from electricity pollution. We have tons of gizmos

> in our house (ie: 6 computers, tvs, dvd's, stereos, cell phones,

> portable phones, etc). I am noticing many things, as I never was big

> on this stuff before. I do appreciate them, as they are all tools.

>

> I have been researching for about a week on EMF Protection. I am

> constantly reading everything I can on this forum. I feel rather

> frustrated, as there seems to be no product yet, that many people are

> in agreement with. The closest I came to finding an 'indirect survey'

> has been on the " Quantum Pro " . But then, I just read that it's not

> that great. I am still curious about the " Stezer " , although I can't

> seem to find a website.

>

> Is there any offical survey's on products, that several people

> partaken in? There is just too many websites, and them some websites

> have at least 20 products on there... yikes? I am getting tired, of

> just researching :-)) (LOL!)

>

> Oh, someone mentioned www.energpolarit.com (and said they liked

> the 'schumann device' from there). This website seems interesting,

> although there was no mention of this particular device on their

> website. Any thoughts on this?

>

> In the beginning of my search, I was ready to purchase " Biopro Chips "

> (as I have several local friends, that swear by them)... perhaps to

> make their commission? The other one that caught my eye is EarthCalm.

> It's the only website that seems to describe the product details in a

> thorough explaination. Both of these products seem to get much

> negative response on the forum.

>

> I do appreciate all your input on " devices " that you swear by, as I

> just want to get well.

>

> Thank-you,

> Sahara

>

June 12, 2006

Welcome to the list, Sahara!

Not all of the EMF products are bogus, as I've used some of

them to increase my computer tolerance by several orders of

magnitude. But there does not seem to be a good consensus

on what " works for everyone " . Probably because there

is no one thing that works for everyone.

I'd say that one of the more frequently used items is indeed

the Stetzer filters:

http://stetzerelectric.com/

This works by redirecting the high frequency noise in your

power lines to the neutral. This does require that the

outlets in your house are wired correctly, which can be

checked with a cheap plug-in tester from lessemf.com .

As for the " mumbo-jumbo " type devices, I've had a personal

obsession with these for the past 6 years, and have literally

tried dozens and spent thousands of dollars on them.

Looking back, I would say that my success rate has been very

low -- that is, many of them appeared to do nothing at all,

or did a little but not nearly enough, while others actually

were quite agitating and made me worse! However, a handful

of these items were really quite helpful, and certainly I would

never have been able to return to my job without them, so

overall I'd have to rate them as a success. From my experience,

I'd say the top ones are:

Quantum Products:

http://natural-stress-reduction.com/

Springlife Polarizers:

http://choosecra.com/htmlpages/homepage/prodinfo/springlife.html

Other items definitely worth checking out (in that they definitely

do *something*, although I wasn't comfortable with them):

Electromagnetic Rectifier:

http://toolsforwellness.com/75103.html

Earthcalm:

http://earthcalm.com/

Radar Card:

http://radar3.com/

Personal Rejuvenizers:

http://lighthealing.com/

Green 8:

http://green8usa.com/

Many of the above items have a money-back guarantee, so you probably

could try them all out and decide which (if any) work for you. If

you need a reasonable scientific explanation for your partner, well,

I wouldn't bother, because I haven't found one, and I've been using

these things for 6 years! But I'd say that these are all " better

than average " products (and non-bogus), although admittedly I have

*not* tried everything (e.g., I have not tried the BioPro items).

But for the past several years, after trying dozens of items, I've

just been using some sort of combination of Quantum Products and

Springlife Polarizers. These are not complete solutions, but

when combined with good food choices and supplements, they can

get me through the 40-hour work week, where I'm exposed to it all...

Marc

June 13, 2006

Nice to hear your positive journey to recovery, but becareful Sahara, there

are many more deserts to walk through, those tools that you mention you want

to have a clear out asap I cannot add any thing to my so called domestic

load such as products that use electricity, wether they are prophalactics or

whatever for me that would be going in the wrong direction. A simple act such

as

turning of your elec at night is a very good move.

Its seems that most people are blissfully unaware of the ever increasing

reliance on wireless technologies, its unbelievable whats now available on the

domestic market and in the public domain worryingly there is no one

person/organisation that can give you a definative list or track it all, I could

go and

buy 50 wifi devices and set them up in my home today that cant be right

knowing waht we know !! its a microwave giant snowball outa control there seems

little we can do about this so streamline your house and lighten your load.

Just like you sensibly wish to cleanse your body by dietry control from within,

do the same to your house.

best wishes -

June 13, 2006

Welcome Treja cat.

, and some other people have lists of all kinds of meters that

measure emf fields of all sorts. The fact they are available and used

world wide, and in the electrical industry ought to turn your

significant other into a believer pronto.

A large reason that some people like one product, and other not, is

because we are individuals. I'm very allergic to cats, other people

want them up in their face and aren't bothered a bit. Same with

different frequencies. That's why the some products will vary too,

the frequencies ranges they work with.

I've not been able to try the more expensive items, but I do like the

diodes I got from energipolariti, although I don't recall anything

about the Schumann resonance there either.

The metallized fabrics like the silver one from Walmart, people here

have found useful, and myself as well. (Thanks Evie, isn't it you

that swaths up in the stuff to watch TV? Whoever it was, inspired to

try it, and I like it.) It's also good for reflecting your bodies

infrared heat back to it. Feels wonderful.

Hey all, I've been for months gonna post, (what's new, lol), when the

fellow that had the newspaper interview over in ?Scotland?, the

writer called our condition " rare " . I knew it wasn't rare any

longer, and did some searching.

Now I don't have my paper I wrote it on, but off the top of my head,

here in the US 1% (meaning the people they know about, and I'm sure

it's at least triple), have EMF sensitivity. The same rate as

epilepsy, and somehow diabetes fit in there. So it's not rare, just

unknown, mainly because of media blackout.

It's 14% or better in Austraila. I think it was 18% of Germany, and

Sweden, the UK, and ?Finland? were up there. Someone was over 20%.

These are more than epidemic proportions. For physicians in those

countries to say it is in the head, shows incredible ignornance, here

I can only say it is lack of desire to learn and help their patients

and mediablackout.

By the way, what it boils down to is plainly known as radiation

sickness. :|

~ Snoshoe

>

> Dear Folks,

>

> I am new to this forum, thanks for having it! I have purchased the

> Beck-Protocol (Blood Electrification), to kill bugs in my body. I

am

> on week 2 and am getting good results. It's about a 4 month program

> to detox. My partner and I also got an heppa air-filter, and will

be

> getting an air-ozone cleaner, and switched over to organic produce.

I

> have done cleanses for years as well. I just want to feel healthy,

> like I did when I was a kid. It seems like I'm always tired, and it

> takes so much energy to do anything. I have committed myself to

doing

> whatever possible to get back to sparkling a immune system, and

> optimum wellness!

>

> My partner thinks EMF products are bogus, because I can't seem to

> find a website that explains the product details in good

> plain " scientic " language. He think's it's all mumbo-jumbo. Well

> some people may think that way about blood electrification

(although

> there is a patant on it). It's so much easier to swim through the

sea

> of those products.

>

> But, I am very keen on the final stage... healing, clearing, and

> protecting myself from electricity pollution. We have tons of

gizmos

> in our house (ie: 6 computers, tvs, dvd's, stereos, cell phones,

> portable phones, etc). I am noticing many things, as I never was

big

> on this stuff before. I do appreciate them, as they are all tools.

>

> I have been researching for about a week on EMF Protection. I am

> constantly reading everything I can on this forum. I feel rather

> frustrated, as there seems to be no product yet, that many people

are

> in agreement with. The closest I came to finding an 'indirect

survey'

> has been on the " Quantum Pro " . But then, I just read that it's not

> that great. I am still curious about the " Stezer " , although I can't

> seem to find a website.

>

> Is there any offical survey's on products, that several people

> partaken in? There is just too many websites, and them some

websites

> have at least 20 products on there... yikes? I am getting tired, of

> just researching :-)) (LOL!)

>

> Oh, someone mentioned www.energpolarit.com (and said they liked

> the 'schumann device' from there). This website seems interesting,

> although there was no mention of this particular device on their

> website. Any thoughts on this?

>

> In the beginning of my search, I was ready to purchase " Biopro

Chips "

> (as I have several local friends, that swear by them)... perhaps to

> make their commission? The other one that caught my eye is

EarthCalm.

> It's the only website that seems to describe the product details in

a

> thorough explaination. Both of these products seem to get much

> negative response on the forum.

>

> I do appreciate all your input on " devices " that you swear by, as I

> just want to get well.

>

> Thank-you,

> Sahara

>

June 13, 2006

A little p.s. I can't say for all countries, but a valid reason for

some of the ambiguity is the laws of marketing. What it can do, and

the results it can give, can't necessarily be claimed, or explained and

remain legal.

I've practiced natural health, and herbalism most of my life, but I

don't say I practice alternative " medicine " like some do. I think even

alternative " health " may come under fire eventually. People are taken

to court and dragged over the coals all the time because they're

practicing " medicine " without a license. Never mind that in my book

most of western medicine is actually poisoning rather than healing...

The more expensive items by the way, should have a money back

guarantee, so if it doesn't work for you, you should like most anything

you buy, be able to return it.

~ Snoshoe

>

> My partner thinks EMF products are bogus, because I can't seem to

> find a website that explains the product details in good

> plain " scientic " language. He think's it's all mumbo-jumbo. Well

> some people may think that way about blood electrification (although

> there is a patant on it).

June 13, 2006

> A little p.s. I can't say for all countries, but a valid reason for

> some of the ambiguity is the laws of marketing. What it can do, and

> the results it can give, can't necessarily be claimed, or explained and

> remain legal.

That's a good point. One of the sites that sold Springlife Polarizers

(Bioharmonics.com) dissappeared last fall, and I see from the

Government's

FDA website that they were sent a " cease & desist " notice about the

medical claims made about their Harmonizer product.

They had previously " dumbed down " their website because of their

fear that the government was going to shut them down, but I guess

they didn't do a good enough job.

Marc

June 13, 2006

Hello ,

although I use Colloidal Silver myself, I must place a warning.

Elektrosensible people should not take too much if it, because it may worsen

the electrosensibility.

Greetings,

Claessens

member Verband Baubiologie

www.milieuziektes.nl

www.milieuziektes.be

www.hetbitje.nl

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Re: EMF Protection (product survey?)

> You learn fast. Welcome to the list.

> Glad you have done cleanses and that you are in the final stages of

> recovery.

> I have tried most all of the EMF gadgets you mentioned and now only use

> the Stetzers and Quantum Power strip Conditioners in addition to window

> shielding for outside radiation sources, etc.

> Lessemf.com has all these products.

> Fixing the bad house wiring was crucial in addition to avoiding the EMR

> sources.

> My recommendation is to get rid of the cell phones, wireless internet,

> cordless phones, etc. I don't know what specifically gives you pain or

> negative results to give any more specific advice.

>

> Here is the (I just want to get well) physical recovery I currently

> believe in:

> Remove all metal from mouth from protocol literate dentist:

> http://www.finddentisttoday.com/

> Eliminate as many non organic products (no Genetically Modified food,

> MSG, pesticides) plastics, chemicals, microwave, radiation from diet

> and surroundings.

> Rebuild digestive system with probiotics, colostrum, minerals,

> vitamins, herb, acupuncture, energetic healing, balance pH, whatever

> works for you to prevent more toxins from entering system via

> intestines and supporting the bodies natural ability to process the

> current load without being overloaded or retoxed.

> Detox beginning with colon, then kidney, liver, lymphatic, skin,

> nervous system, etc.

> Yes, parasites can be a part of the picture and the Beck Protocol can

> help that removal. I am using a Rife machine plus herbs and diet to

> kill of the parasite/fungus stuff that has taken hold since my body was

> broken down. I am getting stronger and my body is now kicking in on its

> own.

> I currently use Ozone machines, Colloidal Silver, Coconut Oil, Organic

> Raw Milk, Butter, Cheese, Sativa Oil (Med. Pot), Krill Oil, Amazon

> Herbs, Ziolite, and thousand other items over the years to detox and

> rebuild my system. I am happy to say I am getting good results.

>

> There are others that have more info about the electronic gadgets and

> I'll sure they'll chip in soon with good info.

> be well!

>

> On Jun 12, 2006, at 6:13 PM, treja_cat wrote:

>

>>

>> Dear Folks,

>>

>> I am new to this forum, thanks for having it! I have purchased the

>> Beck-Protocol (Blood Electrification), to kill bugs in my body. I am

>> on week 2 and am getting good results. It's about a 4 month program

>> to detox. My partner and I also got an heppa air-filter, and will be

>> getting an air-ozone cleaner, and switched over to organic produce. I

>> have done cleanses for years as well. I just want to feel healthy,

>> like I did when I was a kid. It seems like I'm always tired, and it

>> takes so much energy to do anything. I have committed myself to doing

>> whatever possible to get back to sparkling a immune system, and

>> optimum wellness!

>>

>> My partner thinks EMF products are bogus, because I can't seem to

>> find a website that explains the product details in good

>> plain " scientic " language. He think's it's all mumbo-jumbo. Well

>> some people may think that way about blood electrification (although

>> there is a patant on it). It's so much easier to swim through the sea

>> of those products.

>>

>> But, I am very keen on the final stage... healing, clearing, and

>> protecting myself from electricity pollution. We have tons of gizmos

>> in our house (ie: 6 computers, tvs, dvd's, stereos, cell phones,

>> portable phones, etc). I am noticing many things, as I never was big

>> on this stuff before. I do appreciate them, as they are all tools.

>>

>> I have been researching for about a week on EMF Protection. I am

>> constantly reading everything I can on this forum. I feel rather

>> frustrated, as there seems to be no product yet, that many people are

>> in agreement with. The closest I came to finding an 'indirect survey'

>> has been on the " Quantum Pro " . But then, I just read that it's not

>> that great. I am still curious about the " Stezer " , although I can't

>> seem to find a website.

>>

>> Is there any offical survey's on products, that several people

>> partaken in? There is just too many websites, and them some websites

>> have at least 20 products on there... yikes? I am getting tired, of

>> just researching :-)) (LOL!)

>>

>> Oh, someone mentioned www.energpolarit.com (and said they liked

>> the 'schumann device' from there). This website seems interesting,

>> although there was no mention of this particular device on their

>> website. Any thoughts on this?

>>

>> In the beginning of my search, I was ready to purchase " Biopro Chips "

>> (as I have several local friends, that swear by them)... perhaps to

>> make their commission? The other one that caught my eye is EarthCalm.

>> It's the only website that seems to describe the product details in a

>> thorough explaination. Both of these products seem to get much

>> negative response on the forum.

>>

>> I do appreciate all your input on " devices " that you swear by, as I

>> just want to get well.

>>

>> Thank-you,

>> Sahara

>>

June 15, 2006

Very interesting and helpful to read what is helping others.

I have to say that the number one helpful thing I ever tried, which

unfortunately I cannot tolerate, was a very high quality, very potent fish oil.

I

happened to use one made by Barry Sears company (the guy that developed the

" zone diet " ), but I'm sure there are others that are as good.

Anyway, it just about made the e. sens. go away, but it also made me

feel like I had the flu (fever, chills, body aches, etc.). I have had chronic

fatigue syndrome which consisted of feeling like I had the flu, so it was

basically a flare-up of this problem

My problem with fish oil, is, I have found out, exceedingly rare, so I

would recommend it to others even though I cant take it

My doctor feels some e sens is a cell membrane problem (neurons are

firing way too much, they are too excitable) and fish oil really helps stabilize

the cell membrane. another way to say this is the threshold for neuronal

firing is way too low.

I should mention that my e sens symptoms are agitation (extreme),

feeeling overwhelmed by sound and light and movement, and insomnia.

Neurontin does something like what fish oil does (raises threshold for

neuronal firing), but for me it is really fatiguing. I do take it anyway,

because I have too.

Mentioned before that stetzer filters are very helpful also.

June 15, 2006

> Very interesting and helpful to read what is helping others.

> I have to say that the number one helpful thing I ever tried, which

> unfortunately I cannot tolerate, was a very high quality, very potent

> fish oil. Anyway, it just about made the e. sens. go away, but it

> also made me feel like I had the flu (fever, chills, body aches, etc.).

Sounds like a detox reaction, meaning that the fish oil is really

good for you, but you need to be very careful about taking low enough

doses so that you can stand taking it. Eventually you should be able

to take a normal dose.

I have also tried a variety of fatty acid supplements -- cod liver oil,

salmon oil, krill oil, flax seed oil, evening primrose oil, borage oil,

olive oil, emu oil, chia seeds, etc. I have noticed that some

definitely

reduce my ES symptoms (e.g, evening primrose), and I have also noticed

that

I can hardly stand taking others (cod liver, chia). So they do seem

relevant to all of this.

I also noticed that eating raw egg yolks helps a lot with my ES

symptoms,

I don't know if this is due to the fatty acids or the lecithin or

something else. But this also caused detox symptoms for me...

Marc

June 15, 2006

Hi, ,

Are you sure that the reaction you were having to fish oil was not one of it

detoxing something? I ask because I have the same symptoms with detoxing and

also was dxed in the past with chronic fatigue syndrome and fibromyalgia. (My

" real " dx tho turned out to be toxic overload and celiac disease without classic

presentation. I do not know whether I actually had " cfids " or " fms " or not. My

personal feeling on this is cfids and fms are actually caused by different

things in different people, but that they are not, in actuality, diseases unto

themselves. But this is just my opinion based on knowing alot of pwcs and pwfms

who have recovered. When I got the celiac disease and other toxins under

control, the cfids/fms abated. When I have accidental glutens or exposures to

other toxins, the cfids and fms can return, depending on how bad the exposure.)

I believe, if my understanding is correct, that fish oil can break down fat

reserves in your body, releasing toxins stored in them. If this is the case for

you, then the reaction you were having was not actually a bad thing, but a good

one. I have to go slowly to release these toxins stored in my fat deposits, to

be sure they do not recycle back into my organs and brain, but get out of my

body. But as I have done this, I have seen better and better health. I

recently had a pesticide exposure, tho, which has set me back abit again. The

reactions I get when I detox my fat are the same symptoms, only more intense, as

my dxed chronic fatigue syndrome and fibromyalgia symptoms.

Hope this is helpful and welcome to the group, btw,

Diane

Inthepresent@... wrote:

Very interesting and helpful to read what is helping others.

I have to say that the number one helpful thing I ever tried, which

unfortunately I cannot tolerate, was a very high quality, very potent fish oil.

I

happened to use one made by Barry Sears company (the guy that developed the

" zone diet " ), but I'm sure there are others that are as good.

Anyway, it just about made the e. sens. go away, but it also made me

feel like I had the flu (fever, chills, body aches, etc.). I have had chronic

fatigue syndrome which consisted of feeling like I had the flu, so it was

basically a flare-up of this problem

My problem with fish oil, is, I have found out, exceedingly rare, so I

would recommend it to others even though I cant take it

My doctor feels some e sens is a cell membrane problem (neurons are

firing way too much, they are too excitable) and fish oil really helps stabilize

the cell membrane. another way to say this is the threshold for neuronal

firing is way too low.

I should mention that my e sens symptoms are agitation (extreme),

feeeling overwhelmed by sound and light and movement, and insomnia.

Neurontin does something like what fish oil does (raises threshold for

neuronal firing), but for me it is really fatiguing. I do take it anyway,

because I have too.

Mentioned before that stetzer filters are very helpful also.

June 15, 2006

Hi again, Marc,

Interesting about eggs being detoxing for you! I agree with what you say here

re finding the right oils for you personally. You mention good success with

primrose oil while I, on the other hand, could not tolerate it added to my

regimen at all. My nutritionist told me that some " 6 " oils can cause stress for

people if in too high a ratio to the others, and I was was apparently one who

reacted to this. I was already taking a 3-6-9 supplement and fish oil. I added

the primrose oil because I have hand tremors and high doses of it are supposed

to help those in some circumstances. It turned out that the primrose worked

great for the tremors but stressed me otherwise. So I quit it and kept the

tremors.

Diane

Marc <marc@...> wrote: